#ableist-vegans

[fearsomeandwretched]

I do fr think the white leftists who hardcore hate vegans mostly are trying to absolve their own guilt or unresolved feelings about eating meat and animal products

#there are some asshole vegans for sure who are racist and ableist but from my own experience that is not most vegans

[unicornachos]

Getting tired of seeing gotcha posts on Tumblr lately shitting all over vegans. They've gotten more common over the past few years...

Usually it'll be a post criticising a choice like maybe 3% of vegans actually make, or more usually an imaginary vegan they've pulled from thin air based on their own stereotypes and assumptions, followed by vibes along the lines of' "I know better, actually you don't care about sustainability or human rights at all! You're completely uneducated about (insert any topic here). Gotcha! Who's the morally superior one now, huh" Followed swiftly by the implication that there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, so why try at all.

Like yeah maybe there are some young idiot vegans who think buying pleather boots is ok for the environment, but every vegan I've ever met is more likely to get a second-hand pair of leather boots at an op-shop, because it's better for the environment. Every vegan I know has cared immensely about issues with soy and quinoa, about where their food comes from, about water use and microplastics, who picks their fruit and veg, and human rights in general. More than any non-vegans I know.

So why are we still constantly berated for not doing every single other thing that non-vegans want us to do? It's starting to feel like people have a very specific idea of vegans in their heads and need an outlet for weird anger and misery and frustration, and we're an easier punching bag than the large corporations and governments who dictate the rules of our late-stage capitalist hellscape, so why not have a go?

It really feels like people are unconsciously mad with themselves that they can't do more to help the world and possibly have unexamined issues or guilt with consuming animals themselves, and feel better about themselves after telling vegans they're just not doing their activism hard enough, and that everything they buy from the grocery store is a human rights violation, so really you're just as bad as the rest of us.

Idk man I just. It really feels like a lot of whataboutism most of the time from non-vegans who have a weird, skewed view of militant white vegans, while the majority of vegans (who aren't all white, might I add) are just living their lives, trying to make the world a slightly less shitty place. We should absolutely criticise racist white vegans. Take them the fuck down. I don't think you think vegans are who you think they are, though. Vegans are from intersecting identities just like everybody else, and come from many different countries. And also there are some silly, uninformed vegans with misplaced ideas, just like there are silly, uninformed non-vegans with misplaced ideas. But if you imagine a vegan to be someone you'd hate, it's a lot easier to ridicule them to make you feel like you're right and good.

I just wish that the people who make these posts and the folks who join in and/or reblog, would take a look at themselves and think about what they themselves are doing to prevent cruelty in this world, in any shape or form. Like are you painstakingly making sure you're not buying clothes with plastic in it? Are you checking the label of every food item you buy to make sure you knew where it came from? Do you only buy your veg from local farms within 10km or only eat things from your own garden? If not, idk what to tell you, but it's probably that you should give vegans a break if you're not doing all the very things you tell us we should be doing.

It just feels like a lot of misplaced anger. Why are you so, so enraged at vegans not being perfect people when you could be going and protesting outside the farms of migrant workers, if you're so pissed about where our fruit and veg comes from? If you're mad about fruit and veg, wait till you hear of the human rights abuses in abattoirs.

When someone tells a vegan that there's no ethical consumption under capitalism, it just feels like a cop-out. You're not trying so why should anyone else, right? I just think people should be allowed to try to make the world better in their own ways, and not be ridiculed for not living up to an unattainable standard set my non-vegans.

Being vegan is about doing the least harm you can, within your means. It's not an on-off switch- it's a sliding scale of effort to do less harm. It's not stupid to acknowledge unnecessary suffering and choose not to take part in what's within your means to abstain from. Some vaccines still use animal products. Some of my medication has animal product ingredients. Am I going to go off my meds and become an anti-vaxxer? No. Do I think Indigenous Peoples should stop eating the foods they have always eaten, often for tens of thousands of years before colonisation? Of fucking course not. It's possible try to unsubscribe to shitty things in this world without doing it perfectly. The whole world would be a lot better if most people consumed 70% less animal products, than 2% of the world doing veganism perfectly.

I think most non-vegans are too afraid of what they might find out if they actually research animal agriculture so they stubbornly make excuses not to bother. So that's their choice, but until you're as perfect as how you claim we should be, literally shut the fuck up and find something more productive to do with your time, like actively try to fight against the very things you think we've all somehow decided to turn a blind eye to. Because I bet the majority of people consuming whatever unethical product you've decided on aren't vegans.

Coming across one silly vegan on the internet doesn't mean you have permission now to write off the crucial need for our planet to massively reduce animal agriculture, and the possibility that you might potentially be able to opt out of it. Criticising veganism doesn't mean you've absolved yourself of any harm you yourself are doing, and also doesn't absolve you of finding ways to do less harm to people, animals, and the planet.

And if you're pissed about vegans having moral superiority, I'd really like to see non-vegans examine their own moral superiority they seem to feel they have over vegans.

Ok signing off lol

#that felt so good #i needed to get this out of my system so bad #its a trend that i am so sick of seeing lately #veganism #vegan #i hope my username adds another layer to this post lmao #apologies about the use of stupid im tryinf to avoid ableist language but i know some slipped in there #I've been vegan for 10 whole years now and the number 1 hardest thing about going vegan is people's reactions to vegans #ridiculing vegans doesn't make you the cool edgy critical thinker you think it makes you #it actually just makes you an asshole

[compassionatereminders]

update on the weird health teacher--she gave us assignments to work with based on a video that claims, in its description, that veganism is the "secret prevention against cancer and all other so called 'diseases'" (quote from their own documentary's YouTube description), and the film starts out blaming all diabetics for their illness. Like...great. Nice to know you're super ableist and also kind of classist, because being vegan is very much a privilege! I'll go tell my friend's family they could have prevented the cancer that killed him if he had just been vegan! Thanks so much!

I can't stand militant vegans who are like this. Fucking asshole of a woman.

Drop that class if you can and report this "teacher". This is crossing the line between biased information and misinformation to a degree that isn't justifiable in a supposed educational setting! 🤮

#chat with kat #cancer tw #ableism tw #ableist blame tw #death tw #veganism tw

[insufferablefirehazard]

"Veganism is ableist"

If you need help cooking why don't you order vegan food from the person who makes the meals?

Also I bet the animals you're mistreating and literally murdering is suffering a hella lot more than you are. You're not vegan if you don't care about their rights to begin with, just plant based.

#vegan #rant #ableism #ableist #disability

[healingheartdogs]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8651U8R/

Imani really never misses. The comparison between white veganism and the pro-life movement both using the "oppression" of perfect "victims" that can't speak as a proxy to try to make themselves seem oppressed and take a moral high ground is so damn right. This is shit we've been talking about for years on social media only to get attacked by white vegans and told we're anti-veganism for criticizing them for aligning with the alt right pipeline and holding up racism, classism, ableism, and anti-semitism in their movement.

https://x.com/Imani_Barbarin/status/1703564007406223548?s=20

All of this white veganism drama really started just because Imani asked for vegan cheese recommendations, by the way. Not even because she was criticizing them (although she's very right to do so), but because they were so eager to gatekeep and show their asses when a Black disabled woman asked about opinions on vegan cheeses that melt well.

#veganism discourse #specific to white veganism #its not a coincidence that all the vegans in her replies on twitter being extremely racist ableist classist and antisemitic were white #and the people that were actually giving her vegan cheese recommendations like she asked for (which is how this started) were mainly POC #and some non-vegans #tw for all the -isms in this video and on her twitter feed btw #those white vegans really wanted to show their asses #ndr #not dog related

[the-acid-pear]

tulpa makers are truly something else i still havent forgotten my former friend who had a bunch of tulpas from btg and one of them was their boyfriend but they also fucked w a few others and they always kept me updated on whatever the fuck their tulpas were doing and i remember them also making a tulpa oc for one of the guys since they were tired of him being upset about being a side hoe. They also brutally tortured some of their tulpas just for fun but then made em go back to normal which i mean if you really believe these are real beings with sentience then i dont know why i didnt block their ass instantly bc that's a huge red flag.

#luly talks #my friend thing i talk about them often definitely the most interesting person i've ever met #toxic as fuck too but i mean. i mean. tad bit obvious in hindsight #they had also asked their tulpa bf to kill politicians (in the manga he is actually a killer for hire) but he refused. SAD! #if yall are wondering why we are no longer friends its bc i got accused of being ableist for not being vegan 👍

[mx-paint]

Another day, another ableist vegan

#'everyone that deserves to live are vegans and everyone else is a murderous psycho who should be treated as a sociopathic monster' #i hope you get help 🙏 #this isnt anything against vegans but when youre not only saying that everyone can only survive off of not eating meat #and saying that anyone that has to eat meat to survive deserves to die #i hope you understand no one is going to respect you? #and its not because youre a vegan #its because youre a classist ableist asshole #most people cant afford to not and some people literally Have to eat meat to survive #and thats not even acknowledging the cultural aspects of both eating And not eating meat #the difference between a vegetarian monk and a upper middle class vegan will astoud to mind

[typomachine]

Hello vegans,

I have an ask...

When disabled people talk about their diets or dietary restrictions, you need to hush.

Our diet and health is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. No, it is not caring or helpful when you offer advice on diet or health. It is harassment.

I'd ask reasonable vegans to please watch out for this eco-fascist eugenicist non-sense in your community.

There are some very dedicated vegan trolls out there that harass and suicide bait disabled, indigenous/ native, and poor people.

When we (disabled folks) talk about eco-fasc vegans, we're not talking about you if you aren't one of the trolls engaging in bigotry and harassment. You've got a reall ableism problem in your community. Take the ableism up with the ableists, not with the disabled folks pointing it out.

Thanks,

#I'm sorry people joke about vegans #they talk very seriously about letting people like me die #vegan #disabled #food safety #mutal aid #accessibility #accommodation #mcas #mast cell diseases #mast cell activation syndrome #food allergies #stop being ableist #veganism

[mpregdextermorgan]

one thing i've been thinking about re. disability + veganism is how people will say veganism is ableist because some disabled people have restrictive enough diets that they can't feasibly live off of solely vegan food. like it's not ableist to use other people's disability to advocate to maintain a culture where disabled people can't opt out of animal exploitation even if they want to, because no one actually wants to find better alternatives.

#i won't say vegans aren't ableist in their advocacy often enough though i've seen some out of touch shit before #this might be weirdly worded but idk #i'm not sayig there aren't innovations away from animal exploitation that will be good for disabled people #but people act like the intersection of animal exploitation and disability is a conversation-ender rather than a problem to solve #on the brain #vegan propaganda

[nightmaretour]

I've been thinking about my monthly takeaway all week and I'm having a bit of a dilemma. I've been craving fried chicken really badly for weeks. I'm probably really, really deficient in something (I've already tried upping my egg and general protein intake so it's not that and probably not B12) but I'm legitimately considering just listening to my body on it just this once so maybe it'll shut up

I'll probably regret it when I realise that it's never as good as I remember and that my body is no longer used to digesting meat and was never good at it in the first place

#I don't know if I've ever brought this up before but I'm never here to argue about dietary choices btw #Neither with people who eat meat or vegans (except occasionally when vegans choose to be ableist) #It's none of my business and I don't think it has any impact on how good someone is as a person

[my-chemical-rot]

Cutting meat out of your diet is so much easier than people make it out to be. And you don’t even have to replace it by eating a shit ton of soy or anything. People act like it’s such a bigger deal than it actually is

#i don’t think people should have to go vegetarian or be shamed for eating meat #But also some people have such a pointless vitriolic hatred for vegetarians/vegans #Like they hear you’re a vegetarian or vegan and immediately assume you’re gonna shame them for eating meat #& then immediately jump into what about quinoa what about soy you’re also a bad person you should eat meat again you’re unhealthy actually #First of all I haven’t eaten quinoa since I was like five. & I make a conscious effort to avoid filling my diet with soy #And while I’m not doing great on protein intake that has everything to do with me being an°rexic and less to do with being vegetarian lmao #And again sometimes people make dietary choices just because it’s a dietary choice it’s not a big moral stance #And like a normal ass vegetarian existing isn’t a moral position or a judgement on you for eating meat #I do think vegans who judge non-vegans often in ableist & racist ways *are* a problem but I think there’s an equal amount #of non-vegetarians/non-vegans who are dicks for no reason to normal vegetarians/vegans who are just making a dietary choice #What you eat isn’t always a grand moral position or something you have to fight tooth and nail to justify #You don’t need to prove one diet is superior to another or that you have better reasons for eating a certain way or whatever #Anyways if you wanna know the truth I stopped eating meat because that one 3OH!3 lyric. #tell your boyfriend if he says he’s got beef that I’m a vegetarian and I aint fucking scared of him

[10000000000012]

if u use “lab grown mock meats” as evidence that all vegans (most of whom dont even support the huge corporations like beyond/impossible/etc) are evil capitalists then you better not drink coke/pepsi, eat lays, get mcdonalds, etc. and you cant use the convenience/$ excuse bc youd never extend that liberty to vegans

#like if youre not vegan idgaf just dont use such bad faith arguments? #same energy as non disabled people saying veganism is ableist genocide

[batmanshole]

sooo sick of ablebodied neurodivergent / mental health advocacy that throws physically disabled people under the bus.

if someone is being ableist to you or shaming you for your mental health and you respond by telling them they wouldn't say that to a physically disabled person, you have 0 idea how ableism works.

"you wouldn't tell wheelchair user to just walk!" yes they would.

"you wouldn't tell someone with a cane to just go gluten free / vegan / etc!" yes they would.

"you wouldn't tell someone with chronic pain to just suck it up!" yes they would.

"you wouldn't say that to someone with dwarfism!" yes they would.

"you wouldn't tell a blind person they're faking!" yes they would.

"you wouldn't-" yes. they. would.

by doing this you are treating physically disabled people like our problems with ableism aren't real or aren't taken seriously. you are using us as a talking point without caring about us. you are making it clear that you don't understand how ableism affects us and that you don't care to learn.

this is not "lateral ableism" you are straight up punching down. you as an ablebodied¹ person have privilege over physically disabled people.

if you feel like saying "but physically disabled people can oppress neurodivergent people too!" true! but that's not an excuse for your behaviour. also, disabled people are 4.6 times more likely to experience frequent mental distress than abled people.² so a lot of the time it's not that they're opressing you. it is that you can't conceive of physically disabled people also being mentally ill.

¹ obviously there are cases where conditions affect both the brain and body (ie. very high support needs autism), and the line is not always clear in these cases, but these people are not the people perpetuating this problem, nor are they the ones i'm talking about in this post.

²Cree, Robyn A, et al. “Frequent Mental Distress among Adults, by Disability Status, Disability Type, and Selected Characteristics - United States, 2018.” MMWR. Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, U.S. National Library of Medicine, 11 Sept. 2020, www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7499832/

#cripple punk #disability #neurodiversity #ok 2 reblog. smiles at you.

[compost-intraining]

Okay listen I’m all for people doing their part to be more environmentally conscious but one thing I really wish was talked about more is how ableist vegan and zero waste communities can be.

A lot of disabled people NEED single use plastic straws. A lot of disabled people NEED precut, packaged vegetables. Same with veganism. I have severe anemia to the point where I have to get iron infusions because my body doesn’t absorb it properly. I tried being vegan but it was not sustainable for me because it made my health issues a lot worse. Veganism is not possible for a lot of people.

And it’s not just physical disabilities either. If your depression prevents you from cooking your own food, go ahead and get the pre made meals. Doing what you can to make things more accessible to you does not make you a bad person. This is not even getting into the financial privileges needed to have an “eco friendly” lifestyle.

If you’re zero waste or vegan that’s great, I’m happy for you but please do not try and push other people to do the same. No one owes you an explanation on why that lifestyle isn’t for them, and no one is a bad person for having a different lifestyle than you.

#vegan #Saturns rambly posts #zero waste #ableism #cripplepunk #veganism #disabled #disability #chronic illness #cripple punk #heds #pots #low waste

[is-the-owl-video-cute]

okay, i have no one else to say this to, and ARAs make me feel rabid. Sorry for this, lol. I get constantly frustrated by vegans using specism as a reason for their choice,,, outside of the irony that most of the ones i’ve seen online are super racist and ableist with more care for animals than the people who farm their food. I just think the argument is incredibly hollow. There is constantly more evidence that plants have sentience, so why are animal lives prioritized over plants? with this knowledge wouldn’t an omnivorous and sustainable diet be the most ethical from an anti-specist perspective?

They will never care about plants because many of them go by the “I don’t eat it if it has a face” mantra despite that being quite reductive and not even inclusive of most animals let alone plants or fungi which function on such a high level humans can’t even fully perceive its scope.

They’ll say omnivores only eat animals because we see them as “less than” which they acknowledge as being wrong but if you mention plants they go on about how OBVIOUSLY that’s different because a plant doesn’t have REAL feelings because they don’t have brains or even a basic central nervous system, which, is arguable, but more to the point is really not any different from saying a pig doesn’t have REAL value since it can’t read and doesn’t even have opposable thumbs.

They will flaunt that it’s difficult to argue that speciesism is fake without using an argument a white supremacist would make about poc, but it’s difficult for them to argue for the life of a plant or fungus not mattering without it sounding like something a filthy carnist would say about steak.

Point being, the tactic they use to claim comparing black people to livestock as not being racist is a very easy tactic to redirect at them because the fact of the matter is that humans have a very limited perspective. No matter what you do, you’ll always see the world through the lens of a human being.

It’s easy for a human to sympathize with something they can relate to. A pig? One of the closest genetic relatives to humans and express a lot of human-like opinions through their actions. That’s actually why I don’t personally eat pork. It’s easy to sympathize with a pig. Many people are more okay with eating fish because they’re cold blooded, slimy, don’t have arms or lungs or legs or anything a human can easily relate to, they don’t even have eyelids or a complex heart, so of course they don’t bat an eye to fishing in comparison to hunting because a fish is more primal and feels less human. Then there’s invertebrates, very few people feel guilt eating a crab, they’ll even justify boiling lobsters alive if you tell them it tastes better! After all, is that even REALLY a face? Which part is their mouth? What are those creepy antennae? Perhaps it isn’t even fit to eat since it looks so alien to humans.

Even for the plight of an insect most ARAs can stand by their principle, but what is it that makes plants and mushrooms different? No, they don’t have a face, but they still respond to different stimuli, plants and fungi can even send messages to others in their colony to warn of danger and more that we don’t really understand yet.

The average person doesn’t care about squashing a bug because they don’t see enough of themselves in it to care about its life, so why do ARAs see no issue in harming plants and fungi just because they don’t see enough similarity between them and animals?

To live, you have to take away from the life of another. That’s how life works. You can adjust your diet to suit your ethics, I certainly do, but if you’re going to try to guilt and force it on others then you could at least try to be less hypocritical.

[vegan-butch]

Calling veganism a white and privileged thing is crucial for carnists to continue to exploit animals bc it maintains the human/animal hierarchy while pretending to be radical. This, however, ignores the black, indigenous, disabled, queer, feminist, and similarly informed critiques and understandings of animal agriculture and specisism.

It is not hard to find oppressed vegans talking about why animal rights and animal liberation is important to them. If you're still calling veganism white or ableist or whatever, you're being purposefully ignorant.

#.txt #vegan #veganism #animal rights #animal activism #Anyways read the spirit of soul food