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thespoonisvictory · 3 years

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Okay, you don't know how obsessed I am with pre-canon stuff. Please share things.

ask and you shall receive!

Here is my lore document dubbed "The fuck it everything is canon au"

My version of canon: no sbi family canon! Even if it is best, I wanted to do elaborate backstories, and they are all Like brothers, with phil being Like a dad

Pre SMP Earth: Wilbur: he starts on this universe’s version of smplive. He meets schlatt and they become close friends. They start up business ventures together, only for it to go horribly wrong, with the server collapsing in on itself over time. Lost, he decides to try out tournament competition in the form of Minecraft Monday (I’d give it an actual name lmao), aka melees, pvp, etc. Think hunger games except voluntary and you don’t actually die.

Techno: becoming famous as a competitor on Hypixel! This is where he begins to take on the blood god persona, and develop a reputation for being a strong pvper. Looking for what to do with this, he joins, you guessed it: MCM

Phil: after holding a record for longest amount of time survived in a hard core world, he dies, thrusting his name up into fame in pvp circles. Sure enough, he gets invited to participate in MCM.

Tommy: still a kid lmao, but grows up as techno’s little brother in hypixel, idolizing him even as he grows more detached

Tournament Era: As fate would have it, crowd favorite Wilbur Soot (he’s not good at competing but charismatic and friendly) gets teamed with top competitor Technoblade (loved, but also feared and not treated kindly by some of his competitors)! No one thinks they’re going to hit it off, but even though they don’t win, they get on like a house on fire.

Shortly after, Techno and Phil get teamed, and then Phil and Wilbur, and there’s a moment of realization of “huh, we’re kind of a power trio, and all good friends now.” they mesh together unbelievably well as competitors, but also as genuine friends. Tommy is like the little brother hanging out with the cool older kids.

MCM essentially ends somehow, but while wilbur goes off to meet the sky gods and basically get traumatized in pursuit of knowledge and connections, phil and techno decide to take over a world: SMP earth

SMP Earth: for a while, phil and techno rule by themselves over smp earth, calling themselves the Antarctic Empire (their home base), but they quickly realize they need like… a pr person, because they’re good at the taking over but not the keeping people happy part.

Enter Wilbur. They invite him and he’s like lmao what, but accepts the job. He instantly starts making negotiations with other worlds, weaseling his way into the techno phil duo, and generally improving the now infamous rep they have. Og sbi is at its strongest here, and they truly do good work together

Wilbur’s work includes meeting Niki and having her as a liaison with Chelor, her home server (aka the loh fic I wrote), making connections just in general, and so, so much hearing out citizen’s complaints.

He also starts getting a lot closer with techno’s brother tommy, who he sees a lot of himself in, and tommy slowly starts to favor wilbur because he like, actually pays attention to him. Tommy starts business bay in some capacity, but also spends a lot of time shadowing wilbur and learning from him.

Things are going well mostly, but because of an elaborate conflict I’ve started writing out, wilbur gets into an elaborate argument with phil and techno about Political Things, and the Empire splits up for plot reasons I won't disclose in case I ever actually write it. While they try to pretend like this won’t affect their personal relationship, it clearly does and they all know it

This starts not only wilbur’s Words over Weapons policy, but Techno’s deep seated distrust of government and the belief it makes people and relationships worse, along with Phil siding with Techno over Wilbur (Tommy supports Wilbur, but quietly™)

What could’ve been one of the powerhouses of the universe with sbi’s skills crumbles due to ideological differences and personal issues, rip. Once again, they try to pretend like everything is fine, but in the next tournament they compete in together (this universe’s mcc 7 and mcc has been going on in the background whoops), it’s another big blow up fight that causes Wilbur to angrily leave over their loss, fracturing them fully

Hot off the anger of this disaster, Wilbur fucks off to the dream smp , where he meets up with Tommy, and the dsmp plot as we know it kickstarts.

#asks #spoon's pre dsmp au

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raisansgrapeon · 3 years

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My Views on Some of the Cast of the DSMP

We got a lot of things flying left, right, and center right now about characters in the dream smp fandom and I love it. I love seeing the perspectives and the stances and everyone's opinions as long as we're all being civil about it. So, I'm civilly putting in my two cents about... Well... Everything. But mainly just Ghostbur, Phil, and Techno since this post would get obscenely long if I did everyone.

I'd like to just say one thing about my approach to this story:

The characters are morally ambiguous. No one is the good guy. No one is the bad guy. No one is an exception.

Yes, even Dream falls under this.

These are all people, and I always hesitate to call people bad or good in real life because there is so much more beyond what I can see of them, and I think it's a testament to the wonderful acting, improv, writing, and character establishment/writing that it can get me to see fictional block men who do things like claim their mother is a salmon and fill their palaces with flamingos as people.

With that information, I say that I love every character for who they are in the context of the narrative and how they play their role in said narrative.

And I love how each and every one of them are in the wrong somehow in some way.

Ghostbur is suffering the loss of everything he built, technically, a fourth time over.

First with Dream's initial explosion of L'Manburg, second with the actual explosion of L'Manburg, third with the explosion of Logstedshire, and finally with the final explosion of L'Manburg. He's hurting and yes, we all feel immensely bad for this little amnesiac ghost boy who only ever wrote books and built what he loved.

But he acknowledges that he's also hurt people. He knows that. That's why he wants to be resurrected. Even if he forgets conversations, impressions and residual feelings and ideas still hold over, since he clearly didn't just forget about his desire to be resurrected after he forgot his spat with Phil. He recontextualizes his desires and feelings under new sources but the idea of, this is the only way I can make everyone feel better, still lingers. Fundy told him that he needed to stop running away from his problems and face them. He may have forgotten that conversation, but the idea that who he is and what Ghostbur, as an entity, represents is hurting everyone, lingers.

Ghostbur has hurt people. Not of malicious intent, but intent does not dictate the feelings and actions of those around you in response to your own actions. Ghostbur uses his blue to forget his sorrows, and that action cuts those around him off from the emotional reconciliation Ghostbur knows they need from him.

Even then, who he is is not primed to deal with the fallout that would come if he even had voluntary control over his amnesia. Ghostbur insists he's not Alivebur, but he kinda is in a way. Both are very rigid in their beliefs when their mind is made up. There is no negotiation afterwards. Ghostbur's fundamental ideals have been locked in from the start of his existence. He makes others happy, and he restores L'Manburg. The idea that he no longer has the capability to do either of these things as he is now lingers without context. A ghost of a conversation forgotten that got held onto as the only good thing to come out of it.

Ghostbur is not 100% good. He's airheaded and well meaning, but he's never addressed the core issues that he caused.

Phil is trying to prevent what happened to his son from ever happening again.

Phil is a bigger picture man. He sees the world around him as a collective that works together to maintain itself. He doesn't have many personal ties beyond Techno and Wilbur in canon. He truly acts like a third-party hanging above the fray watching as the tides of war ebb and flow. He sees the corruption and sickness that lies within L'Manburg that killed his son thrive long after the mad king had been struck down. He held hope that in the wake of tragedy, Tubbo and the citizens would turn the tides, but they proved him wrong. What killed his son tried to kill his friend, and Phil was going to stop it.

But Phil was too zoomed out to see the personal aspect that L'Manburg held. He was too focused of the bigger picture to remember that Friend was in his house. He couldn't see L'Manburg as the home of many. He was still too detached from the feelings of the people to understand why Ghostbur was upset in the first place. The conversation between the two was not about Phil trying to get Ghostbur to understand why L'Manburg needed to go, it was Ghostbur trying to get Phil to understand why this was not the right option.

Philza has hurt people. He hurt his son by not only aiding in the destruction of his son's home and Friend, but also refusing to see the individuals in the conflict. He hurt Fundy by rejecting him the moment he realized that his grandson was following the tide of battle in the wrong direction. In the end, Phil never chose to see the situation from any other perspective other than his own.

He's disjointed and disconnected from the world around him. He truly loves and cares for two, at one point three, people on the server canonically and beyond that is an ambiguous blur. This isn't really his battle, in all honesty. He came when he saw that Wil was gonna do something everyone would regret, and he tried to step in and stop it, but beyond that, he was never there for anything. He never cared about L'Manburg and he never cared about its people. He's kind and caring to those in passing and he has a sense of nobility and honor where he respects and helps those who helped him. Still, he sees the world around him as a collective, and rarely anything more.

Philza is not 100% good, but he's not 100% bad. He's principled and intelligent, but he has no concept of how his actions affect the individual beyond the collective.

Techno has been abandoned and played like a fiddle this whole time.

Technoblade is, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the most straightforward character in the smp in terms of motivation. He is explicit and blatant about his anarchy and goals. Yet, somehow, everyone keeps falling into the thought that Techno is a naturally passive force that can be activated into action. In actuality, Techno is very proactive. He prepares and plans beyond wartime. He acts swiftly and precisely. He follows Sun Tzu's tenants faithfully. He does not idle and sticks to his most recent plan to a T if he thinks he can win.

But Techno doesn't see outside himself. He knows what works for him but is blind to others' needs and desires. Anarchy is how Techno can live comfortably, but not everyone can and certainly not everyone in the server. He plays by his rules and rational and imposes those thoughts onto others, not understanding when they act contrary to his understanding and thus rules them to being irrational on purpose. That they just want to ruin his life.

Techno has hurt people and we all know this. Everyone here believes that Techno betrayed them not when he wouldn't join their government, but when he wouldn't leave well enough alone. He did that too late. If he had conceded at the end of the Manburg-Pogtopia war that he did what he was called to do and just left for retirement in the first place, he could've lived just fine. But he's proactive, and he felt betrayed by them when they instantly instilled not only a new leader, but one under the same format and structure that had already failed twice. But who ever said that was his problem?

Techno, as well as everyone but especially Techno, sees himself as the one in the right all the time. He doesn't regret a single thing he's done, at least not anywhere I've seen. He is sure in his beliefs, lifestyle, principles, and logic. He enforces these on other's and sees them as ignorant and dumb for thinking different to him. It takes a lot for him to let bygones be bygones, and it's easy to provoke him into action. Albeit, none of this is helped by the literal chorus of voices constantly memeing in his head, but my point still stands.

Technoblade is not 100% bad, nor is he 100% good. He's motivated and honest, but he doesn't think about other's preferences having the possibility of having a logic behind them.

I could go on and on with nearly every main player in this story but this is what I have off the top of my head.

Basically: no one is good. No one is bad. They all make mistakes as a result of their flaws and those mistakes negatively affect real people in real ways. And I wouldn't have them act any other way.

Your favorite doesn't need to be a saint. You don't have to bend over backwards to defend your fave in order to make them the morally correct person in any given situation. Let yourself love a rich, flawed character. Because they deserve to be loved for their flaws and all.

They deserve to be loved as people.

#ghostbur #technoblade #philza #ph1lza #wilbur soot #philza minecraft #dream smp #dsmp #dsmp wilbur #dsmp philza #dsmp techno #dream smp writing #character analysis #dream smp analysis #dream smp doomsday #dream smp spoilers

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l-sincline · 3 years

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Today (Doomsday) was extremely anticlimactic and I ramble semi-sloppily about it under the cut- enjoy some unfiltered creative writing lover’s issues.

(There is a TL;DR at the end)

Dear lord, where to even begin. Today was a mess, and not in the nicely crafted “everyone’s supposed to be shocked and confused” way, but in the “yikes... was this planned out well at all” way.

The first, beyond giant offender, is the action of the ‘villains’ arriving early. There were so many missed opportunities with them not arriving early, and it did a huge punch in the gut to the suspense. First and foremost, so many characters of l’manburg were not given the chance to wrap up the loose ends they currently had, at no point where they all able to communicate what was happening to each other. I want you to imagine quickly the kind of content that could’ve been gotten from a ‘the rest of L’manburg finds out Niki and Fundy have decided to turn against their own country’ interaction. Or even from a ‘Quackity almost ran away, but was able to sort himself out and do the right thing’ conversation. And most importantly; a reveal of what the hell Dream did to Tommy in exile kind of conversation. Something that this event needed a lot that it didn’t get was a heartfelt rallying and sharing of feelings before the big war. Tensions that have been running high through this entire arc disappeared in moments because there was no chance to address or bring them to light. Hell, Tommy and Tubbo’s conversation was extremely short lived, and they should’ve had a deeper discussion than they did. I’d honestly argue that Tommy’s conversation with Sapnap was more effective.

The second issue was, of course, that arriving early didn’t allow the suspense to build. Even as someone who was watching Technoblade’s stream when Dream appeared to tell them that they’d be leaving early, any notion of suspense I had once felt immediately dissipated, I knew they’d be caught off guard and I knew that it would be a loosing battle. And if you didn’t watch technoblade’s stream, I’m sure you were quite caught off gaurd and confused, even Tommy himself seemed to be quiet confused as to why they were already there. No one was ready to face the enemy, and you know that as soon as Tommy smacks the ground and dies for the first time that it’s a losing battle. I want you to now imagine the tension, the suspense that could’ve been built as team L’Manburg sets aside their differences to gear up together, to stand their ground together and wait, heads held high as they look for Technoblade and Dream to appear on the horizon, ready to fight with all they have, win or lose. Now of course, we unfortunately didn’t get that, we got a whole bunch of confused yelling and the beginning of an extremely anti climactic, losing battle. (Although... if you’re team technoblade like me I guess it was a winning battle?)

Well jeeze, I’ve already written two big paragraphs, what else could I have an issue with? For one, there was nothing really on the line this battle. The entire time I found myself basically begging for someone to lose a canon life (or die, in the case of our one life left friends) to add some sort of real big danger or give a “holy shit...” moment. Of course, this didn’t happen. Everyone got picked off like flies but none of them really mattered. If I had to give an example of a good choice of canon death, I would point out the moment where Tubbo seemed to jump infront of the rocket Technoblade had launched at Tommy while they were arguing over the crater. Not to throw you into another scenario or anything, but think about the reaction Tommy could’ve had to Tubbo sacrificing his life for him, after all that time in exile thinking Tubbo didn’t care. Realizing that his best friend did care, and that the villain infront of him just took away his best friend forever. A little gloomy, sure, but this is war. And quite frankly it would’ve been a little more interesting for the President of the worlds largest crater to die than to just be left alive with... well the worlds largest crater. There are plenty of other points where a canon life could’ve been taken that would’ve worked well, that’s just the one that sticks out to me the most.

Another thing of note is that there really apparently needs to be some “okay, your turn to talk” ques. Because my god, I don’t think I’d ever been more frustrated than when Tommy and Technoblade just kept. Shouting. Over. Each other. In the crater. They both have some fantastic things to say, but between the constant exploding TNT, the other people talking, and them shouting over each other, it was extremely hard to really enjoy the scene and digest what it was and what it meant.

In the overall scheme of things, I had really hoped this would be a tv show sort of finale for them, just to give a break, maybe even get some filler in there if they wanted to. But it does seem that they’ll be jumping right back into it, which, I’m not entirely a big fan of. This entire arc has been tiring and extremely rushed at some points. It’s been a near constant barrage of lore from all sides, and when they finally get to a plot point that could leave some room for filler or for a little breather, they seem to speed right over it. There should’ve been more time with Tommy hiding under Technoblade’s house, is the big one that comes forward to me. There should’ve been more time with introducing the butcher army. There should’ve been more time for Tommy and Technoblade to bond (so that their separation and later argument could be more of a punch in the gut than a sigh of disappointment) And most of all, someone should’ve been put in the prison. I felt at the beginning that someone would for sure get put in the prison today. During the stream, I hoped for someone to get put in the prison. At the end of the stream, I found myself wishing the damn thing would stop teasing me. It has been in the back of everyone’s minds for so long and it made so much sense that someone would’ve gotten put in it today. Unfortunately not the case.

There are many other things that I could say about the rest of this arc, but I’ll leave it at that since I did say I would be talking about Doomsday. I genuinely hope I don’t sound like I hated this entire arc- I didn’t! I just think there are quite a few things that could’ve been handled and written better. Well, no changing the past.

TL;DR: Techno, Philza, and Dream shouldn’t have arrived early. This led to a loss of important character moments and suspense. There was nothing on the line in this battle due to the loss of no lives from anyone and the boys need to learn to stop talking over each other. The entire arc was rushed and a little tiring. End cap: please don’t hate me I love the DSMP I just think it could be better.

(also I didn’t do any proof reading on this so if things are wrong we die like jason todd)

#mcyt #mcyt fandom #dream smp #tommyinnit #technoblade #dream #exile arc #doomsday arc #dream smp fandom #hahaha im tired

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