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waokevale · 7 months
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Something Something Doppelganger~
As I promised, I shall explain my idea of Forneus being a former vessel of the red crown!
First of, the most obvious reason, Narinder might have grown frustrated with his siblings killing off all his former vessels, so he figured, perhaps one akin to him in resemblance the most, would make them more conflicted.
It worked perfectly of course, and his siblings hesitated moreso in harming her.
The only one who didn't hesitate as much was Leshy, due to obvious reasons, sensing her primarily off on smell, he could tell that she was a different feline.
However, Narinder didn't grow fond of her solely based on her appearance alone, she was a very competent and vicious one, (before pregande that is) and managed to defeat the youngest Bishop. Although, Narinder being merely a century or few into his imprisonment, still struggled with his guilt and ordered her to spare him. (Though, Leshy definitely got mocked for being weak by his siblings later) ✌️ 🐸)
Forneus was one of the most loyal vessels. Still is, despite all that had happened. (Which is also canon, she is one of the very few NPCs aligned with him. It is specifically stated that she is the only other character who's alignment is "Worships The One Who Waits" the other one being Ratau, who himself was a vessel)
Forneus VOLUNTARILY gave up the red crown, unlike Ratau who was (technically) demoted for his insubordination. When she had her kids she realized... maybe there's more to life than just that, so she seeked penance.
Narinder was upset with her choice, but decided not to punish her. Although, he did say that she would lose all her powers and semi-immortality. She was persistent.
Forneus begrudgingly, but willingly gave up her children, once Shamura promised they'd be taken in by her god. She doesn't know all the details though, as stated in canon.
Shamura made her immortal again, and gave her ||something || to hold onto, if she ever got a chance to see her kids again, it would be returned to its rightful owner.
She did! She doesn't fully begrudge Narinder for them being kinda fucked up, but she is dissapointed. To be fair, he did go insane in there. (He does eventually apologize to her for that, as does Shamura..maybe)
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And that's all I have for now! I'll need to hyperfixate more on this. :>
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ane-doodles · 3 months
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This doodle deserves its own post.
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aellivi · 5 months
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Still figuring out how I want to draw this guy.
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dykedvonte · 3 months
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In the trailer for the update the lamb seems so out of their depth with all the sins and debachuary going on. It’s funny at first glance but actually makes sense when you think about it.
Lambs were being hunted and killed in mass. They either didn’t have time or the conditions to copulate or just saw it as a waste of time seeing as they’d be killed shortly. Drinking, drumming and especially dressing in loud flashy manners just draws more attention to yourself and that’s the opposite of what any species trying to avoid being wiped out would want.
Actually indulging in traditional sins is probably a foreign concept to the lamb or has weird associations in their mind making them adverse or hesitant even as a god. They mostly partake in adjacent ways to keep their followers happy.
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mx-metronome · 5 months
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I AM STILL BEING 300% NORMAL ABOUT THIS JENOVA CHEN INTERVIEW, REVIVAL EDITION
Rehashed my old theory now that Revival is almost over and I’ve had some epiphanies
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thatskyjeibird · 7 months
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Cat face theory, moth edition
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rainbowolfe · 6 months
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A scenario to consider:
Narinder wasn't sent to the Realm Beyond, that's where he's always been. And where he was meant to be.
He's trapped where he's chained, but there's definitely more to the Realm Beyond. There are bodies buried in there, marked with graves. And there are at least two "layers" of it. Unless there's another way to send things into the Realm Beyond, everything Aym and Baal have on them could only come from that realm.
The betrayal wasn't sending him to the Realm Beyond. It was leaving him there. Forcing him to stay.
If Shamura is adamantly against resurrection, then that would include the resurrection of Narinder. Which, that is what taking him out of the Realm Beyond is. A resurrection. He may not have been slain, but he's clearly been forgotten. And for a god, that's basically the same thing.
That's why he still has to sacrifice 'his most devout follower' to leave even after all the chains are broken. That bell around Lamb's neck is Narinder's Light/Dark necklace. (Notice how it/Lamb's fleece also 'does nothing').
Before he was chained, he likely had some amount of ability to interact with the "living world". Greater than what he has now. Before the Gateway was sealed, visiting him/The Realm Beyond was probably a much more common and casual affair. Pilgrim's Passage leads directly into the temple. And from the temple, the only accessible thing would be the Gateway.
This is where the Bishops come in. While they may love Narinder, the power dynamic at play means they also fear Narinder on some level. For a domain so consistent, Narinder has proven himself to be wildly unpredictable. There's the fear of the unknown facets of him, being something fundamentally different from the rest of the Bishops. Being something that has only known the Realm Beyond. The fear of what it means to let a being of Death out into the living world.
The fear of what it means to go against the traditions and wills of gods far older and powerful than you.
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krillking · 2 years
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thinking abt how in the switch trailer we see this kid with the chest light that skykids have
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yet
in the teaser they’re seen covering up the area where it would be
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and we got a shot of some ancestor kids running around too n they Don’t have that light
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just something that makes me think
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lilhub · 22 days
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So. What's up with the duplicate statues in Eden?
If you've played Sky: Children of the Light and gone through The Ascent, you may have noticed these statues:
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And you'll know that the Vault has the same exact statues:
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Now the question we're asking here is why.
Of course, I have a theory in regards to it that ties into a couple of other theories, but it's gonna be long and probably a little complicated, so buckle up.
TL;DR will be at the bottom of the post for a simpler(and less all over the place) explanation!
Now, I'm going to start at the beginning with something that may seem completely unrelated:
Take a look at the top of this broken building in the Battlefield.
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Does it look familiar? It should.
It looks like the vault masks.
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That's odd though, isn't it? The Vault Elder is, well, the Vault Elder. They belong in the Vault.
To that I say: what if they weren't always there?
What if that building used to be their temple?
Almost every other Elder has their own building that serves as their temple and little else; why would the Vault Elder be any different? They're certainly just as important as every other Elder, so why would they be singled out?
Some more evidence for the broken building being an Elder's temple?
Look here, in The Seed's spirit memory:
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The spirit was a medic that treated and aided soldiers on the battlefield, and this displays them in a Medic's tent. Where? In the broken building.
Other than it being the arguably safest structure aside from the Vault, there's...no real reason for it to be here of all places. They could have had it anywhere else; this is in the thick of the fighting, after all, the entire map is called the Battlefield for a reason. But there's a reason it was here.
Why?
Well, the Elder's temples are sacred. They're holy places, not to be trifled with, even in the midst of a war, they're like churches. And what was guaranteed if you took shelter in a church?
Sanctuary.
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Unfortunately, this doesn't guarantee its outside will be particularly safe from conflict, especially toward the end of the war. Survival began to matter more than walls, I suspect, and it's clear from the Lookout Scout's memory sequence that even then, this place was broken down; potentially from Dark Dragons, potentially from the Ancestors. Unfortunately, we currently have no way of knowing for sure.
On the topic of placements and symbolism in the Battlefield map, though: there's also all of this imagery of the King leading up to the Wasteland Elder's temple.
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Let me suggest to you the following as an answer to why:
Eden was not always the primary residence of the King.
Before you grab your torches and pitchforks, hear me out. The Eden Castle was not always there, and this is explicitly shown in the Aurora concert during Warrior, but also the fourth quest in Season of Passage:
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No castle.
Now, what does this mean for the King? Well, logically they should have them residing in the otherwise safest place in the Kingdom—like, perhaps, a Vault.
Now we're getting somewhere.
Let's go back to the statues.
Many theorize that they're graves, due to the fact that there's one in each temple and when you sit, you're taken to the respective cutscenes that feature the Elders in their limbos. I disagree.
I think they were communication lines. Every Elder will need to contact one another at some point, and other than the Windpaths, there's really no shortcuts through the realms; thus, the statues function as telephones in a home network, if you will. If one person picks up the line while others are having a conversation, they can listen in as well.
Who needs to have a way to contact every single Elder?
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The King.
A ruler needs to be able to conveniently contact the others that help them run a kingdom, especially at a moment's notice, and phones don't exactly exist in the Kingdom. Thusly following the path of logic here, wherever the King is, there should be each statue for each corresponding Elder.
Once the castle became the primary residence of the King, now that the Vault Elder was no longer close by, there was a statue added to the arrangement; this also explains why it's just sat in the middle of them instead of up with the rest.
There is one other thing, though.
What's up with the Wasteland Elder?
After all, if the Vault was the primary residence of the King, and the statues support that, then why and how does the Wasteland Elder come to inhabit that building?
I have a few thoughts on that too.
Let's take a look at the Wasteland Elder, for starters.
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They look like a soldier. Which is no surprise, really, seeing as they were in charge of what is now the Wasteland, and the war that seems to have primarily taken place there.
I have another thought though.
The King needs a guard, or more accurately, the Prince does. Sure, there is plenty of power when you are the King, but before that they was a Prince, and there are always precautions that should be taken with the future ruler of your Kingdom.
From what little we see of their character, the Wasteland Elder is protective. Defensive. Willing to do anything to safeguard what lay beyond that gate. They had to learn from somewhere. That instinct has to come from somewhere, because they clearly have worked themselves to the point of absolute exhaustion in their efforts to safeguard that gate.
To this, I ask you: what better protection is there for a Prince than a Star?
Of course, once the Prince becomes a King, and Eden is more than adequate as a safe spot for them, this Star needs to be put somewhere else.
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And the Wasteland still needs a protector. After all, the Dark Dragons at this point must be becoming a problem, and Darkstone production is likely growing larger and larger by the day; the people need someone to keep them safe and reassure them that all will be okay.
Who better than a Star that already knows everything about protection and defense? Who has the necessary experience? Who has likely had to manage other guards that helped protect the Prince?
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TL;DR: Before the fall of the kingdom, while the King was still a Prince, before the Castle was built the Prince resided in the Vault. And before the conflict in the Wasteland, the Vault Elder's temple was the broken building we now see in the Battlefield. This explains both the King imagery leading up to (what is now)the Wasteland Temple(which also doubles as the entrance to the Vault) and the symbol atop the broken building that resembles the Vault masks.
During the period of time before the Prince became the King, the Wasteland Elder was assigned as their protector, explaining their intense need to defend the Vault 'til their last breath. Afterward, once the Prince becomes King, they are reassigned as the Guardian of the Wasteland, charged with overseeing its people and the Darkstone production taking place there.
Because of the fact that the King resided in the Vault and the Eden Castle, there are versions of each Elder's statue in both places due to them potentially being communication lines instead of graves. Or, at least, they used to be communication lines and were turned into graves for the Fallen Stars after the Fall of the Kingdom. This also explains why each statue takes us to that specific Elder's limbo space; they still, technically, function for their intended purpose.
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Of course, this is all just one huge theory made up of a bunch of smaller theories and doesn't have the greatest evidence but. Alas! I am prone to overthinking details in the Funny Light Game.
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Chemach: Scourge of the Gods?
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"...She is changed, alarmingly so, the mutilation of her body naught compared to the madness taking root in her mind."
 It's crazy the more I analyze Chemach and their maddness the more the setting of COTL makes sense.
"Whispers reach my temple. Gods fallen, shrines crumbled, Followers taken, and Crowns simply gone."
 Chemach's temple is chock full of god parts, relics, and makeshift followers. She has a cobbled together crown that seemingly doesn't work, likely made from stolen crowns.
"...I asked, what of her duty? What of the Crowns? What of her very nature?
And the smith answered: it is lost."
Her nature as the "Crown Maker" was lost or she was unable to make a divine crown for herself through "conventional" magic means due to her nature as a First God descendent.
Chemach would likely not know how to even be a Crowned god. Their role is tied to mortals and an innate ambition for...more. Followers, power, influence etc. Things that were never in her perview as a member of the Bird Trio.
In her insane state she resorted to stealing crowns and followers but her "creator/maker" aspect manifested in the form of mutilating both to make something 'uniquely' her own. 
 Chemach could have been imitating their behavior as they made a name for themselves. Warring and conflict etc. But without a "creator" to rekindle their numbers they were effectively wiped out.
 But her motivation for culling the Crowned gods could be many.
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 Maybe Chemach was jealous of the more established Crowned gods. Those that had longevity and amassed a large following. She seems like a jealous person, always comparing her artifacts to her brothers' and denigrating them. This could be why she kept killing until only five (six technically w/ Haro) crowned gods remained.
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There was a change to the Lore tablets that removed the old faith as the cause of the god purge.
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Without clear contexts of the cause of the gods disappearance, to me, there's a lore hole in the history of the setting. I'm not sure if this was intentional on the devs part but...
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ratcandy · 2 months
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also do you have any ideas of what plimbo even is because i cant think of any sort of insect he could be
NO!!!! HE'S FUCKED UP AND EVIL!!!!!
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Like let's look at our options. Bear with me. Plimbo as a concept drives me insane.
WARNING - MULTIPLE CLOSE UP BUG IMAGES BELOW
Wingless bug options:
Termites - Well nothing about him suggests wood eating to me. Also he's green, termites are typically not that
Female ants - We see an ant portrayed in game through Sozo, Plimbo does not look like him
Fleas - I mean hey these have a sort of "mustache!":
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Silverfish - I don't think so, though these things do love water
Bristletails - I still do not think so
Some stick bugs - Don't have the body type (also their antennae tend to be far longer)
Some roaches - Same issue with antennae, but I mean...?
True lice - They do make an effort to show him having two claws so he'd have to be a Mallophaga if he's a wingless louse, and I mean... Body shape kinda fits?
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Non-insect hexapods (Springtails, Diplurans, Proturans) - I kinda like the idea of him as a springtail, especially because I'm constantly seeing those little shits around water they LOVE lakes n such. Springtails can also be green! Diplurans and Proturans are unlikely since they lack eyes
Bugs with "pupils"
Ok well NONE have pupils like that. And the only one I can think of with even something pupil-adjacent are Mantises and Damselflies.
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But then we run into the wing issue again. Especially with Damselflies, those things got wings for days. Which is a shame since Damselflies are also big water enjoyers, and those itty bitty antennae would fit for him.
Aquatic Bugs
There's way too many to go through honestly. Most are larvae, and he doesn't... toootally look like he's supposed to be a larva? Then again I mean...
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Dragonfly larva is a possibility. It'd get rid of the wing issue! He doesn't have the mouth for it but then again the cotl devs have like a vendetta against the idea of portraying ANY mouth correctly (side-glancing all birds), let alone bug mouths, so I don't consider that to mean anything.
And you know what? We could really make this work if we want him to be a damselfly larvae, but
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he's missing HIS GILLS (the three lil thangs on the back)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So. I don't know!!!! But he is NOT a grasshopper. I refuse the wiki saying that. Never lie to me ever again. They put that there because he's green I bet anything.
Plimbo could be any number of things. Fuck if I know what the devs' intention was. What do I headacanon him as? um. I. Don't know. Maybe a damselfly? Maybe a springtail? I dunno!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this is a question that will haunt me forever
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sorenchang · 1 year
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SKY: COTL THEME LYRICS TRANSLATION.
Introduction
Sky: Children of the Light, just like most games, has its very own theme melody. A tune that is heard throughout the game in various events.
For those who aren't familiar with the theme, you may have heard it in the opening of Isle of Dawn or the Orbit scene after completing Eye of Eden.
(Search "Flight" on Vincent Diamente's music compositions, and you may recognise it!)
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TGC collabed with famous singer Aurora. If you didn't know, Aurora has been the main vocals for the theme song. Besides the instrumental parts, she sings during Isle of Dawn and Orbit. The beginning and finishing lines of the game.
Relating to Auroras' participation, they released the full song of Sky's theme. Which was called "Constellation." Constellation was noticeably a lot longer, but also had its own lyrics.
Lyrics In a theme song usually relates itself to the subjects lore. This is an excellent opportunity for the Sky Theorist to formulate speculations to Sky's timeline using these lyrics. However, the only problem was...
THESE LYRICS ARE IN A MADE-UP LANGUAGE!
Translations
Sky has a fictional language used in the song. This was already a challenge for us because it required a lot of analysing. To our fortune, the lyrics were actually words taken from existing languages. Each syllable was from different languages, and some just had meaning.
Now, enough talking. Let's begin!
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The first lines were: "Menori eno, foto fola."
Menori: Initially, I believed that "Menori" meant "Memory" since both words were somewhat similar. However, if you split the syllable into 2, it creates a different meaning.
It's difficult to find out what "men" means. Although, I decided that "men" just means person in general. "Ori" is interesting because it translates to "my light."
Mashing the words together, you get: "Person, my light." Otherwise known as "Child of Light"
Eno: "Eno" is the Latin verb of "swim out." However, not everything has to be accurate to its initial meaning. "Swim out" could be a metaphor for" "emerges", " "show," and "appear." I'll get to this later, but hopefully, you get the meaning.
Foto: Foto is an easy word to identify because it's "photo" with extra fancy spelling. In this case, like I've said before, not everything has to mean what it initially represents. Again, Foto could most likely be a kind of conjuction.
Fola: This word translates to "crazy, mad, and foolish." A word that best represents a person or individual. This highly relates itself to a specific character in the sky, too.
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So let's squish together all the words.
"Child of light swims out, photograph foolish."
The sentence is grammatically incorrect. But that is OK! Since it's made-up language, we have the ability to imagine the sentence in a more grammatically correct and sky-related way. The way I interpret it is quite simple.
"A person of light appears, only to become a foolish king."
Clarifications:
Menori could be "Child of Light," or "Person of light." Synonyms are valid.
Eno doesn't necessarily mean "swim out." Again, it's basically like a metaphor for "emerge," "show," and "appear."
Foto could be a word that represents something. Like how a photograph represents something. It's not necessary to include it in the actual sentence!
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The following line is: "Nisoro mahori eh lossora."
Nisoro: Typically, this word was the hardest to translate. It isn't as simple as searching "Nisoro" meaning. However, after a while of digging, I was able to conduct a translation.
"Ni" in Yoruba means "in." And "Soro" in Yoruba means "difficult."
Combining the words would be "In difficult." So, in short, it means: "Difficult times."
Mahori: Mahori is much more different than the rest of the words. In this case, Mahori is an existing word that takes part in human activity.
Mahori is a Thai classical music genre. Played by a group of musicians, performers, and actors for the genre. However, mahori is commonly played in royal courts or royal events. This is very related to Sky Lore. More on this later.
Eh: Most likely a conjuction like: "and."
Lossora: Similar to the previous words, it requires breaking down each syllable.
Los means "the" in Spanish. (According to translator heh..) However, Los also means "Path they took along"
Sora means sky. This word is the smoking gun of this translation. Confirming that we're at least on the right track.
Combining the two, you end up with "Path they took in The Sky" (The Sky= the Sky kingdom. Aka, the main setting in Sky.)
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So let's combine the words.
"Difficult times, Royal music and path they took in the sky"
Again, correctly repositioning the words together creates: "It was difficult to play music for our King, so they decided to take another path in The Sky."
Clarifications:
Nisoro could also represent the difficulties during the current time.
I included "King" (Our beloved Eden Elder) because of Mahori. Mahori is music for royal subjects.
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The third line is: "Neyo neyoterra, foto men"
(This section of my Translations is much shorter, mainly because I don't have too much to discuss.)
Neyo: An easy word to translate. It simply means "New"
Neyoterra: This word includes the previous word, "Neyo."
This word is still quite easy to understand. "Terra" means: "Earth," "Place," or "World."
So, new (Neyo) + place (Terra) translates to: "New world," "New place," etc!
Foto: As I mentioned before, it means photograph.
Men: The word is harder to crack. However, I concluded that men most likely mean people in general.
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All the words together create: "New, new world. Picturing new people."
There isn't much to clarify for this one. It's very simple, but I'm open to any questions.
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The last line is: "Nikolo, nikomo sora."
Nikolo: The word nikolo is a name that means "Victor of People" or "Peoples Champion." However, it could also be a metaphor for people proclaiming victory.
Nikomo: Another word that requires breaking down of syllables.
Niko means smile in Japanese. A friend of mine helped me discover the countless meanings, but I affirmed that this is most likely the best choice. "Smile."
Omo means "short period of time." It's very self-explanatory.
Combining the words, Nikomo translates to "Smile for a short period of time." That's pretty depressing!
Sora: As stated before, Sora translates to "Sky."
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The words all together create:
"The people proclaim victory. They smile only for it to be gone in a short period of time. Then creating Sky."
(Slightly unrelated, but this is a major help for Sky Theorists! This is potentially the biggest clue for the Sky War (I'll make a blog about the war too.))
Clarification(s)
Despite Nikolo meaning "Peoples Champion," which is different from what I translated, please keep in mind that we have the ability to interpret these meanings into something that'll fit for the sake of it fitting.
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SO! We have finally translated this bad boy! From what I could tell, this is a MAJOR help for understanding the Sky Lore. Even a major help for giving clues about the Sky War! I was happy to know that these translations mirrored the actual Sky Lore, which really made me excited.
Now, to make this all cinematic and exciting, I prepared a video ~
I am incredibly excited for the future of Sky. I really hope my first blog was understandable, I'm aware it might be a little too long or boring aaaa.
And if you're wondering, you may use this as inspiration for your new sky theories! I don't mind. It would be nice if you gave credit just in case you want to use my Translations word for word, haha.
PEACE OUT!!
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bubba-draws · 5 months
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Redid my Lamb design + now Narinder is tagging along :3
Also it wouldnt be me if i didnt make a shit ton of ocs (all of them are followers from the game!)
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Lamb: I made tea.
Narinder: I don't want tea.
Lamb: I didn't make tea for you. This is my tea.
Narinder: Then why are you telling me?
Lamb: It's a conversation starter.
Narinder: That's a terrible conversation starter.
Lamb: Oh, is it? We're conversing. Checkmate.
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movedtodykedvonte · 5 months
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My take on why it’s so easy to beat the Bishops as the lamb despite them being much older gods has nothing to do with your power so much the power you are stripping from them
Each heretic, witness and follower you either kill or indoctrinate strips them of some of their power seeing as it’s all but directly stated godly power comes from worship and the amount of it you have. Each crusade takes out more and more of their sources of power so by the time the lamb gets there they all are a fraction of the entity they once were. Combined with what you gain the playing field is equaled.
This is not even including their injuries from The One Who Waits…
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stinkykitty8 · 3 months
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Am I the only one that things that Baal and Aym are possibly Narinders offspring. I mean look at them. Out of every cat design they could have made they made Aym and Baal look so much like Narinder its insane. Similar fur coats. Pointed ears. In all their follower forms all 3 of them are different from the normal cat follower form, yet all three look so similar. Like they have to be related in some way. Possibly Forneus wanted children but couldn't have any so she asked Narinder for children like a person asking god for help and he was like poof im here lets make children then boom Baal and Aym. Call me crazy (i am) but its been something ive been thinking about so much.
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