#bookjon > showjon

[daenystheedreamer]

Thoughts on Jon x Satin?

positive 👍 i like. was a bit insane during my satin period in 2021 but im normal now. nice normal fluffy boy's love. in the same way i think jon and tormund bed and breakfast beyond the wall is the nice ending for showjon i think jonsatin is the nice ending for bookjon. would love if satin was the one who killed ygritte ooooo shoving aside the female love interest in favour or yaoi that's so ao3 of them.

#ask #Anonymous

[sherlokiness]

This might ruffle some feathers but I think jonsa was always supposed to be in the books only but with enough hint in the show. Is this delulu? I'm a jonsa babes. The dynamic in the show of Dany and Jon can explained in the books with Political Jon. It makes sense to me that they'll have sex. The thing that is missing in all this imo is someone being a bride!!!!! And a marriage of love. We got this with Rhaegar and Lyanna which was superimposed with Aegony sex.

But if jonsa was never in the cards then what do we expect in the books?

So in the books, Jon and Dany are gonna be in love and they're even expected to marry with Jon as Dany's third husband. What we do know for a fact tho is that Jon is gonna betray Dany, not necessarily kill her, down the line. So that would make book Jon blind as fuck that he even went as far as to marry a tyrant? Not only would he then be betraying Dany as his aunt and Queen but as his wife?!! Aegony marriage hinges on Jon Snow's utter blindness because why couldn't Jon see the signs that Dany's not all she cracked up to be? We can then attribute Jon's blind clues to JD love. I thought Jon was gonna drown in Sansa's eyes(Cat's eyes) and see through them- Arya was "blind" and she saw through a cat's eyes and there's also that wooden box where the "truth" could be seen and read only by Cat using one eye- Cat's eye.

But maybe seeing through Sansa's eyes means Jon is gonna be blind as AGoT Sansa who was in love with a beautiful monster who had their nice moments? Basically, Jon's blindness will not make him wiser like Odin but dumber.

There's also a big mischaracterization with showJon where he got disgusted with being with his aunt but bookJon is expected to marry her. Maybe Dany will not go the villain route like in the show and Jon will be in the right to be in love with her because what's not to love? I really doubt this tho.

As a Jonsa tho, what I expect are two heroes who will fall in love while a sacrifice is needed for their happy ever after. Dany is that sacrifice. All in all, what I expect is not that different from the Aegonys to be honest. It's just who is the hero and the heroine?

#anti-aegony #ice and fire boy and nothing so sweet

[fedonciadale]

What do you think the long term issues were in the GOT show when they decided to have Jon murdered for letting the Free Folk through instead of a another watch to save Arya.(in the show it would be Sansa) I feel that it made Jon finally betraying Dany obvious. He’s abandoned vows several times in the past for love of his family. Maybe it made it too obvious?

Hi there!

in retrospect some of the main flaws of season 7 and 8 were already present in earlier seasons and they had repercussions.

One is that they often hid plot twists simply by skipping PoVs that might give away their game. It was just not that obvious when they still followed the books. In season 3 they skipped all the moments in Catelyn's arc that helped build up the tension in the books. In the books you read her chapters and you just know that something will happen. The tension is about what will happen. They still used this method in season 8 with the result that they completely cut out Jon's PoV and neglected the Starks to hide the twist. And it made me care less for the Starks. You need to understand motivations to relate to people.

Another flaw was the whitewashing they did with many of the male characters (and the sinister presentation of characters like Sansa). Jon on the show is much less grey than in the books. They spared him all the more difficult decisions. The question is: Did they do this to hide the twist? Or did they do this because of the general tendency to whitewash men?

I actually think it's the latter and that hiding Jon's tendency to break oaths was a side effect. They did not really hold back in showing that Jon loves Sansa (in whatever way) in season 6. He decided to fight for his family even though he had wanted to go South and get warm literal moments before Sansa arrived.

Of course, Jon as the "cinnamon roll" who cannot lie (????) was a retcon that helped D&D hide the final DarkDany twist, but I think the problem lies even deeper: They were not prepared to show the dark or grey side of men they assumed to be fan favs. Just look at what they did with the Hound and Tyrion.

Thanks for the ask!

#anon ask #Anti GoT #Anti D&D #BookJon vs ShowJon #Flaws in GoT were present way before season 7 #But they were not that blatant because the plot of the books was still available #Hiding PoVs is not a good method to hide plot twists #It makes the audience unatttached

[simmring]

"What in the seven hells is it?" Greyjoy was saying.

"A wolf," Robb told him.

"A freak," Greyjoy said. "Look at the size of it."

...Half-burried in bloodstained snow, a huge dark shape slumped in death...

"It's no freak," Jon said calmly. "That's a direwolf. They grow larger than the other kind."

Theon Greyjoy said, "There's not been a direwolf sighted south of the Wall in two hundred years."

"I see one now," Jon replied.

Bran tore his eyes away from the monster. That was when he noticed the bundle in Robb's arms. He gave a cry of delight and moved closer. The pup was a tiny ball of grey-black fur, its eyes still closed... "Go on," Robb told him. "You can touch him."

Bran gave the pup a quick nervous stroke, then turned as Jon said, "Here you go." His half brother put a second pup into his arms. "There are five of them."

"Direwolves loose in the realm, after so many years," muttered Hullen, the master of horse. "I like it not."

"It is a sign," Jory said.

Father frowned. "This is only a dead animal, Jory," he said... "Do we know what killed her?"

"There's something in the throat," Robb told him, proud to have found the answer before his father even asked. "There, just under the jaw."

His father knelt and groped under the beast's head with his hand. He gave a yank and held it up for all to see. A foot of shattered antler, tines snapped off, all wet with blood.

A sudden silence descended over the party... Even Bran could sense their fear, though he did not understand.

His father tossed the antler to the side and cleansed his hands in the snow. "I'm surprised she lived long enough to whelp," he said...

"Maybe she didn't," Jory said. "I've heard tales... maybe the bitch was already dead when the pups came."

..."No matter," said Hullen. "They be dead soon enough too."

Bran gave a wordless cry of dismay.

"The sooner the better," Theon Greyjoy agreed. He drew his sword. "Give the beast here, Bran."

..."No!" Bran cried out fiercely. "It's mine."

"Put away your sword, Greyjoy," Robb said. For a moment he sounded as commanding as their father, like the lord he would someday be. "We will keep these pups."

"You cannot do that, boy," said Harwin, who was Hullen's son.

"It be a mercy to kill them," Hullen said.

Bran looked to his lord father for rescue, but got only a frown, a furrowed brow. "Hullen speaks truly, son. Better a swift death than a hard one from cold and starvation."

"No!" He could feel tears welling in his eyes, and he looked away. He did not want to cry in front of his father.

Robb resisted stubbornly. "Ser Rodrik's red bitch whelped again last week," he said. "It was a small litter only two live pups. She'll have milk enough."

"She'll rip them apart when they try to nurse."

"Lord Stark," Jon said. It was strange to hear him call Father that, so formal. Bran looked at him with desperate hope. "There are five pups," he told Father. "Three male, two female."

"What of it, Jon?"

"You have five trueborn children," Jon said. "Three sons, two daughters. The direwolf is the sigil of your House. Your children were meant to have these pups, my lord."

Bran saw his father's face change, saw the other men exchange glances. He loved Jon with all his heart at that moment. Even at seven, Bran understood what his brother had done. The count had come right only because Jon had omitted himself. He had included the girls, included even Rickon, the baby, but not the bastard who bore the surname Snow, the name custom decreed be given to all those in the north unlucky enough to be born with no name of their own.

Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.

"The direwolf graces the banners of House Stark," Jon pointed out. "I am no Stark, Father."

Their lord father regarded Jon thoughtfully. Robb rushed into the silence he left. "I will nurse him myself, Father," he promised. "I will soak a towel with warm milk, and give him suck from that."

"Me too!" Bran echoed.

The lord weighed his sons long and carefully with his eyes. "Easy to say, and harder to do. I will not have you wasting the servants' time with this. If you want these pups, you will feed them yourselves. Is that understood?"

Bran nodded eagerly...

"You must train them as well," their father said. "You must train them. The kennelmaster will have nothing to do with these monsters, I promise you that. And the gods help you if you neglect them, or brutalize them, or train them badly. These are not dogs to beg for treats and slink off at a kick. A direwolf will rip a man's arm off his shoulder as easily as a dog will kill a rat. Are you sure you want this?"

"Yes, Father," Bran said.

"Yes," Robb agreed.

"Keep them, then. Jory, Desmond, gather up the other pups. It's time we were back to Winterfell."

...Halfway across the bridge, Jon pulled up suddenly.

"What is it, Jon?" their lord father asked.

"Can't you hear it?"

"There," Jon said... "He must have crawled away from the others."

"Or been driven away, their father said, looking at the sixth pup. His fur was white, where the rest of the litter was grey. His eyes were as red as the blood of the ragged man who died that morning. Bran thought it curious that this pup alone would have opened his eyes while the others were still blind.

"An albino," Theon Greyjoy said with wry amusement. "This one will die even faster than the others."

Jon Snow gave his father's ward a long, chilling look. "I think not, Greyjoy," he said. "This one belongs to me."

- George R.R. Martin, Bran I, A Game of Thrones

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[reginarubie]

All righty . Considering you have been given the epithet of Hag by none other than our favourite grandma stumpy , you gotta tell us about how you stumbled across Jonsa ?

Hello!, well I admit I did deserve the epithet since I did bring coal instead of gifts 🤷🏼‍♀️ Grandma Stumpy has spoken so I am now proudly the Hag. That said…

How I stumbled across JonSa…first of all, I started to watch the show before I read the books. From season1 on Sansa has been my fav character and I always liked showJon even if, if given the choice between bookJon and showJon I would choose bookJon everyday — sorry Kit — and there were all these things that kept piling up.

It looked like they had this paralleled journey to the point that, while I had not yet read the books, around the time Sansa reached the Vale I was already pretty sure she and Jon would’ve reunited and become a block together — even only sibling-like — then I started to read the books and I started to appreciate even more the foreshadowing and the for real parallel journey they are doing. Like… they want the same things, they share the same core values and their journey seems to hint to a relationship or at least to feelings between them.

I never bought in the Jonerys possibility and although I do see the possible potential it never really interested me and I was always creeped out by ships like Jon/Ygritte or Sansan or Sanryon..

Then s6 happened and the visuals, the way the scenes were shots — like c’mon the way they did it was pretty romantic to me — and I matured this idea that, although maybe they would never play out completely — I never did expect their marriage show-wise — I was pretty sure Sansa was the turning point for Jon and that their relationship would play a very big role in the show, that even if they never acted on their feelings those feelings would be there and be the reason for many things to happen.

So, I think I had been inching towards JonSa all the while — when I merely saw the show and when I started to read the books as well — but the big moment to me happened after they reunited, in that scene they share near the fire, eating soup and generally unable to look at each other differently than “oh you so precious, I’m gonna not even blink because I am afraid you will disappear” and I was like “bought bought, I am completely bought on this one”

Thank you for the ask! 🙏🏻 hope you have an amazing day and night to rock 2022 in!

#ask the Hag

[happyjonerys]

Imagine BookJon stealing ShowDany from ShowJon

I have not read the books but from what I have heard, bookJon is different than ShowJon while ShowDany is quite similar to BookDany? In which case, yes I fully support this nonnie.

#jonerys #Anonymous

[asknightqueendany]

I dont underdstand antis. They claim that bookJon and showJon are different people and one shouldnt judge one for others actions. But they blame bookDany though she hasnt murdered thousands of innocents! Yhey are like Varys.

Antis...are a class in their own. You cannot argue with them. You cannot present facts to them. You cannot quote canon at them. You cannot use logic on them. You just can’t talk to them. It doesn’t work.

Everything is to their convenience and if it goes against their opinions and theories, it’s not real. 

The writers of GOT are only bad writers when Sansa comes off in any kind of negative light. But everything else makes sense when it comes to glorified-extra-Jon and mad-queen-Dany.

The book characterizations are only valid in terms of Sansa but not when it comes to the fact that Dany is much gentler and kinder in the books. 

It’s...all double standards. 

[justadram]

Comparing bookJon to showJon feels like comparing Doran Martell in the books to Doran Martell on the show. They are not even the same character, and the show didn’t do them any favour.

You know, I wasn’t even invested in the Martells, but the show really did them dirty. Not that there aren’t some issues with GRRM and Dorne, but you know... worse on the show. Jon was a little different from his book self right from the start and some of that is because we don’t get Jon’s interior life? But this season we basically got nothing. He sort of ran around looking lost and useless. Sad really that we didn’t get a better send off for the character.

[falconstarfall]

Jon Snow goes like this:

BookJon > ShowJon s1-6 >>>>>>>>>>ShowJon s7-8

#i’m not a big fan of what the show did with Jon #but at least the s1-6 version had lines #and a personality #and a brain

[thedreamergirlofsummer]

SPOILERS FOR S8E2! Avoid spoilers by blacklisting #got spoilers

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Did anyone else get an LoTR feeling when Pod sang Jenny's song around the table? Similar to Pippin singing in Denethors hall as the battle rages outside.

Also Gendrya and Braime 😭😭😭😭😭❤️ Those scenes just broke my heart so fucking much that I was crying, Gendry and Arya's kiss, and especially when Jaime knighted Brienne, it was such an emotional scene 💕I was crying and clapping and their gazes were so intense! If you don't get a Braime intimate scene I'm going to riot!

The callbacks to Shireen. 💔

Finally a glimpse of Ghost, thank heaven.

Theon * Sansa was just emotionally charged. I'm a bit... scared that they had a shot in the couples montage of Jenny's song but I'm not that worried. If the season ends on Theonsa I have absolutely no problems. Theon and Sansa understand each other like no one else. I'll ship them as much as I ship Jonsa.

Yet I'm holding on to a little hope here, since Jonerys wasn't in that scene. Jon telling Dany the truth pissed me off in the moment, but Dany's reaction to it was just scary. He'd been avoiding her since he'd been debating over everything.

I'm losing some faith in PolJon, since it seems a bit complicated for the oversimplified version in the show. BookJon would, I'm not so certain of ShowJon. Yes you can see my frustration at no Jonsa scenes... yet I have faith in this ship. Also I'm a bit confused... that shot of Sansa in the trailer, looking utterly heartbroken as she stares at someone in the distance, where was that scene?? We didn't see it in the episode, does it happen after the Battle of Winterfell? Idk, my brain is just all over the place and I'm excited for E3.

Gotta sleep, I'll blog some more after the rewatch!

#jonsa #got spoilers #braime #gendrya

[rhiawriter]

Is Jon just as ‘broody’ in the books?

I think a fair amount of book fans would say no, but I think they’re missing some things about Jon in the books. He has a chip on his shoulder and a hidden temper. He’s very reflective and has a lot of emotional shit to work out and also has a tendency to isolate himself. So in all those ways he’s broody.

I always found ShowJon to be more sullen and petulant than broody, and BookJon isn’t like that. BookJon also shows way more agency and intelligence than ShowJon. Things just seem to kind of happen to ShowJon, but BookJon is super smart, planning, taking agency, and leading. 

[fangirlsfancyfandoms]

Leak discussion

Leak about to be discussed, dont read further if you have no desire to potentially get spoiled.

From what ive seen, grrm said the ending of the show will be similar to the ending of the book.

I havent read the books. So correct me if im wrong. But from the bits and pieces I did read, there's this wildling Val who Jon is into?

I dont know anything more than that. Dont know if she's dead already. But, and im saying this as a jonsa, could showJon going to the wall mean bookJon links up with her?

Are they more endgame than jonsa (in the books)?

Val isnt in the show but showJon going to the wall might be the closest thing that happens if they are endgame in the books?

Could that be the reason why jon ends up at the wall according to the leaks?

Tell me your thoughts pleaaase, I wanna be wrong about this

#jonsa #bc i need ur minds #got #got book #book theory #jon snow #got leak #spoiler #jon x sansa

[operationearlgrey]

BookJon Would Not Approve

I’m behind ShowJon’s leadership tactics most of the time but mansplaining his sister about a woman who tormented her for years--who he’s never even met and knows nothing about--isn’t one of those times

#Jon snow #Sansa stark #cersei lannister #game of thrones #got #seriously Jon what are you even doing #asoiaf

[fedonciadale]

Something that perplexed me in GOT was how Jon's political skills were dumbed down and how his martial abilities were boosted to a zenith. In the books he is a decent fighter for his age considering he has had the upper hand of being trained in a Lord's castle but still he is no prodigy and on the other hand, he is a very adept administrator and a cunning politician . Watching him can't lie to save his own life was so pathetic in later seasons.

Hi there!

Yes, that was such a strange decision. But they did this from very early on: BookJon is quite cunning when he talks with Mance Rayder for example, telling him how he was jealous when he was not seated at the high table as a bastard, something Mance would know. In the show Jon mentioned his moral problems with Lord Commander Mormont.

In the books, we see him manipulating Janos Slynt into defying his orders so he can kill him. We see him handling Stannis and the banker from Braavos.

And indeed he still has to train because he feels too inadequate for his Valyrian blade.

Book Jon >>>>> Show Jon

I really disliked that. Because people were talking about ‘cinnamon roll Jon’ which is certainly not what BookJon is. Book Jon is smart and cunning, and he has flaws. Show Jon is a bit boring.

Thanks for the ask!

#anon ask #Jon #BookJon vs ShowJon #The show dumbed him down so much

[fedonciadale]

I fucking love Jon, but sometimes he acts like a little bitch. There I said it. Nothing else. xx

Dear nonny,

I agree….. I am reminded of how bratty he was in book 1 and season 1. Still love him, though...

A lot has to happen before I would disown BookJon....

Thanks!

#anon ask #BookJon #ShowJon #rant #sort of #not really

[fedonciadale]

one of the reasons why I believe in undercover theory is this phrase: "i would kneel but ..." and this "Everything before the word" but "is horse shit", but if jon intends to fulfill what he promised to daenerys, then those phrases dont mean anything, because he knelt, maybe not physically, but with the same intentions. I honestly do not care that Jon is deceiving a person. in my opinion he would look more like bookjon, and in my opinion there is nothing wrong with that if it is for a good

(2) reason. I like to think thatJon is not only thinking about the survival of his people but also their futurelike a good king and that he is aware that making them fight another war ifthey manage to win the first is not sensible or fair. It is possible that hedoes not think he will survive, but I like to believe that he also wants toensure a good future for his family, and the people of the north, despite hissuicidal thoughts, honestly I also hate these theories that he does not caresif

(3) he lives or not, because I really do not believe them, he has decided on two occasions to continue living, in the battle of the bastards and in episode 6 and that is canon. and I think they just try to put him as this hero who sacrifices for all and expects nothing in return, who does not want power, does not want to deceive anyone, wants to fulfill his promises, and really turns Jon into a stereotyped hero and boring and a martyr that I can not stand. and for me political jon it is             

(4)  it is more about not bothering dany and keeping her happy until the end and as always the northerners have to put up with all the mistakes of jon because he has “good intentions”  and they have to put up with his decisions because they have no other option and once again he is not going to pay the consequences of his decisions like other characters like Robb because he is the protagonist, etc. I really do not want to sound like a hater, but the decisions and the way of thinking of jon   

(5) stress me and although I try to think of thousands of reasons to justify what he did, there are still things that bother me about his reasoning, and until this moments in the show jon has not proved to be something more that a gary stu and an impulsive person that makes stupid decisions, and I hope that in season 7 they can explain his actions. that's why I preferred undercover jon. this really hurts me because I really love book jon, he is one of my favorites and I cant stand show jon                   

Dear nonny, I think that he deliberately left a loophole there, just in case. I think he wants the alliance to hold until the WW are defeated and after that, “I’d bend the knee, but’“ could be used as a loophole. I would also argue that he was backed up in a corner. He was after all a prisoner on dragonstone - which was entirely his fault, since he was warned about it.

The thing is, he has to let someone in on his secret, at least in the case the War for the dawn is won. He woudl have to tell somebody, and we shall see who that will be. I do think he kind of improvises the whole manipulating situation.

I agree that Jon might not be suicidal: You are right to point out that he does choose to live. Nevertheless he takes risks. It is more that he is prepared to die if it’s necessary, which is not the same as being suicidal.

I would give him the benefit of the doubt. He was backed in a corner, created the plan to dupe D into believing he bent the knee, so that he can use her, her armies and her dragons against the WW. If they win, he’ll pull the loophole card, that he did not bend the knee. Until then a lot of things might happen. It is not a very good plan, it’s no master player at work here, but I think he did the best under the circumstances.

You might say that BookJon would never have been so stupid as to maneuver himself into such a tight corner, and I would agree. You know, I rather like Kit and his brooding Jon, but I would very much prefer to have him as multi-layered as BookJon. If we had BookJon we could be sure that he has a plan, and I also think that with BookJon the audience without Jonsa shipper goggles would be more ready to buy that something is on with Jon in season 7.

#anon ask #political Jon theory #Repercussion after the war for the dawn #Northern stand after the war for the dawn #Jon's plans #BookJon vs. ShowJon