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pizzaboat · 1 year

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I feel like Mike has become so insecure and lost himself so much over the past few seasons of Stranger Things

He used to sit as the leader of the group, he organised people together was the kind of friend who put his friends saftey and happiness above his own. Like stepping off that cliff for Dustin or pushing that shithead who was homophobic about Will.

Mike acted like the heart of the group back then and he seemed proactive in trying to protect his friends and be in their lives

But after all this stuff happened with the upside down and he grew more and more internalised homophobia Mike stopped acting like himself and started chasing what he thought he should be and really started idolising El to an unhealthy level as he simultaneously pushed himself downward

Like, El is his "superhero" and she's made it clear she doesn't even want to be seen for her powers and idolised like that. She wants to be accepted and to have the life that was taken away from her when she was little

He said in the van scene that he's afraid that El will wake up one day and realise he's just some nerd that got lucky and found her first when she needed someone

Which is an unflattering way to paint the kid in season one and two who was so brave and caring. Like he doesn't believe he has the ability to protect people and be a hero like her because he has no powers

And the thing is, Will then proceeds to comfort Mike and give him a speech where Will projects his feelings for Mike onto El. And Will tells Mike that he makes El(him) feel better for being different and that life is worth living because of that

Will was trying to tell Mike how much of an impact he can have on people's lives without powers, because Will canonically has been in love with Mike since season 1

And he fell in love with the boy who would do anything for his friends, and in his mind, did so much before all this to make Will's life better just by being in it. Will sees the Mike who would jump off a cliff for his friends

And he see's Mike as a more grounded version of a hero who can be loved and be tangible in people's lives and change them in the best ways. In contrast to how Mike see's el as a supernatural superhero just because she can move things with her mind-Will has a more earnest reason to love Mike

And just looking at how he's the night in his group's dnd party, and how Will paints him as this leader in his painting and explains how he leads the party into battle, it's really interesting to me that Mike has been inactive in this role as of late, and has a byler moment with Will where he voices his insecurities to Will, which are brought on when he compairs himself to El and thinks about their relationship... it feels clearly intentional by the writers

Mike, to me, seems like a bundle of insecurities since he's been bullied his whole life and is constantly being told to change by society. I really hope the show sticks with it and lets him take back up his leadership role of the group with a more positive view of himself. Because he's always been capable of being a hero

I really, really hope they don't just write him off as a one-dimensional asshole character because he's so much more than that

#stranger things #mike wheeler #pro mike wheeler #byler #el stranger things #jane hopper #stranger things analysis

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karmaspidr · 2 years

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I feel like this is pretty accurate

#stranger things #mileven #mike wheeler #pro mike wheeler #antibyler #anti stans #shipping meme #meme #eleven #eleven hopper #jane hopper #mike wheeler protection squad

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truessences · 2 years

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This is such a stupid argument...

Sighs... listen, I already think people unfairly compare Mileven and Lumax but the fact that people use the fact that Lumax "knows how to balance their friendships and their relationship" and Mileven doesn't and that makes them a toxic or unfit couple is wild to me.

The Snow Ball dance happens in December and Mike and Eleven have just been reunited for less than a month. Now, jump to S3 where it's June/July. They've officially been together for about 6 months.

But let's think about this.

So, December 15, they go to the Snow Ball dance. Then potentially on the 20th, they go on Christmas/New Years break till maybe January 2nd. So they could have spent some time together then, but it's Christmas and who knows what the Wheelers know about Mike's new girlfriend to let him do so.

Then he's back in school for like 8 hours for the next 6 months because most school spring semesters end early June. He would probably only have time to really see El on the weekends because he most likely wouldn't have time after school, especially if they still have AV Club, not to mention homework, and his parents probably not letting him be out late on a school night.

So, Mike probably only gets to spend extended periods of time with El during school breaks. Then summer happens and now they get to spend time together unfettered, but he still leaves and spends time with his friends because we are literally shown him leaving her house and going to spend time with his friends at the movies. We can probably infer that this is probably Mike's schedule. He's with El during the day at the cabin and then leaves to go wherever with the others. Potentially, if they're not hanging out around large groups of people, El could have been with them.

El did not have the opportunity to go to the mall/movies/arcade with the others. She was not allowed per her dad!

We also don't know how often Hopper allowed the others, besides Mike, to the cabin. We don't know how often he allowed her past the forest, outside of Dustin's welcome back party. Speaking of... Dustin got back in the morning... and they were with their friends all day till like 4pm.

We only get to see them together for one day in the show.

So stop acting like they don't know how to balance their friendships and relationships. El and Max became friends during that summer because El probably still didn't really like her or she just didn't get the chance... who knows. But it's not like Mike never hung out with his friends, we're shown that's not the case. Not to mention, we ALSO know that Hopper had rules for El, and going to places where there are a lot of people (which are places the Party clearly frequents) are not allowed.

So cut the bullshit. Lumax and Mileven are two different couples which I have said many times, they are both cute but unlike Lumax, Mileven didn't have the freedom of going out.

Lumax had the chance to thrive out and about while Mileven didn't have the chance. Also, Mileven was fine until Hopper couldn't handle his anger and forced Mike into a precarious situation.

Mileven is literally fine. So stop it.

#stranger things #mileven #mike x el #pro mike wheeler #like they did they best they could #it's not as if they never saw the others #y'all be acting like Mike never did anything else when we see him do other things #they were only together for one episode before the lie #get on my damn nerves #pro el hopper

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bisexualmultifandommess · 2 years

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Mike Wheeler did not spend an entire season worrying and fretting over El using her powers too much for you to all turn around and say he only loves her for her powers

#like it’s the farthest from the truth #even in season 1 when he was like 12 and thought it was pretty cool he still told the others not to ask her to do tricks #because they were scaring her #mike has made mistakes but the poor guy doesn’t deserve the amount of hate he gets 😭#stranger things #mike wheeler #eleven #eleven hopper #el hopper #mileven #mike x eleven #eleven x mike #pro mike wheeler

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jean45454 · 1 year

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Unpopular opinion: Just because Will Byers has PTSD and very bad luck with crushes does not mean that everyone in the show owes him something ESPECIALLY Mike. And it also does not mean that everyone has to do what he wants whenever he wants ESPECIALLY Mike. And it also does not mean that nobody else in the show has PTSD because they all probably do *cough cough* El, Max, Hopper,Nancy,Mike ,Dustin, Lucas and so on. And Will is NOT the main character of the show, it is El.

#anti will byers #pro mike wheeler #anti byler #pro mileven #i don’t hate Will I just hate his fans

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inutaffy · 2 years

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if mike wheeler has 100 fans i am one of them if mike wheeler has 10 fans i am one of them if mike wheeler has 1 fan i am that fan if mike wheeler has no fans i am no longer on this earth if the world is against mike wheeler i'm against the world

#hope this helps #stranger things #mike wheeler #micheal wheeler #pro mike wheeler #he's just like me fr ! (nerdy gay and moody)

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autistic-katara · 7 months

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i think in s5 they should make holly a big part of the story just so that she has enough of a character for this godforsaken fandom to make posts about how much of an asshole she is for acting like either a child dealing with what she dealt with or just like a regular ass child so she can join her older siblings in being Criminally Overhated for these stupid ass reasons

#idk i think itd be funny #holly wheeler #mike wheeler #nancy wheeler #pro mike wheeler #pro nancy wheeler #mike wheeler defender #nancy wheeler defender #wheeler siblings #stranger things #ryan shut the fuck up

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hideoussundemon · 2 years

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speaking as a diehard jopper fan, hopper and joyce’s relationship in season 3 was more unhealthy that mike and el’s has ever been but some of y’all aren’t ready to have that conversation

#some of y’all are doing too much istg #mileven is toxic?? please #whether or not they’re right for each other is a different conversation but some of y’all are acting like Mike is a straight up abuser #it’s embarassing #stranger things #Mileven #pro mileven #pro mike wheeler

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miaisagirllover · 10 months

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debunking anti bi mike arguments

"do bi mike truthers have evidence other than he dated el cause thats heteronormative?" the 70/30 spilt flowers being yellow and purple, symbolising his 70% love for will and his 30% past puppy crush on el. the hearts eyes he gave to el in s1 are near identical to the ones he gave to will in the van.

"why are you saying mike has bi vibes thats not good enough proof" no one needs proof for a headcanon. it has the word head in it because its in ur head. thinking someone is a certain sexuality due to pure vibes is fine. and no, we are not saying finn wolfhard has bi vibes, actors can have different characters with different vibes. richie from IT doesnt have the same energy as miles from the turning.

"if you think mike is bi then that means he WAS being homophobic to will in the rain fight" at that time, mike probably was extremely confused with his sexuality and was going through internalised homophobia (yes, bi ppl can go through it too)

#stranger things #st #byler #mike wheeler #bi mike wheeler #bi mike truther #mike wheeler is bi #mike wheeler is a boy kisser #mike wheeler is queer #pro mike wheeler

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purpleangelsele · 10 months

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Mike seeing all the hate towards him would be bewildered but also wondering why people care so fucking much.

Some people in the fandom be acting like they know everything about him. Even through Spotify lists that don’t even exist in his time. Mike seeing posts upon posts of people wanting him to be punched, to break up with El, to be broken up with, to be with Will, to be possessed by Vecna, to devote all his time to Will just like in season 2 when objectively he was at his worst emotionally. But yeah apparently they want the worst version of himself back in season 5. Makes so much sense.

He would be so disgusted and honestly bring up those posts so him and the rest of the party-especially el and will-could laugh at the absolute clownery👺

If you got offended by this…I wonder why🤔

#mileven #mike wheeler #pro mike wheeler #stranger things fandom critical

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pizzaboat · 1 year

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There's this thing as well with Will, where girls will flirt with him but he declines their advances.

It's super clear that being gay is something he's hurting over, and in the time's political climate he feels different and like a "freak", but because of the way he was raised and the love that was subconsciously engrained into him by Joyce and Jonathan, he refuses to be with a girl and do that to himself. It's not authentic to who he is

Mike doesn't have that, he was never encouraged to be authentic and he was raised like how I described in another post (so Mileven happened)

and he changed himself. Mike even says that he doesn't know who he is without El and that his life started when he found her in the woods. He has such a shakey sense of self and belonging that he clings to her and their relationship to have a sense that he's living his life right

Will has a strong sense of who he is for better or worse, and Mike just doesn't know who he is anymore

#mike wheeler needs a hug #mike wheeler #pro mike wheeler #will byers #will byers needs a hug #byler #stranger things #stranger things analysis

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karmaspidr · 2 years

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Reasons why I like Mike Wheeler/ Why he is a great person and deserves better:

He is kind.

He is very protective of the things and people that he cares about.

Struggles with emotions and may sometimes comes off as rude.

Always ready to risk his life for others.

Will admit when he is in the wrong.

Learns from his mistakes.

Is a great boyfriend to El.

He expresses his love through actions despite struggling to actually say it.

The universe is conspiring against him.

I will defend this boy with my life. I've never connected more with a fictional character.

#stranger things #mike wheeler #mileven #mileven is endgame #mike x eleven #character analysis #pro mike wheeler

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truessences · 2 years

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Mike Wheeler IS the Heart (part 2)

I had to split this into two parts because it was getting long but in this essay I will explain why I think Mike Wheeler is the heart of the party.

Part One Here

I do agree that Will's perspective of Mike will obviously influence the things he says, feels and thinks about Mike and that's including his "heart of the group" speech but I genuinely believe it past Will's perspective. I wouldn't even be writing this if people weren't calling Mike all kinds of rude names: Wet Sock, Wet Blanket, he's NOT the heart, he's the worst lol like I can't.

When I hear someone say "the heart of the group", what I think that means is someone who is depended on, someone who holds the group together, who may be the leader, who will do whatever they can to protect those they love. They aren't perfect and if anything, they may take their mistakes or things they couldn't succeed in doing the hardest. They are the ones that the others will look to in hard times or for answers and/or support. Maybe they make the final decisions or they're the ones who make the plans.

Mike (The Paladin)- Mike IS the heart of the party, as well as the leader.

I think this is shown in every season in various ways. In the introduction, we see him being the Dungeon Master, just as we do at the end, which indicates his role in the group of being the leader. Even when he tries to appeal to his mom to let them continue playing, Lucas and Dustin tell Will not to worry about his bad roll because Mike didn’t see it. Mike watches as his friends ride away on their bikes, to at least make sure they start their journey safely. He meets Eleven and immediately wants to help her, he goes right into caregiver mode, develops a clear crush on her, but that doesn’t change his mission of finding and saving Will, he just now has another person who could be in trouble. When he finds out she recognized Will AND has powers, instead of trying to “send her back to where she came from”, he welcomes her into their party and shows her a love she’s never experienced before, kindness- without expecting anything back from her. He’s also more willing to accept the things that Eleven tells him, he’s the most open-minded of the group. All throughout S1, he’s trying to accommodate everyone. Even though he and Lucas argue a lot about Eleven, he continuously tries to pacify Lucas’ concerns by telling him that she can help them and he wasn’t wrong.

Mike also doesn’t hesitate.

This is shown when he was prepared and DID jump off the cliff to save Dustin, he yelled at Eleven for hurting Lucas, he confronted Troy and his friend for laughing at Will’s memorial at the school. He reassures Dustin that he is also his best friend, there isn’t a hierarchy in his friendships. He told the bad men that they would have kill him to get to Eleven and he never stopped fighting when they were being held back. Eleven called for him. While Mike tends to wear his emotions on his sleeve, he also doesn’t talk about them as much as he’s prepared to take in others emotions and concerns. Even talking about them is difficult, this is shown when Nancy asks him if he likes Eleven, whenever Lucas or Dustin would accuse him of liking her, and when he tries to tell Eleven about his feelings and the SnowBall dance.

He has a hard time (this is a character trait) expressing himself sometimes. Being a creative writer, or a creative thinker doesn’t mean that the personal stuff is easy to share… As someone who is a creative writer, my emotions are internal and I don’t always share what I’m feeling but I’m the one that people do that with.

In season 2, Mike is depressed after seeing Eleven disappear before his eyes and he’s acting out but while doing that, he’s still attentive to his friends, especially Will, since Mike can tell that he is still being affected due to his time in the Upside Down. People like to use him doing this as this was when he was at best… So Mike was at his best when he’s supporting Will? Got it.

But no one cares that Mike was going through it, to see this kid, who is a good natured kid, acting out and NO ONE is trying to get to the root of it but here he is, giving all of himself to his friend who is also suffering. He needs someone to lean on but remains the person that others can lean on. He does share with Will a little bit and tells him they can go crazy together, meaning that Will is dealing with his issues of his "hallucinations" and Mike is dealing with sensing, missing and thinking he's seeing Eleven... they can go crazy together. That's all.

But he’s sidelined in this season because he’s playing emotional support. Remember when Will was possessed and Mike realized that he was tricking them to get those soldiers killed and without hesitation he tried to warn them? Remember how Mike covered his ears as his friend screamed that he was lying? Then in the shed sequence, which is one of my favorite sequences, he tearfully tells Will that meeting him was important to him, “the best thing I ever did”? Trying to find Will in the darkness, here is this 12-13 year old kid, trying to save his friend from the darkness while also fumbling through his own. THEN even after having a breakdown when he finds out that Hopper kept Eleven a secret (after that adorable reunion scene), he still is willing to fight the demodogs, it was his plan to lure the demodogs away from the lab so Hopper and Eleven could get to the gate.

Finally, FINALLY, he gets the thing he's wanted... to dance with Eleven at the Snow Ball.

In Season 3, sure, Mike and Eleven spent a lot of time together, but I don’t think they’re wrong for wanting to. They’ve cared for each other for a while but they couldn’t be together in S2 because Hopper didn’t allow Eleven to talk to Mike in S2, so he didn’t even know she was okay. But now they’re together and they’re happy. Yeah sure, he was a little ass to Hopper but Hopper wasn’t helping the situation. He’s so yelly. Then instead of actually being an adult and talking to these teenagers, he threatens Mike, who then lies to Eleven and is mentally beating himself up about it the entire season, and MIKE is the bad guy? When he hurts Will’s feelings, he immediately apologizes even though Will doesn’t apologize for calling Eleven a “stupid girl that Mike swaps spit with”. Mike chases after Will in the pouring rain to apologize for not taking his campaign seriously. He even noticed when Will reacted to feeling the Mind Flayer again at the beginning. Mike was the only one to tell Max to get away from the window after HIS plan worked to see if Billy was indeed possessed. He was the ONLY one who tried to help Eleven when Billy was attacking them. Even though they were broken up, he was still there for her to hold on to.

In the cabin, he was rightfully angry at the others for carelessly pushing Eleven to use her powers and potentially overexerting herself, he tells her she doesn’t have to do this, he tells Max that she’s being careless, but no one is on his side. The only person on his side this season is Lucas.

Mike accidentally confesses his love for Eleven while simultaneously trying to make a case for the others not to just USE her. When Eleven is attacked in the cabin, once again he acts without hesitation and he’s always the one she lands on. He’s got her. During the battle of Starcourt Mall, he is literally by Eleven and Max’s side the entire time. Billy attacks Max, Mike immediately charges at him, no hesitation.

Let’s not act like Mike was out of character in this season because he wasn’t all up in Will’s business every 5 minutes. I was glad for that actually. But this seems to be the reason why people are like “S3 Mike is the worst!” But he’s literally the same character, he’s just changing and growing up, making mistakes and choices like everyone else. He’s a round character! Hey may not get all the attention I think he should but that doesn’t make him the worst.

In season 4, Mike is in high school, his girlfriend and one of his best friends has moved away. He goe to California to visit Eleven and The Byers, but while there, he finds out that Eleven has been lying to him, trying to make him not worry about her, Will and Mike’s friendship seems to have drifted. Eleven feels unloved because Mike has a hard time SAYING it but he does it with acts of service, by bringing her the flowers she missed in her favorite colors while also WEARING her favorite colors. Without hesitation, he tells her that he says it. He even tells her without hesitation that he doesn't believe that she’s a monster, those people don’t know her like he does. When she gets arrested, he’s right there at the window, trying to get her to look at him, trying to reassure her that she’ll be okay, that he’s going to get her out. When she’s being taken away again, this boy senses the car with her in it (something that’s been shown many times), and chases after her without hesitation. When Owens sends his people, Mike is more worried about the ones in Hawkins, his family, and wants them to protect them, not the California crew. He and Will have a talk and he tells him that he didn’t mean to be distant, but having their group split up, having both Will and Eleven gone, it was weird. A nice small moment for Mike to share his feelings and for someone to listen to him. There are a couple of other times where we see Mike’s emotions clearly on his face but he quickly schools into a brave face when he notices he’s being watched. He’s trying to be strong.

So since this is already long and the van scene has had a ton of great pieces written about it, ( I can give my thoughts on it another time), but all I will say is this… just because Mike didn’t say anything to Will while he was crying doesn’t mean he ignored him. Mike who has been pretty attuned to all of his friends, I think has a good idea of how they are.

In the past, when Will was hiding, people didn’t notice something was wrong. Like it’s been said, Will is good at hiding and he was intentionally hiding his sobbing from Mike, his fucking head was turned, he tried not to make any noise and covered his mouth. Mike probably didn’t realize he was crying and even if he did realize he was crying, Will looked like he was trying to hide it… what was Mike going to do? “Hey.. why Will are you crying??” out loud in front of Jonathan and Argyle? I bet you that if they were at the Byers house, Will would have went into another room, or his own bedroom to cry so no one would see it. If Will wasn’t trying to hide it, then he wouldn’t have turned away, he would have just cried. He’s done it plenty of times in front of Mike. NOT to mention, he probably didn't understand why Will would be emotional because as far as Mike knows, Will was talking about Eleven not her and himself. Why would he know that? BUT ALSO, Will just gave Mike a pep talk, one that he needed to help reassure Mike as he’s done for literally everyone else who needed reassuring. So maybe, just maybe even though my heart breaks for Will, it’s not him that Mike HAS to be thinking about at that moment.

When Mike finds Eleven, after spotting her in the desert, he breaks when he gets to her. He’s been strong up to this point, dependable, he suggested going to see Suzie, he was the one reading the map… Now he can break. Only to go right back into being strong again, making sure Eleven has what she needs for her bath. Then of course his confession, no matter how cheesy, it meant something to Eleven and gave her the extra push she needed.

Mike is the paladin, what are they? Knights. What do knights do? They protect those around them. They are sometimes the ones in the front, leading the rest of the army, helping without hesitation. Even though Eleven is the one with the powers and ultimately leads the charge, Mike is right there with her, leading the others as the paladin, supporting the hero. And even though Eleven is the one with the power, she still turns to Mike for help and he does without hesitation.

Mike may not make all the choices that YOU think are right at that moment, but I think he does a damn good job for a teenager. He does not hesitate. He’s been supportive and strong of everyone that we hardly got to ever see him talk to anyone about what he’s feeling, he’s just expected to be on 100 all the time for everyone else. ESPECIALLY Will, since people seem to think that he’s a precious baby who needs to be coddled.

It’s not fair to Mike that so much is expected of him and he has to act like he has it all together�� but because it is and he doesn’t… that’s what makes him the heart of the party. The others will look to him when they need to and he has found a way to support them, without hesitation. I think that is the epitome of being the heart of the party. He's the emotional center, the one that everyone can turn to and lean on and he's always there when he's needed the most.

It's long but I had a lot to get out. This can go hand in hand when people also say that Mike is useless which is also untrue. So... yeah... tldr... Will is the eyes. Dustin is the brain. Lucas is the arms/strength. Max is the legs. Eleven is the literal power. Mike is the heart.

#stranger things #stranger things 4 #stranger things cast #Mike Wheeler #Finn Wolfhard #pro mike wheeler #mike wheeler defense squad #mike wheeler is the heart #Lucas Sinclair #Eleven Hopper #Will Byers #Max Mayfield #Dustin Henderson #mileven

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