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why do you hate the netflix show? i'm genuinely curious, as my wife adores it and was also a huge fan of the animated series growing up.

I mean the TL:DR of it is I just think it's a bad show. I found the pacing strange, I didn't like half the characters so it was hard to root for them, Season 1's plot was so awkwardly paced it was boring, but in Season 2 there were like 3 different plot points per episode and I found them hard to get invested in. The LONG answer: my 3 biggest problems with the show were (!):

The blatant racism/whitewashing

This is pretty self-explanatory and I've gone over it before , so I'll keep it brief; the show's whitewashing was the biggest turnoff for me. Musa and the fake out Flora (because Eliot Sal WAS originally Flora, hope whoever made that change got a bonus) were awful, and then the treatment of Dane and Aisha's characters sucked (being taken advantage of by Riven and turning into a huge asshole, and Aisha being turned into Bloom's life coach). We got a little more diversity in Season 2, but by then it read more as a response to backlash than anything else. Same with Dane and Aisha; Aisha gives a little speech in Season 2's first episode where she says she's done being Bloom's life coach, and then proceeds to get a boyfriend who's secretly evil and lies to her all season. And Dane acts like an asshole for 2 scenes before he's shoved to the side as a supporting character.

2. Homophobia

Again, recap from my last rant; Season 1 was very straight. The Bloom/Sky/Stella love triangle took center stage, the only non-straight character was Dane, who I'm 90% sure was bisexual but we'll never know because not once in Fate: The Winx Saga does anyone say the word 'bisexual.' The closest we get is Dane saying he finds both Riven and Stormy Beatrix hot. But Dane, Riven, and Beatrix turn into this awful polyamory thing that goes on for like an episode and a half before it breaks up, and it's never spoken of again. Season 2 gives up an openly lesbian character, Terra, but her love interest (a female specialist whose name I don't remember) is in her own on-again-off-again relationship. Terra and the girl do get together, but last the audience knew the relationship was on! So Terra gets a girlfriend, but said girlfriend is a cheater. Gay rights? oh, and #JusticeforFrancesa

Those are the serious reasons, and with those out of the way I would argue the other really big reason I didn't like Fate was

3. THERE IS NO FRIENDSHIP

At the end of the day you can take away magic, the Specialists, and a lot of supporting characters from the show because the core of it - the reason Winx Club works so well - is because these six girls are best friends. The show is about them going through school and breakups and universe-saving together, and kicking ass at it because they have each others back. It is the show's central theme, it's where the best writing is, and where some of its best moments come from (for me at least).

Fate...does not do that. They started the series out making Sky the one to show Bloom around Alfea and introduce her to things instead of Stella, sidelining one of the strongest friendships in the series for the sake of a love triangle. And it only goes downhill from there! I get the whole 'take an episode or two to figure out where we stand as friends' but by the end of the 1st season these bitches are still fighting over the dumbest shit! We start out Season 2 with Stella using invisibility spells again so she's not seen with the other girls - I don't even think Stella likes any of them by the end of the series! Sure everyone goes to classes and plans dangerous missions to save the world together, but outside of that it doesn't seem like they even like each other. There are moments sprinkled throughout where they're supposed to be genuine friends, and they're easily some of fate's best stuff (the car scene in 2x01 is an example). But they're also awkward, because 20 minutes ago they were sulking in their rooms and yelling at each other about their lack of communication. They aren't deserved is the point I'm trying to get at here, and the only way they do feel deserved is if you a) already know their friendship dynamic because you watched the animated series, or b) you follow the actors on social media, where they actually talk and hang out like best friends.

The strongest friendship in this entire series isn't any of the girls - it's fucking Sky and Riven. Because they were pre-established best friends, had arguments throughout season 1, but by the end of season 2 had come back together because the world was in danger, and they both knew despite everything, that they would have each other's backs. Do you know how badly you have to fuck up, where one half of your best friendship is the queerphobic, predatory asshole character, and the other half is a slice of untoasted Wonder Bread?

Do you know how mad Riven would have been if Sky went to not-Omega with Bloom in the season 2 finale? He would have been fucking pissed and ordering everyone to a classroom to give his 30-slide power point on how to get them back within 3 days. Meanwhile Bloom doesn't actually say goodbye to the Winx girls, she just writes them letters and says goodbye to Sky in person (because it is well established that Bloom and Sky's romance is more important than the girl's friendship, let's be honest). And then girls are all hugging and Stella's crying that Bloom's gone and I just thought 'you spent more time with Beatrix than Bloom this season Stella, why the fuck are you sad.'

This is all a longwinded way to say the central theme of friendship was pushed aside for CW-style romance, which made the core cast of girls unable to connect, which made the show bad.

Fate had the same overall runtime as a single season of Winx Club. Later seasons are bad, don't get me wrong, but those original 2004-2007 seasons had twice the character moments, more concise plots, and felt way more fun than anything I saw Brian Young put out these last few years. I would watch an original season (and even season 4! sue me!) any day over Fate the W inx Saga.

Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk, and probably don't show your wife this.

#anti fate the winx saga #netwinx #liz suffers with netwinx #liz gets questions #anonymous #im sure this was a way longer answer than you expected nonnie #my bad #ive just had a lot of pent up feelings on this show #long post

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cylonbarnes · 2 years

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vampire academy 1x01 observations

just going to put everything in here as it happens rather than a bunch of posts/reblogs

this is going to be verrrrrry long so if you want to read a rambling play-by-play of this ep then by all means:

not beginning with rose and lissa on the run... okayyyyy

the queen's 200th birthday and "last as your queen" huh? the queen is stepping down? we're majorly changing the entire plot of the series right here right now?

rose is all dressed up (hell yeah girl you look great) but also... why? surely the school would INSIST on her being on guard for this celebration. of course, she would never listen, but still...

st. vladimirs looks ridic. will not clarify if that is good or bad just yet. i'm a little insulted that the queen's celebration isn't happening in THE POCONOS.

victor's daughters are sonia and mia..... and their last name is karp........... sigh

what's with the eye flashing? I GOTTA GET MORE POSITIVE BUT I CAN'T HELP MYSELF. WHAT'S WITH THE EYE FLASHING

okay so rose is described as just a guest and is saying hi to someone... eddie? probably not eddie but i'm so sorry i can't remember the name of their friend from the first two books. miles? so sorry but i never liked him

OH FUCK THIS IS BEFORE. THE DRAGOMIR FAMILY. OKAY NEVER MIND ME THEY GET POINTS FOR THIS but mia's relationship with andre is meant to be... not a known thing

okay sex scene okay. great fine definitely necessary. i'm not a prude but i think this show shouldn't have any sex scenes until rose and dimitri go too far in a cabin if you know what i mean #boythatwasillegal #butproblematicfavesowhatever

STRIGOI ATTACK FEATURING SOMEONE YELLING "STRIGOI!!!!!!!" VERY DRAMATICALLY

this fight is pretty good and i like the contrast with the party. kinda wish they made this a like 2007 period piece... for the sake of the music

OOOOOF ANDRE'S HEAD HITTING THE SEAT LOOKED VERY OUCH

and we've arrived! soul bond here we come.

THREE MONTHS LATER? please for the love of god just send us a year ahead

lissa looking FAB at her family member's graves

"i'm ready to go back" girl what

rose can leap off of tall buildings in a single bound? i know dhampirs are strong and resilient but really?

LISSA WAS GONE WITHOUT ROSE? DIMITRI IS STOPPING ROSE FROM GETTING TO HER...

dimitri, light of my life, stop being irish(?) and be russian instead i'm fucking begging you

[I get distracted for four hours, make dinner, and watch 2x01 of Farscape AND 2x01 of Fate: The Winx Saga instead]

i cannot believe lissa was gone, with permission/approval, and rose wasn't with her... this is WRONG this is not RIGHT this does nothing for either of their characters OR their extreme codependence, which is frankly the most important aspect about their relationship throughout the entire series, AND their relationship is the most important in the series outside romitri so this is like... important. it's important.

all the random accents. most of these people should sound american and the people who don't sound american should sound romanian or russian. the movie, bless its terrible heart, fucked around with this too. random british accents don't make your characters sound more regal, it makes me wonder how all these people apparently grew up together

TOO MUCH ROYALTY STUFF TOO EARLY. DON'T THROW US INTO THE DEEP END WITHOUT LETTING US PADDLE IN THIS UNIVERSE. people new to the series barely understand the difference between moroi and dhampirs, we don't need to get so in the weeds so quickly.

MY COMPUTER HAD A FREAK OUT AND SHUT DOWN AND I LOST HALF THIS FUCKING POST.

basically, i like lissa more than the last movie or books, rose is pretty on point thus far, i like my man winston "chewy" chu as christian a lot more than dominic sherwood (but that's just cause i hate dominic sherwood in anything) but i also don't care for christian in general

dimitri is completely wrong. 0 dimitri vibes at all. this is not my man. give me comrade cowboy or give me death

a fucking NORMAL leather jacket? dimitri would never. dimitri literally cannot live without a fucking dramatic leather DUSTER and he buys way too many of them in the books. he's always replacing that bitch. it's IMPORTANT TO HIM

also rose likes dimitri because he's WEIRD AND COMPETENT not just hot

sonya's vibes are perfect and mia's quite good, though she's very much late-book mia and not early-book mia. is sonya becoming strigoi going to be in a natalie-surrogate way instead of self-spirit-induced?

i think i complained about the outfits a lot. why are these young moroi, born in the 2000s, wearing these ugly ugly 1800s (or whenever) outfits? why would christian ozera ever wear a pussy bow?

WHERE IS THE FUCKING SPIRIT BOND. the spirit bond is SO MUCH of what makes this series unique. lissa and rose's entire relationship and dynamic hinges on the fucking spirit bond, the problems it creates and the solutions it provides. the fact that rose can see lissa but lissa can't see rose and the sharpening of the imbalances in their relationship (already present from being moroi/dhampir and royalty/guardian, heightened by the EVERYTHING with the bond)

this show takes itself too seriously. the movie is bad but it did inspire me to read 12 books. the movie is bad but it's silly and enjoyable. this show is just a little lifeless and not fun at all

his name isn't miles, it's mason. i don't care i only love eddie

so rose and lissa met each other at an older age than in the books, hence accent mention in this little daytrip

i love this mini daytrip btw, something actually in character and vibe of the series. i also liked that they showed lissa's self-harm/self-destructive behaviour already

SOME DEGREE OF SPIRIT BOND! FINALLY!

strigoi are too freaky tbh. strigoi!dimitri has to be HOT and CREEPY and DANGEROUS and at this rate he'll be GROSS and and like... a mindless monster. god this show wants to take everything from me

okay so they are really harping on the fact that andre would be king... again, the royal plots are coming way too soon and also that was never part of his character, right? her DAD would have been in the running but the crown isn't simply GIVEN to anyone. the fucking trials take up so much of book 6. lissa ends up with the crown because she EARNS it

they are not giving j august richards good material, and they've made his character weirdly flat and boring. victor is such a great villain and this is just..... eh

STOP SHOWING ME THIS FAKE DIMITRI I DONT WANT TO SEE HIM ANYMORE THIS IS NOT MY MAN. honestly i just absolutely cannot stand him not being russian

i need showrunners to stop "adapting" well-constructed books just to keep all the names and some vague characteristics and throw everything else away so they can play in the sandbox of the world. i want an adaptation, not poorly researched fanfic. vampire academy's writing left a little to be desired in places but it makes for a TIGHT six season series, no problem. they've made the series both boring and overcomplicated for absolutely no reason

speaking of boring, let me cup my hands around my mouth and shout: THE BOOKS WERE FUNNY. ROSE HATHAWAY IS A VERY FUNNY PROTAGONIST, NOT JUST IN HER NARRATION BUT IN HER DIALOGUE, TOO.

speaking of narration... not to be that girl but this show could benefit from a rose voice-over. i want it to be clear that ROSE is the protagonist, not rose-and-lissa

it would also stop the characters from explaining things they all already know to each other (vampire diaries disease)

this unicorn shit is cringe

kissing mason this early..... okayyyyyyyyy

oh so there IS a landline. IS THIS A PERIOD PIECE?

the queen is kinda doubling as the school principal character? and again, she's stepping down and naming a successor

and naming LISSA jesus fucking christ what is wrong with this show. why would you do this in the first episode. we cannot have this lissa-for-the-throne plot without my baby girl jill!!

OH BUT GOOD. ROSE IS SEEING THROUGH LISSA'S EYES. THAT IS VERY GOOD

okay. well. that was much longer than anticipated (this post, that is. the episode also felt pretty long, though)

i can't divorce this show from the books so i can't say whether it's a good show for viewers with no prior knowledge, but the overloading of plots and too many underdeveloped characters and relationships makes me think not. they are trying to start with way too much drama and high stakes, leading to inevitable disappointment, rather than building everything slowly as we get to know the characters.

there are so many changes that it's almost hard to see this as an adaptation. i don't think of vampire academy as a book series that many people know the plots and details of, outside what was covered in the first movie, so it was a perfect opportunity to follow the actual plots and have a well composed, well paced, and engaging episode/season/series that not many viewers are familiar with.

i cannot see this working out for them. it feels too alienating to book fans, and not accessible or interesting enough for new viewers. so many details have been scrubbed away for the worse, for reasons i can't understand. i don't even think every book needed to be followed 100% no changes, just that the framework was there for a good story with some updates or deviation. this episode is like they took all 6 books, threw them in a blender, and picked out some partially-intact pages at random

anyway, yeah, i'll finish the season, but i won't be happy about it. if anyone in the world reads this whole post though, i'm very proud of you because this thing is ROUGH

#va show #vampire academy #self harm mention

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j0rdanvic · 2 years

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I just watched Fate: The Winx Saga 2x01 "Low-Flying Panic Attack"

#FateTheWinxSaga #trakt

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pongchows · 2 years

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