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Episode 70 Transcript: Car Sex Hand on Window

[intro guitar music]

G: Hello! My name is Grey.

C: And my name is Crystal.

G: And this is Busty Asian Beauties, a Supernatural commentary podcast where I, someone who has seen this show several times...

C: And I, someone who only knows about the show through social media, discuss every single episode of Supernatural from start to finish. Also, we are both Asian.

G: Both Asian. For this episode, we will be discussing Season 4, Episode 10: "Heaven and Hell"- boring-ass title.

C: The most low effort title in the entire world.

G: Written by Eric Kripke-

C: No.

G: - directed by J. Miller Tobin.

C: Wait. This was a Kripke?

G: This was a Kripke.

C: He only writes like, two a season, and it's usually the opener and the closer. Like, he bothered descending the Earth to meet the mortals for 4.10, and it's like, not even that good?

G: I'm assuming this is like, a mid-season situation

C: Like, a hiatus occurred after this or something?

G: Perhaps. Not sure.

C: Pergaps.

G: Well, first of all, I want to say that when you first watched this episode, you messaged me and said that you don't give a shit. [C laughs] And I was like, "Huh. Maybe Crystal had a change of heart or whatever."

C: Yeah.

G: 'Cause when you message me about episodes, it's always like, "Oh, I love this, like, what's happening," or "I hate what's happening." It's never like, "I do not give a single shit about this episode." But I would say, especially for an episode written by Eric Kripke, this episode is so not Supernatural.

C: Hmm.

G: And I think a big part of it is it's not a case episode.

C: That's true.

G: So it just doesn't feel like an episode of Supernatural. And I get it-

C: Yeah, all they're doing is running away from the angels, running away from the demons, like, okay, whatever?

G: Yeah.

C: Like, what's happening? Who care?

G: Yeah. Like, I mean, the thing about Supernatural is it is so reliant- like, the vibes of the show are so reliant on the episodic nature of it. So when you take away the episodic nature of it, like, obviously, this episode cannot exist without the previous one, you know? And when you start taking that away, it kind of like, removes an essence of the show that I personally really like. And like, later on in the show, in like, season 14, 13, 15, like, it is more understandable because that's like, of a different era already. But here in Season 4, it is jarring to have an episode that's like, not a finale episode but is a two-parter. And it feels a little bit like, "Eh. [petulant voice] I don't care because there's not a case, and I'm used to a case, [C laughs] and I'm used to the format, and it's not following the format!" you know?

C: Yeah, yeah. And it literally isn't.

G: Yeah. It literally isn't.

C: I thought the reveal at the end was so cheap, cheesy, [G laughs] overwrought, who give a shit.

G: No, because, like, the thing is, I knew it was coming, just fundamentally, but I also knew specifically that it was gonna be this episode, because in "Yellow Fever," when Eric Kripke was like, "[teary] There's gonna be a reveal in episode 10." Like, I knew that it was this reveal, it would happen this episode.

C: Oh, I don't mean about the torture. Sorry. I meant the reveal that like, "Oh, this was their [overlapping] plan all along to bring the angels and demons together."

G: It's so corny!

C: Like, fuck off. No, it wasn't.

G: It literally wasn't.

C: Dean sold them out for real, and Ruby wanted to sell them out for real in my heart.

G: It's so corny, it's so corny! This episode, kind of not good. But let's get into it. What did you know about this episode before you watched it?

C: So I knew we'd have the Anna angel reveal, and that the vial of her grace would show up, and at some point she would smash it and become a full-blown angel. And obviously, I knew about car sex hand on window, which is, you know, every AMV maker's favorite clip in the entire universe, and that, like, it would come after Anna was revealed to be an angel and after, like, Dean, in some way, shared about the Hell torture with her. So they're like, whatever, at their like, most authentic selves, and then they continue to have no chemistry [G sighs] as they have car sex hand on window.

G: I hate it. Can we just get it out of the way? I hate how they did the sex scene. I hate the precursor to it. I genuinely thought it was so weird, like, the way they- it happened. The way it happened was so odd. [C laughs] And I like, I didn't catch who was the writer at the beginning. And like, in the middle of the episode, I was like, "I don't really want to look it up right now." So the rest of the episode, it was just brewing in my head, like, "Who could have possibly written this [C laughing] so fucking weird, like, 'I'm gonna bring up your deepest trauma, and then I'm gonna proposition you' situation?" And you know what? It was Eric Kripke. I should have known.

C: It sure was. Yeah. Also, I didn't know who the writer was until you said it, which may be clear from how I reacted. But yeah, this episode was so mediocre to me that I didn't bother looking up the writer. So we had slightly different but similar experiences regarding that.

Well, at least he gave us car sex hand on window-

G: It truly was car sex hand on window.

C: - so that Meg x Kelly AMV could flourish. [G laughs]

G: That's gonna be the title of this episode. [both laughing] For real.

Well, let us begin.

G: We start first with our "Road So Far," which is like, it's nothing. It's whatever. And it kind of seamlessly moves into the continuation of what happened from last episode, which is, you know. Uriel and Cas show up, and they're like, "Give us Anna. She has to die." And Sam is very- well, this is the actual episode now. We're starting the episode. And it's Sam being like, "Why? Why do you want her?" They are trying to be to extract information, and Uriel is kind of taunting them, saying that like, "Oh, don't worry about it. I'll kill her gently." Oh, I love this. Dean's like, "You guys are heartless sons of bitches, you know that?" And Cas just goes, "As a matter of fact, we are. [both] And?" Love that. Love that! You know, Cas doesn't have any lines this episode, but he has such an interesting presence! [C laughing] Like, he barely says anything. In fact, he says nothing of like, substance. Did you know this? He doesn't say anything that like, matters.

C: You're right.

G: Yeah, but everything that he is to say is conveyed is in looks, and like, being the prettiest angel alive while being strangled to death.

C: Yeah. Yup.

G: He set the record for that, yeah.

C: He did. Good for him.

G: And that is all of his contribution to this episode. He doesn't say anything. And it is such an interesting way to do his character. I keep on saying that. [both laugh] Every time he shows up, "What an interesting way-" like, it is very interesting, right?

C: Yeah. I agree.

G: What are we supposed to take from the fact that Cas doesn't say anything that is revealing or anything. Like, it's all Uriel. There is some kind of reason why they do it like that, which Uriel says later, right? Like, there's a reason why Cas is not around. But that reasoning just makes you think about it more. It's like, "Oh," like- because we know what happens to Cas in the future, right? Like, it's revealed that whenever he disobeys, he gets sent up to Heaven and then gets rebooted, basically.

C: Yup.

G: And like, the way Uriel words it later - we're just skipping around this episode. But basically, Uriel says, right, like, "Oh, like, Cas is fond of you, and that's why he's not the one talking to you right now. He has this weakness. He likes you." And it makes you think, like, "Oh, is he being punished for that right now? Is that why he's not here? And like, is that why he's so quiet recently, like, in this episode? Because, like, after the Samhain- [laughs] 'Sam Hayne' situation [C laughs], like, he got booted upstairs?" It makes you think. Makes you think.

C: Makes you think!

G: Makes you think. Well, anyway, Cas says that like, "Anna is not innocent." And Uriel says that, "Oh, Anna is even worse than this abomination you're screwing," meaning Ruby.

C: Yeah.

G: And Uriel calls her a demon whore before attacking her.

C: Which, yeah.

G: Sad!

C: But also like, out of character, I think. Like, his insults are more creative than that.

G: Yeah, it's like, "mud monkey," what did he call her?

C: He calls her [both] a stain.

G: A stain! Which I love.

C: Yeah. He's poetic. Like, there are moments in this episode where I'm like, “That's not Uriel. That's the writer."

G: And it was Eric Kripke.

C: I think the biggest one is his bro moment with Dean in the dream?

G: The angel pie cake, or whatever? Angel food cake?

C: Yeah. I was like, "He would not fucking say that." But you know. It was, in fact, an Eric Kripke episode.

G: They start a little fight scene, I suppose, where Uriel out takes Ruby, beats her up, pins her against the wall. And then [laughs] there were some very interesting scenes between Dean and Ruby this episode.

C: Right.

G: Like, I feel like if I was watching this the first time, I would be like, "Huh! Are you trying to do something here?"

C: Oh, really?

G: Yeah. Like, I legitimately- that was like, my knee-jerk reaction. There are legitimately moments where it's like, "Huh!"

C: No.

G: Like they share a look, or like, you know, like, she gets pinned against a wall, right, and Dean is like, first to attack. First to come to her rescue. And I was like, "Huh." I mean, obviously, I don't think that now, because I know how this show pans out, but I think there would have been a part of me, if I was seeing this for the first time, who was like, "Are they gonna do a love triangle?" [laughs] That's a bit funny.

C: I just don't think Supernatural would have Dean steal Sam's girl. That doesn't seem like a storyline they'd go for.

G: [laughing] No, but like, that's fucking hilarious, though. [laughing]

C: But it would be fucking hilarious. Yeah.

G: It'd be really funny.

C: I just think all of this is just his complete change of heart since hearing how she saved Sam's life, blah blah blah. Like, they're just hammering that in.

G: I literally- like, against the screen, like, while I was watching this, I went, "Oh my god! He's un-misogynized." [C laughing] And he literally did unmisogynize.

Yeah. And Cas is proceeding towards the room where Anna is, and Sam tries to stop him by going, "Cas. Stop. Please."

C: They're in love for real.

G: I love that because "Cas," you know, first time of Sam saying "Cas," I think. Fun! And is this the first time that somebody calls Cas "Cas" in his face?

C: Huh. Okay, wait. So when Dean said it, it was-

G: Towards Sam.

C: - in "Metamorphosis" towards Sam.

G: Yeah.

C: I think this is- is this? This is maybe the first time. Sastiel's real.

G: It took me out a little bit, because, like, I feel like Cas would be like, "Huh!" Like, he would have the same reaction as me as with like, the, "Huh! That's odd." But, you know, he doesn't have that reaction. Instead, he has the reaction of making Sam collapse to the ground with a boop to the forehead. And then there's just this completely blinding light that envelopes the entire room. Castiel, Uriel, they get like, blasted out. We see that interesting thing that they do with the effects when an angel gets blasted away, which is like, their wings are visible, for like, a split second. I do love that.

Dean is helping Ruby up. [C laughs] They're having a moment. [laughing] What if I start Deanruby truthing? Like, what will become of us?

C: I don't know.

G: It will be the worst thing I've ever done.

C: I feel like a lot of characters are shippable. I support you.

G: That's true. Yeah.

C: Though, I mean, I will only support you up until the time when he is very, very mean to her again.

G: Yeah. Anyway, they enter the room where Anna was, and it's bloody.

C: Yess.

G: She is bloody. Like, she cut open her arm, and her palm is just full of blood. And then we we pan to the mirror that's in front of her, and there's bloody sigils on it. And basically, Anna is saying like, "I don't think this killed them. I sent them away, but like, I don't know how I did it. I just know how to do it. And then I did it." And then that is the end of our intro.

C: Indeed it is.

I do wanna say that like, that fight scene like, it was like, Cas didn't get his hands dirty at all, like, he just put Sam to sleep and did nothing else, whereas, like, I feel like they sent Uriel after Ruby like, right away and like, had him punching her and stuff, and like- I don't- like, there's really only like, two main angels - three after Anna shows up - so far. And it's Cas and Uriel. And they're trying to make Cas more likeable by like, making Uriel less likeable.

G: Yeah.

C: And it just feels weird to do that when the the foil who you're supposed to hate is a Black man, and the one that you're supposed to like is a white man.

G: Yeah. I think this is the part of the show where they start changing it up a little bit because Misha had good-

C: Ratings.

G: - had a good reception. Yeah.

C: I don't get how Supernatural works. Like, people keep talking about how they changed the story midway through the season because of reviews.

G: I also don't- I don't think that's possible. Is that possible?

C: Didn't- I thought you made all of it already! What do you mean? [G laughs]

G: No, because, like, I thought about this, too, because, like, in Season 7, they bring Cas back, towards the end of the season, yeah. But like, they did bring him back. And it's like, "Well, that's odd. They just completely rewrote, like, the end of that season to accommodate Cas coming back?"

C: Right. Yeah, I don't- What is the schedule of writing and filming and shit?

G: I know. You know what? I am curious, but not curious enough to look shit up.

C: Fair.

G: So if you or a loved one has every suffered through the set that is Supernatural, do tell us what the schedule is like.

C: Yeah, yeah, please do.

C: We cut to a little bit later in the cabin, and Sam and Dean are talking. And they're like, "What do they mean by blah blah blah blah blah?" So Sam gets tasked with doing research on her. And Dean gets tasked with getting Anna to a safe place. So he takes her to Bobby's panic room, which we have seen earlier.

G: Yeah! Ruby can't enter!

C: Yeah, no, the shot is that Anna's sitting there, and Dean's like, talking and saying like, "Hey, because of all the iron walls and the salt, like, demons can't even touch the joint." And then we just like, [laughing] pan over to Ruby standing outside with her arms crossed.

G: She's like, "Kind of racist." [C sighs] Which is, again, like, they're aware of the implications of the things that they are doing in this show.

C: Yeah, I don't- on one hand, I think it's just the fact that, like, sometimes people just use "racist" to mean "discriminatory." Like, they just consider it like, a synonym, which I think is pretty annoying because racism is like, a specific thing with specific mechanisms that is different from like, fantasy racism or whatever. But yeah, next, like, if they're saying this, like, are they aware? Are they aware that killing monsters is bad? [G laughs] Hello? Hello, Eric Kripke?

Yeah. So she tosses them some hex bags that will apparently hide them from angels and demons. And Dean says, like, "Thanks, Ruby." And there is a moment where she's like, "What? Dean's being nice to me?" So I mean, I guess I could see where you're coming from, but I guess I just considered it like, them hammering in the 4.09 change of heart.

And according to Anna, there is absolutely no talk on angel radio at all. Anna's like, "Okay, so like, we're in a bad spot. You guys are all scared, right?" I think, like, Dean and Ruby exchange a look, and Dean's like, "Eh, no." But then, you know, Sam shows up, and Dean leaves, and he tells Ruby to keep an eye on Anna, which did automatically make me insane, like the fact that, like, Anna, is like, trapped in this like, iron tower for her safety, and Ruby is like, a loyal knight who's guarding her, but like, is physically unable to go inside and touch her. Like, that, too, is yuri. And it literally is. [G laughs]

G: It literally is.

G: We're at Bobby's, like, the living room area, and Sam and Dean- there's a plot thread that starts here [laughs], which is where they're talking about like, "Where the fuck is Bobby?" I don't know. It's such a weird thread.

C: Yeah, I don't get it.

G: Is it a joke? Or like, he really is in the Dominican. He says that he's "at hedonism." What does that mean?

C: What is that?

G: And like, later, Sam- like, Dean goes like, "Get him out of hedonism." And I was like, "What is happening?" [both laugh]

C: Is that the name of a club? [G laughs]

G: Is it?

C: I'm gonna look up "Hedonism Dominican" and see if anything comes up.

There's like, a resort called Hedonism in Jamaica, but I'm not getting anything from the Dominican Republic. So.

G: It's just odd in general. Let's say there is a resort called The Hedonism in the Dominican Republic, right? Like, why are Sam and Dean privy to that? Is this just like, a hunter stop? Like, "Oh, yeah, hunters going on vacation. We're going to the Dominican Republic, hanging out in The Hedonism," like, what?

C: I don't know. I think that I think that the resort in Jamaica is sort of famous because it's like- I don't know. People are saying it's like, an adult-themed resort. So like, I don't- maybe it's just like, something Dean would know about.

G: I guess that is the implication, because, like, Dean says, like, "He's at Hedonism, wearing like, a trucker cap, and like, swinging at a hammock." And Sam goes, like, "Ugh. Now, like, that image is in my brain forever."

C: Oh, the idea is that he's only in the trucker hat. I see.

G: And it's like, I don't know. So many lines in this episode are like, "Haha, funny sex joke," and Sam going like, "[petulant, angry] I don't like sex jokes! [C laughing] They're so unfunny!" [G laughing]

C: Yeah. Right, of course Eric Kripke originated "Dude, you're confusing real life with porn again."

G: Yeah. Anyway, what they find on Anna is that, you know, she has parents.

C: Well, we know that. [both laugh] They were super dead last episode.

G: It's so funny when they start this bit, because it's like, "Yeah, this is her parents." And it's like, "Yeah, they're pretty normal family." But like, what's new is that when Anna was like, two years old, she had like- she'd get quote-unquote "hysterical" anytime that her dad was close to her because she believed that she had a different dad, and that her real dad wanted to kill her.

C: Yeah. Which is so [both] interesting.

G: It is interesting. Like, my first reaction as this information was being relayed to me was, "Oh, when she was two years old, did her like, dad get possessed?" And then she was like, "That's not my dad, that's somebody else!" Like, "That's a demon possessing my dad." But like, as the revelation goes on further, it's like, "Oh, like, God hates her so much and wants her dead so much, it's unreal." Which is fun.

C: Yeah, yeah. It's so good. It's so interesting.

G: This, like, actually brought up something in my head, which is that, Anna, right now, is around my age.

C: Yeah, she's 23? 22?

G: Yeah. Like, she's around our age. What if tomorrow we wake up and we're like, "We are angels. And also, God wants me dead." Like, it's so much. And I understand that like, when she receives her knowledge that she's an angel, she receives all the knowledge from like, angelhood, right?

C: Yeah.

G: But god, that that must be a lot. Because she didn't turn into an angel the moment she recalled the memories. She was still human with human emotions, right?

C: Yeah.

G: She just had angel memories. And if we are to believe that angels and humans have different emotional capabilities, which I personally don't believe, but- like, I believe that angels feel the same, it's just like, fucking- they're weird shit about it. [C laughs] But like, this episode, you're meant to believe that like, "Oh, angels aren't capable of that kind of guilt or that kind of being apologetic or whatever," because Anna says it to Cas's face.

C: Yeah.

G: So if we are to believe that, I do wonder what Anna was feeling at the time. 'Cause, like, she never had full knowledge of her angelhood while in a human body with human emotions. So like, I don't know. I wonder if it felt different for her, or like did she realize in that moment that, like, "Oh, the things that I felt when I was an angel are the things I'm feeling now as a human. It's just that now I am allowed to feel them because I am human, whereas when I was an angel, it was like, we were all pretending to not feel anything."

C: Yeah.

G: I don't know. It brings up a lot of interesting points, but none of them are gonna be answering this episode.

C: [laughs] Yeah.

G: And you know what? Probably not through the rest of Supernatural. C: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, she's a woman. She can't have complex thoughts! What are you thinking about? [G laughs]

G: It is-' cause angelhood in Supernatural is one of the most interesting things that they do, mostly because they don't do it. [C laughs] Like, they don't know what they're doing. And you know what? I think it was last episode, there was a review that was like, "Oh, like, the thing about the angels is they don't know what they were doing, and like, they just made it up as they went." And like, I think, honestly, that's what makes it so fun. Because, like, obviously, now, they're building up this plot where it's like, "Oh, the angels don't feel the same as humans." And then later, they just go like, "Yeah, probably not. Eh." But like, that kind of back and forth is what makes it so interesting to think about.

C: Mm-hm.

G: Hell yeah.

C: Hell yeah. Though I feel like they also like, combine like, Cas becoming more like, quote-unquote "human" with him losing more of his grace. So like, I feel like they do still want to go with the like, "Angels don't really feel exactly the same as humans." Which is like, fine if they don't. But yeah, I don't know.

G: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the Cas thing is interesting because he becomes human and then regains his grace, so like- h- wh- does becoming human fundamentally change your processing when you become an angel?

C: Buckleming sure thought that it did. Buckleming was like, "Now that Cas is a human, he's a heterosexual male who wants to fuck and suck." [G laughs]

G: Yeah. Anyway.

C: Whatever, we'll get to that horrid thing when we get to it.

G: This is the bit in the episode where the, "Dude, you're kind of using porn with reality again" bit starts with Dean just being like, "Hahaha! Who actually is her father? The plumber?" And Sam's like, "Shut the fuck up, Dean." [C laughs] But yeah. They're just saying- they're exchanging about how like, "Oh, I wonder what Anna is hiding? Like, what does it all mean?" And then Anna like, shows up, and Ruby is right beside her.

C: Yes! I love women.

G: And she goes, "Why don't you just ask me to my face?"

C: [laughing] And then they ask her to her face, and she says, "I don't know." [both laughing]

G: "[angry] Why don't you say that to my face? Why don't you ask me directly?" And then she just goes, "Yeah, I don't know. [C laughing] You probably should figure it out on your own. Sorry." So real of her. There's a funny bit where Dean goes like, "Oh, good job watching her, Ruby," and Ruby just goes, "I am watching her!" So real of them.

C: They literally- they broke through the veil of iron and salt through their gay love and saved the day.

Speaking of what Anna's secret is, like, the Monster of the Week 4.09 episode brought up an interesting point, which is that, like, our opening with Anna sees her move the cabinet, right? And like, they said that maybe the writers- like, maybe initial viewers would think that Anna is, like, another missing psychic kid, because, like, Sam's the other person we've seen do telekinesis who's like, a human. So then, like, the dad thing could be like, people might think that there's an Azazel thing going on here?

G: Ohh.

C: Which would be neat. And I feel like there are Sam and Anna parallels in the like, "something fundamentally wrong with you when you're a baby" thing, which is like, I wonder- I feel like there were opportunities for Sam and Anna to connect this episode that were never realized because they just shove her with Dean all the time.

G: Yeah.

C: But like, the one time that they do talk is when he's sort of like, trying to interrogate her in this scene, but also like, trying to be gentle about it. And like, I do want to know if he's like, "Wow, she's just like me for real" at any point.

G: I mean, you know Sam. He thinks that of everyone.

C: That's true.

G: He sees anyone, he's like, "Just like me for real." [C laughs]

C: Good for him.

C: So they go- oh, they don't go to Pamela's. They fetch Pamela to come to Bobby's place so that she can like, help with the whole Anna situation. And Sam goes up to say hi to her, like, in a way that you would like, talk to like, a spooked horse. [G laughs]

G: Yeah.

C: Which I think was a result of him being ableist.

G: Yeah.

C: 'Cause he's all like, "[whispering] Oh my god, Pamela! Hi!"

G: Hii.

C: Hii. And she goes, "Sam!" And he's like, "[whispering, emotional] It's me. It's Sam!"

G: "It's me!"

C: Like, okay, dude. Shut up. [G laughs]

She sort of plays along with him where she's like, "[whispering] Oh my god, Sam, is that you?" And then she goes like, "You know how I know it's you?" And then she slaps his ass- no, she grabs it, which, come on, Pamela.

G: No, I think she slaps it because there's a sound of like-

C: Okay. Yeah, okay, she slaps it. Come on, Pamela. I know this was like, established as her main personality trait in "Laz Rising" already, which was another Eric Kripke special.

I guess Pamela's just an Eric Kripke OC that he's like, "What if there was a MILF?" And like, I can respect that most of the time, but, like, come on, Pamela.

G: The- you know. I wouldn't classify her as a MILF, necessarily, but she is like, giving like, "Oh, this woman is older than Sam" vibes. And like, you know, like, in media, there is that stereotype of a woman who's like, older and like, "Oh, she's like, a cougar," like, "hypersexual," blah blah blah. And you know, just tired of it. And [laughing] they do it a lot in Supernatural. They're obsessed with MILFs, like, going up to Sam and Dean being like, "Heyy," and Sam being like, "Nah."

C: "No, you're old and ugly and smell bad."

G: Like, at some point- like, do you remember that one that's like, "Oh, older women is like cheese or fine wine-"

C: Oh, right, they age.

G: And Sam goes, [both] "I'm lactose intolerant." [laughing] He's so fucking funny.

C: Yeah, yeah, I've seen multiple posts that are like, "Sam is bisexual, except in 'Ask Jeeves,' he's definitely gay."

G: He is definitely gay there.

C: Yeah. She slaps his ass, calls it perky, and also says that "you could bounce a nickel off of that thing." Which like, yeah, at least, she's not saying Dean's like- what, "You could fit that ass on a nickel" or whatever the fuck he was saying about Casey in "Sin City." Like, at least she's saying the accurate phrase

And then she says, like, "I can tell it's you, and I can tell that it's like, a demon over there, and Anna over there," and like, she points accurately, "And that you've been looking at my boobs due to my psychic powers give me more senses than most." And this is just like, the end of them trying to engage with Pamela as a disabled character. Like, they just go like, "Well, she has powers, so she like, can basically see. The end." Which I find very, very annoying.

G: It is a little bit frustrating.

C: Yeah.

G: I mean, there is like, you know, at the end of Season 5- well, not the end, but like, throughout Season 5, they also do like, a whole disability arc with Bobby.

C: Oh, yeah, Bobby loses his legs or something, right? G: Yeah, loses mobility with his legs. And then, like, it gets returned to him by Crowley or whatever. And there is like, from what I remember, there is like, a substantial part where it's like, Bobby reckoning with like, "Oh, I lost this." But I don't remember how well it was actually handled.

C: Yeah, I doubt that it was handled well.

G: Let's look forward to it! C: Yayyy.

G: Yay.

C: Yeah, Pamela doesn't use a cane or anything, and like, there's a scene later where she like, closes Anna's eyelids, and like, have to be very precise like, in your vision to like, know where someone's eyelids are, and to like, not press hard enough to hurt them. So yeah, they just fully go like, "She's blind, but like, she's not."

G: "She's psychic!"

C: "She's psychic!" Ugh. Boring, overwrought, boo.

So she introduces herself to Anna, and says that she just wants to like, do this because she's mad at angels in general because Castiel burned her eyes out. And then, like, she takes off- oh, by the way, she's been wearing sunglasses the whole time, which is like, another media trope, or whatever, and like- I swear, like, I know that some blind people like, sunglasses, but like, unless they still have some vision and they're like, photosensitive, it's just to like, make other people feel better and I feel like in media, it's just so the actors who almost always are not blind can continue acting under the sunglasses without having to have contacts in. Very annoying. Yeah, she takes off her sunglasses and shows Anna that like, she has like, these plastic eyes that she's put in that are like, completely white. And she says that they're there to make her look extra psychic so that it's good for business. Which- And yeah, the the blind prophet, blind psychic thing is another, you know, trope in media throughout the ages that is like, another way of like, dehumanizing blind people by mystifying them. So like, yeah, we've got, we've got a lot going on in this in this brief scene.

G: Yeah.

C: But after that, Anna smiles at her in like, a very nice way. Like, all her teeth are showing, and like, we see this smile like, directed at Ruby last episode and directed at Dean last episode, when, like, Dean was being funny, and it made her feel better or whatever. And I just think that she has more chemistry with both Pamela and Ruby than like, she has with Dean. Like, it's not even a question.

G: It is- whatever quote-unquote "chemistry" she is supposed to have with Dean [C laughing], it's just not happening! Like, I'm so sorry.

C: It's just not. It's not there.

G: Well, first of all, the writing of their scenes together are a bit odd. Okay. Well, first, the thing I want to bring up about this scene is, I like the fact that when they were walking towards the room, they were like, holding each other. I thought that was really nice. Like, Anna's hands are wrapped around Pamela's waist, and Pamela has her like, arms around-

C: Aww.

G: Anna's shoulders, and that made me go, "Aww, that's so nice! They're friends, they're besties."

C: Yeah.

G: And the thing that I want to mention now is that- [sighs] like, the chemistry between Anna and Dean, I think a big part of it is that Dean just didn't seem interested in her, like, at all, until she was like, "I'm gonna give you a kissy-kissy!" And then suddenly, he is like, "Ah." [C laughs] I mean, but like, there was no part of him that was like, "Ooh, I have a crush on this girl," or like, whatever whatever. And I understand that like, it's a weird time., so like, he probably actually shouldn't. But like, I don't know. It's just odd that for once, Dean is normal about a woman. [C laughing] Like, they had like, a heart-to-heart earlier, and that wasn't tinged by anything. Like, it wasn't like- there was no endgoal of like, sex or whatever in that conversation. And they were talking like normal people. And I think, in the head, I was thinking, "Oh, they're gonna have sex after this. How odd. [C laughs] 'Cause there's nothing here."

C: There really isn't.

G: And you know what? Even right before they have sex, there was nothing there.

C: Yeah, yeah. Like, when she puts her hand on his face, it's so like, clinical and like, detached. I don't know. It's just. There's nothing there.

G: It's so odd!

C: I don't think that she wants to do anything, and I don't think that he wants to do anything.

G: Like- [laughing] the fact that Dean and Ruby had more chemistry in this episode [both laughing] than Dean and Anna is so funny to me.

C: Yeah.

C: Inside Bobby's panic room, Pamela, like, her special psychic abilities are counting down from 5.

G: Well, first of all, I want to point out the positioning in this room. So Anna is like, lying down, Pamela's right beside her. Dean is a little bit far away from them, but he's still in the room. Ruby is, of course, outside. [overlapping] Sam's by the door-

C: So he can hang out with her!

G: Super cute!

C: It's so cute.

G: They're in love.

C: They really are.

G: Sam and Ruby are fucking real.

C: God. So yeah, she decides to hypnotize Anna, but, like, all she does is say, like, "When I count down from 5, when I hit 0, you'll be in hypnosis." Like, were there like, any herbs, or like, anything that she brought her? Like, does she just have a special voice such that her counting down from 5 does something?

G: Yeah. She gives her the tingles from the ASMR. [C laughs]

C: Yeah. So, you know, she like, tells Anna, like, "Hey, relax, I'm counting down." And then she asks her about how she knew about the sigils, how she can hear the angels, and Anna says, "I don't know." [G laughs] And she asks about her dad. She says, "His name is Rich Milton."

G: [laughs] I love that.

C: Yeah. But yeah, Pamela tells her to look further back to like, when she was very young, and Anna like, starts resisting. She says she really doesn't want to think about that shit. And Pamela presses until Anna starts screaming like, "No, no, no! He's gonna kill me! He's gonna kill me!" And it's like, quite interesting, I think. She's like, thrashing around. And then she fucking explodes the lightbulbs in the room!

G: Yeah, ala Cas in the barn.

C: "Laz Rising" in the barn.

G: Which is like, I think, that was like, our first hint of like, "Oh. [both] She's an angel."

C: Yeah. Very fun, very cool And then, like, Dean, like, tries to approach to calm her down, and she sends him fly across the fucking room, baby.

G: Hell yeah. And Pamela just goes like, "Okay. You'll wake up in 1, 2..." [C laughs] Like, he literally just counts down and everything was okay.

C: And it works.

G: Batshit.

C: Yeah, I don't get how her psychic abilities work.

G: But I do love this shot of Pamela, like, holding down Anna's head. Like, as she lifts her hand, Anna's eyes, like, open. And she looks soo angelic.

C: She does. She does. Like, when she gets up, her hair is a bit mussed, but like, it looks fantastic like that.

G: Yeah. And then, agh, Anna goes like, "Thank you. That helped a lot. I remember now." And Dean asks the same question he asks Cas, like, the first time. "Who are you?" And it's so interesting to me, because Anna says, "I'm an angel."

C: Right, not of the Lord.

G: Compared to Cas's "I'm an angel of the Lord," it's, ahh!

C: Yeah, 'cause she's not of the Lord! G: She's not of the Lord, she's just an angel.

C: Agh. Yeah. Love her. Also, like, another fun detail is that I think during the hypnosis and stuff, like, there are moments where, like, Sam and Ruby are looking at each other, like, in a like, "Oh, what's going on? Huh?" sort of way. And like, I think that's really nice, because I think like, the person that you look at for, like, the "Huh, what's going on?" look in a room of people is like, your number one, you know what I mean?

G: Yeah. Yeah! I know what you mean.

C: Like, my favorite friend is the one that I'm looking at when I go, "Hey, what's going on?" And like, I assume that she's looking back at me. Like, yeah. Like, it's not Dean. Like, Ruby's his number one for this.

G: Hell yeah. I love it. Sam and Ruby, they're so real.

C: Yeah. [laughs]

G: I mean, they are real. But like, they are realer than- they are realer.

C: Yeah. I agree.

G: Anyway, we go back to upstairs, and- Fascinating to me that they were like, "Oh, we just found out that Anna is an angel, but let's go upstairs. Let's get out of the completely safe safe room." Yeah, they head upstairs, and Anna is making the argument that like, "Oh, I'm not like the others-"

C: Just like Ruby is not like other demons!

G: Ruby was like, "I don't find that reassuring." And Pamela's like, "Yeah, I don't either." But, you know, they have to deal with it.

So she reveals that Castiel and Uriel used to be her work buddies, and they were "in the same foxhole." That's what she used. And Dean goes, "So like, were they like, your bosses or something?"

C: Misogyny.

G: And Anna goes, "Try the other way around." And Dean just goes, "Look at you!" And I was like, "You are such a misogynist!" [C laughs] What a misogynist.

Yeah. And Anna is like, "Yeah, I have a death sentence on my head because I disobeyed," and yeah. She fell to earth and became human. And Anna says that the way you do this is you just rip out your grace, which- grace being like, the angel energy. You know what? It's still one of the weirdest things in this show, like, what does it mean?

C: Yeah, also, she didn't have a physical form in heaven or anything, did she? Or well, I guess she did have a physical form because she was stationed on Earth, but, like, how do you rip your grace out of yourself if, like, without a vessel, you are just, your grace, I'm assuming?

G: I have no idea. I have no idea what the fuck a grace is. [C laughs] 'Cause, I mean, later on in the show they do this thing where, like, anyone's grace can work for any angel.

C: But you get sick or something, right?

G: Yeah, but like, it's still so weird. I don't know. It's so odd.

C: Hmm. Don't know.

G: Anyway, she took out her grace, and then, you know, her mom got pregnant, and now she's here. And she just forgot. Because she forgor. Because, you know.

C: Yeah. She says that it hurts the way that it hurts if you try to cut your kidney out with a butter knife, which I liked. That's very powerful imagery. And like, a butter knife is not sharp. Like, you have to fucking hack at your skin for so long. Like, that's a fun image. Though, in the future, like, if you just make a little cut in an angel's throat, you can sippy-sip the grace out of them like a juice box, so who knows?

G: Yeah.

Ruby speaks up and says, "Oh, we are so fucking screwed," 'cause like, obviously angels want you dead, but Hell wants you alive to interview you. Like, you know, you're someone they can torture, someone they can kill.

C: "Sister, you're the Stanley Cup."

G: "Sister, you're the Stanley Cup." [C laughs] So- Eric Kripke is such an odd, odd writer. Can you believe he gave us gems such as-

C: "Lazarus Rising"?

G: - Season 2, Episode?

C: Yeah. "In My Time of Dying" was very good.

G: "In My Time of Dying" is still one of the- I would say, of all the episodes we have taken up in this show, it's gotta be like, my favorite thing to have talked about.

C: Yeah.

G: Like, that ep was amazing. But still, Eric Kripke- [C laughs] he's not winning things right now in this episode.

C: Yeah.

G: Anyway, Anna's, like, "Well, I'm just gonna get back my grace." And Dean makes some weird reference that's like, "Oh, you're just gonna take some divine bong hit, and then you're Roma Downey?" And Anna was like, "Yeah." [C laughs] You know what? I respect that. Like, if Dean, like, tries to, quote, "clarify" a statement [C laughs] that I just said by saying something that is so weird and obscure, I'll just be like, "Yeah, you're probably right. I don't give a shit." So I feel Anna in this sense.

Anyway, Anna was like, "Yeah, I don't know where my grace is, though, because I was, in fact, falling 10,000 miles per hour." And Sam was like, "Oh, you were literally falling?" And she was like, "Yeah." And Sam immediately went, "Ding-ding-ding-ding-ding! Were you falling in a way that like, is visible? Like, maybe like, a comet?" And Anna's like, "Huh. Why do you ask?" And then Sam is on research mode, baby!

C: Yeah. Yeah. So cute.

G: I love this. Like, usually when they do like, a Sam, like, "Oh, Sam's so smart!" thing, it feels a bit odd the way they do it. But this one, I actually really like. I like it because it's like, "Oh, he's such a quick thinker." And also he just knows, like, a lot of obscure shit. Like, my bet here is that some dated an astrology gay, and then he was like, "Oh, oh, yeah, there was a comet, huh? [both laughing] And it- did it retrograde whatever whatever?" And then now, he's just keenly aware of, like, the weird comet because it did, in fact, affect the astrological situation of 1985.

C: That is true. Yeah.

G: I love that.

C: I love that as well.

So yeah, he's in Bobby's library with Ruby, 'cause they're in love, and he finds a record of a meteorite that vanished in the night sky over northwestern Ohio in March of '85. And that was like, 9 months before Anna was born, and she was born in that area of Ohio. And Ruby says, "You're pretty buff for a nerd."

G: I love that.

C: Whcih is a fun line. I don't know if she would say that. Maybe she would. But I think it's fun, no matter what. And there was another meteor over Kentucky at the same time, so that was probably Anna's grace. You know, they don't really know what to do about that. But then Ruby starts apologizing. Like, she says, like, "I'm sorry for bringing you like, this whole mess, 'cause if I'd known that Heaven and Hell were after this girl, I just wouldn't have told you about it." She calls the two factions "Godzilla and Mothra."

G: Which does come back later.

C: Yeah. Yeah. And then, like, Sam's like, "Well, we can't just like, abandon Anna." And he's like, "Yes, I know, like, the angels scare you." And Ruby immediately is like, "I want to go into manipulative mode," and I love her for that. She's like, "[baby voice] Oh my god, no! I'm so scawed of Alastair, and I need you to exorcise him with your demon powers, and I need you to drink blood so that you can therefore exorcise him better!" And like, she's so correct.

G: Real.

C: And I think she is actually scared of him, because he sucks. And yeah, so she starts like, going hard in on the, "Your abilities are getting shitty. Like, you need to like, juice yourself up." And Sam's like, "How do I do that?" And Ruby is like, "You know." And okay, the thing is that we don't learn that it's demon blood until like- until what? Like, until 4.20?

G: Well, definitely before 4.20 because "On the Head of a Pin," it was already revealed.

C: Oh, it was already revealed?

G: Yeah.

C: Okay.

G: Not sure if that was the first reveal or not.

C: I feel like they're like, keeping it in the shadows right now. Like, they're trying to treat it like it's like some huge reveal. And like, is it supposed to be a huge reveal because it's like, "Oh, that's obviously bad." Like, is that what they're trying to say?

G: Yeah. They are.

C: I- stop kinkshaming.

G: "Sam's doing this deeply immoral thing," yeah. That's the point.

C: Ugh. Boring, tired, whatever. It's hot, and that's about all I feel about it.

You know, Sam goes like, "No, I'm not doing that anymore." And he, like, holds firm and Ruby, you know, respects that for now and says, like, "Okay, well, we are all going to fucking die [laughs] if Anna doesn't get her grace back, so let's see how this goes." Yeah. Meanwhile, we had our Samruby scene, and now we're like- what was the post that was like, "The plan for Season 4 was just like, for Sam to have an evil demon girlfriend and for Dean to have a nice angel girlfriend, but then Cas disrupted all that." So yeah.

G: I mean, that's allegedly what happened.

C: Yeah. Yeah. So we have Dean and his nice angel girlfriend that he has no chemistry with. And yeah, so we start with like, a shot of the night sky, which is pretty pretty and which I've used in several AMVs because it's the only one I'm aware of in Supernatural. And then Anna's like, hanging out, sitting on the hood of a car, looking at the sky. And, you know, Dean shows up. She asks if Pamela got home okay, which I know is just supposed to establish why Dean was gone, but I think it's because she has a thing for Pamela. And yeah, Pamela left because this was just too much, she didn't want to get involved. And he asks Anna- well, first of all, Anna says, like, "You guys should like, also leave and abandon me. Like, whatever." Dean does not want to do that. And then he asks why they saved him, like, why Cas raised him from Hell. And Anna says, like, "I don't have any info on that from angel radio."

G: [laughs] I love how every time they ask Anna anything, she's like, "I don't know." [both laugh] I respect that.

C: Yeah, yeah, she is just like me for real. Dean then asks why she chose to fall because people all suck. And Anna says, "I don't know. There's loyalty, forgiveness, love." And I like that she opens with loyalty because, like, I feel like anyone's immediate thought is like, "Don't angels have that already because of like, their faith and obedience to God?" But it's like, they are obedient to God, but they are not like, loyal to each other. Like, they will turn on each other no matter what, as long as the orders are given. So like, that would be something that you'd like, really want. Like, if you were going to fall to Earth, you'd be like, "I actually do want people who are loyal to me for me." So that's nice. And I like that forgiveness is the second one, because that comes up later. Dean, counters with pain, Annaa counters with chocolate cake, Dean counters with guilt, which, like, Sam's not here. What are you talking about? You're not the Catholic one. [G laughing]

G: He literally expresses so much guilt later in this episode.

C: Whatever. Like, he's not Sam. Who cares?

G: Whateber. Whateber.

C: Whateber. And then Anna counters with sex. And Dean's like, "Ahaha! You got me there!" And I guess like, that's supposed to be foreshadowing, which I don't know. What ever. Also, I I do want to hear about all of Anna's, like, college shenanigans. Because I'm assuming she didn't get to fuck much while she was like, in high school and such because her dad's like, what? Like, a priest? A dea- not a priest. Like a church guy. So yeah, whatever. I look forward to knowing about all the women she's slept with in college because that's canon to me. She goes on and says, like, the reason why she fell is for every emotion, even the bad ones, and she'd give anything not to go back. Which is odd given that she's currently like, looking for her grace to become an angel again? Like, is go back like, physically become an angel again, or like, going back to Heaven.

G: No, yeah. Becoming an angel. Like, the point here is that like, "Oh, I don't want to do it, but I have to do it because I have to survive."

C: Yeah, yeah. Alright, whateber. Anna should like, read a little about nature versus nurture. Dean says, like, "Oh, well, I hate feelings. Feelings are overrated. And you guys are powerful and perfect. You don't doubt yourselves, or God, or anything." Which I guess is- I feel like if I think about like, what Dean wants, those things aren't really top of the list, but the implication of the scene is like, he really, really desires these things. And I guess it's just because of the torturing people in Hell that he feels this way. So whatebs.

Yeah, Anna says that angles don't get to choose anything, they only get to obey. And then she says, "Dean, do you know how many angels have actually seen God? Seen his face?" And Dean says, "All of you?" And Anna says, "Four angels. Four. And I'm not one of them." Which I think is so cool. I feel like I am- like, last time when I said- or maybe in 4.07 when I said, like- Yeah, I think it is just like, the archangels saying like, "Oh, hey, guys, God like, totally said this." Like, that is what's happening. Like, all the orders are just one of the archangels going like, "Uh, I want something to happen. I'm gonna tell everyone that God said it." Or is it known that God is missing from Heaven. Or like, is that a reveal later?

G: I think that's revealed in "Dark Side of the Moon" with Joshua and Cas looking for him.

C: Cool, yeah, alright.

G: And that's why he throws the fucking necklace in the trash. [laughs] Jesus Christ. [C laughs] Truly a fucking necklace of all time.

C: Indeed. Dean goes, "Well, then, how do you even know there is a God?" And Anna says, "We have to take it on faith, which we're killed if we don't have." Who like, started this thing? Like, which archangel is like, "I'm gonna give the order that any angel without faith will be killed." I don't know. Seems like some Michael bullshit to me.

And then we get the information that Anna was stationed on Earth for 2,000 years, but all she did was like, watch. Which, like, I think that's cool. Like, what was her job? What was she watching for?

Because, like, Cas was not- was Cas stationed on Earth for the same amount time? Because, like, if she was his boss, were they all like, just here, hanging out and watching humanity? Because I feel like I just assume that Cas is oftentimes- like, is usually in Heaven and only came down, for, like, "Lily Sunder," and this. But like, was he actually here the whole time?

G: I have no idea. But there is the implication that he was down more than he thinks he is because of all the wipes.

C: The memory wipes, yeah. Okay.

And she says she was "Silent, invisible, out on the road, sick for home, waiting on orders from an unknowable father I can't begin to understand." Which, you know, is phrased like one of those "then I would have two nickels posts." Like, just so specifically vague so that Dean could be like, "OMG, she's just like me for real."

G: I mean, specifically, she was like, "I'm on the road," like, why-

C: Yeah, like, no you weren't! You weren't on the road!

G: You were not on the road

C: [laughing] You were literally not on that road.

Like, sometimes the fact that this is the Sam and Dean show and every character as a mirror is like, interesting to me, and sometimes like, in this case, I just wish that she could just be Anna.

So, you know, Dean starts laughing. And she's like, "What? What's so funny?" And he's like, "Oh, I can relate. Due to how you phrased that so that it doesn't even have anything to do with your experience and only has things to do with my experience." And then Sam shows up and says, like, "Hey, I found some info." So they cut to Bobby's library.

G: Back inside, they start talking about the field that basically like, in the span of 6 months, an oak just grew there, and it was like, the biggest oak in the area. And it was like, "It's a century old!" and they do this bit where it's like, "Oh, like, instead of a crater, instead of like, destruction, the grace was pure creation." [C laughs] So corny!

Anyway, they're driving down, and it's night. This scene is so odd to me, because it's like, it doesn't matter, and it's like, they've filmed an entire car scene-

C: For a sex joke.

G: - which I know takes forever to do. But they filmed this solely to make this joke of like, Sam and Dean are in the front seat, and Ruby and Anna are in the backseat, and Dean just goes, "Ha. So funny," and Ruby is like, "What is it?" And Dean's like, "Yeah, it's just an angel and a demon riding in the backseat. It's like, a set up to a bad joke or a Penthouse Forum letter," which I have no idea what that is. I'm assuming it's some form of pornography.

C: Yeah, let me look up Penthouse Forum just to-

G: And like, the thing is, it's so nonsense. It's like, what is the point here?

C: I don't know. At least we have a shot of Anna and Ruby sitting next to each other that people can put in an Annaruby gifset.

G: I think one of the funniest things, like, Impala bits ever in this show is still that one where in "No Exit," I think, when Sam and Jo are in the backseat, [C laughs] and Ellen and Dean are in front, and it was your typical like, "Oh, like, the person you respect should be like, in the front seat, and then the kids are in the back," that's legitimately what it felt like. And I thought it was so funny. And you know what? This one? It's nothing to that. That's peak comedy. That's peak car comedy.

But yeah, they arrive at the field, and there's just a beautiful oak, and it looks so like, fantasy land! It's like, "Wow, there's an oak! There might as well be waterfall on this side of the oak with how beautiful this all this is!"

C: Yeah, there's moss on it. It looks great.

G: Yeah. Anna approaches it, and the grace is not there. Somebody has taken it.

C: Yep.

C: We're in some barn that they're in shelter, and they're all like, panicking a bit and trying to come up with plans. And you know, Ruby says, like, "Anna can't protect us. So yeah, we could maybe fight like, one side of Heaven or Hell, but we cannot do both." And then, apparently on radio- on angel radio- there's like, a looped recording that says, like, "Dean Winchester gives us Anna by midnight, or we hurl him back to damnation."

G: Hell yeah.

C: And Sam immediately goes like, "Anna. Do you know of any weapon that works on an angel?" And Anna goes like, "What? To kill them?" and Sam's like, "Uh-huh." which I think is so fun.

G: He's so real.

C: Yeah, Sam's arc, it has moved very quickly, but I do think it's fun that he's now immediately down to murder angels. And okay, the thing is that, like, Sam doesn't actually kill an angel until Miriam in 13.01.

G: Yeah.

C: which is like, wow. Like, he's down for it here, but like, his first angel kill is in season 13.

G: No, because in Supernatural, they do this thing where Sam's main weapon is the demon knife, and Dean's main weapon is the angel blade. Which, I fundamentally think that's so fucking interesting. But yeah, so basically, when they're being attacked, and it's by demons, it's Sam's thing. And then when it's angel's, it's Dean's thing. And it's just like, a fascinating thing that they do.

C: Huh.

G: I don't even think it's on purpose. I think it's just they just wanted Sam to have the demon knife-

C: Yeah, his great-aunt Ruby's demon knife.

G: Yeah, they just stick him to the demons instead of the angels.

C: Yeah. Huh. Neat.

Anna says, "There's nothing that we can get to right now." You know, Dean's like, "We gotta get Bobby back from hedonism." [G laughs] Okay. Whatever. But yeah. They can't come up with any good plans. And then we cut to the woods, and Dean's like, reading a book by the car, and Anna approaches him and says that like, she's scared, but she wants to thank him for like, what he and Sam and Ruby have done to help her. And- [sighs] I just- she would not say that! They're like, "Oh, to really hammer in the parallels, we're gonna have Anna say, 'Maybe I don't deserve to be saved.'" Like. Okay? Like, unless this this is about like, her angel memories coming back and her remembering being like, really ruthless and killing people or whatever, but like, that just- that doesn't come up. Like, none of her angel history is even hinted at here besides that it exists because it's like, the Dean show right now. And I'm booing and hissing about that. She says that like, "Well, I disobeyed God, and, like, Lucifer disobeyed God, so that means that I'm just like him for real." And Dean says, like, "Okay, well, we we've all done things that we have to pay for." And he looks really uncomfortable. And Anna's like, "Okay, I have to tell you something, which is that on angel radio a week ago, I heard them talking about you, and I heard them talk about what you had done in Hell." And she goes, like, "It wasn't your fault. You should forgive yourself." And Dean's like, "I don't want to talk about that." And then she says something about how like, "Oh, like, when you can talk about, you can talk to me." And she puts like, her hand on his face and says, like, "You're not alone.? Which I guess is what Ruby said before she kissed Sam, right? Something like that? Was it "You are not alone"?

G: Yeah, I think so.

C: Okay, so yeah, they're really trying to do those parallels. And then she kisses Dean, and he goes, like, "Why'd do you do that?" due to the fact that they have no chemistry. Like, the kiss, is also so- like, they also kiss later, like, in front of Cas and Uriel. And it's also so like, it's like their mouths are covered in like, plastic wrap. [G laughing] You know? Like, they're just sliding off each other.

G: And the thing is, it's not like- like, I feel like I can recognize chemistry when I see it. Like, I thought Cassie and Dean wanted to fuck each other so bad it made them look stupid.

C: Yes.

G: But like, this one. It just doesn't work. Something about it.

C: They're just not into each other. They just aren't.

Yeah. And then, like, she says, like, "You know, it's our last night on Earth!" And Dean says, "You're stealing my best line." Except I did the Supernatural transcript search, and this is the first instance of the "last night on Earth" in Supernatural. Anna invented it, not Dean.

And then some corny-ass song starts playing. Apparently it's "Ready for Love" by Bad Company.

G: [laughing] Yeah.

C: It's- yeah. I don't know. It's like, an extended sex scene. Like, it's longer than the Deancassie one, right? Like, I feel like it just took so long.

G: Yeah. There's a lot of like, caressing and touching and like-

C: Taking off clothes...

G: - they change positions.

C: Yeah, blah blah blah.

G: [laughing] And there's one where, like, I mean, I think that's the thing that most people remember from this is like, Anna puts her hand over the handprint.

C: Yes.

G: Which I think is so funny. [laughs] But what I basically remember from this is the like, the way like, it pans down to their legs-

C: There's a weird shot of Dean like, gripping her like, thighs or something?

G: I thought it was so odd the first time I watched this.

C: What was that for? Like, who? What? Okay. [G laughs]

C: Yeah. So yeah. Right. What was she thinking with the handprint thing?

G: I have no idea.

C: Yeah, I guess they were just like, "This will look cool." And then we get, you know, the most famous Supernatural shot of all time, which is like, the outside of the Impala. The inside is all fogged up, so you can't see anything. And then, like, a hand- is it Dean's hand? I don't even know.

G: I think it's Anna's.

C: Okay. There's a hand on like, the window like, because her like, arm is flung out, or whatever, and it like, slides down the foggy window, leaving a mark.

G: Yeah.

C: And, you know. Very, very important for anyone who wants to imply car sex for any characters who do not have car sex.

G: The next scene is like, Sam and Ruby, except Sam is asleep and Ruby is sneaking out, and as she sneaks out, she burns her hex bag so that Alistair can find her. Which he does. And Alastair taunts her with the knife, and she's like, "Yeah, I'm not here for that. I'm here to talk." And her argument was, "I'm gonna give you the girl as long as you promise me and the Winchester boys' safety." Two more people show up, and is like, holding Ruby. Alastair is like, "I'm gonna make you a counter offer."

C: Also, he calls her like, "A devious, [overlapping] cowardly little slut." I just- I'm so so sick of all the Ruby insults being like, "You're a slut. You're a whore." Like, shut up! Ugh. I'm very sick of the gendered insults.

G: So as you can see from the way this scene is framed, Ruby is sneaking out from Sam. The thing that they do later, where it's like, "This was our plan all along!" [C laughs] just seems more and more stupid.

C: Yeah, I mean, I guess it's like, in retrospect, it's supposed to be like, "Oh, she's not actually sneaking out because they already agreed that they would do this at a certain hour, and Sam just happened to be asleep at the hour." Which is like, okay!

G: Sam's just sleepy!

C: Yeah, he's just eepy.

So next, we cut to the barn, but like, it is not the real barn; it is Dean's dream. So fun. Uriel shows up, and he says to him, "Look at that! It's so cute when the monkeys wear clothes." Which, he really is the funniest angel in the garrison. Like, they have been wearing clothes the whole time, so this is a weird time to bring it up. But, like, I don't know. It's a fun line. Dean says some shit. He says, "I don't normally see you off-leash. Where's your boss?" At what point was there any implication that Cas was Uriel's boss?

G: I mean, there was.

C: Really?

G: Yeah, like, he keeps on stopping Uriel from doing shit.

C: I just assumed that they were like, the same level or whatever, you know? Like, I didn't see anything in their behavior to indicate that, like, Cas had, like, the ultimate authority over him or anything. Like, yeah, Uriel will make a suggestion and Cas will be like, "Uh-uh," but like, it'll be uh-uh because, like, "Remember what the orders are." That just seems like two coworkers in the same position where, like, one of them is more of a stickler for the rules. It never felt like, "Remember what my orders are, or else I'll fire you," or like, whatever the fuck, you know?

G: Yeah. I think Dean has just has it in his head that Cas is "the boss" here. 'Cause like, the way he talks to Anna about it like, "Oh, Cas, was your boss?" and the way he talks to Uriel, "Cas is your boss."

C: Doesn't he say, "Oh, Cas and Uriel were your bosses?"

G: Yeah. But like, from context clues, he thinks Cas is Uriel's boss, and he thinks Cas and Uriel are Anna's boss. He thinks Cas is, for some reason, like, a bigger deal than he actually is.

C: Yeah. I- yeah. It just feels odd. Also, like, I just would assume that, like, the guy who has been sent to like, do the communications work with the humans would be like- like, if I had to choose, I'd say Uriel is the boss.

G: Because he thinks he's so fucking special! [C laughs] Like, that's the whole point.

C: Yeah, yeah. Just like in "Creep" by Radiohead.

G: That's true! [both laugh] Well, I think it's the opposite of what they think in "Creep" by Radiohead.

C: No, I'm saying the whole like, "You're so fucking special / I wish I was special." Dean's the creep in Radiohead.

G: No! Dean is, like, the one being creeped towards in "Creep" by Radiohead.

C: Oh, wait, okay, so Cas-

G: Because he already thinks he's so special.

C: Oh, right. He does think he is so special. Okay, yes, you got it. Correct. But yeah.

Right, so he thinks that like, because he's so special, anyone who's sent to talk to him is the boss, even though, like, all like, public outreach work, is like, not done by the boss, unless it's like, for publicity or what- whatever, I guess the angels aren't like, an actual company. I can't apply the same logic. But I think that Dean's assumption makes no sense whatsoever. And this is like, the second time that, like, he's assumed that, like, someone was a boss and like, I don't think they are, but I guess Supernatural does think that Cas is Uriel’s boss. Which, I don't know. I don't agree. Anyway. So yeah, Uriel goes like, "Castiel. Oh, he's not here. See, he has this weakness. He likes you." Which, yeah, okay, we are witnessing Destiel in real time. And, you know, he's like, "Okay, give us Anna." And Dean's like, "No, she has her grace back so like, she could totally beat your ass." And Uriel's like, "Uh, no, she doesn't. 'Cause I have it in a necklace around my neck." And he makes the bad move of showing it to Dean so that he knows where it is. Anna committed a serious crime, and so she cannot be forgiven, she cannot be an angel again. And Uriel's like, "She's not even human, technically, so why are you protecting her?" Which, I mean, does track with like, the former hunter track record of Sam and Dean. So I get that as an argument. And Dean's like, "Oh, I just like bothering you guys." And then, like, Uriel is like, "Wait, no. There's more." And then he just turns into like, a total like, bro. Like, he's chuckling-

G: Whatever the fuck they're doing with Uriel this episode is so odd. It is so odd.

C: He would not fucking say that! He's like, "You cut yourself a slice of angel food cake, didn't you?" And he's like, chortling and slapping Dean on the back, and like, doing like, chest bumps with him, and buying another round of jalapeno poppers. Like, it's so odd.

Dean, says, like, "Who cares? You're junkless down there. Like a Ken doll." Which, this is just like, an insult thing that he's doing. It's an odd thing to say, but Dean says odd things all the time. But he knows that Cas is possessing, like, a real guy. So like, wouldn't Uriel also be possessing a real guy? Most likely, there would be- Whatever. Whatever. Who cares? Dean wins if I think about what he says.

And Uriel threatens to put them back in Hell 'cause he says that "This is a whole lot bigger than the plans we have for you." Which, what does that mean? Like, Uriel is bluffing right? Like, they do need Dean. Like, getting Anna back is not actually that high of a priority for them.

G: Yeah.

C: Okay, so Dean's like, "Okay, throw me back in Hell." And Uriel does not. And he says, like, "I just have to know where to apply the right pressure to get you to give Anna up." Then we cut - I know later, like, Anna says, like, "Oh, they must have said that they would kill Sam if they didn't- if you didn't give me up." But like- so that's the implication? Like, we're just supposed to take that?

G: Yeah.

C: Okay, it just didn't feel particularly like that was implied in any way. But whatever. It was all their grand plan-

G: I mean, it's a hidden thing. It's like, "Oh, yeah, bullshit bullshit."

C: Blah blah blah blah blah. Okay. Yeah, whatever. And it was their grand master plan all along.

G: They didn't have to say it. They didn't have to say it.

C: Yeah.

G: But anyway. We are at the fucking torture chamber. [laughing]

C: Is this the inauguration of the fucking boob strap torture table?

G: Of the boob strap! [laughing] We are at the boob strap torture chamber.

C: It's like, one of the worst things Eric Kripke has ever done.

G: Yeah. And it originated from him.

C: Yeah.

G: Yeah, basically, Alistair's there, torturing Ruby. He's saying a bunch of shit like "I don't like it here on Earth because, like, there's no flayed meat or whatever. But you know what? Let's just stay here and like, whatever." Like, he's just taunting Ruby.

C: You know what? If they put her in a little German girl bluntensmoken outfit for this, maybe I wouldn't be so mad.

G: What the hell are you talking about?

C: I'm talking about the table that Dean got strapped to in "Monster Movie."

G: Ah. [laughs] Okay.

Yeah, anyway, Alastair was like, "Oh, so, now, are you gonna tell me where Anna is?" And Ruby's like, "No, because if I tell you, you'll kill me. But you know what? I'll show you."

So we're back at the barn, and Sam's like, "Where's Ruby?" [laughing] This is getting stupider and stupider every- like, in retrospect. Anyway.

C: Yeah, I mean, the implication here is like, "Oh, 'cause like, she's supposed to be back by now, for like, the plan."

G: Yeah, I suppose so. But Dean is drinking, and Anna is asking if he's okay. He's like, "Yeah, I'm okay." And the implication here is like, he's stressed out from the dream, and like, blah blah blah! But apparently, this is part of their plan. The doors bust open! Castiel and Uriel enter. Yeah, they they say hello to Anna, and Sam's like, "[gasps] How did you find us?" And Cas starts this thing where, like, he just communicates by looks. And he like, looks over at Dean, and Sam's like, "[gasps] Dean?"

C: "How could you?"

G: But yeah. And Dean is like, "I'm sorry." And Anna is like, "I know what happened. They were either gonna kill me or kill you, Sam. I know how their filthy, filthy minds work." [C laughing] And Anna and Dean kiss goodbye. And there's like, [both laughing] a reaction shot from Cas. What an-

C: Just Cas! Why just Cas? Like, this entire scene, it's just cutting between like, the Winchesters and Anna, and then, like, just close-ups on Cas's face. Like, Uriel to is in this scene.

G: They don't give a shit. They literally are just like, "It's just Cas, and he's just gonna have the most mournful look in his eyes."

C: Well, yeah, I mean, the way that people cut it is like, they cut it so that it's just like, him looking down on the kiss. But what happens is that like, he doesn't look down.

G: He stares.

C: Anna says, "I forgive you," and then that's what he looks down in a way. Like, I feel like that's just what he is being affected by.

G: Anna turns around, and he says, like, "Okay. I'm not running anymore. I'm ready." And like, the music swells, and it's such, like, a fucking big scene, like, it feels like a big scene. [C laughs] And the thing about Supernatural that I always find so funny is they would do this, like, dramatic like, "before the commercial" scenes. And then, for us, there's no commercial. [laughing] So it just picks back up-

C: Like, they just keep talking after the swelling music.

G: Yeah. [laughs] And like, the angle of the camera changes so it's like, from a close-up on Anna's face to just like, a wide shot, and it's always the funniest thing. Yeah.

Cas says, "I'm sorry," and Anna, reiterating the whole, like, "Angels don't feel the same" thing goes like, "You're not. You don't know the feeling." Cas is saying that like, "Still. We still have history, despite all that." And Anna goes like, "I know, but like, orders are orders. So whatever." And then, suddenly, Alastair comes in, and he hastwo demons that are holding Ruby. And like, the way that this is- the way that the blood is placed on her, it looks like- like, it's like, on her lower abdomen. Like, all the bleeding is from her lower abdomen. Which is such a visual. It's such a violence against women kind of like, visual. You know what I mean?

C: Yeah, yeah.

G: Because, like, that's where your reproductive organs are located. Like, your uterus and stuff.

C: Mm.

G: And, I don't know. It's just- like, I do wonder sometimes like, "Oh, if Ruby was not in a woman vessel, is this the kind of like, visual that they would do for like, bloody?" Like, nothing is on your face, you know? And I understand that like, it's because she wasn't beat up. She was tortured. Like, just there? She wasn't tortured anywhere else? I don't know. It's just- it sure was- I have reason to believe that it's like, a gender-motivated kind of placement of blood.

C: Yeah. And wasn't that where Mary's blood was? And Jess's?

Yeah. And also Eric Kripke's in "The French Mistake." [G laughing]

G: Yeah!

C: That's equality.

G: Yeah. Anyway, Alastair is like, "Oh, don't touch a hair on that girl's head. We're gonna take her." And then Uriel starts barging towards him.

C: He calls him a pussing sore, which I think is so fun. Like, the old Uriel is back, baby. They just like, make him weird whenever women are involved, seems like what happens here. Like, he's normal, like, doing his normal insults. But also, like, in the past, he just called Ruby a stain. Like, this is Eric Kripke just being weird about women.

G: Anyway, like, they just start trash talking each other. And then finally, they start attack.

C: I'm so disappointed in this fight scene. Like, it's literally angels versus demons, and they're just punching each other. [both laugh]

G: I was reading through the transcript, and there's just a line that's like, "Demon: AAH!" [C laughing] I respect that.

But yeah, that is what happens. Uriel starts exorcising the demons that he can lay his hands on-

C: He smites them. Like, they're dead for real. Like, they're not exorcised.

G: Yeah yeah yeah.

C: Which, is that the first time we see smiting?

G: Yeah, I suppose so.

C: It looks pretty cool.

G: Cas is also there. [C laughs] And he goes straight to Alastair. And he tries to smite Alastair, but it doesn't work, and, Alastair goes- What's that? He says- What did you say?

C: "Sorry, kiddo, [overlapping] why don't you go run back to Daddy?"

G: Yeah. Hell yeah. Alastair like, beats Cas up and like, now they're on the floor, and he is choking the hell out of Cas, and he is trying to send Cas back to Heaven, I assume. And then Dean comes to the fucking rescue with a crowbar and crows the bar over Alastair's head. And Alastair is like, "Oh, Dean, it's you. I'm so disappointed because you were such a promising young man." And Anna just sees an opportunity. Because, like, Uriel is choking or like, I don't know, like, smitng a demon. And she just takes the grace from him and then shatters it on the crowd, and then it enters her body. And she just screams over and over again, "Shut your eyes! Shut your eyes! Shut your eyes!" And then a very bright light happens. And now, she is an angel, and she has also completely disappeared.

C: Yup. And Alastair disappears with the bright white

G: Alastair? Oh, yeah. Like, he gets like, disappeared because of the angel grace, I assume.

C: Yeah. So they have the knife.

G: I mean, like, Cas does that. Remember? Or well, "remember," but like, he does that. And it's one of my favorite scenes. It's in season 8, I think.

C: Oh, yeah.

G: And he just lights up. And like, the threat, was like, the demon or whatever - I think it was Crowley or whatever - something stupid like that [C laughs]. It was like, "Oh, you're not gonna do it," and then Cas just goes like, "Try me." Or like, "You wanna bet?" or something, and then he just lights up. I love that!

C: Good for him.

G: If you light up, and you're an angel, you can expel a demon. Good for you.

C: Good for you!

G: Dean taunts Uriel. He's like, "Oh, are you gonna run after Anna, or are you scared?" Whatever whatever. Cas, like, stops Uriel and looks at Dean, and then they disappear.

C: Now that I think about it, if the plan was to let the angels and demons fight it out so that Anna could escape, like, Dean broke from plan by like, taking time to save Cas. Well, I guess love is real.

G: And then they just go, like, "It was Sam's plan all along." [C snorts] And then Sam goes like, "Oh, Anna must be so happy now that she's an angel." [both laughing] Which is such a funny thing to say. She literally did say, like, "I stopped being an angel because I was so miserable."

C: Did she say that to him, though?

G: Yeah! She said it to everyone. And like Pamela, Ruby, like, everyone was there when she said that. Okay, well.

C: Yeah, Dean says, "I doubt it."

C: So we cut to like, the epilogue, and it's just like, they're sitting on the Impala with beers. Aren't they tired of this by now? This happened so often. And Dean is finally like, "I know that you heard when Alastair said that, like, I had promise and shit." And Sam says, like, "Okay, but I'm not going to push you to tell me anything that you don't want to." And then Dean finally does open up. He's like, "It wasn't 4 months. Like, 4 months on Earth was around 40 years." And some makes an- reacts in the most underwhelming way possible.

G: He's just like, "Oh, damn." [laughs]

C: Yeah, he just like, shakes his head, and is like, "My god." Like, that's what you say when you like, hear a story about like, someone's cousin's cat getting run over, you know? Like, he's just like, "Oh. That sucks." And Dean's like, "Okay, like, the way the torture works is like, basically, they slice all like, your flesh and stuff off of you, and then probably also chop up your bones or whatever afterwards. And then like, that's a day, and then at the end of the day, you get like, made whole again, so that they can do it again." And then he said that like, at the end of each day, Alastair would come over and say that Dean could stop being tortured if he started torturing other souls. And for 30 years he held out and said no. But then, like, he couldn't do it anymore, and he did start torturing people, like, a bunch of people. He doesn't know how many. And the things he did to them were bad. And he's like, crying, or whatever the fuck, I guess. And Sam's like, "Hey, man, like, 30 years is way longer than anyone else would have held out!" And Dean's like, "[overdramatic] How I feel? This? Inside me? [overlapping, G laughing] I wish I couldn't feel anything, Sammy. I wish I couldn't feel a damn thing." He's so corny.

G: I love it. It's so corny. It's so like, Dean Winchester, you know? His single man tear is, in fact, falling down his face.

C: Yeah. Oh, this is the episode with the deleted scene with Cas and Uriel in the forest!

G: Yeah.

C: Okay, so it seems like they're in the woods, and Cas says that he "prayed on it," and the orders he received - so he receives orders by prayer? That's neat. - is that like, they aren't supposed to like, touch Sam Winchester. But like, when Uriel asks, "Why?" Cas says, "When have they ever told me why?" which is fun. Both of them are having a little bit of questioning. Uriel’s like, "Oh, but like, he has demon blood, and it's probably his fault that the demons showed up to fight us." Oh, right. Because I guess because they failed to give Anna, according to the ultimatum, they are supposed to go back and kill Sam. But they aren't.

G: But they're not. They can't kill a Ruby, too, because apparently, Heaven forbids it.

C: Yeah, and Uriel insults her in the same way again-

G: [laughs] Yeah.

C: Which is like, okay, Eric Kripke.

G: There is another deleted scene, and it's basically the scene where it's revealed that Anna is hearing from angel radio, right, that, like, Dean Winchester should give us by midnight or he's going to be back to Hell. And the only difference is literally Dean going, "Why only me? [C laughs] Why only me? Why are they singling me out? [both] It was Sam's fault too!" [both laughing]

C: God. So real.

G: [laughing] They are literally siblings. They are literally fucking siblings. It's so funny.

C: Yeah, it seems that the end of the scene is Uriel going, "What the fuck. What do you mean we can't kill all these people? You're joking." And Cas says, "I don't joke." and that clearly, up there thinks that Ruby and Sam are both somehow important to this apocalypse thing. And Uriel's like, "This sucks so bad." And Cas says, "You are proposing disobedience. Like Anna." You know what I'll have to do. And then Uriel leaves angy, and he says, "I'm going to go kill something." In another world, he would be a really good hunter. Alright. I guess that was the episode.

G: Yeah.

C: What do you think about it?

G: It's okay. I don't really give a shit about it.

C: I wa's fine.

G: Yeah. I don't even know what our best line is.

C: I liked the reveal that only four angels have seen the face of God. [G laughs]

G: Well, I know what my worst line is. Anna going, "Why don't you say it to my face?" [both laughing] and then they do, and she has absolutely no response to anything.

C: God, she's so funny.

G: I don't know, it was funny as hell. [both laughing] She's so real.

Literally like, "Why don't you ask me to my face?" "Well, is there anything you have to tell us?" [both] "No." [both laughing]

C: What's your best line?

G: I don't know. I think my best line has to be... "You're pretty buff for a nerd." [both laughing] I'm just bullshitting. Well, I thought that was funny. I didn't have a little chuckle.

C: Yeah, that was pretty funny. Also, when Cas said, "And?" That was pretty funny.

G: So real. We are heartless.

C: Yeah. I guess my first line was the four angels have seen the face of God thing. And my worst line is every time they made Uriel be weird about women, because he would not fucking do that.

G: Yeah, he's weird about everyone. Don't get wrong. But like, he's weird in a normal way.

C: Yeah, he's weird in an angel way about everyone. But he's weird in-

G: Yeah, not a misogynist way.

C: - like, a misogynist human man way when it comes to like, Ruby and Anna.

G: That's Eric Kripke.

C: Yeah, that's Eric Kripke.

G: Okay. Well, what's our spreadsheet?

C: Let us spread those sheets. So we have- misogyny, yes we do.

G: I think a 2.

C: I think a 2 was what I was saying also. For racism, I- I feel like the more Uriel we get, and the more that they try to differentiate him and Cas and Anna, the more it feels racist. But I don't know what point value to give that. I feel like it seems like a situation where I would just give 1 for every single episode that he's in because it's just sort of like, there. But I don't know. Like, is it more?

G: I think this is the episode that starts it. And by "it" I do mean, like, all the Black angels that they have have this problem.

C: Besides Joshua? Is Joshua-

G: Joshua! Yeah, yeah. Joshua is like, a one-off angel. So we don't really see him like, develop as a character and everything, unlike Uriel and Raphael.

C: Yeah.

G: I love now that like, [mocking voice] I'm a podcaster, like, I say, "Raphael" in such an American way. "Raphael."

C: What way would you usually say it?

G: Well, Rah-feh-ELLuh. So, I don't know. Like, the stress is in a different place.

C: That makes sense.

C: Okay, yeah, this episode starts the trend of Black angels in Supernatural being antagonistic. And yeah, there are elements of this where, like, yeah, they give him misogyny against white women, which is something that we saw in both Gordon and Henriksen as a way to like, make you dislike this Black man. And like, he is the one who gets his hands dirty a lot more in the fighting. So yeah, it's- there's stuff. There's stuff. But I don't know what the number is.

G: I would say it's a 2 here.

C: Yeah, yeah, I think a 2 makes sense to me.

G: And homophobia...

C: I don't recall anything?

G: Oh my god, we're 0 across the board in Season 4. Wait, we're not.

C: No, we gave one homophobia point for no reason in "Wishful Thinking" [both laughing] just because we got bored of so many zeros. Well, Dean just called Amarettto and Irish Cream a girl drink, and we were like, "Well."

G: Yeah!

C: [both laughing] "We need to put a number in homophobia at some point. This is just as bad as everything else that's ever happened in the other columns," even though it really isn't.

G: Okay, well, that was our spreadsheets.

C: We already put it there. We don't take back points.

G: Okay, now, let's do our IMDb.

C: Alright. Well... Because "I Know What You Did Last Summer" only got an 8.6, even though I think it was like, pretty cool.

G: This one, I think, is an 8.3.

C: I'm- I'm gonna guess an 8.4. I feel like some people will be like, "It's so cool how they like, one-upped them," blah blah blah blah blah, "Of course Sam would come up with a plan like that."

G: Okay. Ugh, so corny. Okay, let me check.

Holy shit!

C: What?

G: It's an 8.8!

C: For what? Sick.

G: This is one of the worst episodes of Season 4. Bruh.

C: No it's not. [both laugh] But it's definitely a let-down after 4.09.

G: I don't know. Everyone's just like, "Yeah, this happened," which is what I feel about this episode. Like, yeah, it sure did happen. This one says, "One great scene does not make a good episode."

C: What was the great scene?

G: "I swear most people who rate this episode highly are almost exclusively thinking about Dean's 'It was 40 years.' It is one of the best scenes in the show. Acting-"

C: What?

G: "- writing, directing all come together to make a heartbreaking scene. Unfortunately, nothing else in this episode is worthwhile." [C laughs]

C: I guess we do have to think about how like, a lot of these reviews come from people who didn't know about the 40 years and like, torture shit, so like, this is a bigger deal. Like, all the reveals that we're like, "Blah blah blah, yeah, here's the episode where it's revealed," like, they don't know. So maybe it does seem neat. But also, like, it's been heavily hined out.

Yeah, no. This person agrees with me. "The fact that it's the same ridiculously overpowered people involved who could snap their neck with a twist just end up fist fighting. Hate it. As the mythology develops, angels and demons become more pathetic." [laughs]

G: Everyone is saying that the sex scene was bad.

C: Good. It was bad.

G: And like, lot of them are saying that it's corny because of the hand in the car window, right?

C: The hand in a car window is very important.

G: It is important. People hate the demon/angel shit. This person is like, "Oh, each episode drags on after the introduction to the demon/angel war." And this person is mad, because, like, "You should be faithful to the Christian interpretation!" blah blah blah.

C: Oh yeah, I saw that person. Yeah, yeah. "Heaven is a holy place without sin, not some horrid battleground with political agendas. That could never happen!" [laughs]

G: Wild.

C: Okay. There's someone who like, I think, made an account just to say this because their account is "AnnaShade." And they say that they don't like Anna because "She has driven kind of a wedge between the brothers."

G: Why?

C: "I don't think it's technically supposed to be there, but it is. They were kind of separate through both episodes of Anna." Like. Okay?

G: [laughing] This person is mad that Dean helps Ruby even though Sam is unconscious, like, a few steps away. [C laughing] Dasurv. I don't give a shit about Sam.

C: That's soo funny. Huh. This person asks, "Where is the humor of the two first seasons?" What do you mean? Was it funnier in the first two seasons? [G laughs]

G: I have no idea. I mean, it's obviously not. You know what's funny? I was thinking about this the other day because I saw this post that was like, "Oh, I was so happy when I was in high school. Like, I wasn't happy at the time, but in retrospect, I was happy."

C: [laughs] Oh my god.

G: I feel like that's how I feel about it, like, season 1 and 2. At least Season 1 of Supernatural.

C: Yeah, I'm like, "Oh my god, Season 1 was so good." And then I remember that, like, “Bugs” and “Route 666,” and like-

G: Like, we were dragging our feet. Like, we spent through that season because we were doing two episodes at the time, but like, it was wild. Like, we didn't like most of that season. But now we're like, "Oh, what a golden season! What a golden era of Supernatural!" [C laughs] And like, we were so annoyed by everything.

C: We really were! There's a lot of like, negative reviews in this section, even though it has an 8.8. I'm so glad that people are being haters.

This one says, "I don't liked the last scenes of sex, either. I see them unnecessary, though I know that the 13-year-old girls are charmed with if more than anything for seeing the Dean's back."

G: "The Dean?" [laughs]

C: Yeah. [laughs] "But they fall in love with two supernatural girls. Why not human girls? It's not serious and is stupid." [laughing]

G: Real.

C: Okay. Someone else says, "I really don't like the way evil is winning over big time, and if this is the way the series will continue to play out, I will stop watching."

G: You don't like it when people are evil? That's so sad.

C: It is so sad. And the last person's just really mad Dean said "stick it where the sun shines" instead of "stick it where the sun don't shine."

G: But like, I think the point of that is like, the sun doesn't shine in Hell. So like, "Fuck off away from me." [C laughs] Like, I feel like that's the vibe.

C: Yeah, yeah.

G: So I think they're actually like, doing a subversion of that phrase, and this person is not getting it.

C: Yeah, I agree.

G: Yeah.

C: Oh, hey, I went on the Uriel actor’s IMDb because I hope that he's treated better in the future, and he's on 11 episodes of "Barry." Like, that's considered a good show, right?

G: "Berry"?

C: It's like, the one with Bill Hader in it.

G: No, I know. But like, I thought you, said berry. And I was like-

C: Oh, no, B-A-R-R-Y.

G: Okay.

C: Good for him.

G: Oh my god. I just noticed something! There are like, lists on this side if you go to the IMDb page. And there's like- this one is like, "Best Supernatural episodes ever!" "Supernatural faves!" I love that. All of these are like, made in fucking 2012, so good for them.

C: Oh, interesting, the episode title was "Hell's Angels" until just a few days before airing, because, like, they got like, a copyright notice served. So I guess that sort of explains why the title [overlapping] is so bad.

G: That’s it for this episode of Busty Asian Beauties. Next week, we will be discussing... wait. I haven't figured out next week.

C: Season 4, Episode 11: "Family Remains"?

G: It's "Family Remains." Leave us a rating wherever you get your podcasts.

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G: Which we actually are.

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G: Apparently I'm being so noisy because my cat just grabbed my hand and then started biting me.

C: Oh no!

G: Oh no! He's being clingy. Oh my god, he's still doing it! [both laugh] He's chewing on my hand. I'm so sorry. Why are you so mad at me? Ow! He's angy.

C: He's angy.

G: Anyway.

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