#I'm not vaguing anyone here

[robobun]

I don't like how adding nuance has become this kind of competitive, confrontational thing in so much online discussion. Like this happens both through people acting like anyone adding nuance to an argument they made must automatically be criticizing them or arguing against them, as well as people who see a lack of nuance as something to criticize and attack as if it was intentional or antagonistic.

You are not a bad or unintelligent person for either not noticing some nuance or leaving out some nuance for the sake of brevity. People pointing out this nuance are not typically attacking you with it, so you should be careful not to react too defensively.

On the flip side, if you notice an argument that omits some nuance, that does not mean that person is necessarily acting as if what they said is all there is to be said on the topic. If you want to point out some nuance, make sure you don't frame it in a way that accuses the other person of deliberately leaving it out or insults them for not including it in the first place.

Not every post or discussion is going to be a comprehensive analysis of every possible factor that goes into the subject, nor should it be. Adding and receiving more information should be done respectfully and collaboratively, not as a competition to see who is smarter or better informed.

#I'm not vaguing anyone here #it's late at night and that's when i like to write down my thoughts #I've certainly fallen victim to the confrontational mindset myself #this is as much advice to me as it is to others

[theminecraftbee]

so a thing this fandom does that remains FASCINATING to me, as a function of the fact a lot of this fandom is people's first fandom or only current fandom, is just... assume a lot of things it does is a scourge that this fandom has invented or doesn't exist outside of it? or like, is uniquely bad here? and i won't deny that sometimes mcyt fandom is a bit more intense by virtue of numbers, but like...

duo names: confusing fandom-injokes to describe duos and groups tend to be an anime fandom thing specifically for many historical reasons, but they're not uncommon. hey quick--if you haven't been in KHR fandom, can you guess what 1827 is? no? i'll give you a hint: that's actually a ship name. or, ygo fans, tell me the difference between puppyshipping, prideshipping, violetshipping, and rivalshipping. my hint is that they're all kaiba ships and two of them are actually the same ship. good luck!

reducing characters to a specific trait: have you read fic in another fandom before? i would recommend you go do so and come back to me. my example here is "sasuke likes tomatoes", for the record.

common au fanon that's confusing to outsiders: my deep cut here is "when i got into certain tv fandoms i was baffled by the existence of sentinel/guide fics", which is a slightly older tv fandom thing so many of you probably don't know what i'm on about. but trust me: in certain fandoms it's ubiquitous and unless you've watched a completely different tv show you're gonna have to entirely pick it up from reading fic. oh hey, hybrid aus and watcher!grian, nice to see your relative here,

fanon being treated as canon: did you know there's this whole bnha character, naomasa, who is treated as canonically having a lie detector quirk? did you know that, best i can tell, that's not in canon anywhere, it just got echoed through fanon enough that everyone treated it as canon? 'fanon trait becomes so ubiquitous everyone assumes it has to be there' is not a new thing. also, batfamily fans, i have been lead to understand the tim and coffee thing is also this.

characters being treated badly to make a different dynamic look better: the fact we have the term 'character bashing' tells you all you need to know, here. if anything my one complaint on this front isn't even that it's happening--it's that i wish bashing and/or "not [character] friendly" was tagged a little more frequently, haha.

characters being reduced to their family dynamics: tale as old as time. "even the family dynamic thing" yes even that. just because this fandom tended to be particularly ship-adverse in the past didn't mean it didn't do basically the same behaviors as any fandom with shipping did with those dynamics, just gen. and other gen fandoms also do that. yes, down to the "and shipping reduces them to a ship, unlike my gen dynamic, which is very in-character; why can't people just be friends?" thing. some of you have to have been marvel fans right.

characters being reduced to their ships: some of you have to have been marvel fans right.

The Discourse: yeah this is an "actively running show" fandom thing, but also a hiatus fandom thing. ask a homestuck about vriskourse sometime. as much as i hate to say it, it probably made doomsday discourse look cute.

and those are just like... some things i've seen people complain about on my dash recently. idk it just hit me there are probably fans in mcyt fandoms who are assuming that some things (like hybrid aus or duo names) are the kind of things that only happen here, so i thought i'd offer some examples of other places they happen! i also have even more examples if you'd like.

to be clear: this isn't shaming anyone for complaining about any of these things. lord knows i go complain to my friends about it all the time, just the other day i was complaining in the category of 'they keep bashing my guy'. it's more of just... a gentle reminder that maybe we're big, maybe we're loud, maybe we have problems... but these problems aren't always unique.

so uh. we're all suffering together i guess...?

#discourse #<- because. yeah. #this isn't meant to start a discourse this is more me laughing about Fandoms Is The Same #its also why i'm not bringing up the More Serious types of Fandoms Is The Same because i don't want to make light of it #and am instead bringing up the pettier ones #this sparked initially by someone acting like duo names are a this-fandom only phenomenon after years of being a ygo fan #and i was like. oh i've done this song and dance many a time. #and then i was thinking about posts complaining about things like fd and ships and everything else and i was like. oh that's an OLD song #so here. so we all remember sometimes that we all suffer together lol #this isn't a vague of anyone in particular i just constantly waver about making this specific post #anyway back to my usual discourse-free self

[rulersre4chf4n]

My personal biggest pet peeve regarding analyses of Belos (obviously aside from “he’s just evil and analyzing him at all means you support his actions” and “he deserves redemption actually”) is that so many people take his hatred of witches completely at face value--as simply being the result of his indoctrination into witch-hunting as a child in Gravesfield, that these are just the beliefs he was raised with and that he never grew to see past his prejudice like Caleb did. But that is such an oversimplification of his character, and it also ignores what is in my opinion the main driving force behind all of his actions: Caleb himself.

Belos doesn’t think all witches are evil because he was raised to be a witch-hunter. He HAS to keep himself convinced that they are, because if the witches are not evil, then he has two realities to face: 

Caleb left him of his own free will, not because he was under a spell or led astray by the devil.

Belos murdered his own brother, the only person he ever loved, for nothing.

And these CANNOT be true.

Belos’s need to be the hero who saves humanity from witches is not the reason he killed his brother, it’s the result of it.

#guess who's witteposting again #toh #the owl house #emperor belos #philip wittebane #caleb wittebane #wittebro #wittebane brothers #toh analysis #belos #caleb #analysis #also my criticism here is based on general themes i see in the fandom at large. i'm not vagueing anyone specific with this post btw #also do NOT use this post as an excuse to demonize caleb or blame him for what belos does. we will be having none of that on my blog #anyways it makes me so sad when people take belos's need to be the hero as him merely being arrogant #and not as the only way he can live with himself after killing caleb #belos analysis #rulersr4mbles

[olligane]

Jack the Terrible and His Daughter, Angel.

hello borderlands fandom- i've been here for maybe 11 years now? idk the last time i was an active member of the fandom i was living in the hell that was amino. today i give you a post that i totally stole the idea for from tumblr user @thedudeandjackfamily.

#borderlands #handsome jack #angel borderlands #borderlands 2 #bl2 #art #digital art #fanart #something something i won't give my scathing character analysis here #but i'm vaguely obsessed with how fucked up and awful jack is but will never go to bat for him #angel deserves the man who so clearly wanted to be her father before she became a siren. not a monster #also if anyone can find good references of angels tattoo FUCKING TAG ME #literally never expect me to draw her tats the same ever again.

[necromeowncy]

♡♡♡

#*pokes my head in* hi #I'm taking a hiatus from my main on Twitter #I guess I'm only kinda taking one here? not sure yet #Tumblr has always been a safe and welcoming place for me for the most part so I'm trying to be a little more open here ♡ ;w; #so to anyone reading these tags #I've been going through a very rough patch in terms of fandom/personal life/XIV Twitter/the wolgraha sphere in general #Mainly my perception on social media #but since I started my hiatus from public twitter I've been doing SO much better mentally #been writing and gposing every day and it feels nice to create again #creating for myself and my own very specific tastes feels good so I will keep doing that! :) #so here you go! some bathtime AedRaha #I'm very in love with AedRaha and always will be #thank you for reading these tags if you did <3 sorry if I was a bit vague lol I've had a lot going on lately #wolgraha #wol x g'raha tia #aedric vaillencourt #elezen #gpose #my poses #g'raha tia #AedRaha

[captainofthetidesbreath]

I feel like it says a lot about the relationships between the major institutions of the Trust and the Consectorship's place in it that Spahr's role, the role of any Prime Consector, can be summarized as: show pony, attack dog, scapegoat.

#Jonas Spahr #Midst #Midst podcast #Midst things #The Upper Trust doesn't see anyone outside of their number as PEOPLE really. Just tools and agenda items. #That does—as Spahr is learning real quick—include the Prime Consector. He might AS WELL be a literal dog to them. #His entire job is to be pretty and do as told and attack who they point him at and take the blame. #The Company and the Consectorship obviously perpetuates its own harms and is a toxic institution in its own right. #(That is not up for debate and is not what I'm discussing here. I'm talking about the relationships between Trust institutions.) #The thing about the Prime Consector is that despite their rank they're strictly managed and have no real agency or power over anything. #Prime Consector is an interesting office in that its role is to distance the Upper Trust and the notaryship from their decisions. #The Consectorship does not truly make decisions. They carry out those of the Upper Trust and the Central Vault. #Do the dirty work and take the blame—to keep everyone else's hands clean. #To be the scapegoat for everyone else's mistakes and lack of foresight or inability to solve a problem. #(obligatory: I don't have a subscription so keep that in mind before saying stuff to me—I keep getting vague comments about upcoming eps)

[mangosaurus]

not to discourse on main but how can anybody watch season 3 of jwcc and think it's BAD 💀

#this isnt a vague towards anyone here btw this is about something i saw on twitter LOL #seriously though like. season 3 is objectively the best season what are you ON #if you say season 3 is BAD then i'm sorry but i'm gonna automatically distrust every other opinion— #—you have on TV and media from that point moving forward #and i say that as someone who usually tries to find the merit in other peoples opinions even when we disagree #because. at the end of the day it's not that deep HDKSKEK and also open discussion is fun #but. i have my limits. and this is one of them #mango roars

[aetherceuse]

I'm going to be updating my rules at some point this week, I just have to figure out the best way to put my thoughts into words. But the TLDR is that I'm going to be taking a less active role in admin/mod positions for RPC servers going forward. I don't really want to be involved with conflict-resolution anymore.

#✧˖°.« 𝙾𝚞𝚝 𝙾𝚏 𝙾𝚏𝚏𝚒𝚌𝚎 » OOC #{ Nothing happened and this isn't a vague post about anyone or anything. #I'm just realizing that my plate is really full here and irl. And I need to pick and choose where I put my obligations. }

[gottawriteanegoortwo]

A Letter From Yancy

Another year on from the events of Heist and meeting you for the first time, Yancy wants to mark it. Easier said than done when you are in a spaceship millions of miles away.

But, strange things have happened on this ship.

Word count: 1,643

-

It was a quiet day on the Invincible, a rare relief for you. After your morning duties, you found you had free time to do things that you wanted to do.

That, of course, started with a nap. 

The nap was exactly what you needed after a busy week, and you felt rejuvenated to properly check in on various teams on the ship. You kept a professional air, but everyone seemed to know you were in the mood for casual chat. For once, it was nice to lower your guard a little and let the crew see you as a person rather than some mysterious, looming figure.

Well… Mostly. Gunther had gleefully pointed out how members of the ‘Captain Fan Club’ had been lingering around, peeking glances into whatever room you happened to be in. When you tried to look at them, the club members quickly spun around and tried to play it cool through random topics of conversation or pointing out different features like they were on duty. You weren’t exactly sure how a member of the ADS was supposed to give any professional opinions on what were actually oxygen pipes, but you left them to it.

Eventually, you gave them the slip and went down a small side corridor. The engineering department had a workshop dedicated to reparations and other projects. Mark had mentioned he had been building a prototype of a ‘cool idea’, and you would be lying if you said you weren’t curious about it.

-

“Captain! You’re just in time! Come here, come here!” Your Head Engineer was in high spirits as he grabbed you by the arm and yanked you across the workshop. “So I was talking to Burt a few weeks ago and - you know how he does the whole poetry thing? Turns out? He writes it! And not on the tech pads. On paper! I didn’t think anyone even did that these days!”

You raise an eyebrow, deciding not to point out that writing on paper was not fully extinct. Best to let him be excited as he showed off the large machine with tubes poking out of it.

“So it got me thinking. What if there was an automated postal system? Once you’ve written your letter and sealed it, you write the number code of the person you want to send it to. Then, you’d put the envelope in here.” A handle was pulled to reveal an opening. “From there, the computer scans the code, sorts it, and sends it zipping to its destination! The tubes would go in different directions, with the aim to bring it directly to the person’s cabin. Or! If you’re out, you can pick it up from over here.” He waved at you to follow him, where there was the end of a tube just over a small platform. “You type in your code here, scan your hand here, and it’ll send it right back here. Like this.” Stepping around you, Mark followed the steps. Three short, aggressive beeps followed, accompanied by an automated message saying there was no post available. “You try! I’ve only tested it on my code so it’ll be good practice to see if it will recognise anyone else.”

You nod, and follow Mark’s instructions. First, the code. Then, the scan.

One long, less aggressive beep was heard. 

“That’s not right-”

‘Please Wait. Your post will be with you shortly.’

“Hold on. There shouldn’t be anything!” Mark put an arm out, stepping in front of you protectively as you both waited to see what would arrive. A tube to the left rattled. The main body of the machine lit up in a sequence of lights. Mark braced himself as the tube in front of you shook and spat out… A letter.

You lean forward, peering over Mark’s shoulder as you stare, dumbfounded at the post that was successfully delivered.

“Captain…? I think this is a trap. What do we do?”

Two options appeared before you: destroy the letter, or examine it.

Curiosity got the better of you as you moved around Mark to open the hatch. There was a brief, childish squabble as he attempted to block you from getting there, but your strength guaranteed that you could simply lift him up and place him behind you.

“Er… Sorry, Captain. You do know what’s best…”

Satisfied that he wouldn’t cause another ruckus, you finally claimed the letter and examined the envelope. As expected, it was addressed to you, but not how Mark said it should be. Rather, it was for your old address on Earth. Had you been there still, it would have arrived safely. A different handwriting had your number code in the top corner, just beside the stamps, with a small moustache drawn underneath.

“So… Is it safe?”

You nodded as you reread your old address. The handwriting was messy and scratchy, but it was so familiar. You had seen it a dozen times before. 

The question is… How did a letter from Yancy get here?

-

With Mark distracted on his mission to figure out who onboard sent the letter, you sat at his desk and opened the envelope. Everything was untouched, meaning that the second sender didn’t peek inside. Yancy knew about ‘space camp’ and how you were inaccessible, yet… he wrote anyway?

Your name was on the top of the creased, lined paper. To the right, you could see it was dated from the start of October. Everything was the same as always - from the scratchy pencil he over-sharpened, to the bad spelling and grammar. It was quintessentially ‘Yancy’. 

-

I don’t even know why I’m doing this. You isn’t living here. You moved out ages ago. But i has been thinking.  It’s the middle of the night here. Still in Happy Trails, still on the slow path to a parole hearing. And I has been looking at the sky. There ain’t many stars out there but they make me think of you. You doing okay out there? Bet you is so fucking far away by now. Maybe you found new planets or something. Doubt this little rock is even on the back of your mind but… it’s been quiet. Not being able to see you, I mean.  Look, I gotta be honest. It’s october, and that’s the month when we first met. It’s hard to let the month pass and not mark that somehow, even if its through a shitty letter that ill get back in a week or two. Things ain’t easy right now. The parole thing? I know its the right thing to do, but it’s intimidating now that im in the middle of it. When that hearing comes itll be the first time i has seen my brother and sisters since the incidents. Ain’t looking forward to that. And they can say that they don’t think me fit to leave too. Not that i blame them. Dont think they can get my sentence upgraded to the death penalty but theres a real big chance that im gonna be rejected.  I know i should give up while im ahead and save the embarasmant. But then i gets to thinking that it ain’t the right thing for me no more. I might fuck up and get refused but i gets to say i tried. That’s something, right? And anyway, i ain’t letting you down. You believe in me. You always said you believe in me when you came to visitation. Giving up is quitters talk anyway, and im no coward. You dont get scars like mine from hiding all scared!! But i aint that kid no more. The person who did those things is me but isnt me. Does that make sense? Hes me, but im not him. I think ive grown up more than i realised. Im not that trapped kid. Im Yancy, and im going to do right. Once i get out……. Itll be a good thing. Maybe I could get up to where you is. Or maybe by then you is back and maybe we could… do something. I dunno. Im still proud of you for all you is doing, even when you is having one of them bad days.. Dont forget that. Except if you is a nosy shit who this letter ain’t for. You can fuck right off. Or send me a letter back so i can see whether i should be proud of you too. Oh! Remember. Back or side of the knees is a GRATE weak point if you needs a quick escape. Not that i want you to get in trouble or nothing. Just giving some good advice! Wait. I should probably go back to bed. fuck. Hope you is safe. Yancy.

-

You couldn’t stop the wistful smile as you finished the letter. At the bottom, you noticed an addition written in pen, the same one that was used to address the envelope.

-

PS. Nearly sent this in but someone brought in one of them instant camera things! Asked them to take a photo of me so you dont forget this handsome mug!

-

That caught your interest, and you lifted the envelope to peer in. Sure enough, there was a Polaroid tucked away at the bottom that was swiftly retrieved.

Yancy was certainly a little older than you remembered. He still had a pompadour style, but it wasn’t held back as tightly and allowed the curls to loosely fall. His eyes were squeezed shut to accompany the wide, goofy smile and two thumbs up. You chuckled at the conversation that must have happened when the photo was taken about what pose to do. Instead of one to remind you of how tough he was, he instead opted for one that proved that, despite everything, he was still a friend you valued.

You were proud of him too, even if you couldn’t tell him.

#ahwm yancy #a heist with markiplier #in space with markiplier #(read more is for tidiness! :d ) #(I've wanted to throw something here to show I'm not dead and it's my boy that finally spurred me on) #(hope it reads okay! It's a first draft because I'm not feeling well and want to go to bed before work) #(also engineer mark is here) #(I've left all dynamics vague to allow people to decide who they are shipped with - if anyone)

[swinging-stars-from-satellites]

will you shut the fuck up? what if the shit doesn't hit the fan? what if we do make it? what if you don't die? can you have a little hope? just have a little hope

#stop dooming your own narrative and living under that shadow. ffs #this isn't actually vagueing at anyone here this is vagueing at my grandpa bc I've been mildly annoyed all week #that he's SO fatalistic about EVERYTHING. like yeah the world sucks. so what? stop being cynical about it #which is hilarious bc he's the SOFTEST guy ever. he just occasionally goes off on these deeply cynical rambles #in the softest friendliest tone of voice and I'm like. wow. can you maybe have a little hope please??? #anyway I'm gonna say this in the tags here bc I have a weird mental block about making a Real Post: #please pray for my grandpa bc his heart surgery went great but he's been diagnosed with a pretty bad form of cancer #so... yeah #prayers for him and our whole family and all of their relationships with God to grow instead of getting worse and etc etc etc #I'm at the OTHER grandparents' house rn and need prayer for OTHER things here but. yeh #Lu rambles #soz for the language I just needed to say this

[hypervoxel]

I wish I understood the worldbuilding of Hell.

#I'm giving this one to the critical bloggers‚ they like short complaints #hazbin hotel critical #i mean i love it when canon gives you nothing but Vague Depictions and There's Ideas Somewhere Here #bc u can do anything with that! #but then like absolutely massive details like “Sinners can't travel been the Rings of Hell‚ only Hellborn can” are just. #meant to be a defining feature of their world but it's NEVER MENTIONED IN CANON #also you can't convince me that the “royalty” title actually means anything to anyone but the Hellborn #i do not think there's an actual government of Hell (or at least not in Pride). it's a free for all for Sinners

[54prowl]

I'm going to try to be as kind as I can with this.

so ok I've been seeing this more often than usual recently but please try to be normal when reblogging stuff especially creative works. avoid putting hateful tags on reblogs because the original poster sees that.

you wouldn't want a random person saying "#wow I hate this character but---" on your works, right? (and that is not the compliment you want it to be btw.)

and stop seeking content on this site just to shit on it. go make a post about it instead of reblogging something to put mean tags on. someone worked hard on that, don't be a dick.

don't spout community on this site while being the cancer that causes creators to stop sharing their works.

please be normal. ok ily bye.

#fandom #ooc #once more happy blogging everyone #i know nobody will see this but i need to get it out of my chest #like primarily it's fucking cringe #I'm not vaguing anyone here but if the shoe fits then fucking take a walk #like I say huzzah haterism but not like that #don't let the original poster see it #go on a private discord or make your own post or shut the hell up maybe #you can just dislike things ok thats totally fine #just don't let op see it??????????? #not a difficult request im sure #anyway stay safe #psa #update

[goldkirk]

I AM SO GLAD I'M STILL ALIVE FOR ALL THIS

#personal #really thought the blob full of nothing but terror and grief stage was permanent for a while there #and i wasn't even suicidal anymore i thought i had just permanently borked my brain #no!!!!!!! it just needed time! and my body needed more health!!! and i needed more community again! #DON'T GIVE UP!!!!!!!! if you're seeing this and you're exhausted beyond your bones or being eaten alive by a black hole #please know that you don't need to have hope and you don't need to be gung ho about it to survive #just keep going through the slog and take any opportunity that seems vaguely better each time you can #and rest rest rest i guarantee you that you need unholy amounts of rest that you're not getting #and just hold on. just hold on. it might take years but god everyone was right it was worth it to stay and keep going a while longer #you can give up on life. just don't give up on yourself. you keep hold of yourself and don't let ANYONE convince you to let go including #your own brain. you are SO much cooler and braver and wilder and livelier than you think you are and you're only going to improve over time #i love you and i'm here if there's anything i can do for you #don't be afraid to change your mind and don't be afraid to demand your right to live #those are my two rules for life at this point besides the cardinal rule of 'everyone is suffering and traumatized so be as kind as possible #and watch what happens in a snowball effect around you' #i love you. i love you. i am so glad i am alive to love you.

[babacontainsmultitudes]

[just venting a bit into the void you understand you understand 😌] Lately I've been feeling very caught between "I have a lot of thoughts on Sparrow and Normal and all that with the ending and teen talk and feel like I need to get them out and voice them for my own piece of mind and resolution" and "I am lacking the strength and energy to actually sit down and write it all out and kind of really just want to fully move on to other things (AUs, fics, anything else)" but my brain can't seem to commit to either and that's quite frustrating cause it's just left me very restless. *Sigh*. Idk! Just needed to complain about that a bit ig, it's silly but this is what has been ailing me as of late.

#Then there's also a part of me that's like “does anyone even care at this point? haven't I already talked about them too much?” #but I have seen many a take that irk me... #and perhaps at the center of it all nagging at me is that persistent conflation of love and pride #Less about that in Normal's mind so much as in Will's and the fandom's 🤔 #Also that reoccurring issue of the fandom going ''Normal thinks this therefore it is The Truth'' though I believe I've discussed this befor #And... Hooks Will could have grabbed onto but didn't... Quite a few of those... #And the double standard/negativity bias in fandom of ignoring that Sparrow says both that he loves and likes Normal while doodlerized #But not treating those with the same legitimacy we do the pride thing. And ignoring Sparrow's demonstrations of love and change... #And what the love wolf scene actually implies about Sparrow (as I see it) with his own explanation of the pride thing in mind #But also!!! Also on Norm's epilogue and how despite everything taken at face value (i.e. no teen talk influence) I don't actually hate it #and I think it's plenty salvageable #And gah also that like *regardless* of how things turn out with Normal and his dad- #Well I haven't listened to much of the teen talk just the directly Sparrow-relevant clips #so I don't know quite how cynical Will is or isn't about Normal's future #But like. UGH. What I'm trying to say is even if things didn't find resolution vis-a-vis his dad #(which tbh I could go either way on- it's the meta misinterpretations of Sparrow that Bother me not so much Normal's) #(Well that's complicated. Again it comes back to the love vs. pride thing gosh this is so vague of me lol) #With all the positive influences in his life (and just the fact that life is long? and therapy is a thing?) I just don't see Normal- #being Miserable for the rest of his life. Like. I mean I won't elaborate here really but damn it no he can absolutely turn out alright stil #blugh #BUT YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN THAT'S A LOT OF STUFF AND THAT'S ONLY VAGUE RAMBLINGS ABOUT *SOME* OF IT #Like I'm proud of a lot of my essay posts (which I'm hoping to eventually compile in a masterpost eventually actually) but they take a whil #And if my heart wants to do other things... Ah idk... #ANYWAYS a vent to vent a vent to vent

[vulturevanity]

Unfortunately due to my poor mental health I've only been half paying attention to Nevermore, but... thinking about Lenore and the Deans. Because we haven't seen any particular intent in Merry and Mourn's MO yet, but Lenore has been set up to fail badly from the beginning, and despite having exceeded expectations left and right since she still has like. hundreds of demerits. And they do still believe she'll ultimately lose their game and is just putting on a show, which would explain them not targetting her with clear specificity and motive. But she is and has been in their radar from the very first episode.

And I have a feeling Lenore's brother having attended Nevermore and been top of his class is very relevant to this dynamic.

#like. them drowning her in demerits for breathing wrong is very suspicious despite being framed vaguely enough to be chalked up to #“strict academy rules” #especially compounded with whatshisface's (i'm so sorry it's been months and I'm bad with names) previous history with the two #and this might not be news to anyone anymore but i've not been im the fandom at all. here's a thought that i came to independently. #nevermore webtoon

[kiseiakhun]

if dc weren't cowards there would have been jaykyle hatefucking in countdown but then they'd need roy to be emotionally competant for them

Unfortunately they were stuck with Donna who also got bit by the asshole bug 😔 actually you know what. I vibe with this. Roy makes them better and Donna makes them worse. Donna makes them more emotionally incompetent and awful. Thank you Donna.

Speaking of Donna it's so funny to take Jason's actions during countdown into account with his later personality. Rhato established that Jason CANNOT flirt with people he's actually interested in. The more he likes them the more incompetent he is. I can only conclude that Jason was flirting with Donna in an attempt to get under Kyle's skin.

#it's hard to establish chemistry between anyone in countdown though #there is none. there is no chemistry between anyone. #I'm not just talking Jason Kyle and Donna btw i mean ANYONE #like I'm sitting here trying to think if any relationships were emotionally compelling #and i have nothing #friends seem to vaguely tolerate each other at best #communication is awful #no one likes each other; #even the people who like each other seem to be going through the motions #countdown is so bad guys. don't read it. #i was a fool #kyle rayner #jason todd #jaykyle #jayroykyle #jaydonnakyle #Donna Troy