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linksthoughtbrambles · 7 months
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The First Step in All Cases
A little totk fic for Linktober 2023 Day 8 Prompt: Constructs. 1200 words.
AaaaaAAAAND face-plant.  Of course.
Somewhere along the line, he really thought he’d gotten better at this.  All that Calamity-smiting might’ve gone to his head.
(Definitely, it definitely had, because he let Zelda he let Zelda fall)-
“No,” he said with a sputter of grass, grit, and adorable little purple petals (What were those?  They didn’t taste half-bad) from his mouth, the sting of a long scratch the full length of his face an annoying reminder of his utter lack of elixirs and determination to find out where the frick they went whenever he got home.
He ignored the downed wing behind him and jogged toward the nearest ruined foundation.  The conditions here had preserved materials so well.  Maybe he’d find something to patch himself up-
-like a cookpot!  Link smiled, huffing at the similarity between those strewn about Hyrule and this ancient example, sitting near the center of a home from far longer ago than the previous Calamity.
“Okay, except I don’t have any monster parts.  Could make myself some dinner, though-“
“BrbrEEEEEbr.”
Link’s feet returned to the stone, his first coherent thought being gratitude at not face-planting for the second time in two minutes.
“Allow me to offer unsolicited advice,” the sneaky steward construct said.  It meandered toward Link, though it didn’t enter the ancient footprint of the house.
“…Uh,” Link said.
“Are you going this direction?”
Link glanced at the hands it held loosely, the fingers dangling and not at all pointing any particular way.  “…Uhh-“
“This mountain path is especially rugged.”
Link looked around.  “What mountain pa-“
“You must take your environment into account when traveling.”
“…Right.  Hey, I don’t know how much Rauru clued you in, here, but I kept my memory this time.  Totally got this.“
“I have developed guidelines for traveling this mountain path.”
“Guidelines, really?  That’s great- I think I’m all set, though-”
“Shall I tell you them?”
“Uh.  I think I got it.  Stay warm, right?  Yep.  All set.”
The construct cocked its head at him.
Its strangely adorable head.
“…Don’t give me those dangly robot earrings.”
“Allow me to offer unsolicited advice.”
‘Please?’ its sideways face said in a way only mysteriously non-metallic rigid features can.
Link loosed a sharp sigh, nodding to himself.  He could spend a few minutes listening to a robot who’d been lonely for tens of thousands of years, couldn’t he?  Zelda was safe and here, right?  Of course, she was.  He saw the glow lift her up.  She’s up here in the temple, and he just has to get in.
“Let’s hear it!” Link said.
Something vaguely stern seemed to enter the construct’s inanimate stance.  “Very well.”
Link swallowed, hands on his hips to ride this out.
“Fire is a crucial tool when traveling the mountain path.”
Oh dear Hylia.  “Damn right!”
“A fire can be used either to cook or to warm yourself.”
“Yep.”
“I recommend using flint as a Fire starter.”
“Fantastic recommendation.”
“Place flint next to a bundle of wood. Then strike it with a metallic or stony weapon.”
Dear Goddess, it really does think I have no idea.
“This is my recipe for fire.”
Link blinked.  “That’s- amazing.  It’s mine, too!”
“There are several other methods.  But it is best to internalize the basics first.”
“Makes sense.  You know, you can also use red chu chu jelly-“
“Would you like to hear about cooking?”
That sounded more interesting.  Ancient cooking?  “Yes, please!  Teach me about cooking!”
“You can cook anytime and anywhere.”
Wow.  Optimistic robot.
“All you need is a pot with a lit fire.”
“Oh.  I- know about pots-“
“One method of cooking-“
“-I use them all the time.”
“-is simply to throw random ingredients into the pot.”
“I’m a pretty good cooOOH RANDOM?”
“Others are more careful.”
“I’m sorry, did you just start a newbie’s cooking lesson with ‘put RANDOM things in a pot?’”
“This is the best way to make meals that can warm you up.”
“Wait wait wait, careful how?  You have to be specific!  A newbie needs clear instructions!”
“Other effects are also possible.”
“Yeah, true, but let’s start with the basics-”
“Insects and monster parts are not edible.”
“No no no no, you don’t start with stuff you don’t put in the pot-“
“Do not cook horns or guts with food.”
“I don’t tell people ‘by the way, don’t put a bunch of soap in a cookpot’ and then send them off to cook their first meal!”
“Save these parts as materials for elixirs.”
“Elixirs?!  You haven’t talked about cooking normal food yet!”
“Elixirs are also helpful in the mountains.”
“So are pants!  That doesn’t make them part of a good first cooking lesson!”
 “They are an alternate way to warm your body or recover stamina.”
“Noted, but-“
“The first step in all cases is to start a fire.”
Oh- okay, maybe this is where the cooking lesson starts.
“This is all I can tell you.  Take care.”
Link’s palm struck his forehead with a loud smack.  “You’re- kidding me!”
“Do not worry if you forget any of this.”
“I wish I could, but I think my forgetting days are over-“
“I am not going anywhere.”
Link stared at the construct.
10,000-plus years… for this?  This poor thing knew literally nothing about cooking, yet was doomed to wander the sky island for all eternity to expel its meager wisdom to random passersby?
“No.  No, this is not cool,” Link said.
“BrbrEEEEEBrrr,” cooed the construct.  It turned as if to attend its other duties.
“Eh- Allow me to offer unsolicited advice!” Link said.
“BrbrEEEErrEebr?” Its head cocked at Link.
“I happen to actually be a good cook,” Link said.
It stared at him.
“I- gh- hmm.”  Link grimaced.  “I… have developed guidelines for cooking simple, nourishing meals!” he said with a smile.  “Shall I tell you them?”
The construct’s head shifted back, the earring-like structures jangling in a way reminiscent of a Hylian retriever’s ears.  “I will listen.”
Link approached the construct with a grin and took its hand.  “Follow me to the cookpot, please.”
“Brr-brr-eEEe.”  It didn’t budge.
“What is it?”
“I have not been invited into my masters’ home.”
A small, half-smile touched Link’s face.  “I… live here, now.  I’m inviting you in.”
“BrbrEEee.”
The construct crossed the threshold without resistance.
“Okay,” Link said with a clap of his hands and a delve into his Korok pouch.  “There are three ways to cook in a cookpot.  You can cook in water, cook in fat, or you can dry-roast.  Um.” Link pulled out a raw pigeon carcass he’d already cleaned—he’d had half a mind to cook it before the construct spoke to him anyway.  “Perfect.  This is raw bird—pigeon!—it has some of its own fat, so we’ll just go ahead and roast it.”  Link smirked and eyed his artificial friend.  “…What do you think the first step is?”
“The first step in all cases is to start a fire.”
Link nodded.  “You got it.”
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Epilogue:
“And if you collect enough of these and grind them down really fine, you make flour, and if you cook that in fat you make a roux, and there are all sorts of things you can do with that!”
“Brbrrreeee!” the construct chimed.
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clingyduoapologist · 6 months
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See the problem is I can acknowledge that Ezio is probably a better written character than Altair and his interactions with other characters like Leonardo and Rosa are all handled fairly well but also there’s just something about Altair being such a fucking idiot that he basically has to run around the Holy Lands sulking while Malik calls him a little bitch that I don’t think any other ac protagonist has ever matched
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cienie-isengardu · 2 years
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My RepCom Musing:  Control Issue
Warning - a long text ahead.
Do you sometimes wonder how long will Vau tolerate Kal’s behavior before calling him on his control issues once everyone settled together on Mandalore for good?
I myself wonder about this lately, not as a way to bash Kal Skirata (which I admittedly have some serious issues with) but as a way to examine one important layer of complicated relationship between these two Mandalorians. A complexity of two stubborn and strong-willed men, with extreme different approach to vital matters who may at times still not see (admit) how harmful was their wrongdoing - and both have their own share of serious wrongdoings - but who constantly keep an eye on each other and do some serious callout, metaphorical or real stabbing, everytime one of them cross the accepted line. This is so far the most visible with Skirata who came to the point he sees Vau as part of his family but still will breathe down his neck so that Vau could never again physically hurt any of his (their) clone commandos:
"Yeah." Skirata didn't want to restart that fight. But he knew he'd take his knife to Vau, just like old times, if he so much as raised his hand to those lads again, and yet somehow that coexisted with a respect and ... yes, affection. Vau was family, too. [Order 66]
Vau’s input on Skirata’s flaws and wrongdoing isn’t subtler as he is saying everything straight in his face, yet (beside Triple Zero) it is less promising any physical reparations if the man crossed the accepted line so far. Which makes sense in the context, since for the majority of book series, both men were gathering funds and preparing the safe home for deserting clones so Walon wasn’t there to witness all Kal’s controlling (manipulative) habits and some of these could be easily framed as a needed part of their special operation. But the book series showed on many occasions that Walon is not afraid to call out Skirata when he is doing disservice to his men or lets emotion get the better of his judgment. It is especially visible with the matter of giving clones a real choice and with that, independence - something Kal knows is the final goal of their operation, but does not always follow this notion. The known to us story concerning clan residence on Mandalore wasn’t yet a proper set-up for Vau to take more prominent role in breathing down Kal’s neck but with what we learned about him, I do not doubt that the longer he would stay around Skirata to experience his daily-life interaction with others, the more willing he would be to call out his friend on some questionable habits of his.
I mean, yes, Walon and Kal knew each other for a long time and their relationship had its ups and downs. During Clone Wars they managed to put to rest their personal feuds (and some of their quarrels come pretty close to murder attempt). From the second book onward they had a common goal - to save their boys and somehow along the way even became truly close to each other.
On Coruscant and during the search for Ko Sai, both tried to tolerate each other’s flaws because they were devoted to their “sacred mission” no less as they were professional soldiers who would not allow emotions to disrupt their hard-won compromise. Mandalore though is gonna be a different case. This is a safe home for a clan made by Mandalorians, clone troopers and their wives/girlfriends and Jedi who, in theory, all gonna live in the same place. 
And here things may get complicated. 
Whatever went wrong between them on Kamino, they had their own personal space (separate apartments), established work schedules and separate clone batches to which they devoted most of their time. On Mandalore whatever conflict starts between them will not be so easily dismissed because they are gonna be in each space with little option to keep distance, unless one will go on long-term mission to calm down or move out. Considering how close they became and the fact that Vau passed Mird to Jaing’s care as was seen in Legacy of the Force book series, the moving out doesn’t feel likely.   
(Additionally, Vau spent some months(?) apart from the rest of the clan during his search for missing Sev. Once he came back, the presence of Death Watch on Mandalore and Jedi literally in their supposedly safe house took the priority on the list of problems to focus on, so timeline of Imperial Commando:501st was still not favorable for focusing on Skirata’s questionable habits and social exceptions that aren’t strictly mandalorian norms).
Vau in general does not try to get involved much in other people’s lives. But. As much as Walon is good at keeping his personal feelings just to himself - to the point that even Jedi have a problem reading him with Force - he is a very perceptive man and a person who doesn’t mind picking up a fight with Skirata or pointing out his weakness and failures. He has a backbone and independence that some others lack, especially Nulls and clones trained by Skirata, who feel like they owe him their loyalty and thus may not want to challenge him in a direct way. Or, like in Darman’s case, at least, as long as Skirata does not breach their trust. 
Vau though? Oh he loves to pick on Kal and does that mercilessly through the whole series, even for little things. The books made it pretty clear that  Vau “could wind [Skirata] up as surely as a mechanical toy” [Triple Zero] and this seems to be a personal hobby of his to the point that Skirata literally says “And I wonder what you'd do with yourself if you didn't have me to torment” [True Colors].
The books also gave a solid insight into their conflicted viewpoints. Obviously, how clone soldiers should or shouldn’t be trained was the main source of their clashing and their different approach to the matter speaks a lot about them by presenting the values they hold the dearest. They both want to give clones a chance for normality but the core difference between them is that Skirata wants (needs?) to be a part of his men’s life while Vau seems to be okay now to separate himself from that power over his men (and I even dare to say, on purpose or subconsciously, trained his men to survive without a father in their life, as he did). 
Skirata’s choice is neither better nor worse than Vau’s and vice versa, for both approaches come from their personal experiences and are a direct response to their individual trauma. Beside hardship of his boyhood years, Kal’s biggest trauma was not being a good father to his biological children to the point he was written off from his own family and now he devoted all his time and energy to save clones and other strays while Vau’s abusive childhood gave him a rocky relationship with broadly understood fatherhood to the point he is capable to openly show a genuine emotions only toward Mird while struggles with articulate them to other human beings, even those he knows well. He is making progress in that regard, but talking to Kal about his parental feelings toward Sev is still not the same as admitting them to the commando’s face.  
But the conflict of how to train clone commandos (and how far is too far) was important only at the beginning of the story and sidelined soon after the second book. Once Skirata and Vau decided to join their forces to save their boys, they clashed over other, now more prominent matters that will not disappear so easily once their Mandalorian clan settle down. Quite opposing, those matters may escalate with passing time. 
(The Imperial Commando:501st book already showed that Vau is the most prominent person to go toe to toe with Skirata when it comes to the safety of their clan, as was seen with his concerns about Arla and how dangerous she could be and helping the Jedi who managed to survive Purge. Those concerns aren’t actually the main topic of my rambling but I’m bringing these examples as a proof their new home for clones and strays isn’t still and may never be fully the promised paradise. Though Walon and Kal’s arguments don’t disrupt that much the illusion of idyll since usually only Ordo and Jusik stay around arguing old Mandalorians to make sure there will be no blows, while the rest is just so used to the quarrels between these two from Kamino they barely pay attention anymore. Or, in case of nasty argument, everyone finds something to occupy themselves, presumably far away from clashing Mandalorians.)
The most important issue brought already by the books is allowing clones to choose whatever the old sergeants agree with the choice or not. This is strictly tied to Vau and Skirata disagreement in regard to Etain’s pregnancy and the dilemma should Darman be told or not. 
"Okay-Etain's pregnant. Short enough for you?" 
    Vau made a noise in his throat that sounded remarkably like Mird's gargling objection to being moved from the sofa. "I'll start knitting," he said. "Obviously the Force wasn't with her." 
    Nobody asked who the father was. The romance was hardly a secret: even Delta knew. 
    "She's on Qiilura until she gives birth," Skirata said. "And nobody says a word to the boys." 
    "Not even us," Mereel muttered. 
    "No, Mer'ika, not even you. Because then you can't accidentally put your great big boot in it, like the general just did." 
    "Sorry." Jusik hung his head. "I thought at least the Nulls would know." 
    "Okay, I'll brief the rest of them," said Skirata. "But Darman doesn't know, and it stays that way until he's in a position to be able to ... well, process the news. At the moment, all he'd do is worry instead of keeping his mind on the job." 
    "That's not fair on the man," Vau said. "Not if you think he is a man, and not some helpless kid. Or a simpleton." 
    "Okay, mir'sheb, you got a better idea?" 
    Vau blinked a few times. "No, I don't think any answer is the right one here, other than hindsight." 
    "She wanted to give him a son, some kind of future. And smart move or not, I'm doing the same, so maybe it's my fault for putting ideas in her head." [True Colors]
Kal decided to keep vital information from Darman about Etain’s pregnancy and forbade others to tell him the news until Skirata decided it was the right moment to do so. The secret was already kept for like half a year (and only Ordo and Jusik knew, the first learned the truth by accident and the other knew because of Force). Skirata did so to protect Darman as he thought it was the only correct course of action. We know Darman did not appreciate that once he learned from Etain about their son and Kal’s action broke the trust between them.
Darman ventured into territory he was reluctant to even think about. "Kal'buir knew."
"Yeah, but you said Etain would be in serious osik if the Jedi Thought Police caught her." Niner seemed to be going for mitigating circumstances. "And don't they take Jedi babies? She had her reasons."
But she had told him, and Kad wasn't any less at risk. The assumption was that the baby was Force-sensitive, or whatever they called it. That didn't make him a Jedi. Darman longed for a few sensible words from Jusik. He'd have the answers, and if he didn't, he'd still have some wise words on the situation that might make Darman see the positive side and a way of picking up again from here. It struck him that his first thought wasn't to pour his heart out to Skirata.
[...]
Regular humans grew up knowing what families were, what parents did even if they didn't have one. In Darman's wholly artificial world on Kamino, during the years that mostly shaped him, Darman had worked out something vital; that there was such a thing as a father, and Kal Skirata filled that gap in his life. He'd seen Jango Fett from time to time-and his son-and known that he was grown from the man's cells, but he never felt the connection with him that he felt with Skirata. Humans were just like any other creature in the galaxy. Their instinct was to breed and look after their young, and cloning humans and growing them in vats didn't change that one bit.
[...]
Niner clicked his teeth in annoyance. "Well, you can forget the practical problems, and we can get you through the bad feelings. We always have. Vode An, right?"
Actually, Niner was wrong. He was very wrong. Darman was in a place he'd never been before, and it was about more than suddenly finding he had a child out there somewhere. It was about trust. The galaxy was all lies, and even his job was built partly on deception, but as long as there was one area that he knew was real and that wouldn't crumble under him, he felt safe.
That part wasn't Etain. It was Kal'buir.
"He knew," Darman said "and he never told me."
"Kal?" Corr asked.
"Why wouldn't he tell me?"
"Because he knew you'd go off the deep end like this."
"Don't I have a right to know? I mean, he always told me I was a man with the right to control my own life, but now he decides what's good for me and what isn't."
Niner cut in. "Give him a break. Kal'buir wasn't the one who got pregnant and kept quiet about it."
"Well, if he had a reason for not telling me, it's either because he thought I was too stupid to handle it, or that Etain's problems were more important. I mean, it's not like I'd tell anyone else, is it?"
"Or," said Niner, "maybe he decided that because you and Etain are two adults, he was staying out of your private business."
It made sense. Niner always did. But it didn't placate Darman one bit. He was starting to find definite thoughts solidifying in the fog of painful emotions, and three of them loomed like rocks: that he wasn't trusted by people he loved and trusted that he wasn't sure now if he could trust them, and that he had a nameless, formless, desperate animal need to see his kid even if he wasn't sure what a father in his position was supposed to do.
Well, he could hang on to that. And he knew what a father's job was. He'd had what he thought was the best role model in Skirata, although doubts about that now gnawed at him. [Order 66]
(Darman’s accusation that Skirata did not tell him the truth “because he thought [he] was too stupid to handle it” is, ironically, an echo of Vau’s made in a previous book.)
Back then in True Colors, of all the people gathered to hear the news about Etain’s pregnancy, only Vau pointed out the unfairness done to Darman but also Skirata treating him not like a man he was but a helpless child or simpleton. Mereel, who was confrontational toward Kal about keeping the secret from Nulls other than Ordo, did not take any part in the discussion, nor Jusik who befriended Omega Squad in previous book(s).
Ultimately, Vau did not involve himself into this charade more than necessary. He did not agree with Skirata, but didn’t go against the man’s plan (and to be honest, if he did and tried to reveal the secret, the outcome most likely would end much worse). Like he said, there was no right choice at that time, especially since the secret already lasted a few months. 
Surprisingly, the matter giving the choice to clones vs decision made for them was brought up twice in the same book. Again, by Walon Vau:
“You do realize,” he said to Skirata, “that if the troopers were given a choice, most would opt to stay in the army anyway?”
    “I do. We all prefer the comfort of what we know best.”
    “They’d be as dead as volunteers as they’d be as slaves, Kal.”
    “But they’d have a choice, and that’s what makes us free men.”
    “Actually, that’s a load of osik. Plenty of free beings in the galaxy don’t have a vote and don’t get a choice about what they do each day. There’s a very blurred line between slavery and economic dependence.”
On one hand, it is good to see both Mandalorians, at least in theory, took into account that men they try to save may choose a different life, even if the choice ultimately leads only to their death. Interestingly, it is Kal who says that having a choice is what matters the most because he himself witholded said choice (knowledge) from Darman and to some degree from Ordo by keeping him at his side almost through the whole war. Vau on other hand pointed the blurred line between slavery and economic dependence and its impact on “people’s freedom”. It could be just one of Vau’s more personal thoughts, most likely linked to his own background (and he for sure has some interesting personal opinions about the world) but it could be also read as a point about clones choosing to run away from the army. It is Kal and Walon who have the money and therefore the power over other, more vulnerable characters - not only clones, but Laseema and Etain as well. Both women did not experience real independence due to one being a female Twi'lek working for a Hutt in his night club and the other being a Jedi, with no money, family or personal contacts to be in position of making choices for themselves. It may not be intended to read like that but in the perspective of the story, Vau’s words hold the truth. Giving clones a choice is not good enough, if they were still economy dependent on someone’s good will. 
And yes, Skirata was shown through the story as a doting father who buys his sons sweets and gives them a lot of credits to have fun between missions but clones did not own the money, did not have bank accounts, weren’t paid by army/Republic. It was a gift but gifts can be witholded, can be taken back or create the feeling that something should be given in return. Clones were dependent, not only in the economic sense. 
Frankly, the first(?) time Kal brought the plan to open all Nulls their own private bank accounts - and with them, independence and privacy from his control - happened in Order 66, three years into war. And that so far was only about Nulls.
"I hear that store does very good nut slice."
Skirata fished in his pockets automatically and crammed a stack of credit chips into Mereel's hand.
"Time we got some bank accounts sorted out for you all," he said.
Mereel shrugged. "We're not short of creds, any of us."
"I mean real bank accounts, not skimming off the Republic's budget. In case anything happens to me."
"Buir, we can slice into any banking system in the galaxy, like Mij said. We're big boys now. And nothing's going to happen to you."
Skirata walked a precarious line between wanting to protect his adopted sons from an unforgiving galaxy and giving them the space the Republic denied them to be independent. It was a parent's dilemma, magnified many times and complicated by their accelerated compressed life spans. He didn't want to dole out pocket money to them like kids; these were fighting men, and they deserved the wherewithal to lead their own lives, all the simple routine choices that citizens had.
"I don't mean money laundering," Skirata said. "I'll get Jaing to set up personal accounts for you all. Private, to spend as you like. None of my business."
So in that regard, we see progress, at least within the relationship between Kal and Nulls. Vau, after robbing a bank and giving money to Skirata, made it clear the funds were also for his own former trainees: "But remember my men, too, Kal. If they need help when the time comes … I expect it to be given.“
Vau brought the matter of giving the choice to clones and respecting their decision again in Order 66 and even asked when Kal is planning to inform rest of his squads:
"Look," Skirata said. "That's the easy bit. The hard bit is getting Omega out now. And Etain. The Nulls can come and go because Zey and his cronies are used to that, but the others are pretty visible. Have you spoken to Delta?"
"No. They'll get to hear, and then they can make their own choice. What about your other squads? I know Omega's your pride and joy, but when are you going to put the word out that there's a haven for the others, too?"
"When we're sure Kyrimorut is secure and everyone's settled."
"Okay."
"Walon, I know I've bitten off more than I can chew. But I had to try. And I think we're as close to pulling it off as ever."
Vau sighed. "Okay."
And to be honest, Vau’s okay doesn’t sound that much convincing? I don’t know, but it feels like this discussion was already done and repeated off panel and either Skirata’s choice to keep the secret from clones or waiting so long is not satisfying yet Vau, which really no better choice to not jeopardy their operation, keeps to the plan.
Vau is going to tell the truth to Deltas, is going to offer them the safe place but the ultimate choice must be made by clone commandos themselves. Not him. Not Kal. Deltas alone. 
Vau once again brought the possibility of clone commandos choosing to stay in army, as was seen in Imperial Commando: 501st in regard to Darman and Niner:
"If you're that worried," Vau said, "all you have to do is comm them."
Skirata didn't take his eyes off the log balanced on the chopping block. He'd had one accident too many with axes when he was distracted.
"If they're doing a delicate job, I might comm just at the wrong time... " Skirata lined up his ax, swung, and split another log in two neat halves. It was a kind of meditation-nothing mystic, just living in the moment by repeating simple and necessary actions without thought, the best way of quieting the mind. "Like just then, in fact."
"You realize that Niner and Darman could have left Imperial City under their own steam by now? They're commandos, for goodness sake. Getting out of places is what they do best-after getting in, of course."
"Yes, but they haven't. That tells me they need extracting."
"That's what worries me," Vau said.
"Meaning?"
"Darman's got a son here. Even Niner agreed to desert in the end. They had every reason to get out as soon as Niner could walk again. But they didn't."
"You know as well as I do that you have to pick your moment to exfil in a situation like that."
Skirata hadn't wanted to think about it, but he wondered if he'd judged it all wrong and the two clones wanted to stay in the army. If they did, then it was all his fault. He'd been responsible for keeping Etain's pregnancy from Darman, not one deceit but a daily cycle of lies until the kid was a toddler. If Darman hadn't bonded with his son enough to put being with him above everything, then it was because Skirata had set him a rotten example as a father. And Niner-Niner had an unshakable sense of duty and responsibility that Skirata had nurtured.
I trained them to be perfect soldiers. Now I want them to forget all that and come and play renegade Mando here with me. What can I expect?
"Yes," Vau said, as if he'd been having an internal debate with himself during Skirata's long silence. "I'm getting too anxious. Too much idle time on my hands. They were just waiting for the right moment."
"No point fighting your way out when you can walk out," Skirata said. He glanced at the chrono on his forearm plate. "Lunch. Come on, let's spend some quality sha'kajir time with our highly qualified comrade."
More surprisingly, this is a rare moment in which Vau did not push the matter and, well, went soft on Kal (and himself?) instead of focusing on the “worst scenario”. Delta Squad wasn’t mentioned in this paragraph but the “Getting out of places is what they do best-after getting in, of course” statement by logic applies to them too. Up until the last book, commandos wishing to stay in the army was a possibility but not already made a choice. Now both Mandalorians slowly must come to terms with the harsh reality that some of their “boys” may not choose them over the Empire.
And that brings us to another issue that Kal and Walon at some point will need to face - losing control over their trainees, and said control has many layers. The most obvious one is the military rank that both once hold over clone commandos. In regard to Vau, we already saw glimpses of him giving up this power and separating himself from the former role of training sergeant. It does not magically change the already established (also in abusive way) dynamic between him and Delta Squad (and Atin) but definitely is a first step in a right way.
To be honest, Vau’s choice to remain “civilian” is unexpected in the sense that the army had been his whole life since he was disinherited by biological family and ran away from Irmenu. He wanted to be a soldier since he was a small boy so to fulfill his dream and/or to spite his father he joined the Mandalorians and was one of them for literal decades. 
Vau’s choice to step away from military rank  was a constant decision from Triple Zero to the end of the story. In the mentioned book, it was a necessary part of the Skirata’s operation so he could do the dirty job without any official ties to General Zey and the army. 
But then the prologue of True Colors alone provides us with this:
 "Sarge..." Scorch looks at the security locks on the strong-room hatch with the appraising eye of an expert at breaking the unbreakable. That's how I trained him: he's the best. "Sarge, we got what we came for. Why are we robbing a bank?"
    "You're not robbing it. I'm robbing it. You're just opening a door." This is about justice. And relieving Separatists of their wealth stops them from spending it on ar maments, after all. "And I'm a civilian now."
in which Vau reminded Scorch he did not hold that power over Delta Squad anymore. Even if he still sees Delta as his boys, the dynamic and dependence between them shifted and he himself contributed to that. Of course, the old habits die hard and the same as Scorch and his brothers still used a military rank to address Vau, Vau himself kept falling back to an authoritative figure that gives orders and demands obediences, like here:
"Go on, get out of here." I walk down the corridor lined with unimaginably excessive wealth: rare precious metals, untraceable credit chips, priceless jewels, antiques, industrial secrets, blackmail material. Ordinary credits aren't the only things that make the galaxy rotate. The Vau family box is in here. "I said dismiss, Delta."
    Boss stands his ground. "You can't carry it all on your own."
    "I can carry enough." I can haul a fifty-kilo pack all right, maybe not as easily as young men like them, but I'm motivated and that shaves years off my age. "Dismissed. Thin out. Now. This is my problem, not yours."
Except, as the next chapter showed, Delta did not follow his orders like they used to do on Kamino and Boss even threw back at Vau the “you are civilian now” argument to establish a different set of rules between them. 
    Vau wasn't used to anything other than instant obedience from his squads. He'd drummed it into them on Kamino, the hard way when necessary. Skirata thought you built special forces soldiers by treats and pats on the head, but it just produced weaklings; Vau's squads had the lowest casualty rates because he reinforced the animal will lo survive in every man. He was proud of it.
    "You did," Boss said, "but you look like you need a hand. Anyway - you're not our sergeant any longer. Technically speaking. No disrespect... Citizen Vau."
[...]
    "I should have thrashed more sense into you, then," Vau said. He unfolded a plastoid bivouac sheet and knotted the corners. It was always a bad idea not to plan for the most extreme situation: he'd been certain he would only take what was rightfully his, but this was too good to pass up. "Okay, you and Scorch hold this between you while I fill it."
The status of civilian was again mentioned in Order 66:
"Are you on brigade strength again, Sarge?" Scorch asked.
"No. Still civilian status." Vau wore a slightly preoccupied frown that didn't seem to have anything to do with the business at hand. "That way I can tell Zey where to stick his orders without feeling I've lost my military self-respect. An army that refuses orders is a rabble." [Order 66]
Vau stayed close to his former students and Skirata clan but not exactly as part of the military chain of command. He did not hold power over clone commandos like Kal, who due to holding still the sergeant rank was directly involved in military matters. 
Skirata was the papa Kal to his trainees while Vau was a much more strict and less emotional type of training sergeant. Walon’s status of “citizen” does not undo all the trauma and hardship Deltas - and Atin - endured for years but at the same time the books gave us the starting points in which said commandos determine their relationship with Vau on their own terms rather than dictated by the ex-sergeant. In the case of Atin, it wasn’t just a murder attempt (Triple Zero); he was one of Skirata’s boys now and Laseema’s boyfriend (later husband), so did not need Walon in his new life and though there was sort of relative peace between both men, Vau stayed away as possible, until Atin himself offered the older man to start anew:
“[...]We're going very soon, son, and you better be ready."
"I'm ready," Atin said. "We all are. Is Vau there?"
"Yeah ..." It was still thin ice, even if hostilities between the two men had been shelved for the duration. "Want to talk to him?"
"No, just tell him that the war's over between us. It really is. Back home, we start anew. Cin vhetin."
Vau heard anyway. Skirata put the link back in his belt.
"I only ever did it to make sure they survived, whatever happened," Vau said. "I'm not a sadistic man." [Order 66]
Deltas started to define the boundary between their military affiliation and the civilian status of Vau. It may be not much yet, and there are plenty of important matters to unpack for all of them to deal with trauma and long-lived effects of abuse, but the book series at least hints at Vau's willingness to step away from the former dynamic he had with his trainees. 
With Skirata, the matter is complicated because his relationship with clones is more tinged with emotions and sometimes it is harder to step away from that kind of dependency. 
Like I said before, for me Vau seems to train his clones not only to have the almost animal will to survive no matter what, but also to not need him (father figure) when they are old enough and on their own. Atin especially is more confrontational than average commando, more independent and willing to ditch former sergeant and army to have the life he chooses for himself. And though he cares deeply for Skirata, I’m pretty sure his stubbornness/strong will would not be clouded by sentiment if Kal oversteps his hard-won trust. But Atin was trained by Vau and to some degree holds a similar mindset to his former training sergeant, whether he likes it or not. 
The rest of Omega and Nulls though are a different matter, for they all share with Skirata strong emotional ties that in a way blind them to some of Kal’s questionable traits. Vau was more prone to physical violence and emotional distance as far as books showed us thus it is easier to call him on wrongdoings, while Kal’s methods at times fall more into emotional blackmail - due to lack of “safe” emotional distance, characters are prone to feel guilty about how their actions had upsetted the old Mandalorian rather than either hold him accountable or put own mental health over his feelings. Whether he did that on purpose or out of habit/subconciousion, is up to individual interpretation, however the text provided enough examples that Kal does not like to lose control over the situation and involved people and is not always capable (willing?) to separate himself from the power he had over his sons and/or subordinates. 
A serious issue he sometimes acknowledged himself.
So we have this:
"Vau's handed the stash over to me, Bard'ika." Skirata was going to have to tell Vau about the apparent end of the Kamino contract, too. He had commandos in the field who were due their chance at life as much as anyone. The more Skirata's plan took detailed shape, the more people there'd be who needed to know things, and that always sat uncomfortably with him. "What you don't know can't burden you, son. If it all goes shu'shuk, you can at least look Zey in the eye and say you had no idea what I was up to." [True Colors]
Sharing details about his plans always sat uncomfortably with Skirata. How much of this is the result of working for so long as mercenaries and how much his natural controlling tendencies are up to debate.
Skirata was a magnet for waifs and strays; if someone was looking for a sense of belonging, Skirata could make them feel they belonged like nobody else. It was the necessary skill of a sergeant, someone who could bond troops with the intensity of a family, but it was also the authority of a father, and he often couldn't tell where one began and the other ended. He wasn't sure that it mattered. Jusik-clever, lonely, and increasingly at odds with Jedi policy-radiated a need for acceptance: the result was inevitable. Skirata struggled to find the line between taking advantage of the Jedi's vulnerability and getting the best deal for his clones. [True Colors]
For Kal the line between “sergeant” and “father” was blurred to the point  “he often couldn't tell where one began and the other ended” while also didn’t really think it is important to separate those two roles (“He wasn't sure that it mattered.“). He was fond of Jusik to the point, he offered to adopt the Jedi as his own son, yet he was aware his interest in the younger man was not completely selfless - an issue that was mentioned through the pages of the books, in regard to Bardan, Etain and Besanny, often by Ordo. How much they use befriended people, a concern that Kal usually downplayed as said people knew what they got into. Which is questionable, since they all were people in desperate need to belong to his clan either because they did not have a true family on their own or were romantically involved with Kal’s sons so they crawled his approval.
Or:
"I've got to get back to HQ," Ordo said. "Kal'buir, please don't take risks, okay?"
It was a feeble thing to say to a mercenary, and Ordo knew it. "I'm going to retrieve Kad'ika and the ladies, and then we grab Uthan," Skirata said. "Can you find a way to recall Omega?"
"Have they said they're willing to desert?"
"Not in so many words. Sometimes you have to give folks a nudge to save themselves."
Skirata had learned nothing about giving others choices. He'd kicked straight back into father-knows-best mode, despite the fight with Darman; but that blind reflex had saved Ordo and his brothers, and it was impossible to condemn it. When it went right, it was salvation. [Order 66]
In which despite the ongoing emphasis seen in each book how clones were real men and therefore should have a choice and the backlash of not telling Darman about his child, Skirata falls back into father (he) knows the best mindset. What corresponds with Darman’s accusation that Skirata “always told me I was a man with the right to control my own life, but now he decides what's good for me and what isn't." [Order 66]. 
Kal did not learn anything from his own failure even though he encourages his sons to enjoy their (adult) life at every opportunity. The issue of making decision for others without asking about his family’s opinion first was also raised by Skirata himself in Imperial Commando: 501st:
"I'm not much of a father if I can't make my kids feel secure, am I?"
"You're a terrific father. It's just been a very traumatic time. Not even Ordo's immune to that."
"No, I'm not a good buir, because I make decisions for my aliit without asking their opinion," Skirata said. "Bard'ika, I owe you an apology. I made a decision for you. I shouldn't have."
"It can't have been that bad," Jusik said. "But tell me anyway."
What takes us back to Vau’s point of treating Darman - and by extension other clones - as a child or simpleton and his constant remarks about choice the commandos must make on their own. Kal definitely struggles with that and the lack of separation between sergeant and father for sure doesn’t help, for his former trainees will always easily fall back into the best known dynamic (military hierarchy). Through the story we could see Vau’s men not following his authority (Deltas in TC) and redefine their relationship with their former instructor (Atin). In contrast, Ordo often remarked he and Nulls wished to be seen by their father as adults and thus, allowed to make their own decisions yet he rarely confronted Kal about this matter, out of loyalty and the feeling of debt he owed the man for saving Nulls. The one, the most direct confrontation happened in True Colors, when Mereel’s scheme comes to life to break Ko Sai’s spirit. Ordo destroyed the supposedly only chip with kaminoan scientific data. According to Mereel, everything his brother said then was the truth.
"Ord'ika?"
    Skirata tried not to show his shock, but it wasn't working. His voice jammed in his throat and struggled to shake loose.
    Ordo stood forward of the hatch, looking out to sea in the growing dusk, and folded his arms. "I'm sorry, Kal'buir."
    What am I going to do? How the shab can I start over now? We had it, we had it all, we were so close.. .
    "Just-just tell me why, son." How could he do this to me? What did I do to tip him over the edge? "I know you're upset. I know you're worried about Fi."
    Mereel caught Skirata's arm. "Nothing you can do, Buir. Let's start again and shake everything out of Ko Sai."
    Skirata resisted Mereel's pull at his sleeve. "Give me a minute, son. You go warm her up for me. I need to talk to Ordo."
    Skirata knew there was no point in being angry with the lad: this was all his fault. It was so easy to see only the clever, courageous, loyal side of Ordo and his brothers, all their wonderful qualities, and forget how badly damaged they all were at their core. No amount of love could erase what had been done to them at a critical time in their development. All he could do was patch them up, and he was willing to do that until the day he died.
He stood beside Ordo and put his arm around him, not sure now if that would result in a flood of tears or a punch.
    "Son, you know how much I love you, don't you? Nothing will ever change that."
    "Yes, Buir."
    "I just need to know why you did that after all the trouble we went to in getting that data."
    Ordo's jaw muscles twitched. He didn't look Skirata in the eye like he usually did. "This is all about having a choice. That's what matters, isn't it? But even now, we're still under a Kaminoan's control because she's got information she won't give us. Well, I'd rather live fifty years on my own terms than a hundred on hers. And now she'll know it. The information she's withholding is worthless. I've taken her power away for good."
    "But I just wanted to give you a full life. You deserve that."
    "But we're men, Kal'buir, and I know you've given up everything for us, but you can't keep making decisions for us like we're kids."
    That hurt. The physical pain in Skirata's chest, like a heavy stone pressing down inside, got a little worse. "But what about your brothers, Ord'ika? What about all of the ad'ike who didn't get to choose?"
    "There'll be other ways around this." No point arguing. He'll feel bad enough about it when he comes to his senses. "Sure. We'll forget it for the while and concentrate on Fi, and Etain's baby, and then we'll have a re-think. Ko Sai isn't the only geneticist in the galaxy. Is she?" But even the Kaminoan ones need to get her back, and they're the best. It s over. I'll keep trying, but unless there's a miracle. . .
    The galaxy didn't do miracles. It only gave you what you took from it. Skirata was persistent to the point of wasted obsession, and maybe even beyond, but even he reached a point where he sank beneath the weight of a task. There'd been just too much bad news today. Perhaps tomorrow would be better. They still had a fortune to fall back on. Ordo turned around, looking like a scared little boy again for the first time in ages. There was nothing Skirata couldn't forgive him.
    "I've hurt you, Kal'buir, and I can't undo that. But I'll make it up to you, I swear."
    "You don't have to, son." I forgot they hadn't seen Ko Sai up close since she finished testing them and told them they were going to be put down. I stuck abused kids in front of their abuser and expected them to cope. What was I thinking? "You don't owe me a thing."
Kal reasecuring Ordo he loves him no matter what happened was a good start of the discussion. Yet the most outstanding part of the confrontation is how Ordo’s straightforward words didn’t make Skirata reflect on his personal flaw nor how his overprotectiveness (controlling habit) suffocated his son to the point of destroying the supposedly one and only chip needed by them (the story behind Ordo’s action is deeper than just reaching a breaking point but Kal did not know that at this point of the story). Instead, the truth hurt the old Mandalorian deeply almost in a physical way and the focus soon changed from Ordo’s need to be treated as an adult (making own choices) to how Kal’s feels and, well, stayed focused on Kal. Ordo’s point was pushed aside for the overwhelming guilt, even though for the first time he openly spoke about the problem. Of course, part of the blame is how the narrative (Kal’s POV) is egoistical by its nature - and to be honest, even in the aftermath scene of destroying the chip, the moment in which Kal comfort his son, Mandalorian’s thought run along the line “How could he do this to me?”, like he was the main victim of the situation. Which is why I find the shift of focus uncomfortable. There is no conclusion to the Null’s inner conflict between “dutiful son” and “wish to live his own life”, as Ordo falls back into prioritizing father (his savior!)’s emotions over personal mental health, while Skirata does not really bother to talk with Ordo or other Nulls to actually solve the slowly yet visible increasing matter of their independence. I think the closest attempt to give his boys some personal space and privacy was his wish to grant them their personal, legal, bank accounts in Order 66 but I’m not sure if the plan was realized in the end. 
Sadly, this seems like a recruiting theme, as another confrontation happened in Order 66 with a similar outcome. Which leads us back to Darman, whom Kal on purpose lied to. Skirata concealed the truth about Darman’s child (while the text keeps highlighting on every occasion how fatherhood is so important to Mandalorian men) and even made other characters cover up for the situation (especially Laseema and Bardan, two people befriended by all members of the Omega Squad). Of course, one may argue Kal did that to protect Darman but once again, his protectiveness took away the choice from his sons. A choice the Mandalorian himself defined as something that makes people free men (“But they’d have a choice, and that’s what makes us free men.”)
Darman’s reaction to the news about having a son was to cut off from Etain and Kal. It took him some time to finally face his sergeant/father about the months of lying to him in the face. When he and Kal finally met to talk, the first thing Skirata did was to say sorry and hug his son - something Darman noted was his usual way to sort out the problem but also that affection is not enough to fix it:
But Skirata walked through the 'fresher doors in his civilian rig-brown bantha-hide jacket and brown pants-which was slightly at odds with his heavy Mando boots. Vau stood behind him in his black beskar'gam with his helmet under one arm, Mird at his side.
"Dar'ika," Skirata said. "Come here, son."
And Darman did despite himself. He stood up and let Skirata throw his arms around him. Kal 'buir thought a manly hug sorted a lot of problems, and generally he was right. This time, though, it was going to take more than affection to fix things.
"I'm sorry," Skirata said. "I know you're upset."
Atin, Corr, and Niner leaned against the lockers, moral support for their brother. "Why didn't anyone tell me, Buir?" Darman asked. "Why did Etain lie to me? What did she think I'd do? Is she ashamed of me?"
"Shab, no, son." Skirata's face was anguished and exhausted. "She adores you. It was me-I stopped her telling you. She wanted to, right from when she knew she was pregnant, but I threatened I'd take the kid away from her if she didn't do as I said."
Darman didn't believe him. Skirata might have been a pitilessly hard man, no stranger to violence, but he was the kindest of fathers. He'd never have threatened Etain.
"Don't cover for her, Kal'buir."
"I'm not. It's true. Ask Ordo-he walked in on the row, and I'm not going to dress it up. I stopped her telling you, and that was wrong, whatever the circumstances."
Darman didn't like the feeling growing in his gut right then. Skirata had been the sole anchor in his childhood the only adult he trusted, his shield against the Kaminoans and everything that scared him. He wanted this not to be true. Etain-Etain was a Jedi, and as much as he loved her, she wasn't a foundation in his life like Skirata had been.
"You put my son in my arms," Darman said, "and didn't tell me who he was."
"I swear to you, son, ori'haat, we were going to tell you then. But you said that you weren't ready For babies. So we decided against it."
"We."
"All right, me. Leave Etain out of it. She's a kid like you, never had the chance of a normal life, and she did her best-because she needed something to love when she wasn't allowed to, ever. She loves you, and she loves Kad. I'm the one who should have known better."
Darman knew what was happening inside him now. He recognized it. So did Niner; he moved a little closer, as if he was going to take Darman's arm and tell him it was okay, and things would be better now.
Darman was angry and hurt. He knew he had to let that steam vent out carefully. "Why did you stop her the first time?"
"I thought it would distract you when you were fighting, and you'd get yourself killed," said Skirata. Vau was still silent. In a room full of soldiers, there was now really only Skirata and Darman. "And I didn't know if you could take it emotionally. A lot of men with more life experience than you run away when they find out they're going to be a dad."
"So am I a man, like anyone else, or am I always going to be a kid who needs everything done for him?"
"Look, I was wrong." Skirata looked rough now; his eyes glazed with unshed tears, and his voice was shaky. "You should have been told. You should have been there when Kad was born. I took that from you, and I'll never forgive myself."
Yeah, this wasn't about Etain. Somehow, for all the knowledge he lacked of normal family life, Darman knew-felt-that she was in as big a mess as him, but Skirata was the grown-up, the seasoned warrior, the father, the veteran sergeant, the one who should have taken the situation in hand.
"I want to see Kad," Darman said. "When we go off duty tonight, I want to see my son."
"And Etain?"
Darman thought. Yes, he could face her now. He nodded. But he wasn't satisfied. The floodgates had opened, and he couldn't close them. He had to know everything. "What's happening, Kal'buir? I mean-the rest of it? We know we don't get told everything, but you're always up to something, and you don't tell us. You said problem when I commed you."
Skirata looked at Vau, who shrugged and went to stand guard at the doors with Mird. Skirata held out his hand. "Come on. Buckets-show me all your helmets are offline."
Understandably, Darman did not believe Kal - the kindest father in his mind - to be capable of mistreating Etain the way he did. But at the end of their argument, Darman came to the opposite conclusion. That Etain was in the big mess like him all because of Skirata. In that moment of revelation, Darman felt betrayed and hurt but also angry for being treated like a hopeless child.   
Vau did not bother to make any excuse for Skirata, which makes sense as he did not agree with his decision to withhold such crucial information. I’m not ever sure why he came with the other Mandalorian, as he doesn’t act supportive for Kal, at least not the way Atin, Niner and Corr provided emotional support for their brother. Considering how in the upcoming paragraphs Vau will grow impatient by Skirata’s actics when Darman demands the truth about what Mandalorians and Nulls were doing so far, I think Walon was there more to make sure Kal won’t back away from sorting out the problem for good than anything else. As could be seen below:
Skirata was talking about something to thwart the Chancellor. It was the first explicit proof Darman had that he was running his own operation-not in parallel with the Republic's interests, or outside them, but against them. Darman loved and respected Kal'buir, but he was under no illusions about his methods. He'd been up to something dodgy for a long time; Fi's extraction, the base on Mandalore, Ko Sai, the bank job on Mygeeto with Vau that Delta didn't talk about-something major was happening. Skirata was well off the chart.
And so were the Nulls.
"Just tell us," Darman said. "We're big boys now. Put your credits where your mouth is, if you meant what you said to me a minute ago."
Skirata paced slowly around the fresher with his head lowered, staring at the gray tiled floor as if he was working up to saying something awful. Vau was getting impatient at the doors, doing that sigh and head shake that meant he was going to cut in and tell them if Skirata didn't. But Darman wanted to hear it from Kal'buir.
"For shab's sake tell them, Kal," Vau said.
Skirata let out a long breath. "Ad'ike, what I'm going to tell you must not, absolutely not, go beyond us. Do you understand? Not even if the Chancellor orders you to answer. Especially not then." He looked at Niner. "That means you, too. You're as straight as a die, son, but this isn't the time or the place for being Master Ethical."
So A'den had told Skirata about Niner's row with him over letting Sull desert and walk free. Niner drew his head back slightly as if he was hurt by the suggestion. "We're not going to like this, are we, Kal'buir?"
Skirata was all business again, eyes dry, as if they hadn't had the conversation about babies and lies at all. "This is a need-to-know job, not because I don't trust you, but because what you don't know usually can't drop you in it. Usually."
"We get it," Atin said. "Just tell us."
"It's not Jilka who's been mining the Treasury's data. It's Besany. And I got her to do it. We don't live in a world now where you get a lawyer and a trial-you end up committing suicide whether you want to or not, like that HNE hack."
It was a tough line to follow. But Niner, being Niner, tried.
"So you slot Jilka to save Besany."
"If you knew what Besany had found, Ner'ika, you'd understand. And it's not just about Besany."
"What the shab is it?" Darman snapped. "Come on, Kal'buir, spit it out."
Skirata dropped his voice almost to a whisper. "Palpatine's developing a new clone army. A big one."
People involved in the whole scene (not only in the quoted part) needed to constantly push Skirata to spill the truth. Not really surprising, as Kal already noted in a previous book about not liking sharing details of his plans. So we have Vau, Darman, Niner and Atin asking again and again to tell what the commandos should know.  
Skirata revealed to Omega Squad that Palpatine got another clone army but not raised on Kamino and for the first time openly admitted there is a safe escaping route for clone deserters. But with that knowledge comes a painful truth that Skirata ran his own operations in secret, against Republic’s best interest and by extension, the clone troopers.
"Son, I don't know the full details, and it's not for want of trying." Skirata fastened his jacket, looking as if the snatched discussion was coming to an abrupt end. "But the more I find out, the less I think this is going to end well for the likes of you and me. I-The Nulls, Vau, and me, we've been getting an escape route together, and a refuge for any man who wants to leave the GAR without a body bag. And we're getting close to finding out how to stop your accelerated aging. It's a whole new life, ad'ike, a long one like any other human's. Are you in? Will you come with me when I say it's time to run?"
There was another communal silence.
Drip ... drip ... drip. Another leaky faucet joined the first in a quietly insistent chorus.
"So it's true about Ko Sai," Niner said at last.
"We didn't kill her, son, but we've got her research."
Every being needed some certainty in their life. Darman knew that some needed more than others, and he didn't need as much as Atin seemed to, but one thing he did need was to know that Kal Skirata was the honest foundation stone of the clones' sense of identity. Right now, there was nothing solid left under Darman. He was adrift. He couldn't rely on Kal'buir to level with him. The unknown and invisible was worse than incoming fire you could see.
"You never told us," Darman said quietly. "Again, you decide what we get to know."
"Dar, leave it," said Corr. "Soldier's lot in life, that is."
"Kal'buir, you kept us in the dark. Like you kept me in the dark about Kad." Darman found himself looking down into Skirata's eyes, oblivious of everyone else. The pressure in his head, right behind his eyes, felt almost like a bad dose of flu that had hit him in just a few moments. He couldn't hold it much longer. "What else don't you tell us? How can I trust you?"
"Dar, I'm sorry." Skirata put his hands on Darman's arms as if to soothe him, but Darman pulled away. "That's why I'm telling you everything now."
"I said, what else?"
"I'm not holding anything back. At least I don't think I am-"You wouldn't even know if you were lying. It's all just one big lie."
Skirata's eyes changed. Something went out of them; light, life, whatever, but Darman had wounded him. "Son, I'm not exactly an Asrat holy man, I admit that. But whatever I did, however stupid it was, I did because I love you boys more than you'll ever know."
"Liar," said Darman. "Liar."
And he punched Kal 'buir in the face.
Skirata’s lies pushed Darman to the point he doesn’t trust his father. He accused the Mandalorian again for withholding crucial information and in result, taking away choice, the same as happened with little Kad. More importantly, Darman repeatedly called Kal the liar.
IInterestingly, at the beginning of the argument about Darman’s son, Kal said “we” by including Etain, maybe as a way to lessen the burden of guilt? But once Darman pushed the issue, Kal came back to taking the whole blame. Here, he started the sentence as talking solely about himself but switched to including Nulls and Vau (“I-The Nulls, Vau, and me[...]”). Similar thing happened when Mereel was upset that Kal told only Ordo about Etain’s pregnancy. Back then Kal also went with the routine “us”, including Ordo even though the Null didn’t have any real impact on the issue and did what Skirata decided was the best course of action. Which makes me wonder about this tendency to lesser his fault by spreading it into other characters even though he was the one staring the problem on his own. Even the safe place for clones on Mandalore was his idea and without him, Null would not operate against Republic’s best interest, and in result, against other clones dutifully serving it.
It’s hard to blame Darman for the uncontrolled violent fit, as the revelation about his father’s lies and plans happening behind commandos’ back were the breaking point. Vau kicked out others from the room (and himself left too), so Skirata and Darman resolved the problem between themselves, which on one hand makes sense. However, violence itself wasn’t a correct solution as it didn’t change Kal’s controlling tendencies nor didn’t make Darman feel better at the end of it. Similar like with Ordo in True Colors, the narrative soon switched from clone’s raw emotions to overwhelming feeling of guilt for hurting the father:
The shock of the impact traveled up Darman's arm into his shoulder in slow motion. He heard the yells to stop, felt someone grab his arm, but shook them off. Skirata fell against the tiled wall. He started yelling, too; "Leave him, leave him, get out and leave us-" But the feeling didn't stop for Darman, not even when the punch exploded in pain, the feeling that his lungs were going to burst if he didn't get rid of this hammering pulse in his throat. Darman hauled Skirata upright and hit him again. He heard the oof and felt the spit on his face, but Skirata didn't hit back.
"It's okay, son," Skirata gasped, scrambling to his feet, arms held away from his sides. All Darman could see was blood, nothing else. "It's okay. Let it out. I asked for it."
Darman wasn't aware of much else for the next few seconds-maybe minutes, he had no idea-except hitting and hitting and hitting Skirata anywhere he could reach. No focus, no aim; there wasn't even Skirata, not really. There was just this weird rage, half terror, and Darman wanted it out of him because he couldn't draw another breath with it still inside him. Vau was shouting at the others to get out and leave them to it.
Then all Darman could hear was rasping breath. It was his own. Skirata was panting, too. When Darman looked down at his hands, they were raw and bleeding, and his first thought was that he hadn't put his armored gauntlets on, and he was glad. He landed back in reality, shocked. "Kal'buir, I'm sorry, I'm sorry ..." Skirata leaned back against the wall, legs out in front of him. Darman could still only see the blood-not the face, just blood from the old sergeant's nose and mouth. Skirata wiped it with the back of his hand and smeared it everywhere. Darman was almost paralyzed with horror and regret; the smell of the blood made him feel unsteady. But he edged forward and lifted Skirata to his feet.
"Do you want to talk, son?" Skirata paused put one hand on the wall to steady himself, and spat into the nearest basin. He could hardly get the words out. "Or do you ... want to be alone for a while?"
"I'm sorry. Shab, I'm sorry, Buir-" "I'm sorry, too. It's okay. Come here." Skirata embraced him. He actually hugged him, although it felt as if he was also hanging on to him to stay upright. Darman felt he was now in a stranger's body, because he didn't know how he could ever have done such a thing to Kal'buir. He didn't know what had erupted from him. But it had gone away. And Skirata just held him as if he hadn't hurt him at all.
"Now, what do you need son?"
"I don't want to talk," Darman said. "But I don't want to be alone, either."
"It's going to be fine, don't you worry." Skirata spat more bloody saliva. Something hard pinged in the basin. "Everything's going to turn out okay."
And to be honest, Kal and Darman did not truly talk anymore about this moment, nor the issue of broken trust and lies that lead to this moment. Of course, it is understable that Darman felt sorry for what happened and that Kal chose to not fight back, as he didn’t want to hurt his son anymore. But for me the narrative again shifted from son’s [betrayed] feeling to how Kal suffered and the guilt did not leave commando for the rest of the story, while somehow it became irrelevant that Skirata was the reason everything went to hell in the first place. Because beating old Mandalorian down did not solve the problem, as Kal did not learn from his mistake. Again.
In True Colors, Ordo did not prioritize own feelings, did not try to establish a new, more comfortable dynamic between father and son. Instead he solely focused on Kal's pain even though he was the hurt party more than Skirata. In Order 66, Kal was held responsible for his own wrongdoing for a few paragraphs, but in the end, it was Darman that felt the most guilty for his violent fit, even though it was Kal’s lies and secret machination that pushed him into breaking point. 
All forgiven and not really spoken anymore. 
I’m not gonna say Kal turns the situation into presenting himself as the victim rather than the perpetrator on purpose, but it is concerning how the narrative went about this routine at least twice. His two different sons hit the breaking point and actually told him straight in the face how he doesn’t treat them as an adult and how his decisions affect their life, but it seems like the common conclusion is…somehow poor Kal suffers the most.
In that matter Atin and Darman are interesting parallel to each other. Trust of both at some point was broken by men who were their closest parental figures they had on Kamino and whose decisions lead to great suffering. Of course, with Atin, the physical abuse he experienced was never questioned by narrative. Whatever Vau said or felt, the characters and text itself hold him responsible for the beating, the scar and pushing his boys too far. It may not be exploited in great detail, as after Triple Zero this matter was sidelined for other plotlines. Yet despite how much Vau cared for his trainees (and I think no one should have any doubt of that seeing how far he has gone to ensure Kal’s dream comes true), narrative wise, it did not erase or change what Atin himself felt. The offering of forgiveness comes from Atin, on his - and only his terms and it took three years to happen. Sadly, we do not know much about what was happening between the men from True Colors to 501st, if they often interacted off-panel or actually sorted out the problem or why Atin changed mind at all. Of course physical abuse is easier to notice and condemn, so Vau’s cruel and harsh training does not let us dwell if this was abuse or not. Meanwhile Kal’s controlling tendencies lead to questionable decisions that hurt his sons and closest people around him yet often are presented by Skirata - and narrative - as good-intended, out of love. 
(Vau also claimed his harsh, outright abusive training comes from love for his boys but the hell is pavned with good intentions, isn’t it?)
Beside Kal’s tendencies to withhold crucial and/or private information leading to not allowing his sons (and Etain) make their own choices and dunno how to call this properly? In time of facing the consequence, turning people’s feelings to orbite and focus on his emotional pain, the other problem is how almost everyone in the main cast validates these repetitive, harmful behaviors. Obviously, Nulls will always put Kal above themselves, as he is their literal savior who one day showed up on Kamino and rescued them from death when they were just 2(4) years old and their modified genetic predisposition for loyalty solidified this mentality even more. For Omega commandos, Kal was their training sergeant and father in one, and the blurred line of authority, in my opinion, makes it harder to argue for themselves, as they lack the experiences and must rely on Skirata’s wisdom - at least until he broke Darman’s trust, but the guilt quickly put Darman back into “Kal is the best father”.
Then we have Jusik, who somehow lost his backbone once adopted as Kal’s son -  in the rare moment of Kal’s openly voiced self-critic about his controlling habits, instead of actually helping his father to find a balance between protectiveness and letting his kids to have a life they choose, Bardan supports the false belief that Kal does nothing wrong. 
Obviously, his treatment of Etain is the most prominent in the whole series as keeping on purpose someone wholly dependent on him - the pregnant Jedi needed Skirata’s help and would get it only under the terms set by old Mandalorian. And the terms included: him naming the child if Darman couldn’t (and the man couldn’t because he wasn’t told about having a child in the first place), him deciding when Darman should be told the truth, him sending Etain for self-exile on Quilira to hide her growing belly while under supervision from his “agents”, the Gurlans. 
Etain’s inner thoughts during her “exile” are in fact worrying. 
"You need to be careful," said a low, liquid voice. "Or we'll have your nasty little sergeant to answer to."
    Jinart brushed past Etain's legs. The Gurlanin shapeshifter was in her true form of a sleek black carnivore, but she could just as easily have transformed herself into the exact replica of Levet-or Etain.
    Nasty little sergeant. Sergeant Kal Skirata-short, ferocious, angry-had exiled her here for a few months. She'd fallen from grace with him. Now that she was several months' pregnant, she'd started to understand why. "I m being careful," Etain said.
    "He holds me responsible for your safety."
    "You're scared of him, aren't you?"
    "And so are you, girl."
    Etain draped her brown robes carefully to disguise the growing bulge of pregnancy and pulled another loose coat on top. Teklet was in the grip of winter, which was just as well: the excuse for voluminous clothes was welcome. But even without the top layer, she didn't look conspicuously pregnant. She just felt it, tired and lonely.
Etain’s first reaction to Jinart’s statement that she was scared of Skirata was to drape her robes to hide her pregnancy - a rather defensive gesture. There is no inner thought that Kal would never hurt her or take away the child as he promised to do if she did something against his will. It took months for Etain to think that Skirata sent her on this isolated planet for her safety, not as punishment for falling from his grace. The first things she associated with Skirata was “short, ferocious, angry”.
[...]
It's hard not to tell him. It's hard not to mention the baby when he asks how I am. His baby.
    But Skirata forbade her to tell him. She almost understood why.
    Jinart continued her progression of controlled leaps. She probably hunted that way, Etain thought, pouncing on small animals burrowed deep in the snow. "Skirata will be furious if you miscarry."
    Maybe not. He was angry enough when he found out I was pregnant. "I'm not going risk upsetting Kal. You know the politics of this."
    "I know he means what he says. He'll have a warship reduce Qiilura to molten slag if I cross him."
    Yes, he would. Etain believed him, too. Skirata would rip a hole in the galaxy if it improved the lot of the clone troops in his care. "Just under three months, and then I won't be your problem any longer."
Thinking that Kal would not be angry if she miscarried since he was furious when he learned she was pregnant? And then, I’m not going to risk upsetting Kal, instead of simply worrying about the child's safety as priority? Yeah, this is so wrong on so many accounts. 
Etain spent months feeling like Skirata was angry at her and him being actually nice to her was surprising. Even though Ordo already assured her Kal wasn’t angry at her. 
    "No . . . Bardan knew before I told Kal, actually. He sensed it." She let out a long sigh and clasped her hands on her belly as if it were much larger than it actually was. "Is he still angry with me?"
    "You'd know if he was [...]
and then:
And this was the first time she'd seen Skirata since their blazing row when she told him she'd let herself conceive without Darman knowing, and he'd exiled her to Qiilura. She felt stupid and selfish now, looking back on how she expected him to be the instantly doting grandfather, but one thing remained certain: the Force showed her she was right to have this child.
    She braced for either a frosty reception or a renewed rant on her shortcomings, one of which was being a Jedi. Skirata looked up.
    "Ad'ika!" he said, not a hint that they'd ever argued. "How are you, girl?"
    Oh. "I'm .. . okay, Kal, all things considered."
    "Look, I'm sorry Qiilura went to osik. I'd never have suggested it if I'd thought the vhette were going to put up a fight." He stood up and faced her with the awkward air of someone trying not to notice or comment on her bump, but it seemed to trigger some anxiety in him. Mereel still looked as if he was meditating. "Jusik's intercepted Delta. He can't steer them away from Tropix, not since our chatty Twi'lek buddy mentioned it to them, but he's giving them a very rambling and unspecific briefing on the geology of the islands." Ordo's comlink chirped, and he walked a few meters aft to sit on the cowling of the port drive to answer it. Mereel got to his feet and went to join him.
Etain and Kal’s relationship got better with time, but there is a visible uncertainty on her part - being again on Skirata’s good side wasn’t permanent and she could never know for sure for how long:
Etain drew her lightsaber out of her pocket and simply let Ko Sai see the hilt.
    "Come anywhere near me or my child," she said, "and you'll find out just how little I've embraced the peace and serenity they tried to teach me at the academy." Skirata winked at her. "Mandokarla ..." Mereel sat Etain down on a wide, deeply upholstered bench against the wall and shoved a few cushions behind her back. "He says you've got the right stuff."
    So she was back on Skirata's good side, for the time being anyway. [TC]
In the end Kal gave Etain permission to tell Darman the truth about having a child (something akin to one year after Venku’s birth). Yet up to the moment of seeing the newborn, Skirata actually planned to take the child away from Jedi. In the end, it was an emotional response to seeing little Venku in the arms of mother that changed his mind, no guilt for his prior action itself. 
One may argue that Etain was a “special case” as she was a Jedi and got pregnant without asking Darman if he would ever want to have a kid with her. But it does not change the fact that through the books we could see her emotionally unsure of her place in regard to Skirata, often in doubt if he was angry at her or not and actually being surprised when he acted as loving father toward her again. 
This uncertainty is not something she did feel around Vau. And she herself described Walon as a person who “always seemed utterly calm in the Force, even when he was shoving a vibroblade down someone’s gullet [O66].” The lack of any warning in the Force if she even irks him too much should be a concern yet Etain and Walon worked well despite their differences and Vau’s personal hate for Jedi. Even her shaky relationship with Ordo was easier to navigate. He may not like her in any special way but tried for Darman’s sake and the all eventual  “collisions” between them were usually discussed and sorted quite soon after the incidents.
But the emotional dependence wasn’t only seen with Etain. Ordo is especially the prominent example, as he got the most pages dedicated to his POV out of all Nulls.
In the previously mentioned scene between Etain and Ordo, the man himself admitted how Kal “just tries too hard to put the galaxy right” for them while he does not acknowledge that Nulls are now grown up men capable of facing the harsh world (“it isn't his job to do it now that we're grown men."). But when asked by Jedi if he ever told that straight up to Kal’s face, he denied it so Ordo’s wish to be treated as an adult was not voiced in the proper way. Not out of fear of his father (as Etain thought which speaks a lot about her own fear of Skirata) but because Ordo was “scared of not being worthy of him”. 
  "You'd know if he was. Kal'buir just tries too hard to put the galaxy right for us, but it can't be done, and it isn't his job to do it now that we're grown men."
 "Have you ever told him that?"
    "Not in those words, exactly."
    "So you're scared of him, too."
    "No. I'm scared of not being worthy of him."
    "No pressure, then ..."
    It was hard when someone devoted their entire life to your welfare, a mounting debt that never got paid. Ordo wanted to see Kal'buir get a decent night's sleep in a proper bed, and have his ankle fixed. He wanted him to find a nice woman to take care of him; in fact, he wanted all the things for his buir that the man wanted for his sons, more or less. "I'd better warn him we're coming when we drop out of hyperspace."
    "Why didn't you call him earlier?"
    "Because he would have told me to take you back to Coruscant, and I would never disobey him."
    "Even if he's wrong?"
    Ordo didn't always agree with Skirata, but that was a long way from him being wrong. "He needs me there."
This is just one example of many, in which Ordo idolizes Kal, as a father and savior, but lacks a certain emotional independence from the man. Because of that he goes with Skirata’s openly voiced decisions even if he personally does not agree with those. This is especially seen in Null’s modus operandi - he can’t disobey father because he is afraid to disappoint him. So to do things his way, Ordo avoids direct confrontation -  as long as he does not hear the proper decision (order) or is not asked a question to which he couldn’t lie to, he technically does not “break the rule”.  I find it problematic only partially due to Ordo circling around the task given by father instead of simply telling Skirata that he decided to do something differently than he was told. Alternatively, arguing that Skirata’s plan was too flawed and should not be followed through.
The other problem lies in the fact that Ordo and his brothers’ privacy is vulnerable and it is not even up to Kal’s good or ill intention. One wrong question, one ill timed remark, and Ordo may feel obliged to spill the beans. Like was noted in Triple Zero, when Ordo kept in secret Mereel’s return from Kamino, solely because he wanted to positively surprise his father.
    Ordo accepted it was a risk, but risks were relative. And Skirata hadn't expressed interest at his advanced ordnance skills, so he could still keep Mereel's return as a surprise.
    He was going to be pleased with Mereel's news on Ko Sai, too.
Normally, a person would keep that occurance a secret whether their father asked or not, but that would include a bit of non-harmful lying, something Ordo seems to not be comfortable with in regard to his father. This dependence of course is only partially due to strong emotional ties with Skirata. Mandalorian’s (emotionally) controlling issues could strengthen the problem, but its roots lie in how clones were raised and treated by Kaminoans way before any instructor showed up on Kamino. On that record, Sev’s anxiety may also be only partially the fault of Walon Vau, and be rooted in specific upbringing (additionally, data from Republic Commando game’s loading screen and Prima Guide book suggest that Sev may have psychological problems to begin with). 
Similar note how Nulls were dependent and tied to Skirata was done in True Colors (Besany’s POV):
Mereel shrugged. "That I took a big risk getting the information that led me to ask you for more information."
    "What's Kal's view on this?" She didn't even have to ask if Kal Skirata knew. The Nulls didn't seem to take a breath without asking him first. Their allegiance was to him, not the Republic; but while she could understand the power of his aggressive charisma, she wasn't sure if it was a good idea. "And what happens if I get caught?"
Even Jusik, who was on definitely better terms with Kal than Etain ever was, somehow lost his confidence after he officially became Skirata’s son.
As Kal noted himself, his family may be scared of his temper: 
"Interesting choice of mother figure." Skirata could hardly blame Gilamar for wanting to be the archetypal Mando buir to any child in need. He decided to worry about Scout later. "So has anyone else got a surprise for me?"
"Yes," said Jusik. "Djinn Altis. Etain was invited to join them with Kad and Dar if she felt like it."
Jusik blurted it out as if he wanted to rid himself of the knowledge. Skirata felt his chest sink under the weight of loss.
Etain could have survived Order 66, then.
Skirata was learning to stop himself running through endless what-ifs, because a different fork in the road had been taken. He couldn't change history, and he couldn't live with the pain of being reminded that things could have been different. He had to walk away and accept that was how things had turned out.
It was a massive effort. He usually failed.
"Bard'ika," he said, "if I ever make you feel you have to pick the right time to tell me things, I'm sorry. You should never have to tread on eggs with me, son."
He didn't mean it as a rebuke. He really did worry that his temper scared his family from telling him things.
"I just don't like opening wounds," Jusik said. "Altis said he'd like to meet you sometime."
"I'd like to meet him, too. Especially as Dar and Niner are keeping tabs on him." [IC: 501st]
Which really leaves Vau as the only one person willing and actually openly arguing with Skirata over crucial matters (Maze to some degree too, albeit he joined recently and it is not given he will stay with Skirata clan. Author’s notes for canceled Imperial Commando sequel hinted he would rather team up with Zey and have their own adventures in galaxy, far away from Skirata)
It makes sense that up to leaving Coruscant, neither Vau nor Skirata wanted to involve clone commandos into their scheme for their own and clones’ safety - or in case of Vau, to not let them cross between soldering and the criminal world (x)(x). But living on the planet Mandalore, this won’t be an acceptable excuse anymore. Nulls, Omega Squad and other troopers who came with Mandalorians or joined later, were promised a normal life, with full lifespan and freedom. Sooner than later they will want to live on their own terms, thus the military rank and built on it hierarchy shouldn’t matter and all former Mandalorian sergeants will need to accept said change. And by doing so, acknowledge the clones aren’t anymore the little boys they met a decade ago.
Here is the thing - Vau knew Nulls to some degree and most likely was told about them even more by Skirata but on Kamino he rather wasn’t privy to how the relationship between Kal and his boys truly looked. When he was looking at Skirata and Mereel during True Colors, he saw a father doting on his son and son loving deeply his father..
Vau was usually immune to Skirata’s polar extremes of emotion, but for a few seconds the old chakaar and his surrogate son simply looked at each other as if there was nothing that mattered in the galaxy, and Vau felt genuine envy.
It wasn’t Skirata he envied. It was Mereel, for having a father who doted on him so much he could do not wrong.
But now living in the same space, Vau can get a new perspective on the relationship between Kal and his sons, all the nuances of their informal hierarchy (Ordo the favorite son, Mereel the second prominent one, rest somehow in the background) or how said relationships affect the rest members of their clan. There should be no doubt that Skirata loved Nulls or Omegas or any other son that came along the way, but the text hinted on some questionable behavior of his that may stand out more than before. How Kal wants to be part of his men’s life but has trouble seeing them as actual adult people already caused serious troubles - and the case of Darman was not an isolated incident. His favoritism of Ordo affects not only Nulls and relationship between all members of the clan, but Ordo as person as well. Evan Kal’s approach to mental health of Nulls can be put into question, depending on the personal interpretation of provided texts from all books.
(Not to mention the possibility that some clones may come out as asexual or homosexual including clone/clone relationships or anything else standing out from the heterosexual normativity presented by the books. Kal Skirata and Mij Gilmar especially strike me as the straight men; Skirata deeply influenced trained by him clones in that regard, not to mention how the majority of characters suspiciously ended officially only in heterosexual marriages/relationship as far as we know. Vau stands out in that matter but more about that was presented in a different meta if anyone is interested).
  Vau asked once Skirata “How far is too far, Kal? Can you answer that?” In the Triple Zero the question was about the accepted line in training and how far they were willing to push their trainees to ensure their survival during war. However the question is also fitting the ongoing “conflict” in which Kal struggles to find the healthy balance between protectiveness of his boys and acceptance they no longer are terrified children who badly need him to tell them what to do.
It doesn't really matter if Vau was the more distant parental figure while Kal the comforting, openly emotional one because in the end both for years were part of a system that transformed little innocent boys into fully trained, hardened commandos. Vau’s abuse was more tangible and spoken about, but the books - especially Hard Contact and Triple Zero - mentioned Kal too threw verbal insults on his trainees, took part in live ammo exercises (and killed at least one commando by incident) and generally followed with what was expected from him. So at the end of the day, both are guilty of working for Jango Fett/Kaminoans and by doing so, supporting an abusive environment that treated clones as property first and foremost. I think it is right to assume Kal and Vau’s attempt to create a safe place for deserters from GAR is a form of seeking redemption, as both care deeply for their former trainees. 
However the big difference between Vau and Skirata is that text gives us strong ground to assume Walon in fact changed the way he interacts with clones, why Kal still struggles to separate himself from the authoritative parental figure. As he said himself, “A father's responsibility doesn't have an expiry date” [O66] yet Vau has also a solid point about not treating those men as children unable to deal with adult responsibilities and making correct choices. 
In Triple Zero, in Vau and Skirata’s first introduction - the first confrontation - Walon assured he has changed and so should Kal ("I've moved on," said Vau. "And it's time you did [...]”) which I think sums pretty much the difference. Because what we know about Vau from Kamino is different from how he now interacts with other people. There is no more violent act against Deltas for messing anything (as Sev worried) or Atin (minus their final fight in TZ, nota bene started by Atin himself) or any clone. Franky, beside all the operations against the widely understood “enemy”, Vau only once truly acted aggressively against his fellow companion, as was seen during confrontation with Kal about Order 66 / Jango’s revenge. We even heard him praising various characters through the story (for example: the whole team working on Coruscant, Etain, Mereel, Jaing) and when Scorch hit the breaking point, Walon apparently talked with him to ensure everything was okay - sadly off panel but since text does not mention it went horrible for Scorch, I think it is right to assume nothing worrying happened then. The point is, the text gave plenty of examples to assume that Walon in fact has changed, as he is not using any physical, emotional or verbal violence against his former trainees anymore and was even noted to “soften” during war (Scorch’s POV).
All of this of course does not magically undo the damage done to his boys and sadly, the book series does not really focus that deeply on Vau, Atin and Delta Squad’s relationship and their inner workings. We know more or less what Vau, Atin, Scorch and Sev were thinking about each other but we don’t see them interact directly that much. But at least there is a starting point to hope for the best. With Kal - and I’m saying it solely from my interpretation of his characters and source material - the matter is more worrying, as he time after time repeats the same mistake without learning from it. He takes charge of his sons’ life without actually asking for their opinion on the matter or forgets (ignore?) the power imbalance between them, in which especially Nulls struggle to oppose the decision made by their father (literal savior!). All because Skirata doesn’t like to lose control over plans/situations, thinks he knows the best and/or doesn’t think his sons will be emotionally ready to face the task or consequences of their decisions.  
So we come back to the main question of the analysis. How long will Walon tolerate Skirata’s bad habits before he will need to interfere and knock some sense in the man’s head about accepting clones’ choices? Because I do wonder about that a lot. 
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aq2003 · 1 year
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my skip opinions are all controversial and so correct but probably only to me. for instance i dont mind the symbiosis concept coming up only at the end because in universe i think there's a degree of crunchiness to how the gang only worries about brain slugs taking over people when they're making them do horrible things (as opposed to skip who's an outlier amongst his people) and they can't extend a worry abt autonomy towards norman bc skip HAS been such a meaningful addition to the crew + played a huge part in helping them retake their own lives. you regain your autonomy, helped by a being possessing your abusive boss. it's a bit selfish and messy and i think it fits well in the setting and would serve as a great point of discussion in the season 2 we know is going to happen. my second is that i haaaaaaaaaate norman/skip as a ship because i fundamentally, 1000% believe skip is aroace and i think the venom movies have just poisoned your minds
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lord-squiggletits · 1 year
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Getaway and the whole mutiny arc literally is one of the most disappointing things in all of phase 2 lmao and it’s not that I’m like “oooh Getaway should’ve been a perfect angel who was right and a better captain than Rodimus” it’s more that I would’ve liked to have him NOT immediately descend into cartoonish levels of pure evil and for him to have gotten to make a point about Rodimus/Megatron being shit captains besides the final confrontation between him and Rodimus. Like goddamn I understand now why there are so many Getaway fans/Megatron haters because I’m pretty sure if I didn’t come into this continuity as a Megatron simp I would hate him too
#like it's just... ugh i guess the early cancellation was part of it but like#(holding hands together)#getaway was literally right that it was unfair and ridiculous for the LL to accept an ex genocidal dictator as their captain without questio#he was right about rodimus being a shit captain#and instead of him getting to be 'asshole that has a point' as a sort of rival to rodimus#he basically just went insane immediately (literally insane)#and then what the story ended up being was like#getaway is just a delusional mentally ill asshole with no redeeming traits except his sad backstory#like ugh HE WAS PRETTY MUCH LITERALLY MADE MENTALLY ILL TOO#'getaway wants primus himself to come and tell him he's right' was literally a serious thing that happened#the characters more or less outright stated he had primus apotheosis (not like diagnosed but this is a narrative so we're meant to#take the implication as such)#and then getaway died one of the most brutal on screen deaths faced by anyone except maybe the people who died in grindcore#like it's just so fucking over the top how much getaway became a moustache twirling villain and was cast as pathetic in every possible way#and then got killed in the most horrible way possible#and then afterwards the mutiny isn't even spoken of besides 'oh i forgive you uwu'#JRO put fucking megatron in the final panel of the LL quantum copy as if the mutiny was completely solved#as if megatron was just one of the boys lmao#just leaves such a bad taste in my mouth when i think too hard about it#negativity#squiggposting
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vimbry · 1 year
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sometimes you look at your self-indulgent projects and know, that if it had notoriety there is a non-zero chance this would spawn THE worst fandom
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rotzaprachim · 1 year
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literally insane to look at the draft of my nina zenik hell fic i started... a year and a half ago and realise how much tony gilroy and diego luna and i have been swapping the extended-side-character-backstory writing blunt like. i was like hmm i think we should break this character’s canon backstory in order to refill it by exploring this one dissonance in accents to have them be born in a totally different place to canon in order to really get those matryroshka doll onion layers of immigration, diaspora, dispossession, the refugee experience and they were like yeah. i think we should break open this genocide metaphor to talk about the lived experience of being a genocide survivor. i think we should break canon to make canon. i think we should talk about who the fuck is making these weapons.  
#a hartz iz nisht kein meleks trone#what's interesting is that i think for gilroy the question that snagged at his mind that became a BIG writing thing is: who is making these#weapons?#whereas for me looking at the grishaverse with a stronger lens of gender and bodily control it was like: what do the reproductive policies#of the first army and the ice court and ravka and fjerda as a whole Look Like in the broader scheme of centuries of militarisation?#in either case the lil worldbuilding details that i think crack the whole thing open#a lot of what i pictured too for the fedyor and nina relationship meet the cassian and maarva and cassian and luthen relationships#many many ways i think i am interested in nuancing nina's story as a metaphor secondary world jewish narrative in a way i think andor is#profoundly interested in nuancing cassian's story as a mexican narrative i haven't seen??? so much discussion around#spywork cultural dislocation language immigration etc etc who are you how are you connected and not to those around you#interesting too that like... canon nina's story is so much closer to the implied ro cassian story before things got changed by andor#not in a Bad Way but you just can't have a character who'se canonically been in a military organisation since childhood and raised by it#without like... having some really serious ethical problems to unpack with That organisation#how much CHOICE did you ever have to be a part of it? how much? even if there are all these other compounding factors outside the#organisation itself
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[NEVERAFTER FINALE SPOILERS] I have kept up with neverafter since it first released and I’m SOOO sad to see it over but I loved it so much. I think it’s hilarious that emily committed to Ylfa x Pinocchio at the end since she’s been hinting at it from like the very start. It’s so funny to me. Good for them!!! Absolute shit charisma gf x absolutely insane charisma bf!!!
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gothlovingoth · 2 years
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not to swing a bat at a hornets nest but maybe the popularization of the gaslight gatekeep female manipulator unhinged crazy girlblogger who manipulates and pegs men because she hates men and is taking her sexuality into her own hands by playing guys and has no remorse has not been very #feminist and maybe hindered the metoo mouvement by giving many terminally online isolated people the impression that this manic pixie dream girl revenge wet dream is literally how mentally unstable women are and act
#I don’t mean mentally unstable as derogatory at all. it’s absolutely normal to be shaken when you’re fighting your abusive ex in court#and the entire world is judging you and rooting for him#this is about amber heard#it was WAY too easy to convince large groups on social media that a woman in distress must be literally crazy#and what a slap back to reality to see how people not only believed the psych who diagnosed her borderline and histronic in an hour#but used it as an argument agaisnt her. as if being mentally ill makes you abusive and takes away all your credibility#yall complain that mental illness is stigmatized and spread awareness but you’re only in it for the performance and it shows#its clear that you believe mental illness makes you an unhinged manic crazy person and you think thats sooo edgy and cool#you use it as an excuse to be a terrible person and calls everyone who has ever not enabled you a narcissistic abuser#its 2022 and people are a calling a domestic abuse victim the modern version of hysterical#and don’t say anyone manipulated you into this you are responsible for your own lack of critical thinking#no one on earth forced you to make memes about serious abuse allegations#there isn’t a single good reason to believe heard might not have been entirely truthful#it’s entirely about character assasination and projected parasocial relationships#and don’t tell me the taped call was ever a reason to not believe heard I’ve listened to that tape#it’s so fucking obvious depp is twisting words to construct a narrative#I don’t trust the armchair diagnosis but I also don’t care whether or not she suffers from mental illness its not my buisness#and it would not make her less credible or more likely to be abusive#which I can’t believe is a controversial opinion
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#tag drop#* … ( OOC : ramblings. )   ›   ❝ she has a mouth like unswept glass. it will CUT you when you least expect it. ❞#* … ( OOC : ooc answered. )   ›   ❝ you have the words to change a nation and yet? you’ve been BITING your tongue. ❞#* … ( OOC : about the mun. )   ›   ❝ she has kind of said too much. and you’ve said ENOUGH. promise that she is just another narcissist. ❞#* … ( OOC : original poetry. )   ›   ❝ prefers her work to be RECOGNISED rather than kept hidden away. either way? she wont go speechless. #* … ( OOC : self promo. )   ›   ❝ a little self-promo featured on the dash never really KILLED anyone. has it? ❞#* … ( OOC : promo. )   ›   ❝ the best people completely DESERVING of all of your love & attention on shining spotlights of their own. ❞#* … ( OOC : musings. )   ›   ❝ she is brave and STRONG and broken all at once. ❞#* … ( OOC : nsfw. )   ›   ❝ mascara runnin’ and lipstick smudged. wearing a red wine stained dress with a hint of the DEVIL in her eyes. ❞#* … ( OOC : desires. )   ›   ❝ took her hours just to do her makeup right. if you’re the reason it gets ruined she’ll be PISSED tonight. ❞#* … ( OOC : wanted plots. )   ›   ❝ wish I never hung up the phone like I did. WISH you knew that I’d never forget you as long as I live. ❞#* … ( OOC : wishlist. )   ›   ❝ let a shooting star run across a MIDNIGHT sky. throw a coin into a wishing well. make a wish now. ❞#* … ( OOC : ask meme. )   ›   ❝ she hates playing MIND games but continues pushing and pulling. loving you is a losing game. ❞#* … ( OOC : about blog. )   ›   ❝ doesn’t start with once upon a time. you know what she’ll introducd the LEGACY with? always and forever.#* … ( OOC : plotting starter call. )   ›   ❝ handle it? are you kidding? she’s the master of SKILLFULLY planning the next tactical moves. ❞#* … ( OOC : statistics. ) ⠀ › ⠀ ❝ you and me got a whole lot of history. so does it ever drive you CRAZY just how fast the night changes? ❞#* … ( OOC : templates. )   ›   ❝ your lack of proper organisation causes her serious DISTRESS beyond what you could possibly fathom. ❞#* … ( OOC : credits. )   ›   ❝ the ABSOLUTE best lifesaving content creators. ❞#* … ( OOC : all headcanons. )   ›   ❝ fact is deleted scenes should’ve made canon. would take over CONTROL of her original narrative. ❞#* … ( OOC : all replies. )   ›   ❝ written in these walls are STORIES I can’t explain. leave my heart open but it stays here empty. ❞#* … ( OOC : all answered. )   ›   ❝ watch out for a furious writer with a vocabulary of sharpened CONVICTION and quills in her arsenal. ❞#* … ( OOC : all edits. )   ›   ❝ nobody remembers the easy. they REMEMBER the blood sweat and tears shed on the journey. ❞#* … ( OOC : reblogged. )   ›   ❝ don’t play the person. play to rig the game of the unfair system. and BREAK through the walls of it. ❞#* … ( OOC : reshared. )   ›   ❝ she’ll intend to keep these polaroids with her CAPTIONED signature to remember for when she’s grey. ❞#* … ( OOC : psa. )   ›   ❝ thank you next. in ADVANCE? you’re welcome. ❞#* … ( OOC : verses. )   ›   ❝ mayhaps in another world things would’ve been DIFFERENT. and I could’ve made you stay. ❞#* … ( OOC : verse drop. )   ›   ❝ she wants to be your midnights. are we out of the woods yet? tell me where do broken hearts go. ❞#* … ( OOC : queue. )   ›   ❝ just called to say this is the LAST you’ll be hearing from me. ‘cause now i’ve moved on. ❞
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shopcat · 2 months
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obviously zuko and sokka are tied for first place in my heart but i have actually always been more of a sokka lover since i was a kid and i suppose i relate to them both the most and such. zuko is my little guy and sokka is my little guy who i don't have to worry about bc he can take care of himself. but the thing about Favourite Characters is it's impossible bc i love them ALL... zuko sun sokka-katara moon aang-suki-toph-azula-yue rising
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moontropy · 2 months
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journal or wtv idk
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if you’re a writer, don’t let booktokers convince you that a phrase like “Her expression darkened” is nonsensical just because they don’t understand how written language works
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borrowmyshovel · 2 months
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So. A transmasc child is dead. Assaulted by their classmates, left to die by school staff, misgendered and deadnamed by the press. And it's about fucking time we have a serious talk about the way we discuss transmasc victimisation - or rather, the way we don't.
The dynamic is especially evident in the way we talk about terfs, and exemplified by the dichotomy: "terfs recruit trans men, but they want trans women dead". This does three separate things:
It minimises the harm terfs do to the transmascs they recruit. Terfs don't just want transmascs to join them; they want transmascs to live as women. Coerced detransition kills. Suicide rates are extremely high among transmascs, and lack of support raises them further. To want trans men to detransition is to want them dead.
It positions trans men as a threat to trans women. As, essentially, terfs waiting to reveal themselves. What should be seen as a common enemy instead becomes a new vector for division. This fear is such that a common retort against transmascs who are seen as misbehaving is "you're gonna become a terf". Trans men are scrutinised for signs of this inevitable transformation, inundated with prophecies of their induction into the cult that wants to drag them back into the worst period of their lives.
It boosts the narrative terfs want to spread about themselves. Terfs love to say they are a safe space for transmascs. It helps them sound less hateful, and it helps them recruit. In reality, terfs are extremely hateful against transmascs they see as too far gone to be targets for recruitment. They see rape and hate crimes as just desserts, they wish death on transmascs who disagree with them, they talk about trans men on hrt as roided up monsters. And yet all of that has seemingly gone under the radar, because we're just not willing to acknowledge it happens.
More broadly, transmasc victimisation is seen as a joke. There was a hilarious post going around a while back about transmascs in abusive relationships with cis men who won't let them transition - the joke being on the transmasc in that situation. Multiple posts about specifically nonbinary transmascs, characterising their fears of transphobic violence as the oppression fantasies of privileged women, their experiences of dysphoria as laughably immaterial. No negative experience is serious enough once it's stacked up against murder, and trasnmascs who have been murdered aren't exactly in position to use that fact as a gotcha, are they?
There is a broad resistance to understanding transmascs as the victims of any situation. Part of it is a sort of trans-inclusive sexism: we don't think of cis men as victims, so we can't think of trans men as victims either. But they are.
Another is plain transphobia: dismissing trans people's experiences as not that bad, irrelevant to their trans status, or entirely fabricated is old hat at this point.
A third is a kind of... weaponised transfem advocacy? Any discussion of transmasc experience can be derailed by claiming transfems are somehow being harmed by it, and any harm that befalls a transmasc person can be dismissed by conjuring a hypothetical transfem who would have had it worse. And it sure seems like great allyship at the moment, despite the fact that it doesn't actually help transfems at all.
We often urge transmascs to be the protectors of transfems. Trans solidarity is crucial. But unless we are able to also conceptualise transmascs as needing protection, our solidarity will remain incomplete. And transmascs will continue to die, and be buried twice, both outside the trans community and inside it.
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astonmartinii · 9 months
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into the arms of another part two | max verstappen social media au
pairing: max verstappen x reader
part two to this !! part three
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yourusername: winner winner chicken dinner !! congrats maxy i’m so proud of you always
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user1: i know charles’ head is hot right now
user2: i hope netflix are taking notes cause this tea is steaming hot
maxverstappen1: thank you baby, helps when i have the prettiest cheerleader in the world
yourusername: i am the sexiest sargent in all of the orange army
maxverstappen1: too right you are
user3: i miss when y/n was the head of the tifosi the red monochromatic fits ate so hard
user4: i need charles to pull his head out of his ass and apologise so we can reclaim her before monza
user5: do not even bring up the fact we may not have custody of her for monza
danielricciardo: leave some for the rest of us maxy
yourusername: no actually i think it’s illegal for max not to win sorry
danielricciardo: will that change if charlie apologises?
yourusername: considering that hasn’t happened and doesn’t look to be happening any time soon - no.
user6: CHARLES PLEASE DO SOMETHING
user7: he doesn’t have to do anything, she’s just bitter cause she’s always been the bridesmaid and never the bride. we ALL know she’s always loved charles and she can’t handle that she’s not the centre of his attention it’s kinda pathetic
maxverstappen1: what made you think you know any of us enough to comment something like this? what told you that you even had a right to talk about y/n like that? she’s everything you could ever wish to be and more and she will never ever deserve the things you people are saying about her. charles would be lucky to have y/n in his life platonically or romantically but it’s his loss
user8: boyf of the year right here
user9: charles take note ^^^ this is how you’re meant to defend your best friend
landonorris: i am once again asking for photo credits i’m not gonna be your personal photographer for free
maxverstappen1: i literally paid for your dinner
yourusername: you’re literally a millionaire
landonorris: i don’t care a man still likes to be wined and dined
yourusername: just to make it clear we are not looking for a third
user10: i promise i can change your mind give me a chance
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f1tea: charles leclerc caught liking this tweet about the situation between him and y/n. seems like he won’t back down on this. what do you think?
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user13: i need this mans head on a spike i’m so serious
user14: i want to play pinball with the single marble in his head
user15: i think ferrari have genuinely caused real head rot in him cause no way he thinks this is a serve
user16: let's be real charles' biggest rivals are ferrari and himself
user17: not this man at his BIG AGE is liking shady tweets about his best friend
user18: i think it's safe to say they're not best friends any more
user19: also "biggest rival" my ass max and charles are fucking friends now so this whole narrative is complete horse shit
user20: i'm so bored of charles playing the victim bro YOU ARE THE INSTIGATOR YOU ARE THE PROBLEM
user21: the way charles is liking shit like this but max is writing whole ass essays in the comments defending her
user22: and that''s why i'll always back that she ended up with the right man
user23: max is so far in the lead in the championship i need him to take charles out for the narrative
user24: are we in high school? like seriously this is so fucking petty i cannot wait for media day this weekend
user25: he's either gonna be the funniest man in the world or he's gonna bite someones fucking head off
user26: and i'll back it either way
user27: i know y/n is about to have her revenge dress moment in the paddock someone get kym illman ready STAT.
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f1wagsupdates: REVENGE DRESS MOMENT !!! y/n y/ln enters the paddock in monza in this stunning black dress, showing the world what a catch she is, oh and that is max holding the umbrella for her, what a gentleman.
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user28: mother came to slay i cannot even
user29: this right after max came for charles in the press conference is PERFECTION + NO RED IN MONZA !!
user30: i see lily and carmen in the likes in knew they'd be on the right side
user31: girl i don't think anyone is on charles' side
user32: yall see the stink eye from the red bull garage when charles walked past they have y/n's back LOL
user33: the red bull garage been ride or dies for max so it defo makes sense that they would extend that to y/n
user34: christian was defo waiting for a question about it in the press conference
user35: someone on twitter got a clip of him putting his arm around fred going out of the paddock and telling him to get his driver under control
user36: yall are we on the kardashians what the fuck is going on
user37: people may hate christian but he defends his driver so much that he's inserting himself in the relationship drama
user38: i don't even follow f1 but whoever this is this serving oh my
user39: this is so exhausting like i need charles to just apologise so we can get cute y/n x max x charles content
user40: torturing myself thinking about how cute that dynamic could be
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f1: max verstappen clinches his tenth win of the season at monza, joined by sergio perez and oscar piastri. home heroes charles leclerc and carlos sainz came together at turn one, awful showing for ferrari in monza
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user41: this narrative is so so poetic
user42: i feel bad for the tifosi at this point y'all get your hopes up every season
user43: charles you aimed the wrong way if you wanted to take max out
user44: the way max kissed y/n after winning god they're so cute
user45: also the way christian got everyone to move so y/n could get to the front to see max
user46: even marko looked happy about it what is going on?
user47: y'all we knew it was gonna be bad for ferrari y/n wasn't wearing red, call me superstitious but every time she's worn red charles has either won or been on the podium
user48: well that's just what he gets for not appreciating her
user49: as fernando would say KARMA
user50: someone check charles' blood pressure please
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maxverstappen1: winning on and off the track, some of you can't relate.
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user51: parents omg
danielricciardo: fighting words maxy, not pulling your punches
maxverstappen1: i do my fighting on the track, not my fault people can't get past turn one to give me a real battle
danielricciardo: i need to be inside your brain
maxverstappen1: no there's images of y/n in my brain that no other man will ever see
danielricciardo: you crack me up maxy
yourusername: woah who's that fine ass piece of woman
maxverstappen1: she's taken sorry
yourusername: that's a shame, i hope that man is taking care of her
maxverstappen1: i don't believe she's got any complaints
yourusername: wow you sound like a gentleman, she's a lucky woman
maxverstappen1: believe me i am the lucky one.
yourusername: awwww maxy you're literally the sweetest person in the world
user52: if i was charles and i saw this after that race you'd have to restrain me i'm so serious
user53: i'm happy for y/n and max but i need them to stop being happy in my face
alexalbon: ur welcome for that first picture btw
yourusername: lily taught you well
alexalbon: so no thanks?
yourusername: i joke thank you very much sir albon
user54: so like all of the twitch quartet are on y/n's side? awkward.
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yourusername: charles and i have been best friends since i knew what the word meant and it really hurts that is has gotten to this point. when charles got his first girlfriend i chalked it up to the excitement of the experience, but when he routinely got in and out of relationships and falling back on our friendship once scorned, i started to question what he really felt about our friendship. i overlooked it every time even when it made me doubt my worth and hoped our friendship meant more. however, the cycle continued and after being left stranded at a beach in a country i do not know i decided it was the end. i have reached out to you so, so many times and want nothing more than our friendship to work and so we can be life-long friends that we can tell our kids about. but i guess it's not worth that much to you and that's something i'll have to reconcile with. the only positive coming from this the fact that it pushed me to the love of my life, so thank you for that.
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charles_leclerc: i've already got my trophy, sorry not sorry.
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user56: WHAT THE FUCK
user57: my brain is actually scrambled
user58: charles' must be as well cause no way he thought this was a good idea
landonorris: so this is a low blow
charles_leclerc: since when were you the reference point for morals
landonorris: damn dude, you're in the wrong but go off i guess
user59: why do i actually want to cry for y/n right now? she did this whole ass heartfelt post with no comments so people wouldn't be able to speculate and he replies with a pic of his gf's ASS
danielricciardo: not cool dude
charles_leclerc: i see you all took her side and our friendships mean fuck all
danielricciardo: kinda ironic you bring up respecting friendships
charles_leclerc: spare me the lecture
maxverstappen1: you're a child. but this is the closure she needs. cheers to being an asshole.
charles_leclerc: so you managed to get some of my sloppy seconds, you're welcome
maxverstappen1: she's not sloppy seconds and i can't believe you'd refer to her as that. but if you wanna talk sloppy seconds you can hold the 100 point gap between us in the championship. and y/n will never say this so i'll say it for her GO FUCK YOURSELF
user60: SHOTS FIRED
user61: men are so confusing
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f1wagsupdates: charles leclerc spotted outside y/n y/ln's office with flowers this afternoon. idk at this point, any time i report on this man i lose more brain cells.
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user67: lol even wag page admins are done
f1wagsupdates: he gives me a lot of content but damn he needs to sort his head out
user68: lol this is gonna be an all time apology tour i can't wait
user69: i honestly don't want y/n to forgive him he doesn't deserve it.
user70: yeah max has proven ride or die for y/n so i know who she should stick with
user71: i need him to donate his brain to science cause in what world is a measly bouquet of flowers gonna cover all of this shit ?
user72: legit he's systematically ditched his best friend, let randomers on the internet drage her name through the mud and then liked it and then flaunted the fact that he didn't care about their friendship for everyone to see
maxverstappen1: lol nice try
user73: my petty king i love him so much
user74: i know y/n is taking a break from social media but i hope she knows how much love she's getting
user75: for real we're all on her side i hope she slammed that door in charles' face
user76: i hope that bouquet ended up in the bin
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note: i know this was heavily requested so here it is!! i really like it and it's defo open for a third part if yall want charles and y/n to reconcile? thank you for reading xx
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