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lightthewaybackhome · 1 year

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Stargate-Atlantis S5: E10 & 11 First Contact & The Lost Tribe

I've now seen enough SG-1 to be happy to see Daniel Jackson. 😄 I love him and Rodney working together. It's very like Ronon and Teal'c meeting for the first time.

Woolsey: Todd has less baggage with me than you. 🤣🤣🤣

Woolsey leaves Sheppard in command and says: Try not to blow her up while I'm gone. Why would you say that???

I'm always uncomfortable when the teams split up.

Sheppard saying Daniel and Rodney make a good team has to be him poking. He's too good at studying people to not realize they aren't working well together.

Daniel and Rodney are chuckling because they think Sheppard isn't as smart as them, but when things go bad, Sheppard is just as quick as Rodney to put it all together. I also think this is interesting considering Daniel's experience with Jack. Jack is good at what he does, but constantly requests the dumbing down of things and even admits he has no idea how the stargates work. Sheppard seems to generally grasp the science stuff and listens when Rodney is rabid fire explaining. So I think Rodney is giving him a hard time, but I think Daniel actually thinks he's as jockish as Jack, who Daniel loves, but still. It was an interesting moment.

I always thought it sad that Todd thinks Atlantis betrayed him. I mean, he's always coming up with layered plans that are almost betrayals, but it wasn't Atlantis.

I love that Ronon's first thing is arming Keller.

John sends Teyla to safety, not only protecting his people, but I think to command if he dies.

Also, there is a serious lack of Lorne in this episode .

Episode 11: The Lost Tribe

See! It opens with Teyla getting everyone to safely. Sheppard knows what he's about.

Sheppard bodily protects Radek.

Radek: we lost the control room. That is bad.

Teyla: we did not lose you. That's good.

😭😭😭

I love that you can feel the horror of the device through Todd's reaction to it. He's ready to do anything to shut the device down. Anything.

Sheppard leaves with the Travelers and, this time, has a chance to explain why he's leaving Teyla behind. He trusts her to lead Atlantis while he's gone.

When Ronon is shooting up the engine room, I wonder if Keller had a hard time not switching to Kaylee? 🤣

Daniel talking to the Asgard is *spoiler warning* when you watch Atlantis before SG-1.

Todd refuses Sheppard's offer to join forces, tries to manipulate Keller, sets the Deadalus on a collision course, and abandons it. Meanwhile, McKay and Daniel work together. Sheppard joins the Travelers. Ronan retakes the Deadalus. What Atlantis has, that Todd doesn't, that can't be beat, is trust. Trust in each other.

Ronon gets rejected by Keller. I honestly don't think him and Keller made a great pair. He needs a very special sort of woman.

Great two episodes.

Needed some Lorne.

#stargate atlantis #john sheppard #sga #rodney mckay #first contact #the lost tribe #sga s5 #currently rewatching #the team #ronon dex #teyla emmagan #richard woolsey #todd the wraith #daniel jackson

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atlantis-scribe · 10 months

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Hello! I think you've talked about how you think that Daniel should have been expedition leader instead of Sam in season 4 due to the military thing. So how would that change things according to you wrt plot, interpersonal dynamics, characters, etc? Would love to know your take on it.

'should have been' is probably a little too strong, since it's mostly because i love him and i want him in my house, but other reasons include:

i want to keep the expedition under civilian command. this is vital to me.

it would be nice to soften Daniel back because the last couple of seasons in SG-1 made him sooo jaded and military-like that i want to remove him from that environment to see what happens

i want a bit of reversal, in that it's now Daniel stepping into a place that used to be Elizabeth's and he's now the interloper who has big shoes to fill (Elizabeth is not there to see it but the audience - i.e. Me - can draw comparisons as a result)

the expedition needs a Daniel, in that he's a good way to expand SGA lore and the Alterans and also as someone who will Not Go Quietly Into The Night in terms of war crimes and harebrained Sheppard-concocted schemes

First Contact and The Lost Tribe have proven that Daniel and Rodney are hilariously brilliant together

i want Daniel's presence to push Teyla's character development by LIGHT-YEARS (like the opposite of dead wife manpain. he is alive and in her space and she wants to cause him pain because he is wrongwrongwrong)

things that are likely going to happen with Daniel in charge:

restructuring of the science department (to Rodney's immense displeasure and secret relief)

the great Daniel and Sheppard enemieship

maybe the resolution of the Michael plot line would've been better idk

we can imagine a great SG1 Team Leader to SGC base commander journey for Sam, as was her right

we may finally get the Sheppard Military Mutiny that I always wanted with Elizabeth (less nuanced because he and Daniel aren't friends, but still determinative)

i just want Daniel to say to Sheppard's face that disobeying orders is not anti-establishment praxis when he's still, you know, wearing a uniform

we would likely get to explore the city more because Daniel's at the helm and he has Priorities

Ronon is the only AR-1 member who (openly) likes him. this is PAIN for Sheppard and plain alien to Rodney (Daniel and Ronon bond over memorializing Sateda)

MORE. ALTERAN. LORE.

#i'll stop here lest i spoil some of my wips but #it's really because i love him and want him in my city #hopefully with jonas and nyan in tow #daniel jackson #ask #books-space-things

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hero-in-waiting · 6 months

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Too 5 SGA episodes 😇

OHHH THIS IS DIFFICULT OKAY. OKAY.

hide and seek this is the first time we really see who rodney is, and who he can become. when he's walking down those stairs and into the cloud? like, he has to know how much it might not work. but he still does it as well. and the beginning of the episode?!?! where he and john are just like two kids. we also get to see a little bit more of the athosian culture, and shout out to aiden throwing himself into danger to save stackhouse.

tao of rodney rodney shows his true colors here when, without prompting, and WHILE HAVING TURNED OFF THE PSYHIC ABILITY, figures out what each of his friends wants and he gets it for them. rodney isn;'t bad with people, hes just never been around people who didn't mind sticking around for his prickly edges to be sanded off.

millers crossing JOHN CONVINCED A MAN TO KILL HIMSELF TO SAVE RODNEY AND I WILL NEVER BE OVER IT

NEVER!!!!

daedalus variations this is the Most Team Episode of all episodes and i love it. its just them, trying to get back home. and i've already broken everyones hearts over my thoughts on the dead team. rodney doing his best to make sure teyla gets back to torren. rodneys arms. but its just such a good, fun, sci-fi, team episode. we needed more of these.

the last man listen. i wrote a 50k fic based around this episode. rodney thinking that john alone could solve all the problems and save all their friends? like, come on. and then john dealing with the knowledge that his team is all dead but rodney didn't leave him behind?

special mention: the prodigal bc teyla gets to yeet michael off the tower. echoes bc its a cute date night gone wrong + ghosts. lost tribe/first contact bc we are missing daniel and rodney sassing each other for another 3 seasons damn it.

....i had emotions??? apparently???

#SO I HAD SOME FEELS WITH THIS #UR WELCOME #MAYBE #ask game

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dedkake · 2 years

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it could’ve started like this: a mcshep get-together per episode

91/100: the lost tribe | emergency lights, g, 1k

Rodney could stand there in the doorway for hours, following the lines of John’s naked back, memorizing the twist of his fingers in the sheets, the glinting chain of his dog tags draped over his neck, the way his hair is spiked terribly where it’s pressed against the pillow, his head turned towards the wall. He’s almost tired enough to do it—almost. Part of him is rational enough still to realize that that would be a terrible idea.

read it on ao3 | entire series & notes

#stargate atlantis #mcshep #my fic #it could've started like this #sga first contact and the lost tribe #sga the lost tribe #how did this one get to be so long #who knows #they're just being cute again #cute and tired

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yukadelavega · 7 years

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Stargate Atlantis Viewing Party

First Contact & The Lost Tribe

5pm edt // 9pm gmt // 10pm cet

Saturday 25//03

Host: Connie.

https://atlantis.infireal.com/login

Message for password.

#sga #sgavp #viewing party #stargate #first contact #the lost tribe #look at all the fun woolsey is having #bffs #join us!#@daytimestorms

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jbk405 · 6 years

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Y’know, this rant’s about ten years out of date, but I’ve got to get it off my chest: I am not happy with the way Stargate Atlantis wrote the defeat of the Ancients by the Wraith 10,000 years ago. It just doesn’t make sense.

As introduced and explained in “Rising”, the SGA premier episode, the Wraith are supposed to have technology that “rivaled” the Ancients (The Ancients’ own words). This doesn’t necessarily mean it’s superior -- or even directly equal -- to Ancient technology, since it’s also established that the Wraith had vastly superior numbers in the war with the Ancients, but to say the Wraith ‘rival’ the Ancients then it’s got to be at least in the same ballpark. However, as shown throughout the series, the Wraith not only aren’t in the same ballpark as the Ancients, they’re not even in the same sport. They’re so far behind that it’s not like comparing a jet fighter to a prop fighter, it’s like comparing a jet to a glider.

Hell, in some areas the Wraith are even technologically deficient when compared to the Goa’uld, the technological scavengers who were outpaced by modern-day Earth after only eight years of research and development. Wraith hyperdrives are less efficient and slower than Goa’uld ships, and they seem to lack any frontline military shielding technology. As we see throughout SGA, an attack that a Goa’uld Ha’tak literally shrugged off without concern in their first attack on Earth (SG1 “The Serpent’s Lair”) is capable of disabling (Effectively destroying) a Wraith Hive Ship in one hit. There are some areas where the Wraith in fact are more advanced than the Goa’uld, but still....come on.

Much is made in the episode “Underground” of the fact that there are at least 60 Hive Ships throughout the galaxy, which is certainly a threat to the resource-strapped and isolated Atlantis expedition, but once we see how (relatively) weak they are it becomes almost laughable to think that this force defeated the Ancients at the height of their power. During the Battle of Antarctica in “Lost City” (SG1 season 7) a single Ancient chair platform was shown to be able to destroy thirty Ha’taks in a single stroke, so I cannot help but wonder why sixty Wraith ships should prove at all difficult when you add in the extensive satellite defense network the Ancients were known to possess. You can also add whatever mobile units they had; with their power I can’t imagine it would take more than five Ancient ships to destroy the entire Wraith fleet.

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As SGA continued and this clear preponderance of power became obvious to everyone, even the writers, they started writing in explanations and justifications for how it happened. They had stories about how the Wraith used cleverness and trickery to out think the Ancients, who had become complacent in their power. They implied that the Wraith at the time of the war had much greater forces that they have disposed of in the intervening years after resources became scarce. Ultimately, it was revealed that the Wraith used stolen Ancient technology to rapidly increase their numbers and overwhelm the Ancients unexpectedly. Etc. But none of these really work once you examine them critically: Yes the Ancients were arrogant (This is a recurring theme of the series), but the war lasted for over a century; eventually they’re going to lose enough of their overconfident leaders to attrition or even old age and have new blood coming in. Yes the Wraith may have built down over the past 10,000 years, but unless we’re talking a factor of a hundred then even their heavier forces back then should have been laughable compared to the Ancients. Yes, they used stolen ZPMs and cloning chambers to rapid-breed footsoldiers, but frankly this is the least-worthy explanation because footsoldiers don’t serve any function in a space war. As presented, I simply cannot accept the Wraith as having defeated the Ancients in any sort of pseudo-equal confrontation. Not as a clash between two empires.

What they should have done was never give the Ancients an empire in Pegasus in the first place.

As established in SG1, the Ancients who first came to the Pegasus galaxy were refugees. A plague had swept through their civilization in the Milky Way (Possibly unleashed by the Ori), and after trying many different pathways to a cure (Including time travel) they realized that they could not prevent their own demise. Many of their number Ascended in this time, many more succumbed to the disease, and finally the last of them took their cityship and fled. I bold the word “fled” because it needs to be clear that this was a last-ditch hope to save their lives, practically done in a panic, and they even left behind their own people who had been infected. This wasn’t a planned colonization or exploration of a new galaxy, this was them staring at their own extinction and trying a Hail Mary pass to save something of their society. Add this to the way they had already started to Ascend back in the Milky Way, and the Ancients should have already been on their way out when they arrived in Pegasus.

After settling in Pegasus they should have turned their efforts to Ascension en masse as the inevitable next step. They know it’s possible, and it’s the goal their society has been working towards for millennia. Now that they’re out of the pressure of the plague threat and imminent death it should have been the focus of their scientific and philosophical development, and precluded the sort of wide-scale settlement and resource exploitation which lead to a galaxy-spanning civilization. They could still explore space to seek knowledge for knowledge’s sake, and they could still seed stargates and human evolution on planets across the galaxy as a means of legacy and hope to have a successor to follow in their footsteps after they’re gone (They did as much in the Milky Way after the plague using the Dakara device), but why would they build new cities and regrow their population when they’re already in the process of leaving this plane of existence? They could retain Atlantis itself as their home, a place to pursue Ascension and to guide the younger races in their infancy, but why would they need more?

In this way, when they encountered the Wraith and the war began, it’s not a galaxy-spanning civilization facing the monsters, but the last lingering survivors of a single city. Without the resources to construct a fleet of Aurora-class battleships, or the population to crew them even if they could build them. Without the ability to absorb even light casualties or replenish them to learn and adapt to combat. Already suffering from a bunker mentality since they were planning to abandon this existence anyway, so they’re hesitant to try any daring or offensive actions.

Now the Wraith vastly outnumbering them makes sense; sixty ships is quite a lot when you only have one or two, instead of a fleet. The Ancients being unable to adapt to the war or emotionally prepared to accept the bloody costs required makes sense if they’re already a dying people who’re expecting an imminent peaceful end. In this scenario the Wraith wouldn’t be the species that kicked down the Ancients’ door and beat them up, but would instead be the ones who came and smothered them in their sleep, which lines up very well with the species as we see them throughout Stargate Atlantis.

This wouldn’t just help justify the backstory, it would also explain a lot of individual episode plots as well. Throughout the series the expedition keeps stumbling across desperate, half-completed, and hastily abandoned off-the-wall scientific gambits that the Ancients were trying to find some way to defeat the Wraith. Unstable power sources (”Trinity”), exploding tumors (”Sunday”), genetic engineering (”Tao of Rodney”), time travel (”Before I Sleep”), hyperdrive disruption (”First Contact”/”The Lost Tribe”), MiniDrones (”Harmony”), etc. Given how these all seemed so slip-shod and rushed into service, something which the characters themselves remarked upon, it makes much more sense to think of them as springing from unsupported and desperate research carried out in rushed isolation than as products of a wide-spread and fully-functioning R&D civilization.

If they hadn’t felt the need to hype up the Wraith as THE Big Bad of the franchise, treading very heavily on their legacy as the ones who Defeated the Ancients to emphasize their threat, they could have had a much more logical foundation for the series. They could have told many of the same stories without any modification, and not strained credulity when this supposedly unstoppable force kept being stopped. The Wraith still could have been shown as a dangerous and powerful adversary, given credit for overwhelming even the weakened Ancients given just how advanced the Ancients were, just not been sold as having somehow used analogue sticks-and-stones to defeat a nuclear power.

Alas.

#Stargate Atlantis #Stargate #SGA #Wraith #Ancients #Lanteans #Atlanteans #technology #Backstory #Writing

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