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hawklanthebard · 2 years
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Captives of Despair
(Art commission for @the-septic-maniac)
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c0smickidd0 · 2 years
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POV: You’re about to get beat up
For @sagscrib ‘s Takemichi-tober Day 16: Friends!
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kirins-creations · 1 year
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Hah! I got one more on the way! Look at my fictional children! We love them here.
Hopefully the two murdery ones were good this year.
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sagscrib · 2 years
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woe. rehabilitation au doodles be upon ye
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jangmo-othewarrior · 2 years
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I feel like the TTH survivors would absolutely want to know and talk to their classmates' captives. After all, they were the last people to see their loved ones in person alive. The only problem? All 6 of them feel like the captives wouldn't want to see them at all. After all, they were the people who voted for some of their loved ones to die. So, they never approach them.
Hiroko, of course, was not having it.
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In UDG there is a note written by one of the Warriors of Hope called 'About Makoto Naegi,' and it mentions "Even the boys' hearts race for someone like him," which is so funny to me not only because they obviously are right, but because they held Byakuya captive for days, and my Naegami-shipping self can't help but headcanon that they said that because of the way Byakuya was probably talking about Makoto when they provoked him 😆 You could argue that it was Nagito used as an example, but he made sure to be sly and wouldn't admit to admiring Makoto while he was playing the role of their servant (he had to hide the fact that he was helping Komaru at the beginning, after all.)
Why yes I am looking way too into this!
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drawbauchery · 6 months
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huge ass text of sapphic simping number 1: toko/genocide jill
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look at her. she’s the opposite of “no thoughts behind those eyes.” her mind is constantly working. she’s brilliant.
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“to serve men”? no honey i’m gonna serve you 🫵
her default emotion of being absolutely done with everyone’s bulls hit is captivating. i love her.
toko is the comphet of all time btw this is canon i do not take constructive criticism
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now look at this chaotic gremlin. she’s the fucker who starter the whole crack lunch arc. she’s the one who provided all the stress and drama. she’s evil. i worship her.
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i would die for her (most likely due to her killing me and i would accept that fate)
this woman could hold me at scissorpoint and i would apologize
i’ll be back with more nonsense soon :3
nah they're not comphet, they're just bi
i'm still utterly reeling from how udg made me go from hating toko's guts to looking forward to all her scenes. around the right characters toko is actually great
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hopeymchope · 5 months
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Having finally finished reading the DR Kirigiri light novels, here are my closing thoughts and questions.
(For background, I read these translations. Which - as I previously discussed in the first bullet of this post here - may have some small issues throughout.)
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I've previously given y'all my report on how I felt / what I was thinking about this series just after passing the halfway point of the light novels, so now it's time for me to bring this whole thing home and offer some closing thoughts.
My first, dominating thought is that this would be so good to see adapted as an anime. I can easily imagine how many episodes it'd take to do each light novel and where you'd logically cut off the story... even more easy, though, would be a manga. It's definitely crying out for that kind of treatment.
Regardless of the (relatively minor) gripes I raise below? This is definitely a great series to read. You get a number of twisty, gripping mysteries, an easy-to-like lead duo, an imposingly powerful enemy force, new background on our favorite lavender-hued detective, and you even get some great new characters added to the mythos — what more do you want?
Okay, but now I'll get into the griping stuff :P For starters: Isn't it... kind of LAME to have Kirigiri repeatedly experience something so similar to the basic setup of DR1 (or any mainline Danganronpa game, really) on MULTIPLE OCCASIONS prior to DR1 ever happening??? But then she just never remotely reference any fo that experience? And YESs, of course I realize she never even obliquely references these events because these prequels weren't actually written by the time of DR1, nor even completed by DR3. But that's the kind of thing you typically want to avoid with prequels, right? ...... Even so, I guess this does take us farther into these stories deserving to be called "Danganronpa" than any other spinoff. And it's not hard to come up with excuses for why she never remotely hinted at these things; she's intentionally acting withdrawn and keeping info to herself throughout DR1 and DR3, after all. So it's not the WORST crime. It's just, like I said: kind of lame.
MORE SPECIFICALLY, let me clarify: Although the cases in DRK don't include a "mutual killing" element, you still get at least three cases where she's [1] trapped in a specific building alongside a group of people who include a killer/"mastermind," the cast subsequently being picked off one by one, and [2] said experiences are also broadcast to a viewing audience. In fact, you even get two cases where [3] the trapped participants are expected to take specific bedrooms to lock themselves in during the nighttime! And even [4] one case where there's a weird, automated "host character" overseeing the whole thing, which is being operated around a specific set of rules. That's a helluva thing, isn't it?
I've previously expressed GREAT TREPIDATION about one specific element of this series: I was told that supposedly, these light novels included evidence that Fuhito was manipulating Kyoko into hating her father, her dad was always a victim, and Kyoko never realized that she was basically molded from birth by someone who was manipulating her feelings and actions. It all made Kyoko considering Fuhito her "most imporant person" (per DR1 and UDG's captives) come off as this tragic tale where our supposed "master detective" never realized she's been a victim of gaslighting and manipulation for many years, which would change SO MUCH CONTEXT behind her life's work and her relationships with both Jin and Fuhito. HOWEVER, GUESS WHAT? None of that shit was even true! HUZZAH!!!! NOTHING in these light novels goes against what we already knew about Kyoko, Jin, Fuhito, or their relationship(s) with one another... though there is some minor new insight provided into a couple of details. We get a new look at how Jin actually cared about Kyoko from afar (via the "Jin Ex Machina" business I mentioned in the previous post), which is in line with the hints of his lingering love for her we tasted in both DR1 and DR3 without either exonerating him for his choices OR making him 100% correct. We repeatedly watch Kyoko questioning/doubting her grandfather's/family's longstanding "detective work must come above and before personal concerns" rules. And we also get a taste of Fuhito being protective of Kyoko when he learns of the kind of danger she's in — yet simultaneously having complete trust in her talent and ability to overcome said danger. Fuhito seems to even gently help Kyoko understand Samidare's actions near of the end of the final volume... although we only get a taste of his help via Kyoko's internal thoughts, so we don't know exactly what he said to her. TL/DR? My point is simply this: The DRK light novels keep the overall morality / goodness of Kyoko's family dynamics in the same place we already understood them from the games: Kyoko and Fuhito are very close and care about each other without being overtly emotional about it, there is a rift between Jin and the rest of his family over Fuhito priortizing case work above visiting his dying daughter on her deathbed, Jin clearly still concerns/cares that linger for his daughter, etc.
What's with so many scenes of "Black Challenges" or "Duel Noirs" having signs defaced to include the word "DESPAIR"? Is that just some extra branding for the main franchise's themes? Feels out of place.
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I feel bad for all those orphans who adored this dude.
General thoughts on numerous new-to-DR characters: As I said in my last post about this series, Samidare is likeable but spends most of the series very thinly defined — plus she's pretty slow on the uptake. Thankfully, by Volume 4 she starts finally pulling her weight, and she gets some much-needed expansion of her background in Volume 7 (just in time for her to make some dumb decisions). Licorne is probably the second-most important new character, and he's an asshole. An interesting one, though! And he does some heroic things! .... even if he isn't really all that morally invested in helping people. He's a self-centered asshole for most of the series, frankly, and I don't care much whether he's around or not. Salvadore Yadorigi Fukuro is awesome; a straight-up superb character with a very "DR" kind of skill/talent. Yaki Hajiki is a character who's also hard to dislike, and I wish he got more "screen time," because he's very intriguing. Johnny Arp is a fascinating one, though he definitely shares some dickish behavior with Lico. Still, I'm always engaged when he's on the page. And... look, I'm fond of Meruko "Pumpkinhead" Mifune. She's fun, sure, but I also see real potential for depth that isn't explored herin.
My remaining observations/thoughts contain some spoilers for the Danganronpa Kirigiri series, so I'm putting the rest UNDER THE BELOW CUT... although I still avoid mentioning the identities of any culprits or masterminds so as to keep the primary case mysteries intact.
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Yadorigi = Intelligent, quiet dude in sunglasses who looks like the answer to "What if Munakata found his chill?"
What, exactly, is the state of Yadorigi's eyesight by the end of the series? Initially, we learn that his unique eyesight is very important to his work in uncovering fraud. Later, after a blow to the head, we're told that his eyesight will never be the same as it previously was. In the final volume, he visits Kyoko while wielding a white cane. So uh... does that cane imply that SYF is now blind or very close to it? Or am I reading too much into a walking stick here?
Nothing infuriates me quite as much as when major problems in a story could be easily resolved via basic fucking communication, and a failure to communicate on a base level is absolutely CORE to why things go south in the seventh and final volume. By the time Kyoko and Yui are heading out to the case, the situation is this: Without Kyoko's knowledge, our redacted overarching mastermind (henceforth referred to as "ROM") tried to get Samidare to agree to be the culprit in this final Black Challenge. She refused. ROM then said their organization (the Crime Victim's Relief Committee) will eliminate Kyoko if Samidare doesn't play along. And then, right after saying this? ROM pretty clearly DIED right in front of Samidare, before she can ever express any intention of changing her mind or not. She is then confronted by the enigmatic Tokichiro Endo, who is basically the go-between for culprits and the organization, who demands her final answer. Based on what happens in the case immediately after this, it appears that this conversation somehow ended with Samidare refusing to be the true culprit in this case but ALSO accepting that she would be framed for the murders and take the fall. So now Samidare has a choice to make: Does she (A) trust the Crime Victims' Relief Committee to keep their promise and leave Kyoko alone so long as she keeps her mouth shut...... even though Samidare refused to meet their demands and become the case's culprit? OOOORRR does Yui (B) realize that the Committee has already broken their supposed "rules" by forcibly coercing her into being the culpri — not to mention the fact that they're routinely aiding and abetting murders — which adds up to mean that she can't trust their word and must warn Kyoko of the danger she's in now that the committee has threatened her life directly? Any thinking person should choose (B), but Samidare of course chooses (A) so the plot will happen. *FACEPALM*
The worst part of this is that EVEN when our two heroines have just barely escaped from a burning building and fled out into freezing conditions, leaving them on the razor's edge between two possible methods of death with everyone else from the case seemingly already being dead? Samidare STILL won't outright deny being the case's culprit when accused. With literally NO REASON LEFT not to come clean, she never says jack shit. And then she dies!
During the denouement, the conclusion Kyoko reaches after leaving the hospital and revisiting the scene is... murky, and I think this might be something caused by the translation methods used. It currently reads as though Kyoko reaches the correct conclusion about the case, accurately determining Samidare's innocent AND identifying the true culprit(s). However... she doesn't seem to be 100% confident in her decision? It sounds like Kiri still harbors some lingering doubts about Samidare possibly being guilty?..... Even though she sounds really confident in her (correct) conclusions immediately before that. So it's left ambiguous. Which, I suppose, is one way to maintain Kiri being the Best Detective while simultaneously leaving room for her line in DR1 about how her burns happened because she "trusted the wrong person." She almost entirely knows that she didn't actually trust the wrong person, but they have to leave some doubt so that line can exist? ...... IF this translation is even accurate on this part.
Say... why did Samidare believe she'd die on this mission? It wasn't actually any more inherently dangerous than any other mission her and Kyoko had gone on... LESS dangerous than some, I'd argue! But she prepares this whole letter for her eventual death, so she clearly thought it was a strong possibility. My only guess is that she believed Kyoko was going to be targeted for death, and she planned to fulfill her oft-promised role as Kyoko's human shield. But if that was REALLY something Samidare thought was going to happen, then she had NO REASON to not tell Kyoko the truth about everything. If they're already out to kill Kiri, then OF COURSE it's smartest to warn her about it! So: Why the "last letter"? What made you think you were fucked, Yui?
In the end, ROM's overarching mission is both a success and a failure. Do they take away Kyoko's main emotional attachment, making her withdraw even further into pure logic so she'll avoid getting hurt? Yes. Do they make her deny the value of such attachments in the first place, resulting in her staying isolated forever after? No. She 95% knows she's right about Samidare's innocence in spite of ROM's attempts to frame her; it's just the pain of the loss that makes Kyoko withdraw, not some grander conclusion about distrusting everyone. In fact? I'd argue that Kyoko's speech in DR1's Chapter 4 about accounting for emotions is a strong rebuke of ROM's entire view of the world.
....by the way, does ROM have their own copy of Junko's talent??! It sure seems like they're another "Ultimate Analyst," essentially; able to see patterns of behavior so clearly that they can essentially predict most future events.
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nite-puff · 9 months
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I have scoured the ends of the internet to find if Takemichi has a canonical height. I’ve seen things that cannot be unseen. Heard things that cannot be unheard. Only to find out he doesn’t have a canon height. Only the captives that actually show up in UDG have canon heights. The rest are just estimated based on that line up of them that was put out by the staff.
But the post that people refer back to when they say Takaaki is 6’5” says that Michi is 5’2” so-
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Tiny boy. The top of his head is at Mondo’s shoulder.
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And this comparison too. Look at ‘em.
Keep in mind, there are other sources that say that he’s EVEN SHORTER, but I’m going with this one.
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breadcat911 · 9 months
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✨UDG ramble/Komaru Redesign ✨
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UDG is definitely one of the weirdest games in the franchise when I comes down to ranking it for me. Their are parts of the game that I always skip while others I play over and over again. For me UDG feel more like the danganronpa team experimenting with their jokes and gameplay. Sadly because of this I feel like a lot of people skip the game. UDG has a lot of pedophilic jokes that I personally feel could have been swapped with anything else
Kotoko's and Komaru's scene
This scene I always just refuse to play simply for the fact of just how weird it is. I understand what they were going for but with good dialogue you could have the same effect. Kotoko and Komaru could have a talk about demon's which could lead Komaru into learning about her past and still have that gross feeling the game had. The games jokes about CP and Toko's comment about "cumaru" just felt weird and unneeded. The WoH's past could easily give us dark moments while toko and syo could give use the comedy.
Komaru being Junko's succeser
Komaru being Junko's succeser felt like a plot twist that came out of no where. I feel like if they add something like a hope and despair meter (some people you interact with give you despair while others give you hope) would have been better than monaca coming out of nowhere with that. That hope and despair meter leads me into my next points.
The bad end
I feel like the bad end could have been like the bad end in thh, a simple picture that truly feels like you chose the wrong option. In the Bad end Komaru would finally subcome to despair and kill of her last bit hope (Toko) The picture could be Komaru dressed similar to junko with a cross out frame of toko. In the back behind the throne shes sitting on is her parents.
The other captives
In the game we only really see the hit list and two of the targets. A good way to incorporate the hit lists would be traveling all over towa in a escort like mission to get you hope and new story things. After you get all the hit list people maybe someone would bring up the killing game. This could lead to Komaru learning about the hope her brother had and help the hit list people be able to mourn their lost ones. Some of the hit list people would not have their own mission (Yuta, Hiroko, Raichu, and Kanon) Speaking of Kanon the UDG hagekure could be unlocked after completing the missions.
This was mostly just me rambling about how I think UDG could be improved (this is just my opinion don't take what I say super seriously 😸)
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wayzztogo · 3 months
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What's a bday without an udg captives (+Daiya) post?
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(Reblog not just like♡)
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c0smickidd0 · 2 years
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Takemichi-tober Day 15: Bodyguard
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Now that Mahiru and Tsumugi are swapped in your Talentswap AU, does that mean Sato will be a captive? And who will Kanon kill now in the Twilight Syndrome Incident?
Nah I'm still killing Sato because I love Sato and Kanon ripping each others hair out funniest fucking evil yuri and I prefer captive Natsumi over captive Sato but now Mahiru's mom get to be a character!
Though I'm sure Natsumi has her own secrets about when down that day, because Kanon and Natsumi is also the funniest fucking pair of Brother Complex (Reasonable Jealousy) and Cousin Complex (Girl WHY)
However in my desperation for even the loosest thread to connect Komaru to the plot of UDG she and Chiaki are friends now
Also because im making Mahiru the protagonist the implication of SATO as the main character of UDG is A LOT to cope with and while it's fucking hilarious I just, I need to give Komaru SOMETHING to do I need to to get my obligatory tokomaru SOMEHOW so if I make it Mahiru's mom then I can do like, an even SADDER version of Chihiro's Dad's death or something, I dunno, DETAILS
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kirins-creations · 1 year
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Parenting may not be what she expected to be doing at 20, but she wouldn't change for the world.
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danganronpafan777 · 10 months
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I literally just finished UDG then saw that previous ask you answered - and now I’m thinking about if the class of 79 had captives during UDG as well… I mean Junko never cared about what happened to the class of 79 and we see the relatives during 6.5 but it still makes me wonder if they ever had captives for their motive videos
(spoilers ch3 dra) yknow, except for Kinji-
If they do have captives, is it weird I want to be the one in Rei’s motive vi-
Yeah, we really don’t know what happened in the motive videos, since Yuki’s was just a video of Utsuro killing his family.
I imagine that the motives showed everyone family’s reactions to the tragedy and initial deaths as it occurred. No one says anything about being held captive in ch6.5 (prior to the literal kidnapping lol)
Nah, it ain’t weird to be someone Rei cares about!
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Propaganda
Lenon
Submitters of Lenon, haha lemon, frantically are pointing at Kanon, Leon's captive from UDG who apparently is also his stalker and cousin. She's said to have asked Leon out over a thousand times, though Leon honestly seems mostly chill with her even if he does keep rejecting her.
Monokumi
Submitters of Monokumi, which is a very funny ship name, just call it gross, likely vaguely gesturing to how they're kinda sorta not really but also are siblings and also just Monokuma's general treatment of Monomi.
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