#and 11/clara in 7b has so much

[crystal-lillies]

Given how feral I go to see 11 and Clara's Affectionate Touches(tm), and how I lose my mind seeing that split second when 13 briefly holds Yaz's cheek when she starts to cry, I know I would have absolutely gone bananas, complete batshit crazy had we gotten the same level of Affectionate Touches(tm) between 13 and Yaz that we had with 11 and Clara.

#flowerspeak #doctor who #11th doctor #eleventh doctor #clara oswald #13th doctor #thirteenth doctor #yasmin khan #thasmin #i think i would have exploded also if 13 said my yaz as often as 11 said my clara #but like. point being bbc are clearly cowards and god bless jodie and mandip for giving us what they could #i would die to be in the universe where we got all of the Affectionate Touches #even if we still didn't get a kiss bc I'm generally okay w that since 13 is the most ace coded #but the Affectionate Touches(tm)....forehead touching and hand holding and face cradling and pulling close for protection #i go feral for it all #and 11/clara in 7b has so much #bbc why u gotta deprive us

[khruschevshoe]

My Hot-Take/Controversial Ranking of Doctor Who Seasons (excluding specials bc my special order is really unhinged)

3 > 1 > 10 > 4 > 5 > 8 > 11 > 12 > 9 > 7b > 2 > 6 > 13 = 7a

Disclaimer: I have favorite episodes that come from every single season on this list, including 7a. For example, even though Season 6 is low on the list, the God Complex, Almost People/Rebel Flesh, and Impossible Astronaut are some of my favorite of the show. I do really love the Power of Three. These are based on season arc/average feeling per episode/rewatchability on a subjective level.

#doctor who #listen seasons 1 and three are basically perfect television for me #season 10 is one of the most fun of the show and bill is my second favorite companion and I love the twelve/missy arc #season 4 is full of banger after banger and journey's end slaps it just doesn't quite hit for me personally like seasons 1 3 and 10 do #season 5 has some episodes i don't like (victory of the daleks for example) but the fairytale vibes/beast below/amy's choice/big bang SLAP #Season 8 has some great episodes/good arc but i just really don't vibe with how cruel the Doctor is sometimes/Danny deserved better #Season 11 (other than fucking kerblam) i really enjoy! it has some weak writing in places but i love graham&ryan's arc & the smaller vibes #Season 12 is objectively better than season 11 but has weaker character arcs and some weaker episodes so eh #season 9 has one of the best finales in the show/some fun two-parters (i adore under the lake/before the flood) but the arcs feel off #7b is...fun & i like a lot of the episodes but i don't like the name/day/time of the doctor & it drags it down + clara's not fleshed out #season 2 is so good in places (cybermen 2-parter/school reunion/new earth) but has so many weak episodes & not as much character developmen #season 6...I love some episodes but I DESPISE the pregnancy arc/let's kill hitler/wedding of river song & how little agency Amy & river hav #season 13 is just...FINE. I enjoy some of the side characters (vinder bel karvanista) but the flux itself felt weirdly...boring? no emotion #(Jodie was SO GOOD in this season though btw) #and season 7a...asylum of the daleks dinosaurs on a spaceship & angels take manhattan are on my least favorite episodes list. like bottom 1 #and I'm sorry but a town called mercy and power of three can't save that #amy and rory should have left with the god complex/christmas special and popped back like martha did in season 4 #i said what i said #wow i really went off in the tags on this one #meta #rankings

[minimoefoe]

In the most non-hateful way possible, I genuinely don’t see what’s likable about Clara. Like, why the Doctor would like her or let alone subject himself in the confessional dial for her is lost to me. She’s not very nice (and not in a fun way like Twelve and Missy), she’s dishonest and manipulative (see:Danny), and didn’t even have any real personality until series 8 (though I’ll admit, that might just be my overall dislike of 7b talking). I’m asking earnestly, be it the Doctor or the fandom, what do people like about her?

I am really bad at putting into words why I like characters so you’ve defo come to the wrong person with this question icl 😭

I feel like calling her manipulative is a bit strong. I’d need to rewatch to get my full thoughts on it but I think what her and Danny had going on in S8 was on both of them and neither of them were being horrific ppl, it was just a difficult situation. I do mildly agree that they don’t really find a proper character for her until S8, in 7b she’s mostly just there or be impossible (and I think that’s a common opinion) but I do still like her in that season bc I think her and 11 are really cute and I defo like 7b more than most ppl do lmao.

She defo has bossy moments and is by no stretch of the imagination the best person in the world but I like her a lot idk. It’s kinda funny that you say you don’t get why fans/the Doctor love her so much bc tbh I feel the same but the opposite way round, I don’t get why some ppl hate her so much 💀

If anyone else has any thoughts on why they like Clara and wants to share then feel free to bc this is not my finest work (also any other doctor who thoughts, opinons, etc are welcome in my ask box 😁)

#*dwask #doctor who #Clara Oswald #usually with me what happens is I’m really bad at explaining how I feel about a character #but then someone else will explain it #and I’ll be like wait exacltyyyyyy #why didn’t I think of saying it like that 😭

[dailywillwood]

please drop the doctor who hot takes, i'm very curious

This is such an interesting account to ask it on?

Idk if I have 'hot takes' but I do have opinions.

River is not a good character / Yes, she has such an interesting plotline and build up, but it's all coincidental. Her chemistry feels off with Amy and Rory in some episodes and I feel the only episode I like of her is the Husbands of River Song.

On that note, it was a shitty move to have Thirteen never meet River AND to have 13 'lose' the wedding ring during the 12/13 regeneration.

David should've worn 13s outfit in PotD

11 has so much *potential* that is overlooked. His goofiness is seen as a copy of 10, and his dark moments are seen as some poor attempt at meshing 9, 10, and the idea of 12.

Spy!Master deserves more episodes / Has good writing, even with the train wreck of Chibnall's stuff.

Yaz, despite being decently written for who her writer was, is not a good companion. The same goes for Ryan, Graham, and Dan.

Martha should NOT have been a companion. The Doctor only took her on because he was lonely. She was treated horribly in comparison to Rose and Donna (this isn't a hot take and is probably intentional)

They should've explored Bill's character more.

Should have explored 12 being blind more.

Clara should NOT have been 11's companion. She was HORRIBLE in 7b.

#not will wood #off the queue! #doctor who #??? #i guess #doctor who hot takes #matt smith #eleventh doctor #doctor who 2005 #uhh #was this because i tagged me when doctor who

[amystheme]

I really don’t think Moffat put all that much careful thought into 11 and Clara because he was notoriously strapped for time with the 50th and barely rewrote a word of 7B as a consequence but I do seriously appreciate how he took a look at what came out of it, saw that Clara was playing the role of the perfect 50th anniversary companion and that Matt Smith had his eye on the exit in a way that bled into 11 and thought ‘I can retroactively work with this’. And he did!

oh absolutely! perfect summary. and honestly, moffat’s best ideas come to him through some convoluted bad idea every time. it’s so interesting because I’m such a fan of his writing but whenever he talks about it I’m like. uh ??? like when 12 came around and moffat was like ‘ah! here’s a timelord clara won’t find so easy to control!’ and I’m like. dyke 12 ? do you think I care for you so little 12 ? we’re going to hell 12 ? and you’re saying he’s more difficult to control than eerie terrifying ‘I promise I won’t send you away anymore’ 11 ? I love moffat but he has NO clue bless him

#death of the author baby. I’m engaging with the text off you go steven ❤️ #I think it’s hilarious that he wrote the most terrifying new who doctor and whenever he talks about him he’s like ‘hehe. silly bow ties’ #txt

[daisylikesmedia]

Series 7 Episode 10: Hide

Welcome back to another review and we are flyingg through 7B. Today we’re going to be talking about Hide, an episode where 11 & Clara are trapped in a haunted house, and must cross into a pocket universe to save the day.

Yea this episode slaps. I’m not even someone who’s particularly into ghost stories or anything like that, but the atmosphere is nailed here just like the previous episode. The mansion itself fits that haunted house vibe soo well. Reminds me of games like Haunted Mansion/Luigi’s Mansion which I used to love playing n watching others play as a kid. All those winding corridors and dimly lit rooms, the dark forest outside, etc etc. It worked well.

Also I had completely forgotten about the creature designs this episode because the way they were designed and animated is top tier. You can see how they sort of stutter and then move obscenely fast in the outside of the frames and it makes them seem so much more jittery, unpredictable, and thus more scary. They also do just work from a body horror perspective they’re like these twisted kinda human kinda not things that walk on all fours that’s spooky by itself.

But the main reason this episode shines is because omg it’s the cutest love story ever and there are like 3 going on at the same time.. SO we’ve got Emma & Palmer, with Emma as a psychic guessing that Palmer likes her back but being scared she’s getting mixed signals (Palmer does, of course, like her back). We’ve got 11 & Clara growing closer together, with this being the story where Clara learns to get along with the TARDIS to save the Doctor despite Emma warning her to not trust him. AND BEST OF THEM ALL the twist at the end there are two of the cool twisty monster people and they just wanted to reunite so the Doctor reunites them at the end and it’s rly cute… Call me sappy I don't care this is a cute lil episode of Doctor Who and it works for me.

There is one nagging thing tho and that’s that I do find this episode is kinda heteronormative in how it deals with love? I don’t mean this just as in all 3 of it’s love stories are between men and women, but as in the Doctor describes the oldest story in the universe as being a boy and girl falling in love and I’m like, hmm is it tho? I’m no history buff but I know that gay love has been around forever and ever cause we always find a way 🙂. This is a tiny lil nitpick tho it just sorta hit me out of left field when the attention got turned into love being a boy and girl thing rather than just a thing.

Oh yea another thing the TARDIS is all like “yea if I go into the pocket universe I can only be there for like 10 seconds or I die so we gotta be quick..” and then the TARDIS flies in there TWICE and is defo in there for longer than 10 seconds. I’m sure there’s some explanation for that but I remember noticing that too gdsfkl

TL:DR/Overview: Hide came out of the shadows and bonked my pessimism about series 7B on its head. Sure, I have a couple of nitpicks about the plot and themes it’s going for, but overall the sweet love stories and the spooky ghost vibes won me over. I came into this half of the series expecting no episode to rise above B tier, as that’s how I remembered the quality of the series being, but credit to Hide. You get to go into A tier.

#daisy reviews media #doctor who #11th doctor #hide

[ichabodcranemills]

for the ask list: 17 and 23 dw? thanks !

17. Instead of XYZ happening, I would have made ABC happen…

Oh, I love a good canon-divergence. But apart from the little ones (give Yaz a girlfriend! have 13 and the Master tenderly touch foreheads!) and the BIG one (give Donna her memory back, c’mon), the plot change I gave more thought about was season 7b.

I would have the Ponds until the end, but The Snowmen goes the same (the Doctor got into a fight with Amy, idk) and all throughout the season, we’d have these little glimpses of the Clara echoes. Not always dying, just small easter eggs. Then, at the end of the season, she shows up and jumps into the Doctor’s timeline, no explanation whatsoever. THEN 11 meets the actual Clara, and he doesn’t understand a thing, but he promises they’ll try to fix this mistery together (although he can’t tell her much because paradoxes). Soon after, he regenerates. 12 and Clara go about basically how canon goes, but only after they’re already best friends, ready to tear the world apart for one another, she realizes what she has to do. Save him because she did so already, and of course she would do this for him, she loves him (she had time to grow to love him so much)

Maybe it would be a mess, maybe it would be too close to River’s story, but I think I would love it.

23. Unpopular character you love?

Unpopular in the sense of “someone people don’t like”, I don’t think anyone. But I don’t think that the Arachnids in UK guy showing up again was bad and I wouldn’t mind seeing him one last time. I wish the Doctor had kidnapped him and returned him home humiliated and traumatized, a la Adam in s1. 

But unpopular as in “someone the fandom doesn’t appreciated enough”, that would my beloved boy Ryan Sinclair, by far the most awesome member of the fam, someone who deserved to be praised by his arc and by being an all around sweetheart, and Thirteen’s favourite companion <3

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Thanks for asking!

#asks #lupescx

[sonickedtrowel]

So, long ask warning again. 😬 I'm back (if I can!).

Oh yeah. I agree with your criticism - was just thinking in terms of what the show gave us. There's precedent set (like 10 never telling Rose and THAT being a super huge "omg" moment several times throughout his time). I can see them not saying it a lot, but I do firmly believe like you that the Dr definitely told River they love her a lot more than we saw. And yeah, Let's Kill Hitler definitely was a confession - they can pry that from our cold dead hands because there's absolutely nothing else he could've said.

I mean someone could argue River always had a back up plan when she jumped out of the buildings etc but like. She absolutely didn't lmao. Opening an airlock to space? Jumping out of the high rise in 1969? Like I think Moffat wanted to create "unrest" to make it "spicy" or something - like how most TV shows won't let couples be domestic and happy - bc he definitely did that with Amy and Rory their entire time for... Absolutely no reason and attributed to about 85% of why I didn't like 11's run too much the first time I saw it. Hadn't noticed TATM was the shift for Dr/River's dynamic, but you're right (and come to think of it, wasn't that like... The first time they ever brought up "he doesn't like endings" like ever?? I mean it'd make sense, with meta and analysation, but if I remember correctly 11 didn't really show any emotions before then about endings - hell, he seemed p content in the Big Bang 2). And I would've liked to have seen it, too, if Moffat was gonna pull that shit like he did. At least give us the good angst feels (with the comfort later or else why have it at all lol) and not just say, "lol so River has more angst but we don't have time to get into that right now (or ever)." Bc I remember the first time I saw THoRS and being so confused - bc where did all that come from???? Fics have made good of what's been given but Moffat really went, "lol continuity whomst. Everything must be dark and mysterious!"

I agree with your analysis of it lol - they kinda left no other way to do it. I wish we'd gotten more of a breakdown after the Ponds. Like we know 11 became a broody sod for a year and then Clara magically pulled him out and he never really brooded again. And I suppose River saying she's fresh from Manhattan MIGHT explain why we never see more from her about it. But her being fresh from Manhattan and being perfectly okay and like That with Ramone during THoRS??? Doesn't really make sense. She's got bravado and can put up a show but there's no point to that when no one around would need the extra show (and she didn't even need to go and be around people at all, which I kinda feel like she probably didn't, at least not for a while). Esp since she didn't realize who 12 was and had accepted the Dr must be somewhere else. But yeah, Moffat was hella wrong (about far more than their established dynamic lol).

You’re so right.  Like, let’s start with JUST some quotes from River’s introductory episodes.  AND I KNOW, this is after Darillium, but I think we can all agree at the time it was written there was no intention for Darillium to have been 24 years and that this reflects her attitude to their relationship basically up to and, in fact, including TATM. RIVER: Thanks. DOCTOR: For what? RIVER: The usual. For coming when I call. RIVER: I trust this man with my life, with everything. LUX: You've only just met him. RIVER: No, he's only just met me. DOCTOR: I don't give my screwdriver to anyone. RIVER: I'm not anyone. ANITA: You say he's your friend, but he doesn't even know who you are. RIVER: Listen, all you need to know is this. I'd trust that man to the end of the universe. And actually, we've been. RIVER: You know when you see a photograph of someone you know, but it's from years before you knew them. and it's like they're not quite finished. They're not done yet. Well, yes, the Doctor's here. He came when I called, just like he always does. DOCTOR: I bet I like you. RIVER: Oh, you do. Then we have the Angels... DOCTOR: I'm nobody's taxi service. I'm not going to be there to catch you every time you feel like jumping out of a space ship. RIVER: And you are so wrong.  (I know they play this as a double-entendre but it’s clear she’s not only talking about the angel.  I mean, SHE JUMPED OUT THE SPACE SHIP.) Anyway I don’t really think I need to go on, it’s CLEAR River was under no illusions of how much she meant to the Doctor and had no doubts that he’d always show up when she called so I really really hate how we have to either reverse-engineer a mostly-off screen relationship crisis after TATM or just let her rant in THORS tinge everything we’ve seen of entire their relationship up to that point, which seems very unfair to all involved, audience definitely included. However I do think River is very far from being okay in the beginning of THORS, in a lot of ways she’s reverted to the chaotic behavior she got up to more when she was young, and does not seem at all like the much more settled older River we know, even though this is as old as she’ll be before the Library.  She’s messing around with fuckboys and though she gives the impassioned rant to Hydroflax about how she’s going to right his wrongs then she just goes to fence the diamond lol.  I see 11′s behavior in 7B (tried sulking, didn’t work, now I’m going to pick up a new human and go have adventures and ignore all of my problems and feelings) as very much the same sort of thing.  But like.  GIVE US SOME MORE CONTEXT PLEASE.  OR AT LEAST LET US KNOW THIS WAS GOING ON WHILE IT WAS GOING ON AND NOT WAY AFTER????  And now bc of this we get shit like James Goss’s takes on their relationship in BF and UUUuuuUUUUuuuughhhhhhhhhh Yea I’ll be ranting about this till the end of my days, it’s fine, it’s fine

I’m so tired

#Anonymous #doctor/river

[armageddon-generation]

SERIES 7 CLARA WAS AN ACT or 'Clara played 11 like a fiddle' -

A Study of Her Evolving Relationship with the Doctor and Her Self-Image

I don't really like Clara in Series 7.

I know people adore her chemistry with 11 - tho personally I much prefer her later.

But my God is she fascinating compared to S8/S9 Clara

Because, based on what we learn later, her apparent 'perfection' in 7B was all an act.

Fans either fall head over heels for Clara or think 7B Clara is a plot - device cipher, not a character. That's because that's exactly what she is - her characterisation is inconsistent because she's adapting to the given situation. If you fall for her you're in 11's position.

I've seen 11 and Clara's relationship compared to a long blind date - fun without serious commitment first. Thier relationship is the most explicitly romantic of NuWho since TenRose, but later in 8x05 The Caretaker when 12 thinks Clara is dating the music teacher with the bowtie because looks and acts like 11, Clara says he's "not her type." Danny, the damaged soldier hiding dark secrets, is what she's attracted to.

Clara was never attracted to 11, she was attracted to the thing underneath him, the darkness, the soldier. That's why she gets on so well with the War Doctor in the 50th.

Clara's development is about her relationship with fear - from terror in Cold War to empowerment in Listen to her recklessness in Series 9, she grows to love the thrill of it, danger within control.

She says in Death in Heaven that travelling with the Doctor "made her feel really special." It wasn't about the travelling for her, it was about the empowerment, how important it made her, because she is, fundamentally, an egomaniac.

Clara and the Doctor's relationship is built on lies. She's a liar. In series 7, 11 is hiding the truth from her, but equally, she's lying to him, leading him on. She (not maliciously I think) is manipulating him to get what she wants. This madman suddenly appears and treats her like the most important thing in the universe, and it satisfies her ego. She plays along.

Which is why I think, though 12 and Clara's relationship verges on co-dependency, her relationship with 11 is more toxic.

I think her jumping into his time stream was her first proper commitment to him - I really do care about you, oh shit, but also 'this is what makes me important, I've got to do it'

Then 11 turns into 12, trusting her with his 'true' face, and Clara freaks out - despite seeing the previous Doctors - because 11's face and the lie it represented was like a safety net. Only without that, when arguing with Madame Vastra in Deep Breath, is she forced to confront what she's playing with. Only then does she realise how much she means to the Doctor.

Her relationship with 11 was very casual, easygoing. 12 requires commitment, because he's prickly and vulnerable in a way 11 never was, and initially Clara can't deal with that.

"Clara I'm not your boyfriend"

"I never thought you were"

"I never said it was your mistake"

Is 12 recognising how one-sided their relationship was. Because 12's honesty forces Clara to be honest too - in thier first adventure he confronts her with her true nature as an "egotistical needy game player". Clara doesn't want to admit her flaws, she wants to go on living the comfortable lie of perfection.

Throughout series 8 she continues to lie and manipulate to protect herself - namely through Danny. 12 thinks Clara's boyfriend will be an 11 substitute (the music teacher) but damaged soldier Danny is a human Doctor substitute, human and manageable, because again, Clara likes to be the boss. She uses Danny as a smokescreen to hide her attraction (or connection - this isn't necessarily romantic) to the Doctor's true nature, which is why the Danny/Clara relationship never really feels right.

On his part, I think 12's constant insults ("it's because her face is so wide, she needs three mirrors") are a deliberate attempt to distance himself, to downplay his connection and dependence on her, which drops off in Series 9. Now he's the one acting

At the end of series 8 she's willing to settle with Danny because she says she "doesn't deserve" the Doctor - she isn't willing to be honest, put herself on the line, and thier dance has become a too volatile and dangerous (Missy using her - "you'd go to hell if she asked")

Then at the end of Death in Heaven Clara lies again, but this time to protect the Doctor, not herself.

Series 9 is a culmination of her arc, because she and 12 are finally honest with each other - he's openly affectionate, she's devoted - and she's able to be honest with herself. This, the efficient soldier-like attitude, the willingness to take charge (first glimpsed in Nightmare in Silver) is who she's become.

Which is why the culmination of their relationship isn't the moment 12 forgets her, it's that moment in the Cloisters of Galifrey -

"It's time you and I were honest with each other"

So yeah tldr: Don't like her in 7B but I appreciate the complexity it lends her character later and her overall arc with the Doctor is fascinating.

#the doctor #eleventh doctor #doctor who #whoffaldi #clara oswald #12 x clara #twelve x clara #11 x Clara #doctor who series 7 #doctor who series 8 #doctor who series 9 #the hybrid #bbc dw #bbc #matt smith #jenna coleman #peter capaldi #analysis #steven moffat #moffat era #danny pink #whouffle

[yesokayiknow]

give 5 opinions about clara and/or clara and the doctor--unpopular or not!

oh BOY loves of my LIFE let’s mcfreaking GO

1 - okay so i absolutely cannot STAND 11/clara just do not like it i don’t know how unpopular that is but :/ he never saw her as a person?? only a mystery??? he stalked her whole life??? kept gaslighting her??? said sexist shit to and about her??? sorry just No Thank You Not For Me

2 - whoffaldi INVENTED love i don’t care what kind of love u see it as!!! romantic platonic queerplatonic (even sexual for those of u who don’t see the doc as ace) but they are SO GOOD they are SO AWFUL i love them so goddamn MUCH and they make me cry a lot i’m sorry i just love them so much it’s embarrassing

3 - clara oswald is, objectively, kind of an awful person. and i adore her for it. something i see a lot when ppl talk about their fave characters is like a tendency to sweep any of their faults under the rug? but like. she has done SO MUCH SHADY SHIT she is a burning pile of garbage and she just keeps heaping on more fuel!! and that’s why i love her?? stop erasing the fact that clara oswald is a suicidal adrenaline junkie who would sell every entire being in the universe out in order to keep the doctor (and MAYBE her) safe

4 - i honestly don’t think clara should’ve been in series 7. like if that’d had been an echo (god what if it was oswin like can you believe they missed that opportunity??) then i would’ve got it a little but like as it is clara in 7b and clara in 8 are completely different ppl & it Infuriates me. and she REALLY shouldn’t have been in time of the doctor when that whole ep was about tying up loose ends from the ponds’ arc???

5 - the best ship in dw is 12/clara/missy no you cannot change my mind the fact that there isn’t more content for them is criminal and i WILL go to my grave saying that

#asks #anon #ask meme #thank u!!! #'but jazz if u love them so much why don't YOU create content for them' fuck you that's why #actually no i have a bunch of aus with them i've just never written them #can u tell i m not that fond of 11 fsdkjdsakjl #wait do these count as opinions sorry i am not good at talking when it's not in tags #Anonymous

[jennacolemanfans]

So I just want to address the misconception that the only reason 11 followed Clara was because of her mystery.. and that Clara’s persona was only built around that.

While I agree that her characterization was, at times, not enlightened for the sake of keeping her mystery alive, I think that was kind of the point. If they gave away too much of who/what she was, we would already know too much about her as a person. Looking back at Series 7b, it might seem like Clara wasn’t developed as a dimensioned character, but watching those episodes week to week, it didn’t actually feel that way. The reason those episodes were fun was because we didn’t know much about Clara. There were all sorts of theories flying around. (For example; if they made Clara out to be so much as a human being, the mystery of her being human/another life form would be solved.) Besides, Moffat made it up for us later.

Perhaps the reason why it looks worse now than it really was around that time, is because of the way Moffat wrote companions in Series 4-7 and 8-10. During Series 4-7, we saw the companions from the Doctor’s POV. Characters were left under the shadow of a God-like Doctor. With 12’s arrival, I believe there has been a shift somewhere along the way. We started seeing the Doctor from the companion’s POV and not the other way around. Clara’s mystery and Series 7b character was built on how the Doctor perceived her, rather than who she really was. Granted, we didn’t trust her enough to comfortably share Clara’s POV and not the Doctor’s, anyway. When 12 came, we didn’t trust him, but we were used to Clara, so it was the perfect time for the -much needed- shift.

And one last thing. The Doctor didn’t chase Clara because of her mystery. The Doctor chased her because he found out she wasn’t dead - so he realised he still had a chance with her. It’s not the same thing. He asked her to be his companion long before she died. They bonded right when 11 noticed Clara wasn’t trying to run from the Doctor even when he said he would wipe her memory. Then, 11 told everyone to stay in the room but Clara followed him - that’s when he knew she was the one. He took his umbrella for Clara to reach the stairs for the TARDIS, because he knew she was clever enough to come up with a plan (his plan!) even when the enemy was right in front of them and the Doctor was teasing her with light hearted power play. He knew she was on her level. And finally, after Clara confronted him about the umbrella, the Doctor asked her to be his companion. Clara said yes. All of this happened before Clara died.

#clara #whouffaldi

[dannifielding]

Can I ask, in regards to Clara's romantic feelings for Danni, when do they begin? I imagine, hopefully, that they started before she fell into the doctor's time stream. Even if they were just a crush based on physical attraction that later grew. But if so, when do you think that was? Annnnd, do you think you might someday write that moment as an outtake? That moment during series 7B where Clara 'wants'/notices danni in that way, have danni oblivious, but 11 notice the change immediately? Wary?

Clara has fancied Danni since the moment she met her, really. At first it was a just a physical thing, then she saw how brave she can be when she was protecting Merry in Rings of Akhaten and it began to grow into a crush.

Had Clara been left to her own devices, it would have fizzled out whens he met Danny Pink and that would have been the end of it. Jumping into the Doctor’s time stream solidifies it when its melded with his own feelings for his wife. 

I’m actually holding back on an outtake for it because I want to leave it for the main story. I have a plan for it, and so I want to keep it to my chest until then.

For Eleven he’s only bothered when she ‘falls in love’ with Danni after she’s jumped into the time stream, partly because he’s not bothered about people crushing on Danni as much as he makes out because it’s only a crush compared to her actually having stronger feelings, and partly because he knows the lengths he’d go to if it meant keeping Danni by his side, and he knows Clara has that ambition now as well.

I hope that answers your question in part, but like I said I have plans to reveal more at the end of Season 8 so I can’t give any more XD