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#i didn’t mean for almost all of these to be from s1 it just sorta happened that way
pray4byron · 3 months
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Can I please request a Lucifer, Vox and Adam x GN! Reader where Lucifer, Vox, Adam becomes a nervous wreck trying to propose to Reader and even at there wedding day as they get themselves ready to step out of there dressing room and do there bows and all :3
what the flip this actually had me getting giddy reading this OFC I WILL WRITE THIS FOR YOU !!
a/n: i’m just doing proposal and wedding hcs so i hope that’s okay!! but they will contain bits of them getting all nervous so dw :)
a/n #2: THIS WAS ACTUALLY SO MUCH FUN TO WRITE TYSM FOR REQUESTING THIS!!!
Warnings: Swearing, potential S1 spoilers(?), mentions of sex (no smut)
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Adam Proposal + Wedding Headcanons
Adam didn’t understand why he was so nervous to propose, he’s ADAM, he’s the fucking man, he’s the OG DICK. Who could say no to him?
Uh.. actually… you could, technically. And he is — believe it or not — sorta scared out of his fucking mind for that outcome, considering he spent all his time with you, he wasn’t sure what his life would turn to if it didn’t go smoothly, but bitch is a risk taker, so ya boi fuckin’ went for it
Adam, with little-no ideas, went super basic, it was the only way he really knew how, he took you out to a fancy restaurant with fancy ass clothes, as a ‘business meeting’
After waiting over and over for the right moment, he realized he was almost out of time, so he popped down onto one knee
“Look, I don’t really understand this whole… proposal bullshit.” Adam started, fidgeting with the ring box in his hand nervously — whilst trying to maintain his cool,
“But I’m gonna do it, cause I’m the fucking man!” He said as he began to regain his confidence, “So, babe, would you make me the happiest man in Heaven and become the fucking one?” He said, pushing out the ring box, with a nervous but genuine toothy grin.
You said yes! Pffft, he called it! He called it.. heh..
He’s actually a lot more invested in wedding planning then you might think!
Just the reception though, the ceremony is ‘boring as fuck’
He will get slightly emotional during the ceremony, not tears or anything, but for one of the first (and realistically last) times, he has a gentle but proud smile on his face as you walk down the isle and you two do your vows.
THEN, that completely changed at the reception, bro goes batshit crazy. He definitely planned to have some bomb ass music and he is either chugging a shot or dancing his fucking heart out to the music.
Whenever talking to people at the reception, he will sit there and shove his wedding band in their fucking face as if they didn’t just watch you get married.
And then you guys go to your honeymoon basically immediately, and once you two get your ass into your hotel, you’re fucking.
That aside though, Lute was Adam’s best man, no questions asked. 😛
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Lucifer Proposal + Wedding
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Lucifer hasn’t had to do this since Lilith, which has its pros and cons.
He’s a little more experienced than the other two, due to the fact that he’s obviously proposed before.
He’s less nervous because of this, but that doesn’t mean he just doesn’t care, cause he really wants this to be special for you, he just doesn’t want you to regret it — whatever your response may be.
He bought a ring for you way before he actually proposed, and he always kept it with him, because he never knew when the right moment would strike
And it came when he least expected it…
It was around 3am, and there was hardly anyone out on the streets, surprisingly, you two were taking a nightly stroll, and you had laughed at something he said, and you just looked so beautiful in the Hellish night sky, he knew, right then and there, you were the one.
You continued to stroll down the street in the bloody red, before realizing Lucifer’s absence from your side, you turn around to see the blonde angel on one knee, with a soft smile and tears pricking in his eyes.
“Y’know, I wasn’t too sure about love after what happened with Lilith..” He started, letting out a small sigh to contain himself before continuing, “And, somehow, someway, you came into my life at the best possible time.” He said, taking a pause, trying to regulate his emotions.
“You found me at my worst, and turned me into my best, and my God, you are the best thing that has ever happened to me.” Lucifer said, combing over some of his blonde locks to the side, as tears continued to well up in his eyes.
“Sweetie, you make me so happy, and you love me, silliness and flaws and all, so my love, would you please do me the honor and allow me to be your husband?”
Yes, he got you duck themed wedding rings. Because why would he not?
He’s very insistent on helping with the wedding planning, you’ve done so much for him, so he wants you to be able to sit back and relax and just be able to enjoy the wedding.
And then he crashes and burns, as he realizes, he doesn’t fucking know how to plan a wedding… So you guys split it half-and-half.
He really wants a winter wedding. On Valentine’s Day. With Valentines colors. Please let him have it. He’s so baby, he really wants it.
During the ceremony, he definitely cries. Not too hard core though, a couple tears and sniffles with a proud, dopey smile across his face.
The reception is a more lowkey version of Adam’s, there’s music and shit, but it’s not like a madhouse in contrast lmao.
Luci does make a point to talk to almost every guest, especially if their your family, cause he wants to get to know them.
Also, if there are kids at your wedding, especially if their your relatives, he loves them. He will let them climb all over him, he’ll fly them around a bit, he’ll play with them. I love the idea of Luci playing with kids.
You guys don’t have a honeymoon, though, he’d rather stay at home and make ducks.
Oh yeah, next topic to tackle is… how does he tell you he wants kids…? And when…?
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Vox Proposal + Wedding
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As much as Vox may say, it’s for business, it’s not. He loves you so much.
Vox wants a lowkey proposal, not a lot of people around, just done and out of the way.
He does it while at a VoxTech event, so the two of you are already dressed up incase some paparazzi come and sneak pictures.
Once he has a bit of spare time, he pulls you out into a private hallway or a balcony, and does his thing. And yes, he glitches
Halfway through your conversation with Velvette, you feel a jerk on your arm and as your being dragged off Velvette gives you two big thumbs up with a toothy grin, while mouthing ‘Goodluck!’ like bitch, the fuck? Good luck for what??
You’re pulled out into the hallway, and shoved into the outside balcony area, you turn after you get your focus back, which is immediately taken away after you see Vox on one knee.
“Dear, zzh— we’ve been through a lot together, ssz— and szzz!- Honestly, it’s not like I even care, szzzz- but, maybe, you’d consider, szz- marrying me?” Vox makes an attempt to proudly hold the ring box to you as he just embarrassed himself, he gives a nervous, toothy, talk show host grin.
Yeah.. Just for business. mhm.
A lot of people are invited to your wedding, it’s fucking Vox, he knows people.
Neither of you plan the wedding, per say, Vox just gets an employee to do all the tedious stuff for you guys and you two give your input when needed.
During the ceremony, Vox doesn’t get emotional, there’s people here who has business deals with, therefore, the show must go on!
But during the reception, when you both have your first dance as spouses, the world for him… goes quiet.
THAT’S when he gets slightly emotional, he leans into your touch and cannot stop whispering to you about how much he fucking loves you.
The reception is a bit more formal, you both go around and talk to guests as Vox does his little host shit, and makes a few business deals.
You guys have a honeymoon, and it’s expensive as FUCK, that was a little surprise for you, he takes you out to the biggest places in all of Hell, only the best for his newly-wedded spouse~
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lou-iz-stat · 1 month
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4 more weeks or 1 month left until the new season starts and I feel like we are currently in the calm before the storm and I am definitely nervous. 😬
This is my rewatch for episode 4 of season 1 and I absolutely adore this episode as shit pretty much hits the fan after this relatively sweet episode. I have a feeling that we won’t have an episode as happy as this one in season 2 so it’s best to enjoy it as much as possible. 😭
Also spoilers for everything!
IWTV S1 E4: The Ruthless Pursuit of Blood With All a Child’s Demanding
This episode starts out with Daniel talking on his phone to I assume his agent for the book he is going to write about this messy vamps. I wonder if this will be important later?
And of course the sleep paralysis demon that is Armand/ Rashid is just standing there.
Some of the lines he says to Daniel are so archaic it’s crazy people didn’t think he was Armand.
But he has the important job of bringing Daniel to Claudia’s old diaries.
Daniel makes a remark about the tree and Armand says something about an architect which I wonder if that will also be someone from the book that we did not know yet.
And he tells Daniel where to start with the dairies but of course he doesn’t listen and starts reading one towards the end. 😂
Now we are finally starting Claudia’s pov
“You were ready to abandon our home. Now you want a third” Lestat was so hurt by Louis leaving :(
In this version it’s Louis that wants Lestat to turn Claudia instead of Lestat just out right baby trapping him. But that doesn’t mean that Lestat turned Claudia without selfish intentions. He knows if he does this for Louis that he will no longer want to abandon him.
God that look on Lestat’s face when he thinks he’s getting a family. ☺️
Also! No secrets my ass!!!
“A funny way of being nice to each other.” They’re gay dear.
When I first watched the pleated skirt line it took me out! They are everything!!! 🤣
Claudia is Lestat’s daughter alright. Claudia said ACAB and that is why she is an icon.
This episode is comedic genius!
I LOVE when Lestat sneaks in Louis’s coffin. It’s so sweet and since it’s from Claudia’s pov we can more objectively see the good parts of their relationship. I’m sure if Louis was telling this part of the story that he might have not mentioned their coffin-sharing almost every night.
I also really adore the scene with Louis and Claudia in the boat. In the book Claudia doesn’t actually know why or how she was made but in the show Louis tells her the truth that it was because of him that she was hurt so bad in the fire. I like that he just tells her outright for how she was made. I also really love that when Claudia asks Louis how love works between two men and Louis makes that adorable face. It gives me butterflies!
After that scene, Daniel takes a break and walks in on Rashid/ Armand praying and he notes that he spoke a language that is from the Crimea which is a call back to the book since Armand’s character is originally from that area in Europe. So I think that they will still incorporate that part of Armand’s background in the show too.
This makes Daniel sorta suspicious of Rashid also because of him referring to Dubai as a ‘child’ Also Daniel’s notes on ‘Rashid’ is so funny.
We go back to the unholy family and they are just having a grand old time just being hella cute~
I wonder if the marquis Lestat mentions at Claudia’s birthday is his dad or his oldest brother? It sucks either way because they got guillotined during the revolution.
Loustat dancing is so sweet~
Movie theatre scene 🥰
Oh shit Mama Du Lac is dead
They look so good in their formation as the leave the wake.
Lestat bringing Claudia to the lovers lane for some dinner isn’t… the best but he is trying to bond with her and he does treat her so sweetly in the scene.
This does awaken something inside her like her sudden need to grow up.
And in her need to grow up she finally meets Charlie as her first love.
In classic vampire fashion Claudia accidentally kills Charlie
And though I hate to admit it Lestat is right when tells his fledglings to stay out of human goings on. He should have just been more sensitive about it when she brought Charlie’s body home.
Louis finally shows back up in the interview! I wonder what was doing other than ‘resting’
Louis so sad about Claudia. 😢
This episode ends so sad and miserable… Poor Claudia 😔
Okay with that ends my s1 episode 4 rewatch.
I am definitely not looking forward to episode 5…. It’s a tough watch but I’ll try to do it next time.
Thanks for reading this! We have only a month left and between this show and another show that is coming out around the same time I am losing my mind but I would have it no other way.
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I’m going to make you share Ianto audio opinions now :D Sorry I know there’s like 9 million of those
Dhhdhdhd you’re all good, everyone needs to know my hot takes on their favorite blorbo that is just A Guy
Fall to Earth: Very good! The beginning of a long saga of Ianto having audios with women who are cooler than him, also he’s a dumbass and Myfanwy has insurance now
Broken: honestly, this one is overhyped in my opinion. It’s still very good, but people scream so much about it and I’m like “…poodle goo”. That said, it is a classic, content warnings for depression and suicide attempt, but it’s really doing its best to establish the janto dynamic behind s1
The Office of Never Was: this one features a darker side of Ianto which is very interesting, but also I barely remember any of the details due to me listening ages ago, but like yeah I think it’s good
The Last Beacon: PEAK GO LISTEN IMMEDIATELY, beloved romp and Ianto-Owen character dynamics
Serenity: definitely my preferred Janto audio, dumbasses in the suburbs, violence and swinging attempts and Ianto just slowly losing his mind (affectionate)
Expectant: okay so this isn’t good. I wouldn’t even necessarily say it’s fun. There’s not even that much Ianto in it. But goddamn there’s something about it, so many things that are mentioned and not explored and there are slippers and whale songs okay (also gross birth noises so be warned)
Dinner and a Show: yes very good! just a good fun romp at the opera with aliens and cheap knock-off Welsh Prosecco
Ex Machina: genuinely such an interesting concept, unreality warning heavy, but I really enjoyed it
Rhys and Ianto’s Execllent Barbecue: oh my god this is literally a masterpiece on grief and masculinity and also there’s a cool time bubble and a guinea pig, mandatory listening
Coffee: fun and painful and just like, a lot of it is kinda basic but when it hits it HITS
The Great Sontaran War: okay genuinely a pretty solid one, goss needs to stop trying to write marginalized people, but there’s a sontaran in a trailer park with a cat named Group Marshal Cat and Ianto is just trying his best, so
The Grey Mare: okay it’s not bad, but it is a pretty basic spooky tale, I heard someone describe it once as a plot that it didn’t have to be Ianto, and that’s pretty fair
Restricted Items Archive Entries 031-049: this is my personal favorite honestly, both for the almost anthology type vibe of all the entries, and because this author Gets Ianto and it’s just so fun and also a bit ouchy as it should be
SUV and The Lincolnshire Poacher: okay, haven’t heard these, but based on vibes poached from my friends, SUV is good, and Lincolnshire Poacher is slowburn Ianto whump and I mean slowburn because he doesn’t show up for a while, so don’t expect him right away, but I’m not gonna write it off
The Torchwood Archive: very good, domestic janto in the most weirdest and in character way honestly, lmao
Outbreak: YES SO GOOD, be warned for a virus plot and scratching noises, but like worth it for all of the vibes, who doesn’t want to have your boyfriend try to murder you because he loves you and your best friend mock you for your shit tie, so good
Believe: okay so his plot is probably the most interesting/best one, but overall it’s really just not that good, not really worth it
Torchwood One: god fuck you Alyssa I forgot about these, okay okay
Before the Fall: technically individual stories, but it’s really more like one big one, Rachel be girlbossing
Machines: Blind Summit is the one for Iantotent, man sorta gets supersoldiered and everyone forgets about it, I personally really like 9 to 5, the premise Bangs. Also the law machines is here, it’s okay I guess
Latter Days: Retirement Plan lets Ianto James Bond it up, Locker 15 is solid, the Rockery isn’t a Ianto story but it is my favorite from the set so 😤
Nightmares: honestly, the best set, both My Guest Tonight (not a Ianto story), and Lola are very solid, LESS MAJESTY IS FARCE AND FUCKING HILARIOUS
TLDR: honestly he doesn’t really have a Bad one, but some are better than others :3
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Voltron Part 26
Time for season 6! Apparently it's the last fully good season, before a mediocre S7 and an absolutely terrible S8. And honestly, I'm kinda excited bout that. Episodes 1+2, let's go:
God, Lance is really bitter about Lotura
Lotor had a Nanny as a kid. Because of course he did. (Btw, I realized who he reminds me of. Nathanial from CXG! [Cue “Who s the new Guy?” ])
Hunk’s gonna get the viewer some good old exposition
Lotor. What do you mean with: “Child raised in the void” ?
OG!Galra Kitty Man is suprisingly still relevant. After S1 I thought that he's never be seen again
Lotor is too possessive towards Allura. He doesn’t want her to fight as part of Voltron, but to instead stay by his side. -> EVIL!
Shiro is hearing voices. That's always a good sign
Space witch is also a Chosen One!
Can Shiro also use space witch as spyware? Or was she just shown to let the viewer know what’s up?
The Galra’s defence shield is just a giant puzzle for 3year olds
Hunk! Yes, you go! My boi!! Show those Galras how it’s done! (I don’t know why, but this scene especially made me laugh hard)
Lance, you’ve had so much growth the last few seasons. Please don’t just be horny for Allura again...
Ironic, how the white lion messed Shiro up
The Allurance!!!
Wait, did Lance legit just die, and Allura revived him. Or was he just passed out?
I kinda expected space witch to walk out with a corpse of a white lion. Would have been a cool visual...
Heeeey, space witch is normal again!
This was a good episode for Hunk-Stans. But now, I just sorta expect him to be completely irrelevant for the rest of the season
I was about to joke that an episode with the word “edge” has to be a Keith episode. Then one of the first shots is his face
Krolia just said so many terms I won’t remember
OMG. Lotura was totally about to kiss. (R.I.P. Allurance)
Lance called himself a third wheel. Gosh, you could almost feel sorry for that boy
Keith, Krolia. Why is neither of you worried about being stranded in space?
Hey! Finally some backstory!
Yurak would have been a great name for Keith
Also: How is Keith’s dad taller than Krolia? Why didn’t Keith inherit any of his parents height genes?
“Glances of the past and the future”. Oh God. It seems like there’s going to be so much Sheith angst. With Shiro being an asshole
(Possibly because he's being controlled by space witch)
I live for Punk making fun of Lance
Krolia basically just told Keith that he was a “happy little accident”
Okay. Allurance really is cute. But it feels sooo one-sided
Oh no. It’s the space wales. Having scrapped this Fandom a little bit before, I know that something controversial(?) is gonna happen
Awwwww, Krolia’s backstory is sad
Gosh. The motifs. Keith “The lone wolf” gets a wolf
Wait. Is Keith’s father dead. Oh Shit!!!!1 All the fanfics where he used to be in an orphanage suddenly make sense!
“It’s been 2 years” EXCUSE ME? IT’S BEEN WHAT?
YOU DON’T JUST DROP A BOMB LIKE THAT!
And now Allura knows that Lance isn’t just horny, but in love!
(Also Did these guys really not look for Keith???? Isn't he supposed to be their friend???? He's been missing for 2 fucking years!!!)
(Are the next episodes going to be angst? Team Voltron searching for him, but not being able to find him?)
The place K&K landed on looks like Allura’s room-thingy
Oh my gosh. They found Sailor Moon. Just when you think this show couldn’t get any more anime
WhY. DiD. ThEy. pUT. SO. MUCH. sTufF. iNtO. tHIs. ePiSoDe???
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Maybe unpopular; but i’ve never really liked the ending of TFS where we play as AJ. The first time i played it i was so upset about Clem ‘dying’ that i couldn’t really enjoy it, it bothers me that they just did that to shock the player. I would much rather see a scene of AJ running back to the school with Clem in the wheelbarrow, and see everyone’s reaction. It just sorta felt like a cop out to me, like the devs and writers didnt wanna write something so emotional and dramatic
But anon..... they couldn’t show the wheelbarrow bit or everyone’s reactions to Clementine missing a leg... if they did that, they couldn’t take the easy route of emotional manipulation and would have to put more time and effort into the ending. 
...Okay, but seriously, I totally feel you. 
Though I will say that I do enjoy playing as AJ at the end. I think that the transition from Clementine to AJ is done well, though I agree that when you’re in that emotional “fuck Clementine is dying” state, it’s hard to enjoy it, y’know? It’s much easier on replay when you know Clem’s gonna be fine and you can focus on the AJ sections themselves. 
But honestly, the last episode is just kind of a mess....
I know that when it was coming to Clementine getting bit and just this whole story in general, they forced a lot of parallels with Lee.... which isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but when you go as far they did over the course of the season, it can come off like they aren’t confident in their abilities to create this story on their own so they have to rely on everyone’s love of S1 by drawing parallels and that’s not great. 
I get it’s fun for us to put screenshots side by side and point like “look it’s like S1! isn’t that neat?” 
In the end that kinda fucked over the ending. I don’t have a problem with Clementine getting bit as the season’s final big thing, or her surviving the bite. However, I agree that not showing anything until she magically shows up all like “What’cha doin’ goofball??” is an easy cop-out. 
They knew that by doing that, they didn’t have to go into the complexities of the characters reacting, especially AJ, Louis, and Violet, or show anything about her recovery process but they would still get that emotional reaction out of the player, y’know? 
Though I’m sure if you asked anyone working on the episode why they didn’t show anything, they would blame the budget, time, and the fact that Telltale literally ate shit on its way down and we should be grateful we got a final episode at all.
Which is fair, but those excuses, no matter how true, don’t automatically make the final episode a perfect conclusion. The final episode isn’t exempt from criticism because Kent or Mary or whoever explained something about the behind-the-scenes. 
The final episode is flawed in many ways-
 It’s waaaay too short, it tosses aside most of its interesting cast that it spent all season developing, does nothing with the season’s big baddie Lilly if she’s alive, does nothing with blind Violet and mute Louis, there is no mourning for dead Tenn/Louis/Violet, it gives us a flashback scene that feels shoved into the story rather than being placed in a more natural place, and gives us an ending that, while a happier conclusion to Clementine’s story, falls flat because suddenly everything is okay. 
Many of these things probably could’ve been fixed with a 5th episode, but since the writers were so confident they could tell the story without it, this was the result and I can’t help but wonder if they second guess that confidence or not. Then again, during the commentaries, they talk about how they nailed the final episode so I doubt it. 
It just feels like a missed opportunity. 
You have a cast of characters that I would argue are the most likable group we’ve been in across all four seasons, but they’re tossed aside because there’s no time. I get the main focus is Clementine and AJ and the progress of their relationship, and that’s fine. I love that, but neglecting your supporting cast isn’t great. 
Especially when it comes to Louis and Violet. Whoever you develop a relationship with becomes the story’s tritagonist, meaning they’re the 3rd most important character. Granted, they get more development than the supporting cast if you bond with them.... but I guess fuck the one you didn’t, huh? 
Violet went through hell on the boat [I know this because Clementine had to tell me because the writers suddenly became incompetent and showed literally nothing with Violet’s garbage cell scene] and now she’s mostly blind from the explosion but she’s fine. No lingering resentment for Clementine, no signs of the mental abuse the writers said she went through, no bother to show any recovery or struggle with her not being able to see. Nope, she’s super okay guys. She and Clementine are friends again. It’s almost like she didn’t punch Clem in the face or that Clem didn’t choke her out. 
Because happy ending. 
Oh and Louis? Yeah, he’s fine. It’s almost like he didn’t go through the traumatic experience of having his tongue cut out of his mouth. Sure he doesn’t talk and he’ll never get to sing again, but he’s fine. No recovery time shown, he has no issues eating, no attempts to show how he’s coping without a voice, or how he feels about Clementine because I guess they’re totally cool now. He’s fine. He’ll get over it. 
Because happy ending. 
Oh, and if they’re dead? We get a shot of their grave but like I guess no one really cares that they’re gone because we never got to see anything and they’re never really mentioned by Clementine or any of the others aside from Tenn and AJ so I guess we’re not supposed to care the 3rd most important character much either. 
Because happy ending. 
So yeah, I could go on and on because no, I don’t believe they nailed the final episode. It’s not terrible, of course, but nailing it would’ve required more time, effort, and the desire to get deeper. So anon, I totally understand where you’re coming from. 
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Makoto plot line by Lêx?
thank you for this totally 100% spontaneous ask that you sent of your own free will, anon!
okay, so here's the thing. i dont like makoto. not really. he's annoying af and basically useless. bitch does nothing but hide behind haru cuz he's scared of everything and be blushy and soft in that spineless way, you know? like he just lets everyone push him around and treats everyone in such an unfuriatingly uniform, fake-cheery, ultra helpful way that it's his whole personality
but here's the thing! it gets sad. you know? especially considering how he, like, seems to basically live to enable haru? in all the worst ways. like it's nice of course that he helps haru with his depression but there's a point when it becomes enabling and that point is when makoto is running after haru all the time trying to solve his messes, remind him of his own damn responsibilities, and basically take care of haru's whole life so he doesn't have to. again, helping is good, but by worrying about the things haru doesn't worry about and preventing him from facing the consequences of not doing anything basically lmao he enables haru to never fucking get out of his constant stupor. also, as previously said, he's spineless, which means that he never truly goes against haru's wishes. so like. enabler. bad
which is my main beef with makoharu, which is actually the most popular ship in the fandom because ppl have no taste and also dont know how to interpret shit. tho tbh even makoharu shippers are like "i ship makoharu because makoto deserves to be happy and he wants haru!" so even they acknowledge that.... haru isn't into him lmao. but anyway
point is: they pull each other back. im not gonna say it's abusive or something cuz i don't think it is, i wouldn't even call it toxic, but it's stale in the worst kind of way. makoto enables not only haruka's depression, but also his self destructive and to some extent relationships destructive behavior, setting his growth back. and makoto lives and exists to take care of haru. he has no dreams, no goals, hell, not even INTERESTS. his whole thing is just. haru. where haru goes, he follows. and. that's it basically
which is why the fact that so many makoto stans ship makoharu is also baffling to me, because if i were a makoto fan, i'd probably hate haru, lmao. i mean, makoto is going around doing all this work for him, plus emotional labor, and haru never gives him much back really. and it's obvious that haru doesn't like makoto the same way makoto likes him, but makoto is just out there taking whatever scraps he can get, and haru just sort of. probably doesn't even notice cuz that's been their dynamic since they were kids. and makoto knows that, too. so like. if i stanned makoto. id fucking hate haru for that tbh
and honestly it's bad writing because i think the writers couldn't care less about makoto lmao and also didn't know what to do with him, which i think becomes increasingly obvious as seasons go by and he's just sort of. there. they tried to give him his own plotlines and even dreams but it never stuck. he feels like a doll most of the time. even in s1, which was widely rinharu-focused and barely had any other characters have real plotlines unless you count the one (1) episode where they try to teach rei how to swim, makoto was particularly uninteresting and underexplored and developed. like, the other characters might not have had huge importance but at least they had personalities. makoto didn't, really, unless you count "mama henning haru" and "being uwu" as a personality
but my point is: what if makoto got some real writing? what if we explored his character, and his relationship with haru, in a more critical, dimensional way?
makoto is in love with haru, i think that's indisputable. haru isn't in love with makoto, which i also think is indisputable. makoto himself knows that what haru has with rin is special and beyond what makoto and haru have, he says that, he even says that he was jealous of rin. yet he stays. even when rin comes back, and haru and rin become friends again, and it's obvious they're going to be together, makoto stays. he takes care of haru, which is some pretty damn stressful work, and does all this emotional labor for him, and haru barely gives him, like, a smile every once in a while, lmao, and again it's sad. but makoto stays. and - that's an important part to me - it doesn't seem to be because he has any hopes that haru will come around. so why
i think they're stuck in a loop, and that makoto has been in love with haru, and being not only his emotional support, but basically the one thread connecting him with the outside world (while simultaneously enabling him to continue as detached from it as he can, because he's not bringing haru out to the world, he's bringing the world to accommodate haru) for so long, he doesn't really know what else to do. also, he feels guilty about leaving haru to his own devices, even if obviously there's nothing he can do if haru won't help himself. also, he's scared of losing him, because he's been defining himself for his relationship with haru for so long, he doesn't know where else to go
i think that's supported by his relationship with other characters. like i said, makoto is annoyingly kind to everyone (if im not mistaken, the name makoto actually does mean kind) and a MASSIVE pushover. he never goes against anyone's wishes. he never really throws in what he wants. he doesn't really interfere with anyone's plans and ideas, he just sorta makes it happen. he is never annoyed, never has any quirks, is never even like, tired, you know? he lives to please other people, to the point where he has no personality, interests, or wishes beyond that
so, yeah: i think makoto is scared that, if he doesn't please other people, there's nothing else left for him. and in a way, he is right, because i don't think he would know what to do with himself if he had to look into himself and figure out what he wants out of life. so it's easier to follow others and dedicate himself to them. also, fear of loneliness is very valid, even if i dont think any of his friends would actually leave him if he weren't being their damn mom all the time. but they also let it happen, especially haru, because it's convenient, and again, homeboy barely has the energy to go to school, much less help makoto unpack all of that
but if i were writing free!, id want to explore that, because it has so much potential to be a pretty damn rich story, actually. especially as the story progresses, because one effect of rin being back and haru running the whole swimming club and trying to prepare for their race is that haru needs makoto less and less as time goes by. because he has a motivation. he cares about his grades because if he doesn't keep them up he won't be allowed to keep working in the swimming club, he cares about teaching the newbie (the rei i mentioned before) how to swim because otherwise they won't be able to run against rin in the medley race, hell, he reforms the whole entire pool that was abandoned so they have a place to train (with help, but like, he couldnt be bothered with getting up to school before). he even goes back to drawing so he can make pamphlets to attract more people to the club
and then he finds his love for swimming again, especially as a team, competitively. he finds his love for people again, for human interaction, for competition and the thrill of the sport he loves. haru finds his motivation, and he starts putting his life back on track and working towards his goals, and haru is damn capable. and that means that makoto has a lot of free time in his hands now, and haru is slipping through them, and he knows he can't really keep their relationship as he was. and he shouldn't, honestly, and i think that he's, at least, smart enough to know this
and he has a crisis, because again, he's been defining himself through haru for the longest goddamn time, im talking all the way from middle to high school here. and he doesn't know who he is. he doesn't know what he wants. he barely knows what he likes
but he's not alone either, because again, makoto is haru's best friend, and haru does like him and it's not like he's all "i found my purpose with rin now. peace out". his journey was also about finding his whole support system with his friends. through relearning how to swim in a team, he also relearned human connection and friendship. that's one of the many beauties of rinharu. they inspired each other to make their lives better, including in ways that have nothing to do with each other, and they weren't even trying to
so he has haru, but in a now radically different dynamic, and also rei and nagisa (his teammates) and gou (rin's sister and also their trainer) (rin and gou don't go to the same school for some reason). and everyone is going through a similar crisis, because it's the last year of high school. rin obviously has known that he wants to be an athlete since he was a kid, but everyone else's plans are kinda sketchy. makoto just happens to have some extra flavor in that mission - he's not just trying to figure out what he wants to do, but who he is
and fuck if i know how that would develop from there, but id really love to see makoto finding himself, honestly. i want to see his issues being addressed. the only backstory we have for him is that he's afraid of the ocean because he almost drowned at some point? i dont remember. i want to know why the fuck he's been repressing his own needs and personality so hard. i want to know what had him so scared of the world that it was easier to forget about himself and basically live through haru. i want to know what he's going to do to find himself, and the very, very painful journey of looking at himself and his own needs, and, in many ways, his own emptiness, because makoto essentially carved himself hollow. i want makoto to have dimension and depth, and be relatable and not just a dumb shell of uwuness for ppl to swoon over and want to protecc, not even because i like him, but because it could be so interesting. and relatable in so many ways. like, god damn it. if you wanna make him one of the main characters, give him a real plotline!
and i want to see him finding out that his life is better when he's a little more detached from haru and not living in an endless pursuit of a relationship, but having a network of people he loves and that has mutual support. i want to see him getting over haru, not so he can have some other romance with someone else, but so he can grow. makoto basically doesn't grow at all the whole show, and it's sad to watch, especially as everyone else grows so much
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do you think we’ll get a juke kiss or are we all setting ourselves up for heartache
HOPE BABE ILYSFM THANK YOU
okay so, this is an excellent question that I’ve casually seen a lot of ppl talk about but hadn’t fully paid attention too much of what they said. I think I should start with what I have seen ppl talk about, which is them being worried about Madison (Julie) being a minor and Charlie (Luke) being like 22 and not wanting her to have to be forced to kiss someone older if she doesn’t want to, especially since they’ve noted how she and Charlie would act all gross out by the thought (but I would also like to point out that they both are Team Juke and her dad is like Juke’s #1 fan.) However, from what I’ve see from Maddie and what she’s talked about, she always has her dad on set and her sister comes there a lot, and it seems like Kenny and the crew treat her really well and give her a great work environment. So it seems that she wouldn’t do anything that she would be uncomfortable with. After all, going back to what I said, she’s mentioned several times that she’s Team Juke and wants them to happen as well. Also, just like today or yesterday she posted (i think on her ig) about a gum (i think spearmint but don’t quote me on this) giving her great gum to help her in juke kissing scenes and she was gonna give it to charlie so that take as you will lol. Also, I think they all knew what they were getting into when they were casted (since they’re the main ship i can see them having a chemistry read with each other during auditions) since the Juke ship is pretty obviously a big ship in s1 (I mean they literally wrote Perfect Harmony and wanted Juke to have an epic Troy and Gabriella- eques dance and Charlie was the one who suggestion that Luke’s guitar sing to Julie so...). My conclusion? They’re both professional actors and I think they’d both be professional and okay with it, but if they’re not then I can see the show respect their wishes and do something for juke that is still natural and explores their epic romantic relationship, maybe even another epic song/dance.
Okay, now that that long explanation is out of the way, we’re gonna go with the idea that they’re both cool with it and go from there. 
Okay, tbh when I first saw the show and the final scene where they finally get to touch and they’re looking all loving into each other’s eyes with their hands placed all lovingly on each other’s faces, I totally thought that they were gonna kiss! (same goes with the last Willex scene). It makes sense that they didn’t tho since a lot was going on and Alex and Reggie were right there. But, what seems like their newfound abilities where Julie can now touch them (which means more hugs yay!!), they can actually kiss now. Yay! Which begs the question, what does this mean for their relationship since that’s now an option?
As a sidenote, tbh if it wasn’t for Luke dying bc of Caleb’s spell, i think that porch scene would’ve ended with them making their ‘interesting little relationship’ official since the episode started with Julie turning down Nick (her big crush that she had in the beginning of the season who she preseries seemed to be on crushing on forever and is an actual lifer like her) bc she didn’t think that it was fair to him since she had feelings for Luke even though she thought that nothing could happen bc of it. And then you see you her go to Luke’s parent’s house to give them Unsaid Emily bc she just wants to help him feel better bc she knows how badly that he’s hurting. And then the way he tries to hold her hand, forgetting for a moment that they can’t touch, but then says, “This is an interesting little relationship you and I have.” And they’re both so adorable looking at each other when the other isn’t looking. Also, when he said ‘there’s something I have to tell you” the way Julie was sorta standing up and down on her tippy toes and sorta looked like she was anticipating something, I feel like she was expecting Luke to officially say something about him liking her. I really think that without him dying and having to focus on trying to crossover, they might’ve started some sort of relationship even though it would’ve been different. (again she could’ve started one with Nick but refused bc she liked Luke). And that was when they couldn’t even touch. Although of course you can have a relationship without touching, from what we’ve seen between Julie and Luke, it looks like they craved each other’s touch i.e. all of her looks in Perfect Harmony and back to that porch scene where they forgot that they couldn’t touch and wanted to hold each other’s hands and the way that they looked at each other’s lips at the end of Edge of Great. So I think it’s save to say that they did wish that they could touch. 
Which leads me back to the end, where they can touch and don’t have to worry about him crossing over any time soon (since it looks like the boys will wanna stick around for a while and not look for their unfinished business anytime soon since they’d want to continue on their music career). So, with The Phantoms not going anywhere anytime soon, and all that had happened with Juke prior to that, I think it wouldn’t take long for them to try to start something, unless something stood between them. Which seems like caleb!nick could in fact put a wedge between them (especially since Nick was there to give her flowers and ‘fight for her’ as Caleb said). But even without that that wedge, I’m still kinda unsure of if Juke would officially admit their feelings to each other right after that night, or still kinda have it sorta linger in the air. 
Either way, whether they do get together pretty quickly or take their time bc of outside and internal obstacles (i.e. Nick and their own inner worries of not being sure if a lifer/ghost relationship would work) I think the show will take their time with a kiss. There’s a lot of Troyella parallels for Juke, and I can see them pull a troyella where we get almost kisses and but always get interrupted (i.e. HSM 2) up until A Big Epic Moment™ toward the end. I mean in a way, we already got something similar to that when they wanted to hold hands back in the porch scene but their hands went through bc he’s...you know...a ghost. So since we already had a scene in that similar vain, I can totally see that happening. Especially since this ship is already so agonizing like that. 
But back to your original point, I think (if the actors are okay with it ofc) we will get a kiss. Whether it’s s2 or another, I completely believe that we’re gonna get a kiss at some point. So I don’t think our hearst will break on that front (although that is valid concern given our track record with ships). However, there is also the big question of whether or not they end up together, since he is after all still a ghost (unless him and the boys become alive again at like the end which i really want to happen). But that’s a whole question for another post, and this is already super long. 
In conclusion, if the actors are okay with it, then I really think that we’re gonna get a Juke kiss (and hopefully Willex too), but I also think that they might torture us with it before it happens. 
Anyways, sorry this is so freaking long and probably doesn’t make any sense. But thank you so much Hope!! ILSYFM BABE and I absolutely LOVE talking Juke with you!! 
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There was no reason for Station 19 to go that hard on all fronts, but wow they did. I honestly watched S1+2 mostly out of habit, but S3 was like cleaning house, setting everybody up as a character with their personal flashback gave them far more layers and now I truly care. Thanks. Well, and then Grey’s happened and I cried for like half the episode...........
Maya and Jack have definitely profitted the most from the shift in tone and the character development overhaul. And I liked both their storylines. Maya dealing with all that crap from her father and coming to terms with why she maybe isn’t 100% ready for this very steady relationship and sharing all her emotions was great. Can she tell Carina everything she told Andy? In almost exactly this way, please? Because being afraid of slipping and finding these moments and naming what she has trouble with adjusting to - that is all good. And Carina is one of the most compassionate and patient people (from the limited scenes we have had with her over the years). Dear Maya, if you communicate, she will be there for you.
And wow, Carina than talking about her home and her own fears. Magnificent. Early days of covid? All the horrible, horrible news from Italy come to mind. So thanks writers for building that international bridge. (I wonder how any Italian tv shows that will incorporate the pandemic will deal with this. Every country has their very unique story in this.)
Of course we will see nice side characters getting covid and probably die. Gonna keep my fingers crossed for Marsha nonetheless. Jack having this make-shift family did wonders for his character and I don’t want him to take a blow. It’s a found family on the side, not bound by trade and I like it. I love that thanks to Marcus the masks with plastic windows were mentioned (even tying back to Dr. Riley’s visit to Grey-Sloan. Good job.
Well, Miller and Sullivan. That all happened. And I am exactly 0% qualified to discuss the issues raised. I do empathise with Sullivan a bit more (not that I dismiss Miller’s points, because like Sullivan and Warren say, he is right). Because I absolutely hate this thing were being part of a (minority) group makes you the spokesperson and you get judged far more harshly. And then also taking in-group crap about it. Yes, it is how the world is. But it’s unfair. (And tbh luckily Sullivan hurt mostly himself and he did stand up and face any consequence coming his way. And yes, he was the kind of person to always tell everybody else to better not make mistakes *blablabla* and look, he fell down that high horse... I do think that is something Miller pointed out very rightfully.)
Glad Travis talked to his dad. And I do like the way he did. Just letting him know he knows and leaving that door open. His breakdown about how the church/religion is letting gay people down, while so many sins are just forgiven... damn. Hard to watch. And if just one viewer watching suddenly went like “huh, fucked up”, it was worth it.
Vic is the unsung hero of this episode. I loved how she kept defending that drugged up dude. Yes, he is stupid and it’s horrifying that he stays with his obviously abusive wife, but also keeps drugs around and just... lives like this. But she kept talking about how he didn’t mean to hurt anybody else and that he needed help far more than punishment. Travis and Vic are both good people, but in that situation I think most of us would react more like Travis. Being annoyed, mouthing back and wanting those two shut the fuck up. It’s a normal reaction. What Vic said is the harder choice. And it felt like there was an untold story there.
Okay, wow, much to say about Station 19 for once. But oh boy, Grey’s...........
I remember the “early” episodes we met Bailey’s father. And then we barely talked about her parents. They were somewhere in the background. Until in “(Don’t) Fear the Reaper” we met her mom, got that whole thing with her dead sister and got this picture of her early home life. It was really good. And last week her parents get mentioned again, because hey, elderly people. AND NOW THEY TELL US HER MOM HAD ALZHEIMER’S AND THEN SHE DIED............................................................... it was so fucking heartbreaking start to finish.
And I love all the quiet scenes we got out of this that are just so human. Sad and human. Bailey talking to Meredith, saying she misses her and relating to the whole seeing your mom withering away (so dying twice in a way). I like the use of the beach, because Meredith is semi-conscious, she hears it all, but she just can’t wake up long enough. And then Maggie and Bailey on that bench.
Two people sitting on a bench, talking. Nothing special happens. They don’t need to distract by having them in a busy hallway or somethng. It’s a whole ass conversation with no shorthand. Showing all the emotions. Having Maggie go back to that time her mother died and how she views it all in a different light now. Talking about dying with dignity. Chandra Wilson was so good in this scene. (Her best performance to me will probably always be when Charles died in front of those elevators, I can cry just thinking about that.) And she was allowed such a variety of feelings. And the pain of it all brings up joyful memories. Thanks so much for that hilarity that her scholarship came from the fucking Daughters of the Revolution. HA!
I don’t get people who still watch Grey’s and the relationship drama is the thing they care most about. This is what I’m here for first - the personal lives and relating to all these emotions (and also the mistakes and the way to do better next time).
Well, at least Tom got better quick, I guess. Nice way to give Amelia a reason to get to work for a day and thus have her confronting Teddy. Look, I am done with storylines involving cheating and all. Teddy as a character is often hard to like. But the way she is isolated and like the most contact she has is with DeLuca when he updates her on Meredith’s vitals... it’s harsh. And I liked that Amelia can talk to her without making her feel more terrible. And then I did like Teddy talking to Tom, who was his charming self in the end. Bonuspoints for mentioning that the kids are with Owen’s mom. And hey, I give this to Owen, I believe this must be hard for him, because being a dad is the biggest deal for him. Actually something to make him more likeable - if handled correctly - and this situation sucks for him as well.
Which brings me to Link. Who was left at the Grey home. With Zola, Bailey, Ellis and Scout. Wow. Who would have thought? Amelia’s pregnancy was a good thing, I guess, to give them the excuse of baby time and also Link sorta moving in to deal with all the kids. (Shipping all of them off to their own living Grandma isn’t an option. lol ) Link is a good dude. So please, okay, it was news to him, no need to hate on Tom, push through the irritation, Link! Ahahahahaha.
Jackson being so nervous about his mom being a bit too proud to always keep her mask on - wonderful. Sure, she’s a doctor, she’s also stubborn and he was so scared of losing her not that long ago. Family drama everywhere! I always like seeing Jackson and Webber together. And then they had another big talk, hammering home the fact that people are affected differently. That it’s worse for poor people and not by accident, but systemic problems, most of them are PoCs. So many black and brown patients dying left and right, and it’s clear where the problem starts... I do believe for some viewers this is actually news, because the “news media” they consume won’t talk about that.
So, well, and then there is the Jo of it all. OMG where do I even start? Now, first off, Levi and Jo living together is still hilarious and thanks so much for getting two scenes at the loft. Especially that first one with Levi pretty much pushing her out of bed. Now, I do want Levi to talk to his mom, I desperately need to know how things are. I’m sure the pandemic has shed some new light on what’s important. Second I’m also glad Levi is with Jo, so she is not alone, which makes it harder for her to fall into really bad habits and down that depression hole.
I kinda freaked out seeing Val again and was sure she’s gonna die (might still happen aaaaah). They have a tendency to kill the nice ladies. Still haven’t forgiven Grey’s for killing CeCe. So it was cool that the surgery was a success and wow, did I love when Jo sent Levi out to just listen to Val and connect. And then the baby delivery happened and....... what is going on? Jo even just casually thinking about switching specialties? TO OB?????????? WHAT?????? Dear writers, you dropped the ball on her entire medical journey so often, giving her a bonkers fellowship, having her residency take way too long and shoving her into general, because oops no mentor or anything. And now you give me this? Please, so this is how I would accept this as a set-up for an actual carthartic moment:
Let Jo stalk Carina, play out this thought “what if this thing that made me happy for a day is the thing I am supposed to do longer”. And then let her have joyous moments, but also something complicated, and finally a very distressed woman in labor. And Jo feels for the woman, is compassionate and all and when the baby is there, the woman struggles to connect. And this joyous second is withheld from Jo. And boom, full circle, this woman feels like shit for not loving that baby instantly, for the feeling of resentment and being out of her mind. And finally Jo can forvige Vicki. And that’s the end of that particular journey.
I mean we all pretend that we have forgotten that time Jo stole a baby, right? Because that was the S16 hiatus and there was a storyline set in motion that blew up with Justin leaving like that. And we have had Jo interacting with babies and new moms so often over the course of the show. While also staiting that Jo’s self-worth is tied to being in an OR, which is also her safe space. So this whole thing...
Sometimes it’s easy to forget that Addison was the attending OB/GYN once upon a time. (”I’m being stalked by pregnant women!” “You are an obstetrician.”) She was also a fetal surgeon, which was what Arizona eventually became. So it’s not like when Meredith wore pink scrubs for a few weeks and got made fun of. There could be a long interesting road that eventually does include  surgeries. But it’s just so....... dumb. In a way. Especially with Jo having so many issues. And the writers - who give out pregnancies and babies like halloween candy - constantly skipping a potential Jolex-as-parents-storyline.... which kinda bites them in the ass now. ugh F R U S T R A T I O N......... I could write a five page essay just about Jo so far this season, I’m sorry. (Also if I ever have to see Jo in pink scrubs, a part of my brain will explode thinking back to Jason for sure.............)
Oh, and then there was Ben Warren. Just existing. Being a good man. Thanks. :3
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I totally agree with you. They made it looked like Raquel is just a hindrance on the plans of Professor. Without her, the story most likely will just stay the same. So much hateee. Raquel can do better!!! Where the fuck is Raquel Murillo!!!!
Didn’t they just???
Apart from all the problematic issues with her being involved in the heist... they really made her the hindrance.
Firstly, I don’t understand the whole point of them not being in Madrid. Because, Sergio had to be there in s1&2, just in case things went wrong, especially with cars, evidence, ya know all the little bits. I understand there are no protocols to check outside a given area... wouldn’t it make more sense to play it the other way around? To make police think they’re in, say, Barcelona, “because there are no protocols to check outside given area”; which would make the police think they’re really clever, as they’ve figured out that the professor is trying to base himself elsewhere. Why not have Marsella riding that bike around another large city....?
Because you see, I’d understand if that actually was a crucial part; they could by no means be in Madrid... but all of s4 was based in Madrid, yet no one bothered to look there (well apart from Alicia who tracked him from cctv cameras.... like give this woman a raise! But that would also assume Sergio is stupid enough to drive straight to his “secret hideout”, rather than leave the car say a few streets away and walking........ he is really down to his last brain cell, isn’t he??? Or the writers are lmao) so it seems a bit pointless to be as far away from the heist, especially, since like, Sergio hasn’t been caught in Madrid (well by the teams of thousands looking for him, since now they’ve even got a trail to follow) and as this amazing technique of being further away got them caught a lot faster? Wouldn’t it be better to start off in Madrid and run if they got caught there? Still being able to direct the heist but not from the comfort of a nearby location? Didn’t it sorta look like they were trying to catch them? 
It leaves a few plot holes, ya know... the whole epicenter plan (oh I was perhaps distracted when first hearing it lmaoo ;D) ---- that assumes they’re caught in a forest tho (?) - what if the got tracked an hour before on the beach...??? It seemed the plot was written for the action, rather than the action for the plot - all the things that were planned in s1&2 were only for inside the mint (!!!!) and all the things outside of the heist - the really stressful bits of Sergio threatening Russians etc. - were improvised, because they were fully aware that otherwise it would seem so unnatural; they weren’t protocol things that could be planned or predicted. I know now things have changed etc. but this amazing idea with the location was meant to solve all their issues. The plan of ‘in case they got caught’ was so ugh because it was clearly not written as a response to the situation, but almost in order to cause the situation. It would have made more sense to not have the epicenter plan, as it would’ve looked as if they didn’t expect to be caught in the middle of a forest lmao Sergio is a genius of improvisation, not a psychic (!!!!) It would have been amazing if they were in that ambulance and Sergio was like “think, think, think; a tree!! omg we gonna fool them wifey”. Not.... a few months before; “they’re not gonna catch us...... but if they do, it’ll defo be in a forest - I can sense it!!” --- plan epicenter on the beach --- “okay Raquel, you’re gonna bury yourself in the sand and hope the dogs don’t dig you up”; I mean, they couldn’t have predicted that, which made it so obvious (now looking back) that they planned Raquel to be a hindrance, rather than something actually going wrong causing a genuine, unplanned, improvised reaction (...not to mention --- let her climb the motherfucking tree, you cowards!!!!!) Nah, but seriously, it looked as if the only thing that Sergio calculated was that she would be a hindrance lmaooo 
So, the million dollar question; why not keep them locked up in that abandoned warehouse whilst Marsella flies from one city to another confusing the police? Because the implications of Sergio happily doing all the shit from his secret non moving base in Madrid, are that the police aren’t able to track him. At all. Despite still negotiating? Even without having Marsella cycling around all the time. Also despite having constant gatherings of Serbian, I assume, criminals, mafia.... Imagine if the police is tracking one of the people Sergio hires anyhow, for like, idk drug trafficking- and they break into Sergio’s hide out thinking they’ve managed to find some drug den.... but to their disappointment it’s just Sergio lmao
The point being, I think they wanted to write it for action rather than plot. Having Raquel and Sergio back in a s1&2 type set up, could possibly be seen as repetitive, viewer wise.... WHich I think is just laziness; they’d have to write some conflict scenes, delve into more detail. We only got, what, one, two scenes of Raquel and Sergio both negotiating.... wouldn’t it have been more fun to continue this? Have Alicia slide in more and more personal details of Raquel’s life; legit doing her tent interview with Raquel over the phone? Imagine her calling him a nut job, saying something like, “he could’ve been trying to kill your family for all you know...” and Raquel just rolling her eyes and hanging up ---- to see a very very distressed Sergio lmaooo 
I know they’re the lead couple but let’s not be afraid of well written conflict, for the sake of sorting some shit out -- I love them, but for the sake of poor Raquel, let them be together as they are, not as what they think they are. Let’s forget about the glory for a second. In s1&2 everyone loved them because they were able to overcome the fact that they’re on different sides; this time, instead of writing them as madly in love, let’s take a step to tackle them as characters who make their bond stronger by accepting their weaknesses ~ give Sergio his ‘Imma kill this old woman and man who just woke up from a coma to make sure they don’t fuck up the plan’ attitude back; Gandia should be dead! The rule was ‘no killing of innocent kids so the public opinion doesn’t push the police to enter’, not ‘let’s not kill this guy who is a government trained assassin so amnesty international considers me as their next president’ lmaooo PLS let them be themselves, and MAKE them deal with them ‘being themselves’. Raquel is the goodie goodie and Sergio is the wanna be goodie goodie - or goodie for the show - Make him make some radical decisions; make Raquel question them; MAKE her be his voice of reason. (like in s3, when she questioned the Rio/Tokyo thing; that one argument was as far as they were willing to take it, but at least they tried). Make an interesting conflict by making Alicia try to prove to Raquel, that Sergio is who he is, and Sergio not doing anything in his favour to prove the contrary. Make Raquel realise that there is a lot of truth in what Alicia is saying; if she is going to love him, it should depend on her making this informed decision of loving him as he is. 
Instead of one big argument, gradually build it up. It seemed like they wanted to shove everything into that scene; little by little, and lets not get them all so upset and shout some dramatic lines at each other ya know. Instead of the “I thought we were in love...” -- my wonderful negotiator wouldn't go there omg, let her @@@@ himmm; “shut the fuck up, you ain’t gonna get anywhere with those umbrella statements, because tell me again, what did you beat me at?”, “Didn’t tell me to come along??? Well, you didn’t fucking stop me either.”, “Now, we’ve reached the conclusion that I beat you and you didn’t give enough of a shit about me to stop me from coming as vengeance was so much more important you didn’t think you could lose your new family; go the fuck back in and tell Tokyo to not fucking do that to the boy.” LETS NOT BE AFRAID OF MAKING SERGIO THE BAD GUY AND HAVE RAQUEL PUT HIM IN HIS PLACE. Like she put the people in the police tent in their place, a countless amount of times, especially in terms of her ex etc. The “you’re my first love” thing was cute, but it seemed like throwing words at the wind and turning the issue around; “you’re right, I’m sorry, I was so obsessed thinking about my brother I didn’t realise how much I was hurting you, you’re right about the whole Tokyo thing too” etc..... constructive relationship building; apologising for the actual thing, rather than avoiding a conversation about it and blaming ones behavior on ‘being new to the situation’ (that’s a red flag, no? A lil.....) character progress, still having fierce Raquel who isn’t just gonna let Sergio put her down like that, considering she is risking her life for him, meaning she ought to get some say........
Because the lines Alicia says have a lot of truth in them, especially for an audience who is aware of everything; Raquel denying them or saying some stupid comments really makes her seem idk sometimes even stupid. Like babe, he was going to kill your mother and best friend and now he is risking your life, shut the fuck up. Of course, it is not in bad intention, but Sergio’s manner of loving is a very selfish one. Let her acknowledge this. Don’t be afraid of writing her as a strong character who isn’t afraid of loving someone despite their flaws, because deep down she knows he loves her, and it’s okay for it not to be perfect. Because not allowing her to see this, makes her seem like she is so blindly in love with him; it really fucks up the characterisation. 
... because without this, she is stripped of her very strong characterisation, and simply reduced to a love interest. But the show seems so be so fucking in love with the professor they are afraid to give him this edge he had before. Because sorting Raquel’s character out would require them to write Sergio as the maniac obsessed with his plan rather than the next president of Amnesty International lmao  
I had another three paragraphs about the plan etc. but imma put them in a different ask, so enjoy this wonderful Milan Kundera quote instead; 
“Love is by definition an unmerited gift; being loved without meriting it is the very proof of real love. If a woman tells me: I love you because you're intelligent, because you're decent, because you buy me gifts, because you don't chase women, because you do the dishes, then I'm disappointed; such love seems a rather self-interested business. How much finer it is to hear: I'm crazy about you even though you're neither intelligent nor decent, even though you're a liar, an egotist, a bastard.”
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I cannot wait to read the stories you write for Sheridan and Warren & Dency! I can feel the love you put into them. They feel for realistic and I wish they were canon!! 😭 how do you think Dency would be if she ever got to meet the bros? (As they’re like the best non-canon characters ever?) Also, Dency has only one friend in magic school? Poor Dency :( For some reason, when I read your little Dency holiday headcanons I could totally see he being a teacher at magic school?? ✨✨
i think a dency/warren/sheridan team up would easily be one of The most chaotic things to ever rock the magical community both are the first borns of their respective generations so both are pretty power loaded But one of them is really knowledgeable in the magical and how it all works and all that and the others were raised by a guy who has frosted tips. i my writings warren and sheridan were not like raised with really any magic they were given a spell to unbind their powers but everything else was just a sorta figure it out of your own thing i think with their active power it was really just like a figuring out what works at what doesn’t like that was p self explanatory and when it comes to like everything else. they just fuckin. try things. see what sticks. as i think i’ve mentioned before sheridan’s in a band that’s his thing and the lead singer / his friend is like a witch practitioner who does not know magic is actually real in fact okay so the majority of people in the band are witches that’s their shtick sheridan pretends not to be bc well they’re all practitioners he doesn’t want to do anything they do but then have you know actual magic happen so he’s like yeah hahaha i don’t believe in magic / i don’t wanna practice magic but basically every single spell they know they’ve learned from sheridan’s friend or alternately warren looking it up on youtube or like indie witch blogs and they work that’s undeniable but they are kinda hack jobs and like they’ll make their own potions and stuff using the knowledge they have but like. like they’ll microwave potions. they have no access to magical ingredients. they’re definitely not operating at full potential. that being said i do think a large part of magic is the intent behind it so like they’re no good at spells or writing them nor do they have the power of three but they’re still p powerful witches and everything they do they do with their chest so like it works. dency on the other hand is a magic whiz so i think in that team up like when it’s time to make a potion they’d be making it either at dency’s apartment or in magic school and i think the twins would like socks: knocked off like they had no idea how powerful magic could be and just how powerful they are like in general. i also think they’d both be pretty hyped to be related to the antichrist bc like that’s kinda cool as hell (they also definitely have no the source is/was who cole was they’re not even aware of the charmed ones so dency does her best to explain in layman’s terms the antichrist part was about the only piece of information they retained). i also think like dency grew up with the charmed ones she also grew up hearing stories of her namesake and also being raised by a cupid like she really feels and understands all the love in between the halliwells so i think she’d really be like the one to introduce w&s to you know their magical side like bust out a photo album of prue and tell them the stories she knows of her both warren and sheridan have premonition i think like very limited occasional retrocognition but i think like when you know learning about their mom and seeing all their personal items of her they would get a flashback maybe even like a prue highlight reel and uhh they don’t cry often they’re too glib for that but um yowch :’) i also think dency would help them start their own book of shadows i think dency has one of her own that she made with her roommate it’s leather bound but probably has like witchcraft for sexy bitches!!!! embossed on the cover bc it’s not meant to be an heirloom it’s just something for the two of them that dency will later add to the halliwell book of shadows. (a note on dency’s roommate bc idk if i’ve mentioned her before her name is dove she’s an only child and she comes from like a really rich family who lives in marin county right across the bridge she’s probably from like ross or something and she has no active powers. she can scry she can make potions she can cast spells she was the standard mediumship but she has absolutely no active powers. her parents also have no magic and presumably neither does her grandparents in fact there seems to be zero magic in her bloodline at all and yet here she is, a witch. and everyone sorta thought she was a late bloomer at first and dove like really really wanted to have an active power like she tried So Hard and yet nothing. so i think her andy dency both sorta bonded from being the outcasts in magic school and that’s why they became homies i think they both received the nicknames of dud and devil initially to bully them but they ended up just calling each other that people also stopped calling them mean names after someone called dency devil in the third grade and dove bit them and the whole thing develoved into a lord of the flies magical battle to the death between eight year olds. both dove and dency got suspended for a month, in that month the charmed ones still trained dency from home and dency begged them to bring over dove and train her too bc she only got suspended bc she was defending dency so that really solidified their relationship. the book that they share is really more of dove’s creation tho bc dency is very dyslexic and cannot spell and dove’s a bit of a control freak. the book also does not look like the halliwell BoS bc dove really tries to make the text as legible as possible so dency can read it when she’s not around. their book definitely looks like a bujo.) but that’s not the point the point is dency like helps warren & sheridan build their own book of shadows they were vaguely aware of the concept as the lead singer friend has a bos that she made in like a moleskine notebook however these guys tend to just keep all the information they need in their notes app. but yeah i think these guys would also just really love having someone to Talk To about magic especially someone who they can just like Ask Questions without having to dodge any language or make things seem less specific i do think they also know dency’s probably more powerful that them maybe not by raw power but she’s definitely a more skilled witch than them And Yet In Spite Of That they’re still two years older that her and do sorta shift into big brother mode (a setting they didn’t even know they had!) whenever it seems like dency’s gonna do something really dangerous like these guys were born in 2000 and dency’s in 2002 and it’s really barely a split but like still!! watch out!!!! which dency finds hilarious and tbh they find pretty funny too bc they’re not like great role models (well, sheridan isn’t, warren is studying to be a teacher for like elementary school (or he’s studying hotel management bc i think that’s be funny) so warren does seem more professional/responsible he has less tattoos than is brother but that’s definitely a con bc he is just a stupid and reckless as his twin) but yeah they like really try to fill their Responsible Shoes and be Big Brothers to dency. and then i guess since i’ve brought up teaching here i will answer your final part about dency and teaching i think the halliwells really run magic school i have said in a post many moons back lemme see if i can find it yeah no i can’t okay so i think in ye olden days the elders decided that they need to make magical schools to bring in young witches and train them in powers of good so like every elder at the time picked a location like a source of power and made their own school and the majority of them are named after their founders however i think the elder who made magic school was the captain holt of the elders which is why magic school is entirely beige and called “magic school”. i think he didn’t believe in naming the schools after the elders bc the point is not to glorify the elders to point is to uphold and train good magic. anyways that mentality faded i do think gideon ran magic school for a good chunk of time but did not exceed the amount of time the founder ran it so it was never like His magic school but i think once the charmed ones came along they really started making changes and making it practical something gideon did not do bc he’s an idiot (i’ll tell you what i will link the funniest ask i’ve ever received) and i think you know paige starts recruiting witches especially those without connection to magic to come and learn at magic school and since the charmed ones frequent it so much i do think a lot of witches who might have gone somewhere else or to a more local magic school do try to get into magic school and i think in the magical community is does end up getting dubbed like halliwell academy or even charm school where like almost no one calls in magic school anymore and if they were to get school hoodies it would say like halliwell academy on it. i think piper finds it all embarrassing i think grams does not shut up about it. so yeah i think magic school really is a part of the warren line at this point i think i could definitely see gen2 take up the mantle out of everyone i think most likely to be a professor would be henry jr. i think wyatt would guest lecture i think peyton also has a high potential in regards to dency specifically i’ll tell you what i’d love to see is okay. demons warlocks darklighters they don’t play by the same rules as light magic like “forbidden love” all that fuck that everything’s forbidden what’s an outside relationship to them and we’ve seen in the show like with the manticore baby and even in s1 i’m like 90% sure that darklighter goal was just to knock up daisy the point i’m getting at is a i think there are a lot of kids born of dark magic who just have no clue who or what they are especially if they are raised away from their magical parent and people like paige can’t find them bc they don’t get whitelighters bc they’re not witches but i think having dency find them and like bring you know the children of dark magic to learn i think that’d be a really cool thing i think it’d be a major controversy bc a lot of families would be extremely hesitant like opening up their vast wealth of knowledge to y’know evil beings and yeah i think it’s be fuckin weird if you were born half-demon and find a vanquishing potion for yourself in your textbook like ouch! but i think it’d be really interesting to do. that being said i think i’d slate that for later in life for dency where i have her at now she’s an investigative journalist (also elise is her godmother fun fact) and i think i’d really want to give her a lot of growth and knowledge before she does that But i think it’s be really cool to do
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I got another lyric breakdown >:)). It’s a kinda happy song but I’m gonna use it in 2 ways. 2 sad ways. One involves Alex not related to my Hades idea,,and one that relates to Hades and my Hades idea that I’ve @’ed(??? is that how you would spell it lol? like atted) you at too many times dnwbdb. The song is “This Town,” by Niall Horan. It’s a good song but I like this cover. It’s so good and uGH EMOTIONS! And before I start, idk how Hades is in Astraeus’s route, but I believe that he is like Hades in his own route sorta?? I basically took that and ran with it. AND THIS IS RLLY LONG BTW SORRY FNFJBIWF.
EDIT: SORRY ONE MORE THING TO ADD! I skipped some lyrics since they repeat themselves. Like the “and I wanna tell you everything...” part repeats itself and such so I decided to skip that :))).
“Waking up to kiss you and nobodies there. The smell of your perfume still stuck in the air...”.
In Alex’s route, MC dies (from literally any dangerous situation she’s in,,,which is a lot) and Alex used to always wake up with MC in their arms. They would look at her for a few moments and then kiss her softly, which always caused her to wake up. She’d smile at them and they’d smile back...but now they can’t do that. They’re alone in the bed, they can’t look at MC, they can’t feel her, nothing. To make it worse, they still smell her perfume in the air. It’s like how in Hydras season 1 pov, he was in his hideout and said he didn’t know why he came back here since wherever he looks...he’s reminded of MC,,,and when he lays on the bed he says its a mistake because it smells just like her. And the same goes for Alex...they smell her everywhere and it hurts.
And then its almost the same for Hades. Whether it be my idea of when she’s gone with Alex, or if she died during the Hera process in Astraeus’s route (ik they didn’t do the Hera ritual, but in this context they did. Mentioned Astraeus since I mean the Hades in Astraeus’ route-), he knew this was going to hurt. He knew giving her up would hurt. He knew it. And now he had to experience it. He’d wake up (not even knowing how he fell asleep in the first place) and in the grogginess of sleep, he’d expect to see MC, and when he doesn’t he panics. He’s pushed back into that state he was in his s1 pov when he LITERALLY RAN UP THE STAIRS TO HER APARTMENT!!
 But the panic subsides when he remembers what happened. MC is gone. She isn’t with him anymore. She’s not with anyone. Only her mother in the Underworld. And he gets emotional, but calms down. “I have to. I’m a God,” he would tell himself. Told himself that he is a shadow, meant to feel nothing and almost be nothing. But when he goes to his closet, he sees her clothes. Well, he smells them first. He opens the door and her perfume is sent straight out. He only just then noticed she had so many dresses. Dresses he has memories of her wearing, memories of where she was always holding his arm or hand. The ones where they’d come home and say “I love you” to each other. 
“Yesterday I thought I saw your shadow running around.”
Whenever Alex entered the apartment, they swear they would see MC...or maybe just a memory of her. Its like in their season 2 when she left and came back and how they said “You’re real, right?” LIKE HNNG ALEX!! But the flash never lasts, she’s always gone and they miss seeing her in the apartment, hearing her welcome them home, or even her coming home with them. It hurt so bad,,but they’ll take the memories since it’s better than never have being with her at all.
With Hades, he has a ton of memories with her on Olympus since he is a Top Tier God. If he wasn’t paying attention and stuck in his head when he’s walking, he’d swear he sees a figure walking in front of him but kinda to the side of him, and when he snaps out of his stare, it’s gone. No one was there. And then sometimes he’d see two people there. One taller than the other figure, the other shorter figure trying to make itself seem taller, and he’d hear laughs. Sometimes, he wouldn’t look over. Even if it was in his peripheral vision, he still wanted to see and hear. But it never lasted long. He wonders if this is his Reaper punishing him for what he’s done. Forcing him to see what he wants most and so ironically making it out of shadows. What he is meant to represent...
“And I wanna tell you everything, the words I never got to say the first time around.”
Alex told her many things. They told her basically everything they wanted to tell her, so this doesn’t truly go for them. But there were a few stories they wish they shared with her...
But it goes perfectly with Hades. He told her “I love you” and he meant it, he told her stories that weren’t so bad, he showed her his love, but he didn’t say the one thing he should’ve. “I’ll fight for you.” He wanted to fight for her, he did, but he didn’t see a way out. “Or what if there was a way out? What if I didn’t see it because I didn’t do enough? Did I not try hard enough?” He asked himself all those questions, even if he knew the answers. “Of course there was a way out.” And then he’d whisper something MC always told him.
“There’s always a way out.”
But he didn’t look for it, he didn’t search hard enough, he didn’t fight for her, and now he was paying the price.
“And I remember everything, from when we were but children playing in this fairground. Wish I was there with you now...”
Now, this obviously only goes for Alex lol. They remembered when they were kids with her, they always do. They remember her being playful, kind, a little shy, and playing with them and being with them. They had so many tales of her being young with them, and how they loved that time just as much as they loved every new day with her...and now they wish they could go back and hold her as tight as their little body would let them (without hurting her-).
“If the whole world was watching, I’d still dance with you. Drive highways and byways to be there with you.”
Ya know that cliche thing in movies where they dance in the kitchen?? Alex and MC definitely did that. And they remember that every time they’re in the kitchen. They remember dancing with her in whatever way they could. If they were waiting for their food, they would dance with her and just have fun with each other. Coming home and being able to touch her with affection was always their favorite part of the day. And if people were in the kitchen with them or if they were anywhere else, they’d still dance with her and have such a fun time. And Alex doesn’t over do the speed limit much anymore. They used to when they were rushing to get to MC or rushing them together to some place, but now they didn’t really rush anywhere. Only to HERA if it was serious, but otherwise, it was slow and the only thing they did the same was tapping their fingers against the steering wheel. But they remember many times where they were driving down many highways just to get to MC...
And imagine Hades taking MC to a dancing place. Just to somewhere fancy (maybe a Gala) so they can enjoy themselves. MC feels anxiety since there’s so many people, its so fancy, and she doesn’t want to embarrass herself. However, Hades isn’t worried. He’s not the best dancer, but he doesn’t mind because MC is here. MC is with him and it didn’t matter how many people were looking at them, he’d love to dance with her and always comforted her. But now,,,he doesn’t really like dancing. Olympus may have parties every now and then (years later) and everyone expects Hades to be a little friendly and wanting to dance with many of the people or kindly decline, but no. He doesn’t do that anymore. He’s ‘fine’ by himself in the corner watching many people drink and dance drunk-like, and he usually would be with MC in the back, drinking their wine, and being together if an Olympus party happened, but now he was alone and wouldn’t dance with anyone anymore. 
And he remembers driving down the highway in his s1 when he was so scared for MC and how he wanted to get there as fast as he could and now he wishes he could drive down a highway and feel the warmth in his heart of being able to see MC. He would drive as long as it took to get back to MC, but now he can’t...he can’t go anywhere. Only in the Underworld and he knows no one would be happy to see him there,,,
“Everything comes back to you.”
All of the happiness in their life came back to her. Their happiness when they were a kid came from MC. They didn’t feel as lonely anymore and they had a special kind of warmth in their heart when she was around them...the warmth that carried through their life until MC was in their arms,,but its still there. Just the memory of her brings a nice feeling to their body and they feel calm, even if the memories cause agony at times...
And Hades pain and happiness comes back to her as well. When he looks at any God or Goddess, he’s reminded of what happened when he first met MC. His family disappeared and was taken away from him...and she helped him. She helped everyone. She solved the multiple puzzles Astraeus sent and comforted him when he didn’t expect it. She gave it to him with no hesitation and loved him,,and that’s how he fell for her. She brought true happiness in his life and the emptiness of that happiness all goes back to her death.... But it truly comes back to him.
“I saw that you moved on to someone new. In the park that we met they’ve got their arms around you.”
Lets say Alex finds her reincarnation and they feel pain in their heart. They’re friends with her (which is a blessing in itself) and when they find out she has a partner, it hurts them a little bit, even if they’re happy for her. They see her one day and they stare for a second. It reminds them of when MC was with them and they went to the park. They would have a picnic or go on a walk. Now,, they couldn’t do that with her-
And Hades... Let’s say he finds her one day. Alex and MC left, fear in their hearts, caused by him. He finds them in the park in some different state, having a picnic together. Hades isn’t too surprised. To make my AU worse, MC sent him her engagement ring that Cyclops had made. Hades never took his off. He didn’t see their engagement as over since he was looking for her and wanted to apologize, but now he knows its over. But he doesn’t stop looking. Even if she calls it quits, he just wants to apologize. She doesn’t have to take him back, he just needs to say he’s sorry,,,and maybe ask for them to forgive him...And he does find Alex and MC. He’s at the other end of the park and they haven’t notice him, thankfully. He just stares. They’re laughing and looking out into the distance. “They’re happy...they’re both okay...” he thought to himself. His heart shattered even more, but he knows MC’s was more shattered, but now it was slowly being put back together, and how could he not be happy for someone he loves so much? He thinks about walking up to them for awhile, but he decides to write it instead. 
I think of just him writing a letter of how sorry he is,,how he loves her,,and how he hopes maybe they can forgive him and see him and Aphrodite again, but tells them it’s okay if not. He can see why they wouldn’t. He writes it quickly, signs his name, tells them that he’s at Olympus, and gives it to someone. He tells them to go give it ‘to the couple over there’. He would watch as they get it and thank the person and open it. They read it together and fold it up and Alex puts it in their pocket. Instead of ignoring it, they both look around. Not wanting them to panic and notice him, he begins to walk away and hope that maybe they’ll come to Olympus to see him and Aphrodite...But he still didn’t take off his engagement ring,,just wanted to remind himself of better times, times he ruined.
“You still make me nervous when you walk in the room. Them butterflies they come alive when I’m next to you.”
Alex always felt warmth when they were with her and whenever she looked at them, they got anxious but in the good way. They wanted her to look at them with love and pride, and she did, but she still gave them butterflies whenever they saw her and felt nervous when seeing her come in the office (before they dated and maybe after they dated). But now the butterflies were gone and they didn’t feel real nervous anymore,,,
Hades didn’t feel nervous, not until MC came into his life. He was a God. He never truly wanted to impress someone, he just wanted to be himself. His kind self towards everyone, but MC made him nervous. A nervousness he wasn’t used to, a nervousness he realized was named Love. He felt anxious around her and wanted to please her. He got knots and butterflies in his stomach when he thought of her when they started dating. He loved her and he got a nice kind of anxious when he was going to meet her wherever. He loved that feeling and it never really went away. Well, until she was gone. When she was going to become Hera, his stomach hurt all the time. The knots and butterflies were now painful and made him scared, but he didn’t show it. No. Now, the knot returns when he thinks of her. Not the good kind anymore,,just pain for what he’s done and how he didn’t stop it at all.
“And I know that it’s wrong, that I can’t move on. But there’s something ‘bout you.”
That part isn’t in the cover but I just remembered it and UGH ITS SUCH A GOOD LINE!!
Alex doesn’t know how to move on. They can’t. Their heart was under lock and key. MC held the key in her hand everyday, always managing to make them love her even more everyday. Now, the key was missing, and they’d wait for as long as it took for her to come back. And some people see this as ‘wrong’ or ‘weird’. Many Gods say that they’ll get over it (not to their face) and how they live forever, they’ll be fine. But they won’t. Not until she’s back in their arms again or even just in their life again.
And Hades knows its wrong. He shouldn’t be the one struggling. She’s gone, he didn’t stop it, heck he enabled it, and he’s the one that’s struggling? He is, and he feels like its wrong. But he can’t help it. No smile comes to his face, he finds himself drinking coffee (like Persephone said in his s1, he rarely ever drank coffee), and not really using his phone. Mainly because when he opens it the memories rush back and it hurts. He sees his lock screen which is a picture of him and MC in a restaurant not rarely known and it only had hamburgers and greasy food there. It was one of the best dates he remembers because she made him step out of line, even his own rules!! He showed her her mother because he loved her!! There were many things about her that he loved, and one thing was how she made him break the rules and he felt like that was right, but now he feels like his life is just wrong. 
HMM!! IM SAD!! Literally been thinking of the Hades Astraeus route AU AND IM SAD MEGGG!! I love this and usually saw it as an Alex song, but now I see it as my Hades AU song and iT HURTS!! It could go for Apollo as well but today’s not about Apollo right now its about another Top Tier God :(((.
 And a side note (sorry to make this longer) in my universe and the AFK universe with Rose and Apollo (since Yh they’re canon there too), the MC isn’t Rose but Apollo is still Apollo and I had to say that he would never vote for that. He would never send someone to their death. Mainly because he was taught that humans don’t deserve this. Well, he just learned when he started to go to the surface more often. Heck, the only reason he would be present for the judging is because he was dragged to Olympus by the Gods. He stayed on the surface, loves to help people, and live life like the humans did. Other Gods and Goddesses felt complete on Olympus, but Apollo never felt complete. Not without Rose. But being on Earth and helping people and seeing them smile,,gave him a sort of completeness he wanted to keep feeling, and he never really went back to Olympus. Only when he wanted to see his friends or some Gods dragged  him back. 
Anyways,,thats all today >:)))). Didn’t mean to bring Apollo in this bUT I ALWAYS FIND A WAY FDJJIEFB. But yeah Im sad and hope you’re sad like I am and I’m sorry to keep bringing this same idea up, I’m just so sad at the idea😭. Love youuu💙. There’s some proof reading but I still make mistakes, so sorry if there’s mistakes-
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tacosandtomcos · 5 years
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Honestly one of the things i hate most about the love plot in general is the hypocrisy coming from both the show and the fanbase in regards to star and marco.....and their actions against Tom’s.
The same things Tom gets constant crap for, are the same things people brush off all the time for starco.
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Tom was criticized in s1 and 2 for spying on star and marco, for being obsessed with who star dated, for being a jerk about star’s choices even if his actions were emotion driven and not entirely intentional.
But Star can spy on Marco’s relationship with jackie for MONTHS (As the holiday spellcial proved she hadn’t done it just once, she did it even after BBTBC), can be kinda rude to jackie, and cause damage due to her emotions.....and not get the same amount of criticism from the show, or the fans.
and i’m serious when i say even the show does not address a lot of these issues.
Marco never even finds out Star was invading his privacy because she didn’t want him spending time with another girl.
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So Tom can get criticized for being a jerk to marco and star hanging out with marco, but if star does it star is valid to do these things and her feelings are not addressed by her or dealt with as being unhealthy.
In s4 they have an episode with star addressing marco as his own person, but at the same time the entire matter of star being too obsessive of marco dating someone else or her constantly spying on his personal business is something the show didn’t address at all.
like, innocent crushes are fine and all that but when it comes to the point in which you become invasive in people’s lives and want them to yourselves it’s not healthy, and that was a big point with tom’s redemption was to do his own thing and not focus so much around star.
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Which is the opposite of star and marco by the time s4b rolls around, when their main concerns revolve around each other then most of the other characters or any of the consequences of their actions.
Erasing all of magic is a big deal, so many creatures die, and so many characters star and marco have gotten to know are gone forever.
But the biggest thing Star cares about, is her boyfriend of a few hours and seeing him again.
I know these are teens but a matter this serious should have higher stakes then what we are presented with, because if the biggest issue here if these two aren’t going to date it just kinda comes off like that’s the only thing they care about when pulling something like this off.
They come off selfish when everyone else in this serious matter aren’t even considered, when mewni itself is at stake because of this.
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Even small things, like Tom texting star.
Apparently this makes him “Obsessed” and means he needs to break up with her.
Ignoring the fact STAR was doing the same thing.
Heck, Slime and Penelope were doing something similar awhile ago and everyone thought it was cute, but no, it’s bad if tom does it and star does it back for one episode...
And the finale is a huge step back in general for marco especially.
Marco has this whole issue starting from last season about him wanting to be here for his sibling, not to leave them and stay on mewni for the rest of his life.
but the finale implies marco did the opposite of that, for star.
Marco was going to leave his sibling and family behind for mewni, the same thing he said he wasn’t going to do, without hesitation apparently. 
Star did the same, leaving everyone behind for marco.
and though it sounds sweet to want to be with someone so badly, under the circumstances of the show, it kinda makes both of them seem selfish for their families, friends, and topped with the fact the biggest stake to the show in their mind is not being together....they just kinda come off like they’re obsessed with being together.
They hurt their SO’s because of each other.
They were going to abandon their families because of each other.
They almost died due to this.
And we’re supposed to interpret this as....romantic? Because the show doesn’t call them out on this, if anything, they treat it as fine and acceptable.
TKS was an episode about them being friends even at long-distances, but that never came to pass because star and marco couldn’t give each other up, not even for their well beings or their friends of families they've known for much longer.
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Heck, the same fandom that treated tom as a rebound, apparently thinks it’s ok if star dates marco the next day....as if that doesn’t sorta make marco a bit of a rebound or....well....makes star seem like she used tom...which....is not really helping her case.
This fandom gives Tom so much flack for this and that but apparently it’s only an issue if he does it.
And nothing star and marco have done because of each other is unhealthy or in any way, a problem that needs to be addressed or have the show address.
It’s entirely hypocritical to go so hard on Tom for things he did, but if star and marco do the same things it’s acceptable.
Nor is it acceptable to go hard on him for being so obsessed with star, when star and marco’s have lead to more serious issues and even hurting some of the character development they were supposed to have.
Tom is a genuinely good character to have when it comes to teaching kids that you don’t need your life to revolved around one person and you shouldn’t obsess over getting with them and getting them back so much.
But the show sends so many mixed messages when Star and Marco’s main goals by the end of the show seem to be mostly being together, uncaring about the fates of everyone else around them seemingly.
Star and Marco slowly devolved into being selfish and having their lives revolved around being with someone, and that’s kinda sad because they had ideas set up about star finding her place in life and marco moving forward.
but their endgoals were just to be together.
they’re best friends, i get that, it’s not like i can’t how someone would see this as some sweet gesture.
But when a show actively talks about unhealthy behavior when it comes to crushes with a character like Tom, ignoring said similar if not worse behavior when it comes to star and marco by both the show and fans make you question what the show is supposed to be teaching kids.
letting someone go is hard but it would’ve said a lot about them if they went through with it, knowing they would be close no matter what.
But neither character was willing to make that kinda sacrifice for each other and could’ve died in the process, they couldn’t grow for the other to be happy to even be allowed a future without being together and it feels like it just sends the wrong kinds of messages even if it wasn’t intentional.
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"#can you feel the poison? #and laura's sorta the antidote to that" I AM SUING. She really is!!! They're both totally and completely in denial about it but you can see from the pilot to s2 how much she's changed him just from spending time with him -- I had more thoughts to go along with this but now I'm blanking so I'LL JUST SCREAM
GURL, you can sue Pablo for that because that tag was actually inspired by his quote from way back when!
Pablo Schreiber says that “antagonist and ally” relationship between Mad Sweeney and Laura Moon will be tested big time by his allegiance to Mr. Wednesday when the Starz drama returns for Season 2. The leprechaun’s destiny “is tied to Wednesday, no matter what, but it’s also very thoroughly tied to her,” the actor says. “So Sweeney is walking the line, balancing what he owes Wednesday and what he’s realizing he feels in other places.”
I love this idea of Laura coming into the picture and just throwing everything off-kilter, especially when it comes to Sweeney…like instead of worrying about Laura upsetting his plans for Shadow, maybe Wednesday shouldn’t have underestimated the kind of influence Laura would have on Sweeney, right?
The thing is, I think Wednesday KNOWS Laura is partly the reason for Sweeney’s evident “softness”. And I might be wrong, but I kinda think him demanding Sweeney kill Laura all over again was a test to see how much Sweeney was willing to fuck everything for his battle. I mean…because, at this point, why is Laura even a real threat to Wednesday? He knows she’s a corpse rotting by the minute, so all he really has to do is sit back, keep Shadow away from her and she’ll eventually stop being a problem for him. And it’s not like Shadow’s been vying to be by Laura’s side either, so what other purpose does killing Laura really achieve here except to test Sweeney’s loyalty, to cruelly put him in this impossible situation where he has to choose between his battle and, as Wednesday implies, the woman he fell in love with?
And since you’ve noted the change from the pilot to S2, specifically 2.07, I love this idea of Laura being sort of this catalyst to help Sweeney shift his priorities the other way - instead of seeking war and being a collaborator of death, he ultimately chooses to love and bestow life. And the more he does so, I think the more confident he becomes in realizing that that is the right path.
And that confidence is never more apparent when you compare Sweeney in S1 vs. S2. There are quite a few overt examples, but I especially love the subtler details of how we see that, notably in Sweeney’s general vibe and body language. For example! In the pilot episode, there’s this constant acidic undertone laced into Sweeney’s words in that first scene at the Crocodile Bar. You can hear it whenever he interacts with Shadow/Wednesday, and it’s like you get the sense that this dude’s just angry all the time - like he sleeps angry, gets dressed angry, eats his breakfast angry, etc. But that anger is contained, you know? It’s passive-aggressive, and there’s this key moment where he’s asking Shadow whether he knows who Wednesday really is. And it’s all secret-like, and then Wednesday pops out with drinks and Sweeney’s all, “oh shit…shhh…“ like he was afraid of getting caught:
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Then throws him this resentful look, but says nothing and looks away, like he wants to stab Wednesday through his good eye, but knows he can’t.
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When they meet again in the morgue’s kitchen in 2.07, the sharpness in his voice is gone. No more snide, backhanded comments…instead, there’s exhaustion and a sense of tired resignation, even as he tries to quit and demand for his battle, it seems almost half-hearted. Or maybe he’s just tired of asking for it. Either way, it’s kinda telling, right? He knows Wednesday isn’t going to give it to him that easily, and it’s also this realization of what it’s going to cost him to get that battle. Maybe in the past, the circumstances in his life made it easy for him to do shitty things for Wednesday - he didn’t have much to live or fight for. But now? It’s Laura he’s fighting for (and his own (sorta newfound) sense of integrity), to the surprise of Wednesday and probably even himself.
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You ever hear of that thing where an idea or belief can hold greater power and truth, just from the sheer act of you speaking it into existence? I feel like that’s kinda what’s going on here.Like, he was never really all that conscious of what Laura means to him until that ^ moment, and you can tell from his subsequent conversations about Laura with Salim and then Shadow how much Laura does play a role in how much he cares about her, and possibly more so than his battle. And indeed, by the time we get to the big dinner/death scene, the battle he’s long angled for feels less prominent. Like Laura, he recognizes that the “root fucking cause” is Wednesday, that Wednesday was “always his battle”…which is quite the change from what he told Laura once, of how “gods fuck with us, that’s just what they do…” he now shares the same anarchist spirit as her…see, they’re perfect for each other!
And back to body language, look at his swag during the dinner scene in 2.07…it’s a nice contrast to ^ that S1 scene – the way he disrupts the dinner and keeps all eyes on him vs. him doing anything but be intrusive at Jack’s, e.g. playing darts; how he openly tries to upend Wednesday’s plans in front of Shadow and anyone else sitting blithely in Wednesday’s corner vs. clamming up about Wednesday’s true nature to Shadow; and finally, the physical confidence he throws around, the eye contact, the irreverence of his tone challenging Wednesday:
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*SPLOOSH* Amirite?
I think some might say that Sweeney would’ve eventually come to blows with Wednesday, that maybe Laura wasn’t as intrinsic of an influence on him, but to me, I think his actions in 2.07 only confirm how important the Laura Factor is, given how little power he actually has. Because at the end of the day, Sweeney doesn’t have much power at all, if any, really, and I think that’s the most important aspect of why Sweeney does what he does. Why he agrees to be Wednesday’s bag man for centuries on end, why he kills Laura when he knows it’s wrong, and why he longs for a glorious death in battle that’ll restore his sense of honor…but then Laura comes along, and suddenly, he has this weird power to affect things - it’s not godlike power like Odin’s, it’s these little things that work to reverse how much Sweeney held importance in things that made him miserable. I’m talking about the #soft movies he made like how he can refused to kill her again for Wednesday, yelled at her for rotting too fast, how he let Laura and his coin go after their big blunder in Nola, and how he tried to ensure Laura’s safety by warning Shadow to keep her away from Wednesday…these are choices that, to me, illustrate how much it’s purely about Laura and her well-being and not necessarily about his battle, his coin or anything else that’s self-serving. That maybe he can’t change his own destiny much, or really sever his ties with Wednesday, but he can, at least, do something to change Laura’s for the better. And that’s quite the change from the guy who was planning watching her liquefy so he grab his gem. 
Ok, what a ramble, jeez. Also, thank you for being patient - I had to take a bit of a hiatus from tumblring. :)
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lesbianfreyja · 4 years
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Can you please fill me a bit in whats happening with shameless? I stopped watching it last season, just couldnt handle the soap opera of it all
i only watched the ianmickey scenes so i dont know too much abt the others but here’s what i’ve gleaned from the bits of scenes i catch bookending the gay stuff:
debbie: began offering bjs for money as a distraction (?????) when people began to question the clothing scheme she was running. possibly trying to send her kid to foster care, difficult to tell when lip’s gf takes care of the baby most of the time. more of her in a minute though. frank ruined debbie’s scheme and now somehow she’s sleeping with a high schooler AND her mom, the mom gives debbie money to be a trophy wife basically. not sure how that happened. debbie’s bi now and just began sleeping with mickey’s lesbian cousin
lip: BORINGGGG. lip is boring now. he works at a mechanic’s and lives in an RV behind the house (?) with his hot baby mama. they raise their kid and do boring house stuff and are working toward like being normal
carl: ??? failed out of west point or something, i think he’s undercover doing weird shit to get into a gang or something. lost interest in him after the huge racist arc in s7 tbh. had to watch him have car sex, 0/10
fiona: moved out, left debbie 50 grand. not sure where all that went. i’m pretty sure she moved out in the same coat she almost ran away w/ jimmy in at the end of s1, which would be cool except maybe she just only owns one jacket
frank: who knows. i keep scrolling past his naked body when trying to fast forward though >:(
liam: kinda unsure except he talks now and is hanging out, independently, with what appears to be a high school basketball team. i think he just realized his dream (?)
ianmickey: HEEERES the juice gays. okay so ian and mickey were cellmates in prison except they were fighting bc they were in close quarters way too much and every little thing annoyed them so ian got manipulated by a guy who didn’t want to be parolled into stabbing the guy so that ian would go to solitary and the guy would stay in jail except then mickey took separating for a bit to mean a breakup so he tried to break up with ian first by stabbing the guy so they both stabbed him except they had a nice CO who just escorted them back to their cage POST-STABBING and mickey was still mad because ian was fucking him with mayo every morning except then ian got paroled and mick asked him to stay in jail since apparently he WENT to jail just to BE with ian (which apparently viewers already knew like that wasn’t a revelation) and then ian said he’d do it if mickey wanted him to so he went to stab someone else to throw his parole but mickey stopped him last minute with his gang and told ian it was wrong to ask him to stay and also ian had a gay friend group in prison (who were murderers) and mickey went to his dad’s nazi friends for boy advice (who gave it to him) and then ian got out and then thru circumstances i don’t understand mickey snuck out? was paroled? and ended up on a bus where his PO found him but just sorta escorted him home so mickey goes home to ian who now has a PO that is blackmailing him into running an insurance scam and the PO “always wanted a milkovich” so she bribes mickey’s PO to transfer mickey to her but she sucks and so she gets thrown out of a window shortly thereafter and ian thinks that mickey did it and mickey thinks that ian did it so he goes to his dad and his lesbian cousin and it turns out mickey’s helping them restore & move guns or whatever and mickey’s dad knows he’s gay because mickey goes to him for advice on what to do about ian and terry is almost just regular-homophobic for a second about the whole concept of mickey caring for ian because they’re together but once someone brings up marriage he calls mickey some slurs and threatens to kill him and gets real specific with what genitals mickey’s partners need to have and at the same time as this is all going on, ian is separately getting advice to marry mickey so they get engaged to abuse spousal privilege (because they both think the other one killed their PO) except when theyre at the courthouse they see that the PO’s blackmailed lesbian lover did the crime so they get in a fight about the “real” reason they got engaged and even though he’s upset mickey signs the marriage cert anyway but ian doesn’t because he’s too self-loathing to think he deserves love so they break up and mickey starts fucking a “glittery twink” (his dyke cousin’s words, or maybe ian’s?) that he obviously hates and also he’s pretending that he’s vers now so they make a bunch of homophobic jokes about the boyfriend (that mickey’s moved in with, and he drives a moped) and as revenge ian gets a grindr date to where mickey’s going that night and he meets them there with his extremely flamboyant date so they make a bunch of homophobic jokes about him and then the glittery twink says something mean about mickey so ian beats the shit out of him and then mickey knocks ian’s date out cold for saying he’d sit on ian’s dick later and ian proposes to mickey even though earlier at the courthouse mickey pushed him down the stairs and broke his leg but regardless mickey says yes so they get engaged and terry comes back the next morning with a gun and calls mickey slurs outside the house and they pull a gun on each other and more homophobic things are said and mickey begins getting really really into wedding planning “as revenge” to make it the most nauseating thing his dad’s ever seen but he very obviously actually deeply cares and wants all of this because mickey has been turned into a caricature of himself whose only traits are violence and honed, homophobic stereotypes of domesticity
and that’s what you missed on shameless.
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ok talk about why clac.e didn't work pls -deamaia
Oof rant here we go. let’s hope it all makes sense because i ramble a lot when i rant. For me it’s the damn writing for them is why c!ace didn’t work, (the chemistry is another one but the writing drives me nuts) So in s1, c!ace was developed as a somewhat high school/your basic white YA novel couple and they stay like this for the rest of the series, they never grew out of it. Until like their last damn scene in 3x22Most of their writing always fell flat in s1, the moments were either down right creepy or just look like they wanted to bang the entire time, they were supposed to have like romantic stepping stones for their relationship and yet, there was none, nothing felt romantic (this can fall on the no chemistry thing as well but I felt like it was the writing as well). But there was some moments you could be like okay cute, but you can realize everytime they had that ‘oh cute’ moment damn Ruelle was playing in the background so we can just thank her for that. Like in 1x11 they had like this moment about what happened in the TWI universe, they’re talking about how this is real and shit I’m like you are trying to tell me that what they said in the AU world is what they felt? Sh!Jace was there for like two seconds and got stabbed! And sh!Clary legit faded out of existence for awhile there, how did she know how that Clary felt??? I was so confused it was supposed to be a romantic moment and yet it confuses the fuck out of me.  S2 things just get worse because of siblings plot shit and the fact is they still try to move them along as a couple but just ended up making them have a brotherly-sisterly bond, and the fact is they probably could’ve ended the plot sooner but choose not to and show us Clary moving on with Simon and Jace sleeping with people to forget he’s in love with his sister. Tbh they forgot about c!ace until 2x14 and they suddenly remembered that they were endgame and rushed to get them back together, which some of their moments during that time was yeah sorta okay I still didn’t feel anything romantic going on for them, that fucking glow-y scene in 2x19 is scarred into my brain, that’s like supposed to be romantic-bonding for 2.0 of their relationship is just what the fuck. Without the special effects I would’ve hated to be a cast member watching them hold onto each other while a fan blows air, I would’ve walked off or just cried from how bad it was. And than we have the oh so famous c!ace scenes in 2x20, I still honestly can’t remember feeling for them here, like yeah he’s dead but hes gonna come back in like two seconds. And that damn “i love you” scene that should’ve been cut, one never addressed it, didn’t make any sense (was just there because someone was a little upset that Malec was gonna get a whole I can’t live without you scene) and two because I feel like because is might have been the road to that damn stupid ass shit Jamie gives them and therefore the other writers who actually have brains had to.So now s3 which is the start of everybody is tired of the unearned crap c!ace is given. Because here is when they start trying to build up c!ace (and s!zzy too) as this epic in love, meant to be couple, which is a lot of my eyerolls in 3a come from. You really don’t see it in the first episode but boy in the ones after it you do. The whole talk in 3x02? Like what the fuck where did that come from because I sure as fuck don’t feel like you have given those emotions off before and I don’t remember you looking like this in the s1/s2 writing where was that and also this is basically Magnus’s fucking lines from 2x07! I don’t remember what the fuck happens in 3x03 other than Izzy wearing that dress and the Malec/Maryse dinner.  But 3x04 is just a fucking mess and it’s by our favorite writer Jamie!! Who wrote those incesty lines in 2x04! But she’s here writing lines out for c!ace that don’t make any fucking sense and it’s just for c!ace fans. like the whole “My love for clary is stronger than your magic” bullshit, just what the hell, that whole episode is basically telling me that they love each other, but they aren’t showing me because that’s how storytelling works, you gotta do both, Malec has it, it’s not that hard. And also I totally almost forgot that half of s3 was spent with Jace forcing Clary not to tell anyone about the wish, ooo couple goals, not. Than 3x05 happens, tbh I forgot most, other than the Malec drama with the stupid timeline which effects the whole damn show and the angel getting his heart punched out by Lilith and Jace getting spelled.But yeah that stupid ass two month timeline that effects the whole show because Alec and Magnus really began their relationship in s1, they just didn’t make it official to the whole world in s2. It really hurts c!ace and their epic love story they try to give us. Because how did they fall in love to the point where Lilith had to get Magnus to spell Jace, because he’s so in love with her that it’s stronger than the Queen of Hell’s magic???? Unless they’re trying to tell me that they either fell in love in s1 or during the time they thought they were siblings.Which is really fucking bad, so when did they fall in love?! They never showed me in the episodes’ writing. Anyways moving on, c!ace gets some more toxic moments and that another “I love you” scene which just had me on the ground because why Jesus. Do they do this to me. And than we have Izzy talking about how much Jace has changed since they met Clary which has me like this????? ‘Cause hm, well ever since Jace met Clary, he’s treated his siblings like shit and became even more of an asshole, and that’s stayed the same over the past three seasons? Where is the change? Here you see that they’re trying to make them seem like Alec and Magnus, who’ve actually changed since they met each other, c!ace? That’s nowhere in their writing. Then we have the whole 3x08 thing where he’s killing clary in his mind, which i have no words for that since i only watched it once. 3x10, good episode, no c!ace moments other than that fake ass cry and ‘cLAEEERY’ yell. And now 3b is where we get to see all of the book!c-lace moments that either don’t make any sense or are just plain toxic. 3x11 I basically skip all of the Jace-c!ace related moments mainly because i can’t stand his face and i watch this episode right before i go to bed so yeah. But it’s a good episode.  3x12, oh the famous shitty reunion that falls under bad writing and bad chemistry, I can’t tell if it was the writing or the chemistry for that one, the reunion should’ve been nice ass top tier but yet- we get weird ass smiles, barely any emotion because I know they do write like ‘the character feels happy’ some crap like that, because I remember the 2x20 script having something like that- but with c!ace nothing- just nothing. Just about how Jace wanted to take her to Paris, lol where in the fuck did that come from because he’s never mentioned that, nEVER. Than we got 3x13- lol my favorite episode (not) this episode was just a shitty filler, but the c!ace moments make me wanna sleep and gag which was all of the action I felt during one of their scenes.  So in this one they are back together and trying to figure out how to get the rune off of Clary, because first she really doesn’t want to have s-ex with Jace, ‘it’s never gonna be just me and you, it’s him too.’-  which they end up forgetting. Than we get the shittiest build up to a first time scene ever, because this just comes out of nowhere really I guess if you count the previous episodes as build up, but there’s no  build up in this one, it just comes out of no where really. One minute she’s like I wANT THE RUNE OFF  before I get the d to- i mean it’s YOLO, give me that d. Like????? WHERE. But here’s where we get a book-quote that doesn’t make any damn sense but we gotta do it. “I will love you until I die, and even after then” some shit like that, I can’t remember. Does she even say I love you back? But honestly here did that even come from, the writing makes me wanna go hide. And we also get the shittiest written/filmed worse chemistry after first time scene ever. Like it’s supposed to be romantic??? But the way its filmed and written is just so damn bad, all I did was gag my first watch and rewatch of it. Not to forget the whole it’s basically a incest three thing, because her brother decides to send her a message afterwards.And 3x14 which is just ughh, most of the c!ace ones were with her brother, and the fact is the little ice skating thing was meant to be cute, I guess but I really didn’t feel shit, they were barely in the next episode. 3x16, also known as the dumb and dumber part for them, because lets summon Lilith-, but also the whole Jace is able to bring her out of becoming evil works on paper, made me have a headache because how was he able to be the one to pull her back??? Like that trope is amazing but for c!ace doesn’t make sense, because they haven’t shown me that they are in love that much, or care that much. 3x17-3x18, I just remember him being there, that stupid wings shit and her knocking the shit out of him when she turned dark clary. Oh but the next one- me hate. We got Jamie once again proving that she’s a shit writer, because we got c!ace and drugs! And don’t forget the whole she’s gonna force herself on him, but don;t worry he can push her away, even though he’s about to pass out. (And never once address this) Barely of them in the next one, because we got another return of the “Until I die” quote that still doesn’t make sense. That I rolling my eyes again, now in 3x21/3x22 they didn’t actually piss me off or make me roll my eyes, because somehow the writing was finally somewhat good for them. But they had to throw the “Loving cells” quote and comparing themselves to Malec, which writers you aren’t trying to hide at this point you were trying to make them out to be next to the Main couple, when I was like I could like them. Their last scene is so damn good! Like punch in the gut. WHERE WAS THAT THE WHOLE TIME. Shorter story with the writing: C!ace suffered from tell us all about it but we won’t ever show you/unearned development. All because Todd and co were chickens who didn’t want to change the endgame relationships and didn’t write them good.Mainly in the end you can tell that like I said before because they fucked around with them, they had to give them the unearned writing, so they could match up with Malec. Because just like go through gif sets of them, most of what c!ace got is what Malec had before, except better writing and better chemistry. The chemistry is another reason-  but I believe the writing is the bigger one in the end. 
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You’re overreacting a bit. Almost all the couples this season are written quite messily, even their beloved Mileven who I think is way more toxic given the fact that Eleven has been a captive and too dependent on him? Same with Jopper, they’ve devolved way too much and were isolated from the main cast for far too long. Calling Jancy toxic is pushing it, they were actually the most level-headed couple and manager to resolve their fight. Yes Jonathan was still underwritten 1/2
(continued) And I’d love to see him have the same nuance he did in S1 and not to be blamed for just existing by the locals, but the Byers as a whole got the short end of the stick this season. As much as the locals blamed him they also blamed Joyce for example, moving. Not to mention the Byler/Mileven discourse because Will chose to negate Eleven (which was also OOT). Hopefully in S4 with their new place they can rectify this but Jonathan still got more to do this season than the last, at least. 2/2
i’m not saying jancy is toxic–they’re compatible and there for each other in this deep way, even when their differences risk getting in the way of that, and right, they’re level headed together. but, imo, it is a toxic idea to offer about relationships to have one character lose their personality and not interact with anyone else once they enter into a relationship. i don’t think that’s specific to something within jancy…it’s coming from how they haven’t written jonathan enough, i think coincidentally, though idk, at the moment they were bringing them together on the show. i mean they sorta moved him into the category of underwritten love interest, and they didn’t have to do it that way.
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