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tsams-confessions · 2 months

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Not so short confession about Eclipse and the entire TSAMS lore: Eclipse was only the bad guy because everyone treated him like one.

Hate me all you want, but was prooven with KC, Solar, old Moon, Lunar (who is technically all that was good inside Eclipse) Ruin, heck, even with Sun that with a TINY BIT of love and care, anyone can change for the better. Solar needed his Sun to care about him in the start, and he never became a bad guy, even after his Sun died. KC needed, what? A 10 MINUTES LONG FRIENDLY CONVO with Glamrock Freddy, and after that he overcame his base coding. Old Moon sacrifised himself to not kill anymore person, giving KC and himself a chance in life to be better. Ruin was saved because new Moon and Sun risked their lifes and only way back to their home to get the cure for Ruin, even though Ruin brought Bloodmoon back, blew up the daycare and tormented them worse than Eclipse. Sun didn't go insane and potentially more suicidal because Earth showed up (I don't think he would've survived the guilt of loosing Moon without her). And Lunar... Eclipse got rid of his part that cared and wanted to be more than a villain, the part of him that longed for love and understanding... and to be fair I would be mad too if I was doomed to be a villain, and then the people who wronged me accepted my scrapped loving part without hesitation (which I scrapped because I hated I cared about said people) while I never got a chance to show I can be better. This doesn't justify what Eclipse did, because he still killed Lunar. Imma say it louder so everyone will understand: THIS DOESN'T JUSTIFY WHAT ECLIPSE DID TO LUNAR, BECAUSE IT WAS HORRIBLE AND WRONG IN SO MANY LEVELS!!!

But who didn't hurt/traumatize/killed their loved ones here? Old Moon was hardcore abusive with Sun and started this whole Eclipse problem (Moon cared still, but that doesn't excuse what he did to Sun), Sun killed Bloodmoon and hate to say it but he killed old Moon too without wanting to, KC, who was literally redeemed and forgiven killed probably hundreds of innocent people. Sun even gave Bloodmoon one last chance to be redeemed, but Eclipse? This mf died while trying to warn the only people he still somehow cared for, no matter how scrapped he was. He was begging to be heard out, not giving a flying fuck if Sun hurts him (and sidenote, even when Moon threatened to kill Eclipse, he accepted it, just wanted to be heard out, while Solar, when his Moon was truthfully wanting to kill him, he killed his Moon. Eclipse didn't even bother). He could've use the star to stop Sun, and he didn't.

And that's what I love in the lore of TSAMS, because this doesn't seem unintentional. Every now and then it's shown and prooven that with a tiny bit of understanding and love, ANYONE can change. All of the main characters (except for Earth and Lunar) did horrible things beforehand, and the only reason they stayed sane and didn't go down on a bad path on the long run because they had love and support by their side. Eclipse died TWICE, and even though it was confirmed by a celestial being who WATCHES THE ENTIRE COSMOS that this Eclipse is not the one who killed Lunar, he still payes the prize of V1 and 2 Eclipse's actions. And honestly... I don't understand new Moon and Solar, the two genius of the current lore: what do you expect from this copy of an Eclipse? He is a literally badly put togther scrapped dude who lives with horrying memories and has no idea why he lives. JUST MAYBEEE, if you'd give him a system repair, he would be less violent and more capable of helping you? Maybe? Oh yeah right I forgot that there is one universal rule throughout all dimensions: we hate and overvillainize our og Eclipse, because anyone deserves a chance in life, expect him.

And again, I'm not trying to protect Eclipse from hate or justify what he did, because he indeed became a villain. But what about everyone else? How come everyone else's action were forgiven and got a chance to be redeemed but not him? I'm not saying everyone should forgive him, heck Lunar has all right to never forgive him! But this Eclipse didn't do the actions he gets the blame for, and he would deserve to finally have more than just hate poured onto him. They don't have to forgive Eclipse, but if KC got a chance and Sun was WILLINGLY wanting to give a chance to Bloodmoon too, Eclipse has all right to get his redemption, because with Solar, it was prooven all an Eclipse needs is love and understanding.

#sun and moon show #the sun and moon show #tsams #sams #tsams confession #< block this if you dont want to see these #mod 1blood

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socksandbuttons · 2 months

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Ok, so, I know its been a minute since this was brought up in an episode (or i really am just bad with remembering time frames), but remember when Moon said something along the lines of If Ruin is evil, that means Solar is the only Eclipse worth keeping alive?

Well, I was just looking back at some of your old art and remembered SWAP ECLIPSE. You know, Eclipse that takes the place of Moon???

Is THAT one not worth keeping alive? I understand old Moon sucked and that 'Old Eclipse' would suck too, but wouldn't this mean that Eclipse would also get reset if they are literally living through the same thing as our dimension Moon?

Or did Moon just forget about that one???

(Not really relevant to the rant but I also wanted to say I love your art-)

I mean in Moon's perspective. Solar IS worth it cause like he's known him longer and all. Even Old Moon sent Lunar to Solars dimension because like thats a NIce Eclipse he chillin. But like... YEAH HE MIGHT'VE FORGOTTEN THAT UNIVERSE TBH but also maybe he meant like... whats CURRENTLY in his universe too. Since Ruin IS an eclipse technically.

So- i did go thru that episode recently to see somethings. But yeah Swap Eclipse is RESET too. However since I was working on this au with the assumption he wasn't- We'll see if I go with that or not.

#totally wasnt getting a list and then figuring out whod be what BUT ANYWAY sassy daycare attendant eclipse #he can sense the insults #sun and moon show #swap sams au #I...do i have a tag for that actually??#idk but eh #myart

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theallianceofcelestials · 3 months

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This is a post that is probably not gonna be well recieved, but oh well lol. Gotta let these things out too.

I miss Moon, and I meant the Old one. He was a funky character, even if he had many faults. The fact that his final wish came true, a version of him that would treat Sun better, in the form of New Moon, makes it a little bittersweet.

I'm ultimately happy Old Moon can rest, and that New Moon got the chance to live, because he's a sweety who deserves good things, and does not deserve the stress he is placed under thanks to certain forces.

But alas, this is time to go down memory lane, cuz I've been seeing people hate on Old Moon, and while yeah sure he did terrible things, he was ultimately not the monster New Moon and some fans make him out to be.

Because whenever I see someone say Old Moon was never a good brother, I sometimes begin to think if we've watched the same show or not. Yeah, he was more times a questionable brother than not, but he did have his fair share of sweet moments, even if the circumstances, which lead to his bitterness, hatred and depression, rarely let such softness shine through.

Remember how in the first SCP video, which was in VRCHAT, when Sun ran through the Tesla gate, Moon immediately went "Good job brother"? Or when later in the same video, after looking at SCP-096 or 'Shy guy', when it starts going into it's murderous rage, Sun's panicking, and Moon says: "Brother, brother! I'm okay! It's okay! Brother, I'm here!"?

Remember when Eclipse first appeared, in the "Sun and Moon TRANSFORM into ECLIPSE in VRCHAT", Sun quietly asked if he was going to die, and Moon immediately went: "No, no! Out of anything, I won't let that happen!"? He offered to go back, to be back to square one in the same body, which we know is basically his worst trauma, because he didn't want his brother to die. His brother being alive, was more important to him, than his own freedom.

Remember when in the Wither Storm Saga 3rd episode, when Moon's in a panic about the bomb not killing the Wither Storm, Sun calms him down, and brings up how the book can be used for something else probably, and how that leads to Moon figuring the solution out WITH Sun, both leading one another? Remember how Moon said to Sun: "You tiny little genius!"? How sweet he sounded while doing it?

Remember when in the lore video directly after the Wither Storm Saga, how Moon said if he ever gets into an episode like Beta-10 again, that Sun get someone else immediately, because he doesn't want to hurt Sun?

Remember when in the video "Eclipse TRAPPED Sun and Moon in The BACKROOMS! in VRCHAT" the light suddenly went out, and Sun went into a panic, the way Moon gently guides his brother towards the light? Calmly and softly saying "Over there, over there"?

Remember when in the video "The DEATH of SUN and MOON in VRCHAT", how Moon just quietly says "I don't wanna lose you"? Or when he cuts off an anxious and unsure Sun, to say "I love you too brother"? When he says to Eclipse in front of Sun, "You are gonna take away the only thing, the only person I care about"? When he says that Lunar isn't fighting him for control, because he knows the moment Sun is gone, Moon will just give up? His quiet admitance that he did not want Sun to think less of him? How when he promises Sun, that he will get him back, they are holding hands? Something that Moon hates, and he will freely do for his brother, because his brother is more important than his own discomfort. Because even if he did mistakes, he loves Sun more than anything.

Was he perfect? No. No he wasn't. He did terrible things, for no reason at all at times. But he wasn't just a monster. He was a person placed in a terrible situation, with a code in his head telling him to do horrible things, and before KC, we did not know it was possible to go against one's nature, one's coding, one's very own being, and yet, Moon fought his killcode. He fought what was essentialy a loosing battle, and came out battered and bruised, with victories that were only temporary. But he still did it, because there was a person (later persons), who wanted him around. And because of that he made damn sure to fight his nature everytime.

Could he have been better? Yes.

Did he treat Sun terribly? At times yes!

Were some of his actions truly horrible? They were.

But was he a heartless monster, who cared for no one? No. No, he wasn't.

He was a person, trying to live, with everything stacked against him and his brother from the very begining. And he immensely fucked up. No question about that.

But he did care

(Sorry about the long, depressive post lol. Got into a mood, and wanted to get the depression off my chest for a bit. But yeah, I love this guy. He was funky. The New Moon is funky. Sun is funky. Lunar is funky. KC is funky. Eclipse is funky. Ruin is funky. Bloodmoon is funky. New Bloodmoon (I call that one Harvest(moon), and yes, I differentiate between them, cuz they be different. sue me) is funky. Earth is funky. Solar is funky. Solar Flare is funky. Everyone is funky. And I love them all.)

#sun and moon show #tsams #the sun and moon show #sams #sams moon #tsams moon #MemoryTimeswithSunray #MemoryMonday #sorry I fell off the memory cliff #it'll happen again <3 #btw that “Everyone is funky.” part doesn't include the Creator #screw him #moon beloved #“MemoryMoonday” lol #this is just what i can remember off the top of my head

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ikamigami · 1 month

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The more I think about it the more I see that Eclipse truly cares about Sun a lot...

Cause I realized that many things that Eclipse said to Old Moon seemed as if he was standing up on Sun's behalf cause Sun was unable to. And also I think that Eclipse tried to show Sun that he can get angry and has those "bad" desires because he wanted Sun to realize that he ain't that weak. And Eclipse often said to Sun that he always listens to Moon and he seemed to want to know Sun's opinion because he wants Sun to stand up for himself, to not be scared of Moon.

I've seen people saying that Eclipse was jealous of Sun.. but I think that it's only a fraction of to why Eclipse "hates" Sun. I think that Eclipse doesn't hate Sun. He just hates that Sun was always so kind and forgiving to Old Moon despite the abuse. And let's not forget that Eclipse not only was stuck in Sun's head unable to do anything but he also had to watch how Old Moon was abusing Sun and he couldn't stop it. I get it that he wanted revenge for being abandoned but Eclipse was definitely traumatised by witnessing the abuse first hand.. like he had first seats to this awful show.. and he was unable to stop it for months. He could only watch.

That's why I think that Eclipse didn't want to take Old Moon's offer of a body.. because he was terrified of Old Moon. He most definitely thought that Old Moon would abuse him as well.

Also I think that Eclipse cares for Sun also because he's part Moon and we know that Moon cared about Sun. And also I think that Eclipse despite thinking that Sun's kindness and forgivness is equal to being weak he wanted that. He wanted to experience that. He wanted Sun's kindness. That's why I think that he built Lunar to be more like Sun. And that's why it hurt him so much when Lunar betrayed him. Because Sun wouldn't. Because Sun still cared about Old Moon despite everything. Sun never left Old Moon.

Also what if Eclipse wanted to show Sun that maybe Old Moon didn't care that much.. I mean that he wanted to show Sun that he shouldn't let Old Moon abuse him.. cause Eclipse told Sun that Old Moon isn't Sun's brother anymore when he pretended to be computer or he told Sun that Old Moon wouldn't care if Eclipse killed Sun..

We could see that Eclipse was shocked by Sun's reactions in both situations.. which I think only shows us that Eclipse doesn't understand what is going on in Sun's head..

He desparately tries to help Sun but unintentionally he makes things worse.. which is truly tragic..

And what if I told you that maybe Sun's death that Eclipse foresaw won't be Moon's fault? Because what if Eclipse said that it'll be Moon's fault because he thinks that when Sun suffers it definitely have to be Moon's fault cause it was always like that? Because Moon was "always worse"..

I think that Sun won't die because of Moon or Moon's actions.. cause look at Moon now. He tries his best. He apologized to Eclipse on Old Moon's behalf. He tries to be better to Sun and keep an eye on him. He doesn't run away from everyone when things get bad - he's grieving with his family.. I bet Old Moon wouldn't be like that..

I think that Sun's death (or coma or whatever but you get what I mean) is inevitable and it'll be an eye opener for everyone (definitely for fans) who still doesn't take seriously Old Moon's abuse towards Sun. Because Sun has most of his issues if not all because of Old Moon. Sun suffers from serious mental disorder most definitely from trauma caused by Old Moon.

Another thing is that I can't wait when Eclipse will talk with Sun. And because I was thinking about how this Eclipse parallels New Moon.. maybe Eclipse will apologize.. But to whom he'll apologize first, idk.. I wish he could apologize to Sun first but who knows..

But tl;dr I think that Eclipse cares about Sun very deeply.

Also I forgot.. I really think that that one person who wrote a comment on YT that Eclipse may cry for the first time if Sun would die might be true.. I really think that Sun's death would break Eclipse's defenses completely..

#sun and moon show #sams #sams eclipse #sams sun #sams moon #tw abuse #tw character death

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snowe-zolynn-rogers · 3 months

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More random Sun and Moon Show headcanons

Lunar bites to show affection.

Solar has a coffee addiction (canon). He survives off three whole pots a day and seventeen iced coffees. He consistently has the coffee shakes.

Ruin has a tendency to just hide from things. Not even scary things but everything. Like he’ll see a mop bot coming to clean and hide under a table for no reason.

Earth can eat an entire gallon tub of ice cream in five minutes with a fork.

Frank wears dresses in his spare time because Ronty once said dresses suit him.

Sun’s cats hide in his stomach hatch and sleep in there all day sometimes.

Moon likes to freeze oil and make it into ice pops.

New Blood Moon throws tantrums and cries on the floor if he doesn’t get what he wants.

New Harvest Moon sits in his twin when Blood Moon is on the floor throwing a tantrum and just stays there until Bloody calms down.

Old Blood Moon finds the highest surface possible and sits there. Then he turns into a kitten stuck in a tree and cries to be helped down.

Old Harvest Moon had a plushie collection Lunar gave him.

Backup Eclipse was mostly hallucinating constantly the last month of his life. He had next to no clue what was going on and what was real and what wasn’t.

Kill Code had a shrine in his trailer to his three children.

Jigsaw had no clue what fireworks were. Probably thought they were bombs.

Original Eclipse was terrified of the dark. One time the daycare lights turned off and Lunar had to help him calm down while turning the lights back on because he was full on screaming and crying.

Lunara just pops into the dimension routinely and him and Sun play tag.

Lord Eclipse gets lonely and just kinda shows up in Moon’s room and just sits there with him because he’ll take someone who screams at him to ‘get out’ over being lonely.

Revived Eclipse has routine panic attacks. They seem timed because they happen at the same time every day but they really aren’t. He just has daily panic attacks at like 2:25 am.

Lord Lunar yeets his servant to spend time with Solar because they’re the only two relatively nice Eclipses and he wants Eclipse-Eclipse bonding so his brother has enrichment for his enclosure and social skills.

Servant Eclipse loves Sunday bonding with Solar but won’t admit it.

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twinanimatronics · 3 months

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—AGGRESSIVELY SHAKES MOON—

MOON

MY GUY

WHAT THE FUCK

Really pulling for Solar to get Moon to calm down and listen to what Eclipse said and how he was in pain (from fighting the directives). Especially if he tries asking for help AGAIN somehow or Moon finds out he did so by trying to approach Sun or Lunar or Earth.

Cause Sun bringing up Solar being the only one to calm Moon down when he’s angry during his therapy session with Earth HAS to be plot relevant and foreshadowing somehow.

Since Sun has too much trauma from Old Moon yelling and Solar’s already done so twice on screen (when Earth went missing after BloodMoon attacked her and when Eclipse showed up on their balcony like the late Christmas present he was).

Sun seemed to briefly consider, before Moon cut him off, that Eclipse asking for help was legitimate with: “I guess that’s (possible)”.

Maybe he’ll go to Solar and talk about this with him and then Solar will go to Moon and they proceed from there.

Cause fuck going with Ruin’s bait plans.

And, like—

I really wanna believe that Funtime Freddy’s comment about Eclipse having a redemption arc when he and Freddy ranked all the TSBS characters was also foreshadowing/Golden Freddy secret knowledge like Montt got about when Sun and Moon die (IF they die). ;w;

#tsams #sams #the sun and moon show #sun and moon show

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crumpet-doodles · 6 months

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Hey! Umm, can y'all give me your headcanons for Solar from the Sun and Moon show? I'd just like to see them, no matter how weird you think they might be! Here are a few of mine:

☆ Solar might have claustrophobia

I honestly do think that he might have some sort of claustrophobia. I'm basing this off of two things that happened in the lore vids:

In "Eclipse MOVES IN in VRCHAT," when Moon says that he could convert one of the party rooms into a temporary living space for Solar, Solar says "I'm more uh... I don't really like rooms." I know this was probably a bit overlooked, but on my second re-watch I noticed it, and an idea started forming in my brain-

Another example is in "Eclipse has a NEW IDENTITY!? in VRCHAT," where as he and Moon walk through this long, horrendously yellowish-orange hallway, Solar says "I hate this room. This hallway." This could be taken as to how empty the hallway is (As Moon comments) or to how it reminds him of a Half Life 2 map. (I think that's what he said-) Again, this could be easily ignored, but it just adds to my little theory~

One more thing is just something I speculate- he might have claustrophobia from some kind of trauma from his old dimension, specifically from the Moon that he lived with. I think that his Moon was highly abusive to him, and I can imagine him being put into a similar situation as Sun, where his Moon trapped him in a magical barrier, and left him there alone for an unspecified period of time. I can also imagine Solar just generally being trapped in a room/isolated, because Moon didn't know what else to do when Solar first... appeared? I guess? In his Sun.

Also, he'd probably try to hide it because he thinks it's stupid.

☆ Solar is an insomniac

I honestly think that he just has a hard time sleeping, his brain is just running around everywhere 24/7- (Damn he's pretty relatable)

He will literally run himself into the ground before taking a break/resting. In "Eclipse has a NEW IDENTITY!? in VRCHAT," Moon calls him an "insane motherfucker" when he admits that he fixed the Daycare, Theater, Gift Shop, and more, in a week. A WEEK. Then after a tour and some talk, he passes out from running out of battery, due to being on 1% charge. He's overworking himself. He needs sleep.

HE SOUNDS ABSOLUTELY EXHAUSTED IN "Lunar and Earth's GROUP THERAPY in VRCHAT," LIKE BRO- He said he was working on 2 separate things, both for 5 hours straight- He really needs to sleep- get him a beanbag or something-

Also, this could be another trauma-related thing, where he just doesn't feel safe sleeping, or he has nightmares. However, this is probably just me overthinking and reading too much into this situation.

When he DOES fall asleep, it's usually in the most arbitrary places ever. At the desk in the daycare, in one of the play structures, etc. I... have a feeling that he's probably fallen asleep on that green little mat/platform thing in the ball pit before. Or just literally in the ball pit itself.

☆ Solar's just generally insecure about his looks

Looking like the OG Eclipse model, he probably has some issues with what he looks like, and is most likely frustrated about how people keep mistaking him for Eclipse.

Also, coming back to the whole "his dimension's Moon giving him trauma" thing. His Moon probably called him a lot of things, all of them horrible. Solar keeps mentioning how aggressive and angry his Moon was, so again, it would fit the profile.

In "Lunar and Earth's GROUP THERAPY in VRCHAT," When Solar talks about him working, Earth says "That might have something to do with you not feeling like you fit in." Please, he needs comfort and more therapy-

☆Solar is touch starved

Do I even have to explain?

Also, I feel like even though he IS touch starved, he doesn't... realize it, exactly. He has really closed off body language (For some reason I can imagine that his idle pose/stance is having his arms crossed) and is just generally unsure about how he should properly show physical affection.

Do you know what I mean? Like, you think you just don't like physical touch, but it just turns out you were full of anxiety on how to properly show it that when somebody DOES end up giving you a hug or something similar that the realization just... hits you? Really hard? (Dear Stars this is over-specific am I ok???) Solar might also be comfortable with one person/small group of people actually touching him. Or if people ask. (Ok I need to shut up, now I'm just projecting my personal experiences into my headcanons for him-)

This could also be attributed to the insecure thing but eh.

Quick thing I'd also like to say, his model, (or "suit," as they call it in the show) is slightly different from the other's, because as his dimension's Moon stated, it was an older model that never got used. I think it's just lankier, skinnier, and maybe has a tail, as these features were being experimented with for the newer daycare attendants, the ones who actually got used (Solar's dimension's Sun and Moon.)

(Note: I might edit this post as things change/lore vids drop!)

(Damn, this turned into a whole-ass essay-) So yeah! If you've made it this far, thank you, and if you have any headcanons of your own that you're willing to share, please do! I'd be delighted to see them!

#tsams #tsams Solar #headcanon #Y'all please this took me too long-#nice eclipse #tsams nice eclipse #give me your headcanons #I shall gladly devour them #In the most normal way possible #the sun and moon show #The sun and moons show Solar #tsams good eclipse

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thorns-and-rosewings · 6 months

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Sooooo new AU anyone?

Behold the 🔥'Seraphim AU!'🔥

LOL I have been working on this for a month and decided to post what I have so far today on the spookiest of days, dear old Halloween. 🎃 And yes, I do get a ton of enjoyment out of The Sun and Moon Show, which helped inspire the direction this AU has gone.

I actually do have a whole AU/Story idea for him and his brothers (Yes he has siblings, his versions of Bloodmoon and Lunar)

I will just give a little intro into him and his background into this world below. :)

First thing I need to point out is that Seraphim Eclipse is not actually a Fazbear product. No, his creation was the result of a very ambitious fellow within Fazbear who had the brilliant idea to commission an outside company to build some of the more unique animatronics for less money. Specifically the Daycare Attendants.

As the DCA is the only animatronic whose insides cannot be replaced by a random backup Endo due to their thinner, more complex structures. They need to be custom built each time and it's particularly expensive given the unique 3 personalities and abilities the Endo will need. So, without authorization, he commissions a smaller company to build a new attendant.

Unfortunately A LOT was lost in translation. As this small company was led to believe that if their work was satisfactory they could get many more commissions from Fazbear. They were also provided with the DCA's primary blueprints... And furthering the miscommunication, they were told to improve on the design rather than make it identical.

Thus the Creator took liberties and built the base model of Seraphim Eclipse. (Pictured below)

Initial Info: The he first thing that should be said is that Seraphim Eclipse was not initially able to fly. (He can currently) his original wings were just for show and were made to flash and glow. (If he tries it's like getting flashed with six Fazcams all at once)

Next, he was made to be a 'Gentle Giant' sort of figure. He stands at a towering 10 feet tall if one includes his rays.

He also doesn't have a hook on his back, rather he is equipped with a long, flexible and insanely durable cable that can retract completely into his back. This cable measures almost 35-40 feet and is so strong it can fully lift Seraphim Eclipse's weight and keep him balanced and suspended perfectly in midair. The reason for this is he was built to fill all three of the DCA's roles and for naps he would place the kids down for a nap, while being suspended above with his wings glowing faintly.

His entire appearance is supposed to invoke that of a guardian angel.

The cable also has a secondary function as it is much like a Na'vi queue and allows Eclipse to interact with the networks throughout the Pizzaplex. Due to his systems being completely built outside of Fazbear, he has difficulty with various aspects of the systems. But it also meant he was immune to the initial Glitchtrap virus.

He refers to this cable as his tail.

His creator chose to simplify the 'Sun, Moon and Eclipse' personalities and just made one singular being who could handle all of the duties he would need too. Choosing to name him Eclipse as it was more appropriate and would seemingly encompass all of the needed aspects.

The final really 'Abnormal' thing about him is that during his construction, someone attempted to abduct and possibly assault one of the Creators three kids, specifically his youngest daughter... Thankfully the bastard failed and was arrested, but the lingering stress of that disturbing situation resulted in his Creator building flamethrowers into his arms/hands... To be used in case of emergencies.

Brief History: Unfortunately when he was revealed to the heads of the Fazbear Board of Directors, brought before them and activated by the manager who commissioned him... He immediately showed that he was as sweet and as cheerful as Sun models usually are-

He was about as well received as someone finding a dead rat in their cereal...

The board was livid, as company secrets and schematics were given out to make this abomination... Yeah, his first memories at the job he was made for was being called an abomination to his face.

The manager was fired and Eclipse, since they couldn't send him back for a refund but also couldn't use him... They put him in a few restraints, locked him into a permanent 'resting mode' and pretty much hung him up on a wall in a small closet off of parts and services... and forgot he existed.

Unfortunately for Eclipse, he was locked but still conscious.

He was trapped in his own body, in darkness, alone for several years... The only escape he had was that while they locked his limbs up, they neglected doing so with his tail. So he was eventually able to get into the Fazbear networks and essentially observe the ongoings of the Pizzaplex.

He was also able to get access to an online Anime/Manga account that one employee set up for 'Productive Loafing' while at work. But it ended up being the one true joy Seraphim Eclipse had. A distraction from the nightmare he was stuck in. Even when the human employee was fired, Eclipse still kept the account active and constantly used it.

...on a negative note, Eclipse developed a seething hatred towards Sun, Moon and their Eclipse. As he viewed them as responsible for his own situation. Let alone the horrors that the malfunctioning Moon caused...

(Because I truly can write too much and given how LONG I could make this... I am going to shorten this now)

Seraphim Eclipse was finally be let loose from his captivity by MXES as a final desperate act to prevent Mimic from escaping and killing Cassie. As when MXES was set up, he became aware of Eclipse but didn't release him... Due to him not being sure if he was just another vessel for the Mimic or some other threat.

After getting free and having been watching Cassie's dangerous progress through the destroyed Pizzaplex via the cameras, Eclipse's first and only thought is about saving that little girl... And he reactivates Roxy to help him. (Because I still wonder how the hell she reactivated.) And it turns into a huge fight... Ending with Mimic getting deactivated by being ripped to pieces. And Eclipse taking quite a bit of damage especially to one side of his face, but making sure Mimic is VERY dead.

They all leave up the elevator, meeting the real Gregory, Freddy (Well... his head anyway) and Vanessa at the top. (They don't drop them.)

Literally everyone is burnt out from this nightmare, they go to the only place that might be a reprieve from the whole mess... They go to Cassie's aunt's place. Cassie's aunt, Twila, owns a Junk/Scrapyard and was babysitting her niece while her father was out of town. She opens the door to this lot and Cassie nervously laughing that she has a funny story to tell her.

Cassie is grounded for a month for scaring her aunt half to death by running off...

But Seraphim Eclipse stays there for a bit; and knowing he saved her niece... Twila gives him his sword. As she knows it's valuable, but judging by her nieces description about how Eclipse used a piece of rebar like a sword while fighting Mimic, she thought he should own a real one.

The sword is an Nodaichi.

His face is repaired, but seems to sport a permanent red scar, resembling a bloody tear.

(Again I am shortening this...)

After pulling off some blackmail, Seraphim Eclipse manages to aquire this particular Pizzaplex, all of its accounts for money and while associated, it's not connected to the Fazbear brand anymore... He owns it and gets it repaired.

His first act is to get rid of Sun/Moon/Eclipse... He quite literally tells them they are fired... And to go throw themselves into the dumpster outside because that's where they belong.

Twila takes the now distraught trio to live and help her at the scrapyard...

The Pizzaplex gets repaired better than ever and Eclipse takes his 'rightful' role, running the daycare.

...all is peaceful for a bit...

Until something is blasted through the roof and lands in the ballpit...

...namely the damaged form of a certain other Eclipse...

...and the damaged remains of the Newton Star...

Exercising A LOT of caution, Seraphim Eclipse takes the damaged other Eclipse to his workshop and starts going through his mind.

Yeaaaahhh he learns how batshit the other is... But he also comes across the schematics for the interdimensional portal, but more importantly the blueprints for both Bloodmoon and Lunar...

Because he and his alter share a trait of being agonizingly lonely.

He also meets Solar Flare, who he moves his consciousness into his computer... And ends up adapting him to be the AI in charge of his defenses...

LOL, MXES finally gets a friend.

He repairs Canon Eclipse, but knowing that he's pretty insane... Seraphim Eclipse slaps a nasty control collar on him so his alter cannot secretly work to destroy him...

Poor guy gets turned into a very angry janitor.

And Seraphim Eclipse proceeds to build his own versions of Bloodmoon and Lunar... Even incorporating the fragments of the Newton Star into his own Lunar.

The results are... Interesting... Especially considering his Lunar, who is extremely magically inclined, becomes responsible for Seraphim Eclipse's wing upgrades. As well as a multitude of additional upgrades... And awkward scenarios; that this crazy family will start enduring 😅

...I will write more later, but that's pretty much the start of this AU 🌟

Also, Happy Halloween everyone! 🎃

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sardix · 1 month

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Eclipse redemtion arc starts!?(theory)

So in the New lunar and earth show episode eclipse is forced to go to therapy with earth, becouse they all can see that eclipse needs it.

Mostly it does not work since eclipse dosn't want to do it and you can clirly see that he gave up on himself and the idea that others acually cared.

We find out that the first time eclipse visited earth saing that he wanted to redem himself was true and he did until sun and moon killed him. (Now he gave up that they would forgive him or that it can be better)

He acually trust earth the most out of all of them stating that she is difrent then these morons(sun and moon).

And although he did everything to avoid all the questions, he admitted to how scared he was when he was "born" (aka abandoned) or as he states "it was horifing to wake up not in you're own body", and moon was lisening in their conversation and he acually felt bad and wanted to apologise for old moon's doings and as moon says it was all old moons foult all the problems, where becouse he couldn't handle his own problems and gave them to soemone else (onto eclipse, although he thought he was giving them onto sun).

The sad part is that eclipse aparently didn't hear him say it, maybe( we don't know a 100%. ) but I would love to see later maybe in a memory that eclipse heard it and he just pused with shock (maybe with tears in his eyes) or that could happen in the future. I feal like he would really apreaciate a sorry for being abandoned.

But the good news is that eclipse cares, i mean we already knew that thanks to solar flare, but the fact that he didn't answer to earths question and complitly avoided it (the guestion being "did you care about lunar)

And eclipse acually admits and refers to how he is all alone all the time and why he hated them becouse he saw thru suns eyes and how happy he was and eclipse was Just stuck.

Also the fact that we know how sun pushed all his negative emotions into eclipse, mostly anger.(sun probably tho didn't do it on purpose and didn't know that he was doing it) That's why when eclipse was finally gone from suns head, sun started to have trouble with anger becouse he did't have any creature in his head to push them onto. So that's as well a reson to why eclipse was so controled by his anger or as eclipse says "I got you're motivations and ambitions sun"

And earth points out that he wanted to be better to sun than old moon was (or at least that's how I understood it, i could be wrong)

But earth sums up eclipse can be helped he just needs to want and acept help, just like he was wiling to before he got killed by the canon

(Also is it just me but the way moon said about ever meting the old moon is a hint to who maybe is behind all of it(probably ruin is tho) or at least that they will meet, and if they will I'm beting, becouse they will need old moons help. And there is a 50/50 chance, that old moon eather will be just a person who used to be selfish but regreted his mistakes, tried to fix them all by himself and proved that he acually cared about sun OR which is more likely he will be a complite dushbag especially how since new moon was born we have been shown and found out more stuff that old moon did and how everyone called him a prick and other bad stuff so I'm beting On the second option)

But the bigest achiwment would be that earth acually suceded in receving any information from eclipse even if it was just one thing. It means that he could open up when he will trust her more. The reason why he even had any trust for her is becouse he saw how terefied she was before he died or the moment he was dieing. He saw that she was acually woried and it gave him slight hope that she might acually care. (I think)

Eather way I hope in the future there will be more progres and eclipse won't finally be all alone in anger, at this point dude deserves it seing how much he went thru, is going thru and probably will have to go thru.

And The MOST important thing is that moon felt bad so there is a CHANCE that he will not kill eclipse permanently when they will find his Creator. (And I hope they won't kill him i feal like eclipse has a chance)

What I honesly hope to happen, is that we got a hint that eclipse cared about sun. and eclipse now alaways asked about sun's opinion and not just moons (he didn't probably care about moons opinion... maybe) so I feal like eclipse could open up if he somehow ended up stuck with sun. As long as sun would acually be calm with eclipse and not start arguing with him....(he wouldn't definitly at the beginig but with time)

It would probably work with eclipse opening up even a litle or just one inforamtion if he was in a situation where he would confront sun (since knowing sun's luck he isn't gonna die and will have to suffer thru everything) and idk maybe eclipse would be just the only person around or avaible to confront sun, since solar would be probably ocupied with work and also I'm not sure if he would even atempt comforting sun.

although if they did fight, eclipse could acidently scream out some valiuble information as in for example he could scream "and how did you think I felt when the first person i have ever cared about betrayed me and tried killing me?! And you did suceed in that didn't you?" Okay that's maybe not the best example but you get my point.(if someone has a better example please tell me)

Anyways what do you think about this theory? Let me know, i love to discuss that stuff and have a nice day i hope my theory made you at least consider some stuff.

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I agree with that one post that said Lunar was a cooler character back when he was morally grey. He was like this naive and innocent kid, but in a bad way. Like he lacked empathy. He just wanted to have fun and not be bored. He was fully okay with others being hurt or killed. Heck, he was fully okay with torturing Moon by moving around a lot. He knew it hurt him, and he intentionally moved his arms a lot to do it. And the fact that Moon never once lashed out at him like he did to Sun always bugged me, but that's a whole other post on its own. And when Eclipse started messing with his want for fun, and then hit him, Lunar was fully okay with Eclipse getting hurt or killed. He just had zero empathy, and latched onto those who could help him get what he wanted, like Monty and Moon. I don't know how to describe it, but he was just so fun to think about because he was just like Eclipse. He lacked empathy and was only out for himself in the end. He used others to get what he wanted. It came off as innocent and like a child because of his voice and the way he acted, and he used that despite him saying he wasn't really a kid. It was honestly such a neat take on an innocent type character. And I really loved it. I know they changed him to be more nice because the fans loved him so much, but part of me always wished he'd kind of stayed almost a villain. It feels like the fans acted like everything he said and did was okay or excused, so the writing suddenly switched up to him being this poor baby and everything he said and did was actually okay instead of messed up. I don't know, I'm just ranting at this point. I wish I knew how to put it into better words. I like Lunar now, but I loved the old Lunar.

#sun and moon show #the sun and moon show #tsams #sams #tsams confession #< block this if you dont want to see these #mod 1blood

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brekwrites · 1 month

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Wassup, I hear you like screaming about Solar from tSaMs, I am here to get my ear drums busted :D

I will gladly talk about Solar with you, I am somewhat new to tumblr (been here a while only started posting today) so I’m tryna engage with other artists and creators, and get my ass out of the corner.

I also really like your fan fictions! Keep up the good work :)

Hi!!!!

Yea I love Solar he's like. The guy ever. I could scream about a lot of Solar-related things, but at the current moment I'm thinking about how his relationships are with the other characters. This got long, so I'm sticking it under the cut.

Like, I wanna see more of him and Sun interacting and some sort of evidence that his feelings toward Sun are complicated by his grief surrounding his own Sun. I'd like to see some 'you're stuck in a body that's really similar to mine, I know how my own model works, let me help' solidarity between them as well.

I wanna see how his experiences with his own Moon affect his interactions with New Moon. I feel like he's remained calm in the face of quite a few of Moon's outbursts, which is interesting to me. Is he used to them? Is he freaking out a bit, but shutting down (bc that's totally a response he seems to have to stressful situations)? Is the time he spends with New Moon healing for him in a way that's similar to when Lunar spends time with him? I'd also love to see Moon provide some support and comfort for him, since it's been established he does the same for Moon. At the same time, there are times when he and Moon start to feed off of each other in a way that's not great, and I want to see more of that too.

I feel like it's been established that it was good for Lunar to spend time with Solar and that he sees him and Eclipse as definitively separate people now. Also, we know that Solar was lonely in his own universe and deeply hurt when he learned Lunar was gone. I wanna see a bit more of Solar's struggle with being one of the few good Eclipses, and I feel like that could be explored through his relationship with Lunar (if Lunar could focus on something other than his own issues for more than a few seconds). Does he feel like it's only a matter of time before he does something unforgivable? Is he constantly making an effort to prove that he's still good, still trustworthy, and it's still safe to keep him around? Is he ever afraid that if he slips up, even a little, they'll send him back to his dimension to be alone? We know a big part of Eclipse's issues stem from abandonment, and I feel like that definitely applies to Solar as well. I wanna see him sink his claws into his new family and refuse to let go because he feels like every good thing he has is taken from him eventually. I wanna see him be willing to fight to keep what he's worked so hard for.

It's really interesting for me to see Solar's interactions with Earth because she's such an open person, in contrast to the way he closes himself off. We know he was lonely in his old dimension, we know he's probably starved for approval and affection and kindness, but whenever Earth offers it he shies away. He admitted to feeling left out and wanting to spend more time with her and Lunar, but he was very blunt and matter-of-fact when he said it. Earth has tried to talk to him about his feelings, but he shut down and barely responded. But we know he wants to be more open and closer to her, because he agreed to learn to knit with her, agreed to make a new body for her, laughs and jokes with her, and hugged her back when she hugged him. He also looks up to her, which we saw in the recent ep where he tried to mediate between her and Lunar. It didn't go well, but that was his way of showing he cared about them both and wanted to help them work it out. Finally, I know they needed another person to play Frank in the Christmas episode, but Solar's hasty exit and comments about how he didn't know how to handle the interaction had me like GRRRRRR. YOU SHOULD EXPLORE THAT MORE DEEPLY MY GUY! And cry about it, maybe.

Also, with Eclipse coming back? I wanna see them talk more! I wanna see Solar be like, "I see right through you, actually. You're a sad, lonely, piece of shit. I know because that's how I feel, sometimes." I want Solar to see what he could have been and feel things about it. I want Eclipse to see what he could have been, what he could have had, and feel things about it.

Like idk it's just so fun to stick Solar together in a room with another character in literally any context. I like the canon concept of him joining the family, I like AUs where he gets together with Moon, and I also like AUs where he gets together with Sun. Fuck it, maybe I'll ship him with Eclipse too. Or Ruin. Or KC. I literally do not care as long as I get to put him in situations and see what he does. I want to study him like a little bug under a magnifying glass.

Anyways... I like Solar lmao. Thank you for sending me an ask! :)

#tsams #sams #sun and moon show #tsams solar #sams solar #meblog #answeredask

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ikamigami · 17 days

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Umm.. so I think I know what needs to be done in order to bring Solar back properly.. but I think that no one will like the answer..

Exactly just like Dark Sun said.. so.. uhh.. anyway, probably many people are scared that Eclipse will have to sacrifice himself to be able to bring Solar back.. but I doubt that's the case here..

And believe me I wouldn't want Eclipse to sacrifice himself.. but don't you find it a bit odd that Eclipse wouldn't like to sacrifice himself.. I mean we all know that Eclipse has it rough and has mental issues and is most definitely suicidal.. and we know that he's tired of living.. so I think that if he had a chance to give up his life I think that he would do that..

It's not that I don't think that Eclipse doesn't want to live and finally have some good relationships with others or at least Earth for now and maybe be able to become a part of a family.. but I don't doubt that Eclipse sees how much everyone loves Solar and hates him and I bet that Eclipse believes that he won't be accepted by others so what's the point of living?

Now he has a goal - to bring Solar back and he's basically living for this goal because Eclipse doesn't have any purpose in his life outside of what others are telling him to do.. It's really sad but my point is that I think that Eclipse wouldn't be upset (in a sense of what Dark Sun said) if he had to sacrifice himself for Solar..

I think that to safely bring Solar back they need to sacrifice someone indeed.. but it can't be anyone other than Sun..

What's funny is that I was actually thinking about it.. about how Solar was created and I realized that Solar's Sun basically sacrificed himself for Solar to be able to live..

You probably know whre I'm going with this at this point.. yeah.. in order to bring Solar back properly they need to do something similar to his origin in his dimension.. which means sacrificing Sun..

And there's also another thing that is worth pointing out.. and it's the fact that Sun sacrificing himself to bring Solar back would be a parallel to how Old Moon sacrificed himself for KC to live..

And it also would put Moon to a test.. cause remember how Moon said that he'll do anything to bring Solar back? Well.. what if he had to sacrifice his own brother?

That sounds like something Moon wouldn't do, right? And I think that this is where the plot of Sun's death will come into play..

I think that something like that may happen: Moon is budy with doing what he's doing now with Puppet and all that stuff in order to bring Solar back and we know that creator wants Lunar in exchange for helping them bring Solar back.. so I think that when others will be busy with all of this happening Sun will be left aside once again..

And from Sun's second therapy episode we know that Sun is ready to help in any way to be useful.. and because he's suicidal I think that he wouldn't mind being hurt if that means he'll help others.. so I can totally see Sun agreeing to sacrifice himself to bring Solar back..

But here's the thing.. Dark Sun said that Eclipse won't like the answer.. so if I'm right about Eclipse actually caring for Sun.. he definitely wouldn't want Sun to sacrifice himself..

I'm still thinking about what might happen but that's it for now..

And at last.. I think that maybe Moon will talk with Old Moon on the day Old Moon died? I think that would be neat :)

Oh, I forgot.. I think that Dark Sun either wants to use Eclipse for some evil scheme.. or he'll try to prevent bad things from happening using Eclipse as a pawn.. but we shall see..

#sun and moon show #sams #sams sun #sun and moon show sun #sams moon #sams eclipse #sams evil sun #sams spoilers #tw suicide

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starheirxero · 10 days

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OH GOD, EVERYTHING IS HAPPENING, EVERYTHING'S GOING ON-

I AM SCREAMING, KICKING, CRYING, RUNNING UP MY WALLS, DRAMATICALLY THROWING MYSELF ON THE GROUND AND WAILING-

FIRST SAMS FUCKING PUNCHES AND KNOCKS ME TO THE GROUND, AND THEN MGAFS GIVES ME THE FINISHING BLOW- FUCK EVERYTHING-

OH GOD, WHERE DO I EVEN BEGIN-

First of all, we finally reunited with old Moon…BY GOD, DID I MISS THIS SNARKY BASTARD- I am so happy, to see him again!!! He's so nonchalant and blunt, especially towards people outside of his family- It makes me so nostalgic!! His similarlities to Eclipse are clearer than ever, honestly!

Everything about it just makes me so emotional, I can't even begin to describe it-

He's on that same old beach where he gave up his life, the same old beach where he showed empathy and compassion more than ever before, the same damn old beach where he was the more selfless than he'd ever been- It is making me sick to my stomach/pos

He still loathes himself so much, still looks down on himself and his mistakes. He has never been able to let go of it, he'll always hold on to the mistakes he made. One of these mistakes is leaving a part of his code behind, which in turn created Eclipse. His hatred for him comes from the hatred of himself, because Eclipse is the embodiment of everything he hated in himself.

But even though he hates himself, even though he buried himself underneath a mountain of mistakes, he will never regret protecting his family. He has always been a big brother, always been a protector, no matter what! Even after everything, they are the only thing on his mind. I'm going to fucking cry, man-

God, he adores them so much! Everytime he talked about them, I teared up!

He adores and treasures Sun with all of his heart, and only wishes for him to be safe and sound and happy! He knows his brother, knows he's blaming himself, and wants so badly to put a stop to it! But he can't, because that would involve a conversation, and he cannot bare to hurt him more than he already has.

He wants to thank Monty, who has been his emotional support, his best friend. Old Moon is anti-social, apathetic towards anyone outside of his family, even another version of himself, yet Monty got through to him, time and time again. Monty, in their own right, was family too! The two of them always got each other out of the gutter.

God, when he talked about Lunar and Earth, I legit started to cry a little-

He always wanted a sister. He always wanted a little brother. He wished he could've met them, wished he could've gotten to know them, wished to have loved them as much as he loved Sun!

He did know Lunar, but he never had the chance to truly get to know them. Everything he said about them is honestly just so sweet, and shows old Moon beyond his shell.

They were just a kid in a shitty situation, made with a purpose they never wanted.

Old Moon has a hard time caring for others, yet he looked at this child, who needed help and guidance, and took them underneath his wing without hesitation. Tragically, though, he always kept his distance. I don't think, he quite saw, how much they looked up to him. He always kept them at arms length, because he had hurt one brother, and was afraid to hurt another, afraid to open his heart. Yet, despite this distance, he would've ripped Eclipse apart for what he did, without mercy.

God, I can only imagine what his dynamic with everyone would've been like, especially with Earth, who is so incredibly different from him!

Old Moon is such an intriguing character to look at! Especially with how obviously different he is from New Moon!

I want to analyze him so bad, but my brain just won't cooperate👀

I'm really glad, New Moon got his reassurance though, and even learned from Old Moon, it seems!

Now, as for MGAFS….NO, GOD NO, PLEASE EVERYTHING BUT THIS-

THEY WEREN'T JUST SEPARATED- THEY WERE PERMANENTLY TORN APART, NEVER TO REUNITE AGAIN- THEY CAN'T DO THIS, I CAN'T HANDLE THIS-

BLOODMOON'S REACTION TO HIS BROTHER'S DEATH- HE TRIED SO HARD TO KEEP A STRAIGHT FACE, BUT THE MOMENT THEY TRIED TO LEAVE, HE STARTED YELLING- HE HAS NEVER BEEN ALONE, ALWAYS ONE HALF OF A WHOLE. NOW HIS OTHER HALF IS GONE, AND HE IS ALONE, AND HE WILL NEVER BE WHOLE AGAIN-

I ALSO READ YOUR INTERPRETATION OF BLOODMOON'S LAST LINE, AND IT HAS BROKEN ME- THEY COULD'VE BEEN GOOD. THEY COULD'VE BEEN FRIENDS. THEY JUST DIDN'T WANT TO BE CHANGED, DIDN'T WANT TO BE LIKED AS SOMEONE THEY'RE NOT. THEY JUST WANTED TO BE THEMSELF, YET THEY NEVER WOULD'VE BEEN ACCEPTED THAT WAY-

XERO, WHY MUST YOU DO THIS TO ME-

-Stardust

YESSSSSYESYEYSES I DIDN'T TALK MUCH ABT THE TSAMS EP BC I GOT SO DISTRACTED BY MGAFS BUT EVERYTHING U SAID FOR REAL !!!!!! THE BEACH AND THE CONVO THEY HAD AND AAUAGGGHH

I was honestly so worried that there was going to be a sudden change in how Old Moon acted but seeing him just still wholeheartedly be him made me experience sooo many emotions. Like u said, the similarities between him and Eclipse are just wholly on display and it's like,, oh yea! you are who he stems from!

AND YEAH ALL HIS SENTIMENTS ABT MONTY + SUN + THE BROTHER N SISTER HE NEVER GOT TO KNOW. BURSTS INTO TEARS!!!!! For how little people he cared about, he made up for in caring about that small handful of people with his whole entire soul, even if that care could be convoluted and confusing and ultimately hurtful, he never wanted it to be like that. He just wanted the best :(

AND THEN THE LAST MESSAGE FOR NEW MOON AUGHHH I CAN'T EVEN. DIES EVERYWHEREEEE

AND THEN MGAFS. FUCK. I KNOWWWW I KNOW I KNOW IT FUCKED ME UP SO BADDD. THE FINAL BLOODMOON'S DESPERATE YELLING AT THE END FUCKED ME UP EVEN WORSE TO TOP IT ALL OFF I CAN'T EVENNNN.

AND SHAKES YOU SHAKES YOU THEY COULD HAVE BEEN SO EASY TO ACCOMMODATE FOR IT DRIVES ME INSANE!!! THEY WANTED CONTROL OVER THE ONE THING THAT IMPACTS THEM THE MOST, OF COURSE THEY WOULD HAVE DENIED ANYTHING ELSE!!!! THEY COULD HAVE HAD IT ALLLLL AAAAOAUHGHHHH

#asks #anon #stardust anon #STARTS PUNCHING A WALL AND SOUNG BACKFLIPS AND BURSTING INTO TEARS #IT ALL MAKES ME SO EMOTIONAL UGH. HELL EARTH EVERYWHERE FOREVERRRRR #sun and moon show #the sun and moon show #tsams #monty gator and foxy show #the monty gator and foxy show #mgafs #tsams spoilers #sams spoilers #mgafs spoilers #long post #caps

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alexandraisyes · 4 months

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What is going on with Eclipse?

He's different, changed, and set to square one all over again. All his growth? Poof.

Well, my theory is this isn't the Eclipse that died. I'll explain under the cut, and also touch on if this is the Eclipse that died, and how it might work.

Why do I think that?

He is audibly confused when Sun and Moon talk about him getting blown up. That's my main reason. Other reasons are the fact that he has lost almost all character growth Is upset about the star being gone Doesn't seem focused on the Astral Bodies and Lunar And acts like he's suffered a hugely personal grievance from the celestial twins

And, well, let's linger on the word act. He's an actor. He's acting. His words are strained, as if scripted. Playing a role he doesn't think fits... or isn't one for him to fill.

Our Eclipse was moving past that. And I've heard the theories on him being bitter because he was blown up but... apparently, he doesn't remember that.

So who is he?

We've got a few ideas here

The first thought is, this is the Eclipse. Yeah. THE Eclipse. The original. The one that was blasted from Sun's mind. Remember that conversation? It went something along the lines of:

"I said queso, not keso!" "You said what?!" "I mean, it worked? He's gone." "He's either dead or... immobile in the woods somewhere broken beyond repair."

If he's in the woods well... he'd have shut down. His processors would have failed. His body first overheating with the melting plastic, then going deathly cold as his vents and fans shut off one by one. However, as we know, broken beyond repair is not a real problem for animatronics. It's a setback. Lunar, Sun, Monty, Earth... all have been "broken beyond repair". What happens when they reach that state? Their AI is transferred to an entirely new body. Who would do that for Eclipse?

A few people, actually. The creator is the first to come to mind. The second is KC, who is now dead, but it's possible that with Eclipse ending up in the forest... and KC living in the forest, KC could have repaired him or begun to repair him. Especially with what we know about KC. He knows magic, he knows star power, and he came from old Moon, who was quite the techie. This would give us the option of Eclipse being made of materials that aren't entirely mechanical if that is the case.

The last person to come to mind is Ruin. Ruin was living in Moon's old bunkers with Bloodmoon for quite a bit, he visited a lot of the same places Eclipse had, and he's probably been in quite a few deserted areas where the OG Eclipse might have ended up in. He has an aptitude for tech, he built and programmed Bloodmoon, after all.

The second thought is a backup (AI and body). It's always possible that Moon missed something. As we've all noted, Eclipse seems to be on his first character arc again.

The third thought is a backup but in a different sense. Ruin takes play here again.

Remember when Ruin raided Moon's computer and found 'encrypted code left by Eclipse'? There's a possibility that Eclipse left a backup of his AI in the computer just like how he left the entirety of his Bloodmoon schematics in Moon's computer. Which seems careless, and makes one wonder why he would do that, or even when he would do that. And why the computer wouldn't have removed it. Well, if it's encrypted that means it's hidden. And we all know how big a fan of the show Ruin is, he probably knows alllll about Eclipse. So, he could have built Eclipse just like he built Bloodmoon. Or, even without a back up, could have done *exactly* what he did with Bloodmoon, pick and choose what parts to show a new Eclipse about who he was, leaving out bits that would alter the desired outcome.

The fourth thought. It's Ruin. Ruin built his new body, we have no idea what he added to it. Like I said earlier, "His words are strained, as if scripted. Playing a role he doesn't think fits... *or isn't one for him to fill.*" Plus, Ruin has been veryyy suspicious lately. "There's not cameras in here, is there? Oh wait, yes there are." And then the footage cuts out, did he dismantle the camera? Maybe. And if it's not Ruin himself, it's probably option 2 or 3 and Ruin is helping him. I have a feeling that Ruin didn't want them to come through the tunnels because Eclipse was hiding in them, watching the scene unfold. Eclipse does like to watch the chaos of his actions, this is a pattern with him.

The last thought. He could be the Eclipse that died. Unlikely, but it's possible. Dying is something *deeply* traumatic, and it could be repressed. Or he could be suffering amnesia. I talked in a different thread about the potential of Sun going comatose and that is what Eclipse saw when he told Moon "I have seen the future and sun will die" or whatever. When I talked about that, I touched on the amnesia aspect of a comatose state, in which the victims of such a state lose the recall ability of events that happened shortly before entering such a state without assistance in the matter. The longer the comatic state, the worse the recall ability, and the further the memory loss goes.

Other support with the idea that he could be the Eclipse that died in Solar's world, he didn't look like he wanted to move on. Flare walked out, Flare left, and I don't think we'll be seeing Flare again in the series as much as that hurts (I love Flare if you didn't know). Anyways, Flare left. Eclipse? Eclipse lingered, he didn't walk out of consciousness, he didn't leave, he just sat there as the darkness ate away at what was left of him.

In fact, rewatching that episode, I noticed something.

We see Moon press the button, the laser fires, and presumably, Eclipse explodes just like that. Except we go to the shared mindscape of Eclipse and Flare, and watch their final interaction. Flare walks away. Eclipse stays. I've always thought it weird that the mindscape was *clouds* unless the host of the mind makes a conscious effort to alter it (see KC) or requires a structured mind to be able to function properly (see Solar). Seems very... virtual. Like, maybe the digital 'cloud'. Uploading to the cloud? They are connected to the internet, they automatically connect to internet when available, and they've never needed to mess with passwords even if they are in an entirely new environment. So it's possible... it's possible that Eclipse lingered. Lingered and connected to the network in Solar's world, if we're going to go with the cloud idea.

But hey, that's just a theory.

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