#moffat i just want to talk

[tardxsblues]

Don't you worry. I'll remember it.

#moffat i just want to talk #this is the kind of mayhem that runs through my head all day #i'm working on my public apology speech right now #the pure joy and lighthearted teasing in the tardis scene #vs the absolutely gutting sense of loss in the diner scene #is what i will be thinking about for the next week #doctor who #dwedit #dwgifs #dw companions #dw parallels #timelordgifs #moffatedit #twelve #twelfth doctor #clara oswald #twelveclara #whouffaldi #dws9 #episode: the woman who lived #episode: hell bent #peter capaldi #jenna coleman #tvedit #gif warning #long post

[anotherpapercut]

I know several people who like LOVE seasons 5-7 (11th doctors run) and think the storylines and moffats writing are brilliant and I don't get it!!! what am I missing??? why does literally every single episode have the exact same stakes: Rory/Amy/the doctor is dead. forever. so dead. but wait!!! what if they aren't!!! why do so many of the explanations for why they're not actually dead feel so rushed like they were added at the last minute!! why does every single queer character act kind of weird and awkward about being queer!! why does the doctor casually say that women are inferior when no one's around!!! what the fuck!! hello!!!

#why is rory continuously proving himself as the Only Man To Ever Exist only for the characters/narrative to continuously imply hes lesser #amy tries to kiss the doctor?? at her wedding?????? #when amy is stuck for 36 years why is she like i forgot how much rory loved me?? GIRL HE WAITED 1000 YEARS FOR YOU???? WHAT???? #he is CONSTANTLY the butt of the joke despite being unequivocally without a doubt the best character from this era #what the fuck was up with river being their kid #THE 50TH ANNIVERSARY???? WHAT?? THAT SHIT WAS WEIRD RIGHT??? #does anyone else find it annoying that moffat changed the opening theme and the tardis and the sonic and the doctor ALLLL at once #and then retconned the entire storyline the early seasons are based off of?? #WHY IS THE DOCTOR SO GODDAMN ANNOYING?? LIKE SO MUCH MORE ANNOYING THAN THE OTHERS #and fucking sexist!!! so sexist!!! #anyone remember the characters who were like 'were the short fat and tall skinny gay men why do we need names' LIKE HUH??????? #gay people still have names steven 😭 #i feel like im going insane bc i have no one else to talk to abt it until my partner catches up #but you guys still think these seasons kinda suck right? like coming off of martha and DONNA and her AMAZING storyline #these just kinda pale in comparison right?????? #the last centurion is probably the last really good plot of that era imo. none of the other plots come close to having an ending that cool #like rivers story couldve been amazing and then it was just uh. kinda weird. a bit confusing IDK #i dont want to be a dick when talking to people and like shit on smth they love but i genuinely have a hard time #finding kind things to say abt a lot of this era #also and this might just be me but i do not like amy and clara v much 😭 theyre so fuckin mean and not even funny #why were martha donna and rose sooooo well written and they all have rich backstories. we know their fuckin families!! #literally its never even fully explained what the fuck happened to amys parents 😩😩 they just move on. the only friend of theirs #ever shown is fucking river??? as a kid?? #am i the only one who found all thay confusing

[variousqueerthings]

I note that I don't, and I never, was much of a fan of doctor-and-rose as romance, but that I -- rather than get annoyed at the romantic-coded scenes -- had a tendency to simply read them from a totally different perspective, and really maybe should have been a sign of sooomething different about me, that I continuously felt that the doctor's concepts of connection must be so alien, that to call it romance would be to diminish the actual Thing that they had, which was presented as such onscreen (to my mind then, now I realise what was happening, but I prefer what I had going on), which is basically that the doctor was a shell of a person, hurtling towards destruction (he would have died without rose in ep1), desperately lonely and sad and traumatised, and she retaught nine -- and by extension ten -- how to love the universe, at the same time as nine and ten taught her the same. (I think about the scene in father's day, where while they're arguing, rose says that she knows how sad he is, and he'll just hang around the tardis waiting for her -- she knew!)

and then on top of that with sarah-jane (which, I never watched the classics as a kid, so I didn't have that context for her beyond what the episode presented) it felt like that was sort of confirmed and made even more canon through this idea that the doctor is constantly mourning the inevitable deaths of their companions and would rather simply leave them behind at some point than watch that happen (and they've seen that happen before, although dying for a cause versus just... dying, because you die, while they don't, they just continue on and on, always seeking connection, always knowing that time will take them away, that's a whole other thing)

and then of course there's ten's... I would call it "sex appeal" because it's david tennant and with his performance there's immediately a bit of a focus on oh he's quite pretty and he faints/is knocked unconscious in both of his first episodes, and a lot more flirting, and the people want to see sparks or what have you... but the doctor as portrayed and written is still... not coming at it that way. yes yes girl in the fireplace but also, once again, doesn't work for me, because I find it soooo much more interesting that the doctor would imprint on A Life - and a life that they admire -- and speedrun the exact thing that they're most afraid of with their companions... that she ages and dies and it's the one thing that the doctor simply cannot stop

meanwhile rose is quite young and swept up in this whole massive adventure and very much reads the doctor not as an alien (frequently surprised by their alien-ness) and gets jealous of sarah-jane as if she's an ex, and renette as if she's... a replacement? but really it's more that the doctor met her at the point when she was about to accept her life as it was. not an exciting life, not a bad life, but always having to ignore the idea that there must be more to it than this. and the idea that she might be unceremoniously dumped back in that after seeing just how This the this could be, of course that's terrifying. and of course she's simultaneously taken with the dashing doctor and the jetset life, and worried she could be replaced, because to her the doctor saved her at 19 years old. in some ways the doctor created her (considering who she becomes after dooms day)

contrasted to martha who initially has a similar kind of experience, but the doctor doesn't meet her at the space she's in with them -- ten is leaning on her, like they did with rose, but not giving anything back unless kicking and screaming and traumatising her whole family. martha's trajectory is so so tragic, because she barely gets a taste of the splendor versus the horrors and the latter marks her for life. but she also knows to walk away from those overwhelming feelings, rather than give into them, she knows they'll never be rewarded and she also grows beyond wanting to be a crutch for the doctor (the fact that she then ends up as a soldier, well... ouch)

and then of course donna, who never has those fucking awe-feelings to begin with and whose connection with the doctor is explicitly de-romanticised but never placed on a lesser pedestal as if there's a hierarchy of alloromanticism. topples those pillars, never sees the doctor as anything but what the doctor is. good old donna. (sobs.) (but also... cautious hope for the specials.) (but also sobs.)

my point being. just don't buy alloromantic doctor, they're a near-immortal alien. it's such a dull simplistic way of reading their relationships to other beings. other point being. all those women who were making heart-eyes at ten, wish they'd met thirteen and had a... "yeah, this still works for me," moment. their horizons, too, are broadened by seeing More. (that or they realise they were never actually "in love" but just thought ten was a sexy skinny little snack and it blinded them.) (although jodie whittaker, too, is a snack.)

and lastly lastly ofc, is that if the doctor has a longterm (by doctor time measurement) intense relationship with anyone, whatever that might be called, it's the tardis. and that relationship is also so alien it cannot be quantified by human words for concepts

#im rewatching doctor who #doctor who #dw #aroace doctor #look im rewatching into 13 and beyond i am willing to entertain yaz and 13 because we enjoy a good bit of lesbianism #however will wait and see because the doctor in my head is so so aroace in every incarnation #they just manifest it in different ways #i could go into the whole eleven-and-river and how i feel about that #i am perhaps in the minority in that river's arc just doesn't work for me and often neither does her character #i kind of want to listen to the audio adventures because ive heard she's got much more to do there #than be a flirty enigma/sexy lady/moffat fantasy #but i can say that one of my least favourite things about moffat's run was how 'sexy' he tried to make everything #by literally just having people use the word sexy all the time and talk about bad girls and what have you #it's like sexiness as written by a straight teenage boy #and not a supposedly grown man writing for grown people #other minority opinion perhaps but eleven just isn't my cup of tea #am interested in how i'll feel going back into that run #dont like matt smith much dont like moffat much and dont like what they envisioned for the doctor and how they directed/acted the doctor #feel like capaldi had to claw the character back into some semblance of thematic coherency #i was never too much into especially ten getting a bit high and mighty with lonely god and the like titles BUT #waters of mars places that in a very particular context that makes it so so gooood #(another post for another day about companion opinions)

[dykemerrilll]

the thing is i think steven moffat is. to be totally honest. an absolutely brilliant writer and the themes he explores are ones i personally find more compelling (the doctor as a fairytale figure & the show as overt fantasy, notably). but his gender politics makes me want to screeeeeeeam

#its just this particularly irritating brand of like #whedonesque strong sexually aggressive woman wants nerd male moment #where Every Single interaction between men and women has to be Kinda Sexy #yknow? #and this is also kind of worsened by the doctor being still broadly asexual kinda #which tbh i personally think is a concession to the kind of people who got really mad about the movie kiss #with the result that it just makes alll the women he writes seem like sexed up vamps yknow? #being charitable there is a lot of really interesting stuff re amy and her desperate desire for escapism #its just marred by moffats rabid heterosexuality #caveat im watching s5 rn and i never fully watched 12&clara so im only talking about amy era

[ssaalexblake]

yesterday i slagged off showrunners who sell themselves more than their show and today i turn iplayer on and am met with RTD the doctor and me and honestly dude pls

#dw shit #kind of #pls just sell the show #i thought Moffat was bad #(literally he made me hate the show bc he would Not Stop Talking but he was amateur hour) #(you should never talk too much. to use sm as an example. innocuous jokes/comments IN the show #that were harmless by themselves were Not harmless in context of his words outside the show #had i not Known that it would have been fine but i Did know that. discretion guys pls please Please) #and yes i would hate this no matter which one did it i just want All of them to talk occasionally in interviews when it is pertinent but #only then #anti rtd #i guess but that wasn't Necessarily the point

[seveneyesoup]

episode was. fine. not sure why they set things up like the family ruby has is what matters and then also make a big deal out of her biological family. weird decision there but the stuff w coincidence and language and knots and rope. speaking my language there. definitely an approach to timeless child we’ll see how it shakes out tbh. also sideeying rtd a little bit over rubys mom. she’s only been in one episode and she’s shown to be not Necessarily a caring mother etc but still much closer to the mammy archetype than i would like

#idk. bc like i said she Has only been in one episode and when ruby gets taken she Is shown not to be interested in like. Caring For Anyone #not even her mom #and like. caring is a thing a person can be regardless of anything #it’s just. a character trait #and one common to doctor who characters it’s very much a show about caring for and about people #writingwithcolor talked about offset characters - specifically used this archetype as an example #and said that in order to show the caring as a trait of This Black Woman Specifically and not a trait of Black Women #have a character who is a Black woman who is for example ambitious and relentless #anyway. also a lot of the stuff about fostering felt kinda. feel-good #and idk a ton about adoption and fostering but i know it’s mostly not feel-good #keep thinking about that post. rtd family is something you come back to moffat family is something you leave #chibnall i Want to say family is something you’re distant from #but mostly i’m thinking about yaz and tecteun and mostly Not thinking about ryan and graham #hm

[doctorwhoisadhd]

okay. i just saw someone being like "WHOA STEVEN MOFFAT SAID A NICE THING???" about that thing where he said that using someone’s preferred pronouns is just common decency, and y'all?? we need to stop this

steven moffat is not a villain, he's not a bad writer, he didn't ruin doctor who or whatever, he is a PERSON which means he has the ability to learn and change and grow. and YES, he made some Mistakes during the matt smith era of the show. but like?? we all contain multitudes, no media and no creator is going to be perfect

steven moffat made it canon that the doctor has ADHD (check the link in my bio or hit me up for sources!!!). he wrote BOTH of the twelfth doctor’s companions as explicitly queer women, in particular bill, who was a black lesbian and from her very first episode was shown to have romantic feelings for another woman!

he was also literally the person who put time lords regenerating from a male incarnation to a female one in the show for the first time ever. both missy and the general (who in hell bent also confirmed that usually her incarnations were female. iirc she was the first cross-racial regeneration shown on tv as well, though i could be wrong?)

so, really. anyone who thinks him Not being a transphobe is, like, out of the ordinary at all? yeah. you have not been paying attention

#doctor who #dr who #steven moffat #rtd #dw #PLEASE CAN WE JUST STOP WITH THIS. #HE WASNT EVEN THE ONLY PERSON ON SHERLOCK MARK GATISS IS LITERALLY JUST AS MUCH TO BLAME AS HIM #honestly.... i feel like at this point i can tell like right away if u stopped watching before s9 tbh #cause so many people did and its always the same bullshit about how steven moffat sucks and its like #What makes u think this is the first time im hearing this. #people also like to conveniently forget the horrifying racism and fatphobia from during rtds era which is Fucken Annoying #(slightly esp the fatphobia‚ just bc im iirc the only person who ive ever seen talk abt it‚ whereas the racism is slightly more Known) #ari opinion hour #some bonff #oh yeah also #definitely rb if u want i would appreciate it !!

[13taylorswifts]

I genuinely liked the Chibnall era. Could it have been gayer imo? Yeah. But I actually like the timeless child arc. But people talk about the chibnall era/timeless child arc like it was the worst thing to happen to doctor who. Like, do you have a short memory? Do you remember the weird cringey shit that Moffat would have 11 do? Or sometimes 12?

#one thing imparticular that comes to mind is that time 11 was apparently naked around clara's family? what even was that #it just bothers me some parts of the moffat era....it was like. creepy. at times #and your biggest complaint is that the doctor was adopted and didnt have a great parent? #like there are worse parts of dw #and jodie's era is my fave tbh #not putting this in the dw tag cause....no. but. idk. wanted to get some thoughts out #like!!! #with rtd back now #he likes the timeless child arc #so im sure he will acknowledge it and then be like ooh nice #and ppl are just not caring about the timeless child arc rn #and idk talking to other people that also like the timeless child arc and the chibnall era would be cool #like were there parts of the chibnall era that were lackluster? sure. but not near as bad as the moffat era wtf is that #and there's parts of the rtd era i am v critical of so i hope his writing has improved #13 is MY doctor im claiming her lol #also seeing more of the renegade doctor would be cool hope we get more backstory on her at some point maybe? time will tell ig #not coming at anyone just my thoughts lol

[tacagen]

gotta say, the new dw intro really scratches my brain just the right way

#like. the instrumentation and reimagining is so beautiful #they added so many little things in there!! and its the most orchestral its ever been!! #gragrhghgrrrh I WANT TO FUCKING EAT IT #doctor who #all of a sudden. wow never thought id return to it #cause usually im a hater but that mightve been just chibnall + moffat apparently #honestly i watched the last 4 eps and somehow i dont want to trash the whole thing and i have no idea why exactly #maybe the subconscious respect for tennant and tate. maybe the lack of the master and active mistreatment from both writers and the doctor. #maybe chibnall's writing of the doctor's character was so off i just got used to it and gave up on the whole idea until watching new eps #honestly the fuck was spyfall 2. the fuck was timeless children. the _fuck_ was the flux. the _FUCK_ was potd. #and oh my god can we talk about how much it felt like chibnall was inspired by cw flash (/neg) all the way from s12 to the very end to me #he put the master in doctor's body and MADE THE PROCESS LOOK LIKE THE FUCKING SPEED FORCE i couldnt make that shit up in a fever dream #and thats just what i recalled first. like the very concept of the timeless child sounds like barry being the sf source/beginning/whatever #the fucking crystal flux dude being an enemy doctor didnt face on screen yet yet knows her THAT KILLS HER FUCKING 'MOTHER'???? #..ok that escalated from an intro appreciation quickly. anyway #turns out i actually still fucking love it! turns out it shaped me in so many ways as my first fixation and still kinda resonates with me

[thelifeofacactus]

cursed with the skill of media literacy

#someone said the eleventh doctor is the worst doctor #because moffat just wanted to write doctor who fanfiction #and now i can't unsee it #doctor who #cactus talks

[thebibliosphere]

I just read a post quoting Steven Moffat saying Sherlock couldn’t be asexual because there’d be “no fun in that”. I was wondering why Somerton’s “only the boring gays survived AIDS” sounded familiar. I remember how you talked about Moffat on the Ayesphere and was curious if you had any thoughts on this? The idea that people need to be ‘exciting’ always left a bad taste in my mouth.

From what limited interaction I’ve had with the man -- which included him making inappropriate comments about my underage bridesmaids who just happened to be wearing TARDIS blue dresses -- I think Moffat is a mediocre writer who draws almost exclusively from his own experiences, which are far more limited and not so nearly clever and worldly as he thinks.

He also completely misunderstands and mischaracterizes the characters of Sherlock Holmes and John Watson as pertains to the original source material, so anything he says about Sherlock Holmes needing to fuck to be exciting can be dismissed not only with a grain of salt but chucked full heartedly out the window.

You can create “exciting” stories that aren’t about fucking. To claim otherwise is to show your hand, not only in terms of your lack of skill as a writer but also in terms of your own emotional depth.

Yes, sex is essential for some people. It is a driving factor of their existence. It's a fairly large part of mine. But if you cannot grasp the need as a storyteller to examine the emotional and psychological aspects of sexuality beyond “person pretty, want smash” and belittle other people for wanting to explore other types of intimacy or exploration, you’re just a bit shit, both as a writer and a person.

There is more to life and human intimacy than sex. And I say that as the walking, talking stereotype of the greedy polyam bisexual kinkster constantly being driven to distraction by pretty people.

Like, c’mon, ace Sherlock Holmes using sex like trapping someone under a glass to get a better look at them is practically canon in Moffat’s own interpretation of him. He’s just so mad that the character could be read as anything other than heterosexual and meanly-clever like him to realize it.

[rosettyller]

one thing I love about the recent specials is the character of shaun Temple, and in turn what this reflects about Donna's characterisation, and showing how RTD understands her (she is his character) so much better than Moffat (who is a sexist, classist wanker, so no surprise).

The two vastly differing understandings of Donna are reflected through Donna's Happy Ending Husbands, Shaun and the one from silence in the library I will refer to as Bob, because I can't even remember if he has a name.

(disclaimer that i haven't watched silence in the library for a couple of years)

We don't see much of either of them, but it's clear Shaun is a good guy. He loves and supports Donna (and Rose!). He values her opinion.

Now, Bob. No hate on Bob, I'm sure he's a great guy too. Lots of hate on Moffat, though. He portrays Donna's ideal life as married to a guy who can't talk, so she can talk over him, never shut up, because she's always talking, having a go at someone, and now she's happy with a husband and kids who can't tell her to shut up.

This is just such a massive misunderstanding of Donna, and it annoys me so much.

There's this quote from series 4, along the lines of Donna "shouting at the world because no one's listen", which I think summarises it quite nicely. She's a temp, and no one gets her coffee. Lance wasn't particularly nice to her. For the first 30-odd years of her life, her mother was constantly nagging her, chipping away at her self esteem. The whole idea of Donna thinking she's no one is so prevelant in both the Runaway Bride and s4.

She shouts at the world because otherwise it doesn't listen to her at all, because she has to fight to be appreciated and valued, and even then, pre-s4, she still isn't listened to.

And Shaun listens to her and actually values her and what she has to say, instead of being unable to stop her talking constantly, enforcing her thoughts on everyone and not at all considering of what other people might want to say.

#i did not say this good but hopefully you get my point #doctor who #dw60 #the giggle #donna noble #shaun temple #anti moffat

[akajustmerry]

I haven't seen chibnall but I have a hard time imagining being worse than moffat. I'm sure it's possible but that man... he was bad. also out of curiosity what's the problem with eccleston? or did you just use his name as a reference for which era was rtd. feel free to ignore this if you like, I hope you have a good day!

hellooo!

look, you won't hear me arguing moffat wasn't bad but believe me Chibnall was worse. He wrote an entire sequence where the Doctor tricks the Master (then played by British-Indian actor Sacha Dhawan) into being caught by the Nazis, knowing what the Nazis would do to him. Like, the Doctor, presenting as a white woman, handed over the Master, her best friend presenting as a Brown man to the most notorious white supremacist regimes in history. And that moment was framed as a successful ploy!! As a "win" for the Doctor.

I'm sorry but, to me, Moffats fucking decrepit cringe Gen X Misogyny did nowhere near as much damage as thoughtlessly portraying the Doctor as someone who will literally use Nazism against a poc and framing it as clever girlboss behaviour. Like, it's not fun that these are the people we have to choose from but one of these things is not like the other.

As for the Eccleston stuff, I was referring to Christopher Eccleston's conflict with the BBC and by extension implied conflict with RTD. The full details of the conflict have never been fully made public but Eccleston has always maintained he quit the show due to the culture created by the show runners and producers. He's said he'd never work with RTD again. Eccleston implied that one of the reasons the relationship between himself and RTD broke down was Eccleston's desire for the Doctor to be a role model whose intellect wasn't inherently tied to being upper class English and had to really fight to use his natural accent. It's worth noting that the we wouldn't have a Doctor without an RP (received pronunciation) accent again until Capaldi. David even mentioned Russell's "enthusiasm" for DT to speak in RP not his natural accent in his interview with Jodie in 2020.

I want to believe that RTD has grown since the mid 00s, and perhaps this time around things will be different. But I think a lot of people point to Moffat as the worst because his bigotry is the most visible and easiest to critique. It's more popular and acceptable to critique sexism against white women than it is to critique racism and classism. But in reality all of these showrunners are white British men who have pulled white British bullshit and I won't stand for Chibnall and Davies shortcomings being scapegoated via Moffat.

Also, this is not a defense necessarily but a lot of people who hate moffat era who did NOT watch Capaldi's seasons and did not watch season 10 with Bill Potts. So their critique often lacks the perspective of Moffat's best season that proves he's capable of writing something genuinely compelling that's not gross and sexiest. Like it genuinely infuriates me when people talk about "moffat who" but they're only really talking about Matt Smiths seasons. Again none of that is a defence but it's just to say that most people who say Moffat is the worst are people who a) are really talking about Sherlock, which, fair enough that was shit b) people who just think 10th Doctor best Doctor and don't actually care about anything after that era in any meaningful way. Or c) people who have a pretty incomplete view of the series was and where it currently is.

omg this is long sorry I hope I don't sound rude I'm not trying to be I just have so many thoughts about this. I hope this answers your question, please let me know if I need to clarify anything <3

#anon #doctor who #/

[anncanta]

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@alma37

There is one more thing in the ending of ‘Dracula’, which probably seemed so obvious to me that I almost never said it. The point is that the final scene, the moment with sex, represents not only the expression of Dracula's feelings but – perhaps most of all – Agatha's own desire.

It's hard to explain. We saw those understandable coincidences (which are never coincidences, especially in Moffat's writing) in other episodes where Dracula drinks someone's blood. Just drinking blood is one thing, especially in order to satisfy physical hunger. Here we are not talking about hunger at all, and not about the process of drinking blood as such. We see two people between whom a very specific dialogue is going on. Very precisely and openly spoken one. A dialogue in which the words are so carefully chosen that no one is left in doubt about what we are witnessing.

Someone has already noted that of all Dracula's victims, only Agatha sees him in her dream, and more than openly in the finale. And we, I hope, will talk about this again. But it is important to remember that Dracula ‘gets’ out of his victims their secret thoughts and desires, something that they may not always admit to themselves.

Remember the conversation between Agatha and Jonathan? Jonathan is obviously ashamed of his dreams about Mina. This is clear from Agatha's words. If Jonathan had been ashamed to talk about these dreams, she would have said so, ‘There is no shame in sharing this with us. It is not only what you did in Dracula's castle that is important, but also everything you thought about and what you felt, right down to your fantasies and dreams.’ She literally says this when they return to her question about whether he had sexual intercourse with the Count. And then she suddenly drops her usual pragmatic tone and begins to talk about dreams as heaven in which we can sin without fear of being punished.

I think this is the same pragmatism, only in relation to something else – ‘stop being ashamed of your dreams and tell me about them.’ Agatha sees perfectly well who Jonathan is, and she understands perfectly well that if he decides that talking about something is wrong or ‘undignified’, he will never tell – even if she threatens to cut him into pieces. Therefore, she, like a smart investigator, uses reasonable tactics that will help her counterpart talk.

Jonathan's dream and its meaning are clear to Agatha precisely because she is looking from the outside. She doesn't notice her own infatuation with the Count – until she stumbles upon Mina's shocked look in response to the words that ‘Dracula is the best among vampires,’ and immediately corrects herself – ‘the most successful one.’ She can see a situation, though: Dracula gives the victim what he wants. And Moffat and Gatiss want us to remember this. Then this will be repeated several times, but not as clearly as with Jonathan.

In this context, by the way, Zoe's reaction is interesting. Dracula, just like with Agatha, is quite frank with her and, unlike other victims, drags Zoe ‘to his home.’ But there she reacts like everyone else – immediately manifesting her desires. ‘You are killing me?’ And, just like with the others, Dracula gives her what she wants, ‘It doesn't have to hurt.’

But let's return to Agatha. From what we've seen, it's clear that the ending is a gift for her because that's what she wanted. Whether she realized it or not, whether she thought it was normal or unacceptable, she wanted to make love to him. And he wanted it too.

That's why the ending is so harmonious. And so even those who don't like it conceptually often can't stop rewatching this part.

Such is the power of art.

#bbc dracula #count dracula #dracula 2020 #dracula bbc #agatha van helsing #dragatha #zoe van helsing

[ssaalexblake]

the number of people who think they're entitled to your time bc you like 13 is Staggering.

#dw shit #the ego going on here truly is something #the shit i've put up with the past 5ish years Only on This site #the one Least likely to get shit on??? #absurd!!! #be it the ones who're rude with insults or the ones who just rudely think they're entitled to Anything bc they have conflicting opinions #to you and Obviously you have to explain personally to Them the center of the entire universe #it's so tiring #no wonder you see tons of irl 13 fans and barely any online #it's bc y'all are Insufferable in ways you'd never do irl bc it's so deeply rude #and it'd be attached to your faces #anyway my rule is that i'll only consent to respond to any of the above if i receive a 20000 word essay on rtd's treatment of women over th #age of 25 and a further essay on moffat's insidious and dangerous biphobia #then i might talk to you about what you hate abt 13's run #anyway i guess the long and the short of it is you're all goddamn insufferable and toxic and we're all grumpy as fuck #bc that environment Will do that to people exposed to it for long periods of time #none of us owe anybody jack all #and yes we are kind of crabby en masse as a group but if you want to know why look in the mirror

[atopfourthwall]

Really? Don't get me wrong, I like the Doctor Falls speech more too but I'm genuinely surprised you didn't like the ZI speech and now I'm wondering if I wildly misinterpreted what it was about. Not to presume I'm an expert on your opinion just because I watch your show, of course, but the horror and pointlessness suffering of war and swearing to never let anyone feel the same pain they have feel right in line with things you love about hero stories, let alone Doctor Who.

The Doctor is attempting to defend a "peace" that forces the world to pretend that the Zygons do not exist, that they are not allowed to be themselves, and suppress their culture and identities. It's not even a matter of unfortunate subtext - the writer episode said in an interview "If you are being harassed and targeted and oppressed, you have to reach an accommodation with them." - Doctor Who writer "wouldn’t change" divisive episode | Radio Times If you want a real life equivalent, it's basically saying "Oh, I don't mind if you're gay - just don't shove it in my face." That kind of horseshit but worse because it also involves erasing memories. It's generic "WAR IS BAAAAAD" rubbish that ignores the actual POINT OF THE ENTIRE CONFLICT. And I'm sorry, Doctor, but there are legitimate reasons why you will go to war - that you HAVE to go to war. Invoking the Time War is especially idiotic with that - as if things would have been fine if the Time Lords had just tried to give peace a chance WITH THE GENOCIDAL PEPPERPOTS. I won't even get into Moffat continually reducing the nightmarish imagery invoked by RTD's era when talking about the Time War to just "Daleks and Time Lords shooting at each other and generic war stuff," but it's especially laughable when time and again throughout his history the Doctor has encouraged oppressed people to rise up and destroy their oppressors. No, no, the solution is just "maintain the situation that isn't actually working because apparently they've done this multiple times now." Him going "Oh, I forgive you for murdering a bunch of innocent people" is really kind of disgusting, too. The Doctor's morality can certainly fluctuate depending on the situation (because often it's not about universal moral standards but attempting to set a PARTICULAR situation right or just in some fashion), but he is not really one to side with the people killing innocents. It's why I his speech to Missy and the Master is SO much better - because it's a personal declaration of who he is and what he does and why, a character-defining moment and mission statement of who the Doctor is... although amusingly with both speeches: neither convinces his opponents. The reductionist, simplistic view of what war is and why war happens is bad and his speech is bad. And sometimes the alternative to war is worse than war. To quote another science fiction series, "Because sometimes 'peace' is another word for 'surrender.'"