#ff7 shipping war

[kyasarinkishinuma]

How the fandom feels ever since Rebirth dropped

#i made a thing lol #me as a multishipper sitting back and watching with some popcorn #shipping wars #clerith #cloti #cloud x aerith #cloud x tifa #ff7 #ff7r #ff7 rebirth #final fantasy 7 #final fantasy 7 rebirth #ffvii #ffviir #ffvii rebirth #final fantasy vii #final fantasy vii rebirth #cloud strife #aerith gainsborough #tifa lockhart #cloud strife x tifa lockhart #cloud strife x aerith gainsborough #cloud strife x aeris gainsborough #aeris gainsborough #cloud x aeris

[errantnight]

Seeing a lot of post and comments, and so many angry fights in youtube comments in particular, about the cloud/tifa/aerith love triangle bullshit and like...

Everyone knows I clearly don't have a dog in that particular race but I honestly believe that Cloud is way too traumatized and dealing with that to have even a shadow of a healthy relationship with anyone right now and there is no possible way of getting to that point until everything is finished in the last game and he remembers who he really is.

Like he's so HURT. He is DAMAGED.

Zack isn't just confused by Biggs calling Cloud a badass, it's the attitude Biggs describes that is so very different than the Cloud he is intimately familiar with. Cloud's personality right now is an amalgamation of Zack and what he thinks a cool mature SOLDIER should be with a thin layer of 'jaded mercenary in a 90s tv show' slapped on for good measure.

Even if other characters find him attractive personality-wise as he is, and not just his good looks, I think that would end up being a big problem after he gets his memory back because that would end with him being a different person than they fell for. I really hope that there is a significant change in Cloud's body language and general mannerisms and maybe even personality.

This is not the sweet and shy Cloud Strife in Crisis Core, this is a man broken by torture and loss and grief who can't face any of that and add in the Mako poisoning + traumatic amnesia and he's practically unrecognizable.

I want Cloud to be happy, I don't really care if he ends up with any of the characters 'canonically' - I just want him to be happy and whole and to MAKE IT. I want to see him really openly smile.

Cloud smiles a lot more in Rebirth, but they're usually small tucked away things. He never looks someone in the eye and smiles.... unless he's possessed. And then he's smirking and smiling all over the place. He even smiles WITH TEETH in the Gongaga Reactor when he's slaughtering troopers using Sephiroth's fighting style. He looks so happy and confident and it looks SO alien.

Even when he was messing up his memories with Zack's in the opening that smile didn't look like his. It reminded me of modded games where someone else's body is overlaid with another characters and the expressions just don't quite match up...

I want to see him at ease and happy and if he ends up with someone and is happy then I'll be happy for him. I just.... don't see it happening in the next game unless there's an epilogue and it's been a bit.

#ffvii #ff7 #cloud strife #fanfiction #final fantasy vii #final fantasy 7 #ffvii rebirth #ff7 rebirth #shipping wars #don't fight me #I don't care

[embracetheshipping]

Just Tifa and Aerith being besties. 😊

#ff7 #ff7 rebirth #ffvii rebirth #final fantasy vii rebirth #final fantasy 7 rebirth #tifa lockhart #aerith gainsborough #fuck shipping wars #aerith and tifa friendship #or aerti if u want it to be #ffvii aerith #ffvii tifa

[professional-sephiroth-scrungler]

Secret option to cloti and clerith ship wars

Polyamory

#shitpost #i legit do not care about those stupid ship wars lmao #but i keep getting posts for it #final fantasy 7 #ffvii #ff7 #final fantasy vii #ff7r #ffvii rebirth #final fantasy vii rebirth #cloti #clerith

[my-current-obsession]

I ask this as a Clerith fan myself - why are so many people up in arms about Tifa "lying" in her GS date? I'm not even sure what people are referring to when they say that. If it's when she denied talking to Aerith about Zack... Aerith literally lied about the EXACT same thing to Cloud and no one calls her out about it.

Obviously the context of Cloud bringing up the issue in the first place is quite different with both girls - with Aerith he's wanting to know where they stand and if he can pursue her or if he should give up. While with Tifa he's still focused on Aerith instead of the girl he's with, which makes this date and his extreme (frankly OOC) actions come across as a rebound because he feels like he has no chance with the girl he's really interested in. But that said, I interpret the lie itself as the same from both girls - they know Cloud's memory is unreliable and digging too much into the topic of Zack might make him MORE unstable, so they dodge the issue. Also maybe a secondary reason of lying to keep the mood light/romantic, instead of bogging it down with something heavy.

If it's in response to what she says after Cloud wonders about Aerith still having feelings for Zack... that's up to interpretation, I guess. PERSONALLY, I would take her responding "It's more complicated than that" as dodging the question at worst or even a soft, implied disagreement with Cloud at best. It would be incredibly easy and simple to just say, "Yes, she still likes him." That's NOT what Tifa says, even though to an extent it might be true (Aerith makes it obvious that she's fallen for Cloud by the end of the game, but she MIGHT still love Zack too. You can love more than one person at a time. It's just unclear if that's the case for her or not).

We know from the scene on the ship heading towards Costa del Sol that Tifa and Aerith wanted to talk about love and boys, but it was postponed. But it's also clear they're spending a LOT of time together trying to hash out what's going on with Cloud and generally opening up to each other as friends off-screen, so I think it's safe to say they DID have this conversation eventually. I believe by the chapter 12 date, both girls are fully aware that they EACH like Cloud romantically, but for the most part they care enough about each other as friends to put aside rivalry/jealousy.

Tifa's response of "It's more complicated than that" just feels like the honest truth to me. Does Aerith still have feelings for Zack? Yeah, maybe. But she also undeniably has feelings for Cloud. And Tifa, on a date with the man she ALSO loves, doesn't want to lie but also can't bring herself to say that whole truth (also it's not really her truth to say? Confessing for someone else is messed up in its own right NGL) when doing so would almost certainly kill her own chances with Cloud.

I honestly feel sorry for her in her date. I read the situation as her trying to be as honest as she can without quite literally triggering Cloud or spilling Aerith's secrets, while Cloud, AT BEST is acting out a role with her and being the suave hero who he thinks she wants (which is arguably true, but let's not get into whether Tifa wants the "real" Cloud here) instead of his true awkward self (thus no actual progress in their relationship is made, since everything was just an act on his part). And AT WORST is outright using her as a rebound.

Seriously, what are you all mad at HER for?

#clerith #usually i would tag this with all the relevant ff tags but i'm a bit afraid of this one breaking containment since it's discourse-y #i genuinely want to get the perspective of fellow clerith shippers here. afraid of fans of the other ship finding and hijacking this #like yes i am defending tifa here. and OVERALL i do like her. but i am 100% not on that side of the ship war. thanks. #i just genuinely don't understand what she did that got people upset in her date when from my perspective... #either cloud should be getting the flak or ALL ff7 characters should be acknowledged as complex and flawed #thus we forgive them when they make mistakes or choose to do semi-fucked up things. and move on to other points of interest

[rydiathesummoner]

FF7 shippers: "Cloud and Tifa were made for each other!"

"NO! Cloud and Aerith make more sense!"

*continues loudly ruining the entire Fandom since 1997*

Square Enix: OK. Listen up, you little shits. You couldn't behave. So we're just going unhinged, and you're going to like it.

#I prefer this over the shipping wars tbh #ffvii remake #ffviir #ffvii rebirth #ff7 rebirth #ff7

[catboyidia]

omg now we have the yaoi and the yuri version of the rebirth key visual! 🥳 win for the gays AND the lesbians! yippee!!!

#seriously though i love the aerith/tifa version! they look great! #anyways zakkura and aerti canon <3 (jk i swear! but people are using these for cloti vs clerith ship wars and its stupid) #so maybe if i make it obnoxiously gay (like myself) then i can deter the het shippers (not all just the ones that are starting ship wars) #also love that this is being used to fuel ship wars and everyone collectively ignores seph lol #like if this canonizes cloti and zerith somehow (saw ppl actually say that) the what does it mean for seph? sephxhimself canon? sephseph? #(idk how this canonizes any ship tbh especially cloti and zerith cause like… they’ve been canon for like… years…) #im ranting in these tags im so sorry i just think its so stupid but im also seeing it on twitter so like… of course its frustratingly dumb #ff7 #ffvii #final fantasy 7 rebirth #cloud strife #zack fair #aerith gainsborough #tifa lockhart

[zorostitties]

ok but serious question. why is the ff7 fandom on twitter so fucking stupid. like fr. why is everyone so STUPID. i feel like all of them played the game with their asses given the amount of SHIT they say. everyday i open that goddamn app and see the most vague, superficial, DUMB take on the story/characters. ships got their brains rotten istg

#ff7 #ffvii #ff7 rebirth #ffvii rebirth #ff7 remake #final fantasy vii #it's UPSETTING #how many people have no media literacy AT ALL??? #and the most horrible takes are ALWAYS towards aerith and tifa #like yeah please belittle these two characters to your stupid little ship #as if they don't have HUNDREDS OF HOURS of development/motivations outside of cloud #i thought the star wars fandom was the worst out there but they have SERIOUS COMPETITION

[the-east-art]

It bothered me that Aerith is clearly coded as Rosa because I felt bad about Tifa getting shelved in the Loveless sequence unless if her date but it’s the symbolism and foreshadowing that wins I think m.

Anyway Aerith is Rosa because Rosa stays behind. Rosa stays behind in as the city collapses around her and wishes to see Alphreid again. She stays behind to pray or to stay in another world or to truly be dead depending on your interpretation. And Alphreid he does not stay - Alphreid moves forward to the next act of the play.

Tifa is not Rosa because Tifa moves forward with Cloud. Tifa is in the next act and in the secret unwritten fifth act. Tifa in the story deliberately never leaves Cloud.

#ffvii #ff7 #loveless #this is probably obvious #but whatever #I’m like #look #I’m not an otp person #I think cloud loves both of them #this isn’t about ship wars #jsut why I think they did the sequence the way they did

[dark-elf-writes]

Post canon where Cloud trips into semi-adopting nearly every orphan he comes across. It’s an accident really. Denzel came first and then after everything with Geostigma there were so many recently healed kids still left with no one. Kids that had nightmares of Kadaj and the control he had over them. Kids that no one could understand quite like Cloud could. It wasn’t until Tifa caught him sleeping on the floor after giving up his bed for the third time that week that it was decided he should move somewhere with enough space for all the kids. And from there it’s all over for him like every other day there’s a new kid showing up that needs a place to stay and he’s not going to be the one to turn them away.

And the kids all adore him. He’s their awkward dad/older brother/hero and all of them just really want him to be happy.

So they come up with a plan.

Clearly someone as cool as cloud deserves to have a partner that’s just as cool and they are going to be the ones to play matchmaker and make sure Cloud gets taken care of like he deserves.

The only problem? None of the kids actually agree who exactly Cloud should be with so there’s some trying to get him with Rufus Shinra (“He’s rich!”) while others are trying to get him with Vincent (“They even brood the same!”) while others are dead set on Tifa (“They already act like husband and wife!”) and it all becomes the most complicated parent trap of all time.

None of them asked Cloud who he would be interested in as a partner. Cloud quite honestly can’t figure out how the kids keep making him run into Reno while out on deliveries or why a group of them keep trying to lock him and Cid in a closet together.

#the elf talks #ff7 #cloud hasn’t even accepted his title of “’patron saint of orphans’ he definitely hasn’t even touched the rest of this #he calls the orphanage Claudia’s home or something equally as sweet and heart breaking #the shipping wars are insane but the kids arguing are like five you know #clouds clutch au

[altocat]

Now that Sefikura is being teased in rebirth do you want them to be endgame?

Endgame in canon? Lol, no.

Definitely not after everything Sephiroth has done to Cloud. They're fine in AU, but not in the actual story. Sephiroth is a doomed monster. He doesn't end up with anyone because he's already lost himself. He might have some pretty R-rated feelings for Cloud, but they're unrequited beyond the possibility of mutual physical attraction, nothing more than that.

If you wanted me to be 100% honest and genuine about endgame Cloud ships, I'd say Tifa makes the most sense on a narrative level. She and Cloud have the healthiest dynamic imo, and their relationship is built on mutual support and respect. Not that Clerith or Zakkura doesn't also have their perks, but Cloti just always seemed to fit the best with the story's overall message and themes. And after everything they've seen and everyone they've lost, it just makes the most sense for them to heal each other little by little over time, just as they always have.

But don't worry. Tifa is VERY supportive of her bisexual boyfriend.

#asks #ff7 #ffvii #final fantasy 7 #sephiroth #cloud strife #tifa lockhart #cloti #fully expecting ship wars from this #it's my opinion hhhh #I LIKE Clerith and Zakkura is cute #and I like Sefikura too #so please don't kill me #this is just my honest take hhh

[sapphire-weapon]

"It's not the game. That's not what we're arguing about. It is all about an inherent thing we do of social sorting. The reason we socially sort is because we want to put ourselves into a group that gives us a sense of belonging, a sense of friendship, love, whatever you want to call it, and creating a sense of identity through which you can express yourself. These are very important things to people. [...] That is what people are really fighting over. It's masked under all these arguments over these merits about the game, but that's not actually what people are fighting about. They are fighting to defend their sense of identity and belonging from those who they believe are attacking that with their opinions about the game. [...] "What you can do is at least be aware of what's really going on inside of you when you get these strong feelings -- when you see these opposing views to what you believe. [...] Realize what's happening -- realize what's really happening. Take a step back from that. You have this cognizant higher thinking part of your brain right here behind your freaking forehead that you can use to go, 'Hold on a second, emotional part back there. This actually isn't all that serious.' [...] "Because it's going to happen. You're going to have a feeling that comes up. You're going to see somebody who says something and you're just going to feel annoyed. You're going to feel angry. You're going to feel all those feelings. You don't have a choice in that, by the way. That's just going to happen to you. That's the part we're saying you can't control about your human nature. But you can control -- being aware of where that's really coming from -- how you go about responding to that. [...] "We have to wrestle with this. We have to wrestle with how we respond to this. Because [...] we have tools at our disposal that put us into contact with people who, it feels like, are threatening us all the time when they're not. They're not. They're not threatening you. It feels like they are -- it really feels like it. Trust me, I know exactly what you're feeling. [...] I could not control myself. I literally couldn't for a while. If I saw somebody say something like that, I felt the need to validate my position, clarify, tell this guy or girl or whoever was saying it why they're wrong. It's in me, too. [...] "And, I feel like, just in the past couple weeks, I had a little bit of a breakthrough, where I was looking through some comments and I saw something, and I just kind of laughed at it instead of getting angry. I laughed at it because it was wrong; I didn't get angry because it was wrong. Like, my brain -- the prefrontal cortex finally broke through and convinced the amygdala that: 'You can laugh at that; it's okay. You're not threatened. Just laugh it off and walk away. You don't have to fight this person. You don't have to engage. You don't have to prove that they didn't understand what you really meant. You don't have to do that. It's just a video game.'"

-- Mike from Resonant Arc, talking about video game discourse and shipping wars

#just listened to this podcast and thought it was really fascinating #this was something they wanted to get out ahead of rebirth's release #because mike got introduced to FF7's ship wars with the release of remake #after he got pulled into the fandom discourse following remake's release #because he had become public enemy no1 for a while for his opinions #and realized that the fandom infighting is so much worse than just people dogging on him because he didn't like the game #anyway i wanted to share this #i think the whole podcast is worth listening to #since this blog has been a target for harassment and a lot of my followers have admitted to feeling stuck in their frustration #and that last paragraph in particular is the place that i've been at for a long time #and i'd like you guys to come join me here lmao

[sleeping-lionheart]

Making this side blog was one of the best things about my 2023. The FF8 fandom is the best of all. I see only lots of beautiful art, meaningful post and analysis, great meme and funny things related to the game, you guys are very nice. I am and I've been in lots of fandom, but this community is my favourite!

#I wanted to make a happy holidays post but this came to mind #Above all because the never ending hatred and ship wars I see on the FF7 fandom #I understand that FF7 have lots of choises that make canon more ambiguous but still I've been in the fandom since OG and I am tired #At least in the FF8 fandom there is more focus on arts #Sharing things and having fun together #Which is my ideal view of what a fandom should be #Text post #Final fantasy viii fandom #Fandom

[dunwall-sewer-rat]

I dream of the day when ship wars cease to exist

Genuinely, you can dislike a ship without dissing it or its shippers, and you can like a ship without dunking on ""opposing"" ships and their shippers. Grow the fuck up.

#shipping #ship wars #fandom problems #do better #fanfic #im directing this at the overwatch fandom currently because im so sick of #spuriken vs yeehan #cassidy can date them both come on #also it applies to ff7 also #and every fandom ever #botw and totk too actually

[jenipedia]

FF7 Rebirth came out today and I see that the shipping wars have begun anew. The real question is did they ever really end?

#ff7 rebirth #this war has seriously been going on since 1997 and it shows no signs of stopping #ship wars #i personally don’t care who cloud’s official romance is supposed to be #I’m a multishipper at heart #cloud is honestly just the fandom bicycle #just ship everyone with him #cloud has two hands

[moseyed]

man this fandom dead as hell,,, and that’s a good thing

#wasabi says some dumb shit #I remember the ye olden days of shipping wars and the smell of toxicity in the ff7 fandom while I was making cat memes of cloud 😔