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#That's So StarClan. Or what it should be
bonefall · 1 year
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I really like how StarClan is depicted in your rewrite. In one of the field guides, it’s stated that StarClan are not that much wiser than the living cats, and that all they have to guide them is visions of the future, which they can only warn the living cats about. Besides the first arc, I think that’s my favorite depiction of StarClan because it allows them nuance. However, I think your version does improve on that concept by actually implementing it and showing that the Dark Forest and StarClan have ideals that change over time, much like the world of the living. Anyways, keep up the good work!
I feel like canon StarClan is such a waffling, wasted opportunity. It's like the writers are so afraid of unpacking their religious biases that they can't say anything meaningful
StarClan has to control nothing at all because Cat Free Will, but also be a powerful entity that can physically interact with the mortal plane through fighting demons or possessing people
They have to both be wise, prophetic ancestors, but also no smarter than the living cats.
They must be the moral tether preventing the Clan cats from becoming godless heathens, but no more good and kind than a living cat. Bonus points for TBC where StarClan's Love literally burned through Ashfur's Spooky Evil Magic Vines Of Hatred or whatever.
It reminds me a lot of the bitter flavor of protestant Christianity I grew up around, and all the contradictions the adults in my live believed but couldn't articulate. So that's what BB!StarClan is, really. Angels dressed up as god, just as powerful as the living believe they are. Still loving, but prone to anger and self-righteousness. Young, flawed dieties whose sum is greater than its parts.
I'm fascinated by what StarClan could be, in this way.
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rookflower · 1 year
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the horrifying implications of Cinderpelt as a pawn of Starclan- trying everything she can to unsuccessfully stop her apprentice from leaving because she's terrified of the internalised idea of "failing" her clan and her job due to her impending death, while unaware that the entire Crowpool situation is intentional by Starclan for their own benefit to initiate the Power of Three prophecy and that her death in itself is to be Leafpool's motivation to stay- the idea that the stars, the ancestors and family and friends she devoted her life to always meant for her to die young and hopeless and were willing to manipulate her emotionally for the best outcome for them- is alone a piece of her character that's infinitely more heartwrenching and tragic and interesting than "she actually had a crush on Firestar and she's sad she can't date him :((" and I'm so mad that the latter is her primary legacy instead of any interpretations of her as a character that go beyond boring forbidden romance #17 that was barely even implied to begin with
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skrs-cats · 7 months
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have you read the lion blaze self harm scene? kinda sh ig he basically lets …ratscar i think like scratch him up bad by holding his powers back. interesting to me what’re ur thoughts? (idk if that’s the right definition, i’ve always defined it as having someone/yourself injure your body with the intent to hurt) sorry if this is a downer, i just know your a lion blaze enthusiast and wanted to know your thoughts
ohhh yes i do actually. its one of the few scenes i remember better bc i actually own the book where it happened.
to elaborate on the scene more, it happens after he has an argument with cinderheart, who claims they shouldnt be together since he's part of the prophecy, how his destiny is to save the clans (and coincidentally not get hurt) and them being mates would only be distractions
lion's rebuttal? instigate a fight w a patrol near the shadowclan border, disallow himself to fight back, and force the wounds to get inflicted on his body, as a show that he CAN choose to get hurt. that he CAN choose what kind of 'destiny' he should have. ive put my own thoughts about it under read more bc this got long (unsurprisingly jkhasdkjfhd)
i spent like a solid few minutes re-reading the chapter to gather my thoughts on it LOL i remember not thinking much about it when i was a kid, but i think its interesting to analyze now!
what was attempted to be written, at least, piques me bc its about lion trying to prove that they can exist outside of the narrative the prophecy has given them. which is funnily ironic, since the start of the chapter is of him having self doubts regarding saving the clans when they found out theres a fourth cat, how that basically means that the three of them wouldnt be enough, how his destiny might have changed. reading this chapter just gave me a new can of brainworms but ill try not to delve into it too much bc its gonna get way messier LMAOOO
to go back to lion purposely getting himself hurt, i dont think he's the type of person who would do that for the sake of it, unless as a really dumb way to prove a point. but it makes me think he really doesnt have much of a care of whether he'd get hurt or not. a severe lack of self-preservation, and all that. cats back at camp react to his wounds w all around shock, he's herded into the med den all the while he acts like he'll be fine. i dunno if the shock from the cats is just bc theyre just so used to seeing him NOT hurt, or if his wounds were really that bad. but either or both still pretty much gives me a lot to think about. homeboy doesnt know the limits of his body, and that makes for interesting scenarios of how he manages to deal w that after losing his powers
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amethyst-halo · 6 months
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no but legitimately i hope frostpaw leans on shadowsight while processing all of this and i hope shadowsight can help her realize none of this was her fault, that the things that happened to her weren’t deserved and in the process realize that for themself too
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gayleafpool · 1 month
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hmmm fallen leaves secretly hoping hollyleaf would end up dying with him down in the tunnels and that her soul would get stuck there so he didn’t have to be alone anymore
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perenlop · 11 months
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it’s a shame that wc is allergic to doing anything about significant characters being related because the potential of brightheart, cloudtail, and ferncloud all being grandparents to dovewing and ivypool... brightheart especially. do you think brightheart looks at ivypool sometimes with her shredded ears and scarred body and the haunted look in her eyes and sees herself.
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yuridovewing · 7 months
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A while back, someone mentioned in the tags of my Darktail and Onestar post that swapping Sol's ShadowClan plotline with Darktail's WindClan one would have been interesting, and ngl. I actually sorta want to do that in my au... like Sol isn't Onestar's kid, but he goes to WindClan during Po3 where Onestar is probably near his lowest, hes deeply paranoid and resentful at what he was put through in Starlight and he's starting to lash out more, and Sol takes advantage of that and makes him become even more disillusioned with clan culture and StarClan. Sol coordinates the Eclipse Battle as a way to manipulate the clans into destroying one another, and WindClan is at the forefront. Maybe he even convinces Onestar that dismantling the clans is what's best for him. Idk though, throwing spaghetti at the wall here
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pa-pa-plasma · 5 months
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getting so fucking emotional over my clangen cats
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you know that vision leafpool got of brambles surrounding the camp and she took it as meaning that brambleclaw should be deputy because he'd protect the clan
first of all, shout out to leafpool for being very mature and assuming the most positive outcome about that vision even though she fucking hated brambleclaw (rightfully)
but also what if she was wrong, what if she interpreted the sign wrong, what if the vision meant brambleclaw, like brambles, would ensnare, strangle, and cause HARM to thunderclan, not protect it
bramblestar's leadership has literally caused more harm than good to ANYONE in thunderclan (as well as outside of thunderclan, literally all of the clans (except skyclan i guess?), as well as the sisters have SUFFERED because of bramblestar being thunderclan's leader
and not to mention the individual cats who've suffered the most from him being leader, like him using his power to literally ABUSE squirrelflight, as well as his decisions actively causing leafpool's death, as well as the death of moonlight, killing a harmless group's leader and leaving three newborn kits as orphans, and ALMOST killing squirrelflight
not to mention brambleclaw literally had to STOP AND THINK about whether or not he should save firestar from the foxtrap like what the fuck man, and maybe if he hadn't literally hesitated firestar wouldn't have lost that life and then at the great battle firestar would have survived
what if starclan WAS sending a warning, and specifically sent it to leafpool because she was already suspicious of brambleclaw, but because she was still so young and less experienced, because she was so kindhearted and wanted to see the good in everyone, she WANTED her sister's mate to be a good person, a good leader, and was such a positive person, she thought, she wanted, she HOPED that it was a sign from starclan that brambles would protect her clan, her sister, her family
but it wasn't
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the-breloominati · 2 years
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warriors book written from the perspective of a cat that knows nothing about the clans but ends up joining them, and slowly over the course of the story, as they learn more and more about how things work and everything that’s happened, they’re slowly filled with this existential dread that everything there is very, very wrong
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Round 1 - Side B
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firestar art by @kudos-si-do
Propaganda below ⬇️
Kirei
He fucked up so many people's lives so badly in just one decade (not on purpose) that the universe put him in the summoning pool of all world influencing souls. He doesnt really have any special powers but he does serve as a vessel for rasputin at one point. He's the guy who says "people die when they are killed"
please please please there's literally a type moon character in the gif on the top of this form so it's typemoonphobic if none of them get in but it shouldn't be her it should be kirei bc he's 50x funnier & more iconic than jeanne. funny lil murder priest who's fucking THE gilgamesh (from the epic of) in the church basement and dies in a knife fight w a 17 year old whose dad he wanted to fuck back in '94 before realizing that he was actually kinda lame and he's been bitter abt it ever since. he has an orphan torture factory in his basement but he's also canonically good at being a priest. he's so funny you should def try his mapo tofu i swear it's totally safe for human consumption and not made with any california reapers. did i mention he's a deadbeat dad.
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Priest claims to be Pro Life to make Sakura Matou the most miserable girl on the planet, but he dies anyway.
bro became a catholic because he loves suffering
He’s a priest. Kind of. Not a very good priest obviously. There is something seriously wrong and fucked up with that man. It’s so entertaining.
he's gotta be one of the most insane catholic men ever with a very in-depth and interesting relationship with his religion and his relationship with god also he's the sexiest man ever to be conceptualized in the known universe and all of time
Will never forget the 40+ minute monologue in heavens feel being a thinly veiled metaphor for abortion
he wants to torment churchgoers and make them face their failures and suffering but all he ends up doing is motivate them to improve themselves. cringefail moment for him
he's absolutely insane. the coldhearted mercenary that barely reacts to anything is terrified of kirei. he's super fucked up. his ult in stay night is literally him channeling divine power into something called kyrie eleison. he's the vessel of rasputin (on account of being a priest with a huge....no i shant say) the biblical beast in grand order among other things. he gets drunk with and tops gilgamesh from the epic of gilgamesh in the church basement after gilgamesh from the epic of gilgamesh bats his eyes a little too hard at kirei in some of the horniest shot scenes ive ever seen. he also used to be a heretical "fixer" for the church, cleaning up scenes that would expose shit to the public. uhh what else. he holds cool swords between his fingers like a kid pretending to be wolverine but in my favorite route he just squares the hell up with the protagonist and they fight to the death outside planned parenthood
Firestar
Kitty jesus, he believes in starclan which is the kitty version of heaven/god and yea. All the warrior cats characters except those outside the clans or those that are atheist believe in the kitty heaven and would irl be bri-ish and christian as hell so. The authors are all older british christian women and so the way starclan is written is like undoubtedly that.
The main religion in the series is extremely catholic coded. Most clan cats believe in Starclan and the Dark Forest(or heaven and hell). There is a set of rule they must uphold and follow, where following them leads to heaven and breaking them leads to hell. Their religious leaders are sworn to celibacy, and the punishments that "code breakers"(or cats who break the rules) face are extremely similar to situations people with religious trauma have gone through.
OP notes: apparently converted to avoid getting his balls cut?? Idk. The discord yet wild for firestar so I had to include him because it's hilarious hehehe
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lemonstars-cat-blog · 6 months
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ok fuck Starclan we need a bad bitch who thinks she is above the rules and she is RIGHT fuck the rules girlie if you love her you love her go get your fuckin riverclan girlfriend.
Is it weird that I miss Silverstream? I feel like no matter what she doesnt regret a thing and would do it all over again even if it meant she'd die again and again. Shes stubborn as hell and the rules mean nothing to her, the only thing that upsets her is that she wasn't there to raise her kits.
Au shit
ANYWAY i feel like Graystripe should have been more involved in the lives of his TWO VERY CLOSE CHILDHOOD FRIENDS? CHILDREN?? like i get he was gone for a while that's fine he cpuldnt help that but 😭😭😭 idk? before he was lost to the clans, after he got back, hello?? where is he. come on man do something.
(btw this is a mothxleaf au because ummm leaf deserves better than crow and also oooh parallels of riverclan x thunderclan relationship oooooh wow i’m so creative)
SOOO in this AU Gray is much more involved and immediately sees the telltale signs of "ohh ok yeah lol she's sneaking out to meet someone" in Leafpool because HE DID THAT TOO!! He only really stresses to her that she has to be careful, think about what she's doing, dont get in over her head and don't forget her duties to her clan. If he could go back, he'd do so much differently, and he doesn't want Leafpool to go through the same pain he did.
Well after that whole big talk, Silver, who’s still watching over him, overhears some of this (namely where she was mentioned bc she wants all the gossip and backtalk even if it’s about her) and decides like. “oh my god. i have to get involved in this.” so she plays matchmaker a bit, becomes a cool aunt to leafpool
anyway i LOOOOVVEEE LOVE LOVE the idea of Mothwing being wrapped up in starclan’s prophecies with the three because holy SHITTT URGHHRHR LIKE. SHES AN ATHEIST AND STARCLAN CANT EVEN COMMUNICATE W HER BUT SHES STILL A PART OF THE GGRAND PLAN BUT BC SHE DOESNT BELIEVE SHE CANT SEE IT AND ITS SO,. IDK??? ITS COOL IDK
i don’t think starclan as a whole is evil bc i don’t think silver is doing this out of any ill intent if anything it’s breaking down the stupid rules starclan is so keen on enforcing. i feel like gray would big time support leaf and moth once the truth comes out, and silver would support leaf during her starclan trial like “you fuckers wanted those kits born, this literally had to happen bc y’all wanted it to and you’re mad about it???”
OH OH ALSO CINDERPELT!! WOULD BE SO INVOLVED BC EVEN AFTER ALL THOSE YEARS SHE HOLDS GUILT OVER SILVER’S DEATH AND IS TERRIFIED THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY STARCLAN PUNISHING HER THAT CAUSED HER DEATH AND IS SO AFRAID OF LOSING LEAFPOOL TOO
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bonefall · 3 months
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What position do you think the cats would take to pray? would they bow or just sit or aomething else?
I think they should tilt their head straight upwards, so that their whiskers are stirred by the breeze. If they worship the stars, it makes sense that wind is part of that. Invocation is like asking permission of StarClan to speak to one of your ancestors, like using an operator, so if the wind stirs your whiskers it means they're answering.
Proper prayer etiquette includes going outside. You don't pray in dens or caves.
You're not praying to the Moonplace. You're directly seeking an audience.
WindClan, ironically, is the least strict about this. Comes from a mixture of tunneling culture and the fact they confess to their Cleric more than other Clans.
RiverClan probably has a phrase that goes something like, "Your wishing wind was an undertow" which roughly means "you were badly mistaken and should have known better"
I'd also combine it with them sitting on their haunches and putting their paws/wrists together, "rabbit sniffing the air" style.
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mommyclaws · 3 months
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I used to not like Cinderheart because the reincarnation side plot is really ableist and lowkey creepy with Cinderpelt “finally getting the life she wanted” by becoming mate with Firestar’s grandson and erasing her disability but if I just completely scrap that and change the reincarnation lore I do think it made Cinderheart an interesting character...
A cat who is unsatisfied with the state of their death might not be able to make the travel to Starclan. Their emotions still bound to the living world, their discontent or other feelings weight them down from the stars. Their soul is attaches to a kit and may reside there until those emotions have been sorted out or the cat can leave at peace.
Cinderpelt can't bear to leave Leafpool alone- To leave her so soon. Not after they ended on such bad terms. The clan is weakened and with the burdens of her duties, a broken heart, and soon kits, she has a difficult path ahead of her. Cinderpelt has to be there. She has to stay and be with her somehow. So Cinderpelt becomes Cinderkit and then Cinderheart.
Cinderheart was very close to and involved with the three, which is really interesting when she herself is a reincarnation but seemingly under a completely different situation than them.
Knowing who she used to be, she struggled with her identity. Should she be a medicine cat or warrior? Should she be someone else or herself? What does she want? Is she allowed to want a path for herself...?
Lots of interesting stuff to explore there if she hadn't been in the poor target of Lionblaze's lame romance drama
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willicebattlecatsblog · 11 months
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siblings bonding over betraying local gods
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It looks like they are ready to from a rock band too
Following the Hollyleaf from the Nowhere/Lionblaze is Scourge AU ! The siblings reunites every cat who was wronged by Starclan or used for Starclan's entertainment. I feel like at this point in the canon, Starclan is so weirdly written. Starclan feels like it's both completely clueless on what it's doing, and at the same time it's actively trying to destroy living cats lives. They work so well as an antagonist, I couldn't not use them as a main antagonist.
Cats are :
Up : Fallen Leaves
Down, first rank, left to right : Breezepelt, Lionblaze, Hollyleaf, Jayfeather
Down, second rank, left to right : Yellowfang, Pinestar/Pine, Frecklewish, Ferncloud (she is just so mad her incel stalker of a brother Ashfur is in Starclan right now), Snowtuft
I should have added Goosefeather too but I forgot grrr
Oh, also I wanted to include Breezepelt too because I always had a soft spot for Breezepelt. I never really liked Crowfeather, but I started really disliking him seeing how poorly he treated Breezepelt. I felt so sad when Breezepaw was getting ignored and pushed away by his father constantly when the group was in the mountains. I know a lot of people may disagree, but Breezepelt deserved so much better. Breezepelt should have been helped by the Three when they saw that he was definitely in pain emotionaly. I feel like the narrative tried to forgive Crowfeather, all the while Crowfeather was doing huge damages to Breezepelt (I read the books in French so maybe the French version just really pushed this narrative forwards ?)
Breezepelt is just a little guy I relate to a lot
If you have any ideas of cats who where wronged by Starclan too, feel free to tell me !
Also TRANS BREEZEPELT YIPEE
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Two days late but here he is!
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SOL
“...No cat should just accept what has gone before. StarClan's time is over. These cats are dead, and their spirits have no power over you.”
[Black-based chimera with ginger classic-tabby and chocolate mackerel-tabby tortoiseshell patches, high white spotting, short-and-long fur, and heterochromatic gold-and-blue eyes.]
Oh Sol… They did you so dirty… You could have been such a cool villain if you were utilized properly…
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Uneven fur lengths due to his chimerism. Most of his coat is sleek and short, especially around his torso, tail, and the length of his face and ears. Much longer, thicker fur grows naturally from his tail-tips, mane, belly, legs, ear fluff, and from the sides of his face.
Polycaudal! I think I was one of the first to come up with this idea, but I could totally be wrong… Means “many-tailed”; very rare, but something that can occur in real cats in real life!
Sectoral heterochromia in both eyes.
Tons of striking, stylized markings. His left ginger tortie leg is styled like a star, while the patch over his eyes is like a circle or an eclipse.
Each of his paws are unique. Hind left has ginger and brown spots; upper left has ginger toes; hind right has a single brown toe; upper right is pure white.
Scarring includes: A slash on his jaw, made by Leafstar on accident while being driven from SkyClan; this is purely headcanon.
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