#you know just bughead crumbs

[livelovecaliforniadreams]

#you know just bughead crumbs #but ill take it #bughead #bughead edit #bughead edits #betty x jughead #jughead jones #betty cooper #jughead x betty #riverdale #lili reinhart #cole sprouse #gif #gifs #gifset #7x15

[thetaoofbetty]

So after watching the episode, i was lost.

But here’s my take on it:

The whole season 6 “Dale” universe was simply because Vale Jughead still loves Betty (gonna ignore him saying he wanted to save Archie too.) and the fact that he called her to save her from the bomb explosion is the fact that Vale is dripping into Dale as they said- that’s a crumb that i’d like to take and cry over.

Betty isn’t ready to admit she still loves Jughead as well, I’m assuming because she’s with Archie and doesn’t wanna hurt his feelings (?), but polly is all wrong cause she never fell out of love with him.

Now we just need her confession to Jughead about how bad she feels about betraying him back in high school and regretting that kiss with Dumbass red head.

sorry, love, i saw this earlier but i got distracted by work (rude of it, really).

i think it's weird people expect betty to offer up her feelings all of the time...she took 6 episodes to even ask if she and archie were dating.😭 and even then, did she only do it because of the pregnancy scare? she never even told archie she saw her own aura, right? lots of vague, "i'm evil, i just know it" and in the end, her dead jesus-sister had to do some sort of weird absolving (god this storyline is stupid) just to make her think she wasn't damn near the devil himself.

polly is creepy to me tho. i dunno what it is about her like this? it's a vibe. but then again, polly is pretty cult-y and those are vibes i really don't mesh with tbh. kevin tho...sign him up.

and yeah, everyone but bughead has talked about their past. they really should. but you know, i'm gonna give the girl some grace when there's 3 jugheads and an apocalypse on the way.

also, i have this song stuck in my head and now i hope at least one of you suffers with me now. love you bye.

#besos! #anonymous #riverdale spoilers #riverdale speculation

[godheadjones]

So what do you think Riverdale's angle is with the random BH flashbacks and the implications it could have on Jabitha?

oooh this is interesting

first i wanna mention the potential jabitha ilys in 6x21. i think that they may be in regards to jugheads past feelings about betty. like after they learned that vale jughead might possibly still be in love with betty which is why jughead would say “im not going to leave you.” i think tabitha can be really self-cautious when it comes to jughead loving her fully which might lead to the ilys scene

moving on. the montage over toxic of jughead thinking of past bughead moments. ive seen lots of theories that that is vale jughead but its not. bughead existed in vale too “..my ex-girlfriend living with my best friend..” narrator jughead about barchie in 6x01. in my recent post scrolling i saw a lot of points from @jabitha-endgame that jughead isnt remembering in joy but in pain or regret. and yeah i agree those werent happy thoughts he was looking through her box and saw the covers which made him think of the past. betty and him had a terrible breakup as he says directly in 5x10. hes happy with someone now, but his ex-girlfriend has said “hey can you look into my repressed memories of what i think is my dad grooming me?” and jughead cant just say no like he still wants to help her in her struggles. but watching those memories must have brought up a lot for jughead, which is why he was thinking of the bughead scenes

i think that riverdale writers did this because they wanted to show a little bit bughead crumbs sure, but in the art of the showing, i think it was just to make jughead self-cautious in his own feelings, but after getting that text from tabitha immediately after the bughead flashes he was at peace and said “thank god i really miss you” right after she said “wrapping up be home soon” which shows just how much he misses her. i think these bughead scene are all scenes he himself also had repressed because he didnt want to think of the first girl he loved as someone who cheated on him and didnt care for him but in sifting bettys mind and they came back and it just made him question his own romances

as for what impact the flashbacks of bughead might have on jabitha i think i already voiced: jughead has these scenes on his mind and thinks of when times were simpler and tabitha definitely feels uncomfortable when bughead is talked about in the past because she doesnt know if jughead is gonna leave her for his first love (actually she does lol) but even if she knows it still hurts and i think she definitely worries about it a lot. with ilys coming up, and after vale ethel was like “your still in love with betty huh” tabitha definitely looked to dale jughead weirdly. i think that their ilys and the “im not going to leave you” could be in regard to jughead dying or jughead leaving tabitha for betty

#sara asks layla answers #laylas opinions #riverdale takes #b*ghead takes #anti b*ghead #jabitha takes #jabitha #wow this took forever to do #but I stand by everything said

[fyeahvarchie]

I was so surprised we got some Varchie tonight even if just in small doses. I love the whole be careful RONNIE and the I always am Archie. Even though I am afraid it means bad things will happen to Ronnie next episode.

Also even if I don't ship Bughead (I like them but I don't ship) I think it was kinda nasty from the writers to add the whole "forgive yourself for falling out of love with Jughead" like what the hell was that? We all watched season 4 and we never saw her fall out of love and therefor cheat on him with Archie? What kind of retcon was that even? They really are cruel to Bugheads and they shouldn't since just like Varchie and Choni the writers themselves built them together for seasons. Do you feel the same?

Very short, but sweet.

In an episode that was plot heavy, they made sure to have VA interact nonetheless. It might seem like nothing, though that's crumbs you follow as a viewer -- especially after everything that went down in regards to Veronica's feelings.

Regarding BH, yeah I don't know. They had Vale!Jug literally compromising everything in order to save her. With Ethel having a nervous breakdown because he's still in love with Betty.

So like-- I guess in some weird way, they balanced it out?

It's not like Betty said anything though. Or even agreed. At this point, every side of the fandom can take what they want out of this. As always, I guess. We all view things differently.

#ask: riverdale

[heiterbroward]

#TangsIsAPlague

Um, so to start off, let's address the fact that Jeronica are being consistently portrayed as pathetic this season! V is pining after Bald meanwhile Jarhead is making up Bughead edits in his head. The question is...why? Like why still? Is stuff like that supposed to be a Bughead or Varchie crumb? Bc at this point, it would only count as such if it came from Barchie's pov. Why can't they just drop it and let Jeronica actually move on? Jughead ignores Tabby for weeks on end, and V is worried about who's endgame during the apocalypse. Like um, ladies...snap out of it!

Kinda just seems mean-spirited at this point, too. Like Roberto Sasquatch is bitter bc they had to do 4 seasons of BugVarchie since he was too much of a coward to go against fanservice for the Bughead stans. So now they have to rub it in every chance they get and make Jughead and Veronica (mostly Veronica) look like fools. I mean, look at her performance in this ep...girl! Can't even defend that, sweets. Most cringe since her rendition of "Carry the Torch" when she didn't know who it was about. And she's gonna go on about "I'm a glorified party planner and have no social life...but I'm fighting for my friends!" Like how do those things go together, V? It's true, everyone only goes to you when they need something. Someone please get this girl some actual friends. She's having a nervous breakdown! Here's to the ladies who lunch! Please have mercy on my girl during these difficult times.

And it's all to overcompensate for their bad writing and lack of build up for Barchie in the first place. Their s5 plot made no sense. Archie chose Veronica in the Next to Normal ep and even wanted to be just casual w her before he even considered Betty, just like how he chose a chance to pursue a married Veronica who may not even be interested over pursuing something serious w Betty. Do I think this should have even happened? Not really. Varchie never should have even been a thing after the time jump, and they should have just started w Barchie and given Archie's "love triangle w Chad" plot to Reggie. But Varchie is what they chose to write, so...they can't just act like things didn't happen how they did. And this is from someone that genuinely did and wants to like Barchie as a couple, but the story they're giving them is only good if you make it up in your head - if you just ship the IDEA of Barchie instead of paying attention to what they actually say and do on screen. It's obvious that Betty is and always has been in love w the Scarlet Beast, but when will he show anything toward her that is strictly romantic and can't be interpreted as just a deep love and friendship bond? They are best friends and there is a sexual element, but where is the romantic element? He's never been afraid to wear his heart on his sleeve in the past. I disagree that Betty is the one holding back. Archie didn't dump Veronica specifically for Betty (which would have been more meaningful). He was just certain that he wanted to stay in Riverdale since he gave up on his individual desires and wants to exist as the thematic embodiment of Fred. But is he certain that Betty is the one he wants to build a life with? If so, I would like him to demonstrate that instead of it just seeming like he decided to give it a go bc they both decided to stay in Riverdeuce.

Another thing is why do they have to act so high and mighty about killing Percival? Hiram only stopped after he was dead. Nothing but death can stop these types of all-powerful, relentless villains. Plus, not everyone has the privilege to be so morally perfect, valuing principles over people. Archie is lucky that Grenade Heather knows Sabrina or else his reluctance to kill would have just resulted in the deaths of half the townspeople. Is it not worth getting a little blood on your hands to save the people and town you care about? I'm sure the show will find a loophole where they won't have to kill him and can win anyway, but still! Meanwhile, Betty just killed someone last episode. I hope his morals aren't too black and white for someone like her bc I don't want her to be on pins and needles, worried about fucking up bc Archie will change his view of her if she does. And if he doesn't, then he's a crypohit!

Anyways, like Toni finna be rude as hell to V all last season then come ask her to plan a last-minute wedding? Da fuq? And ask Cheryl to officiate? She was highkey a jerk this ep! Omg and Fangs' vows? It was like half a sentence, girl, and u had to write it down? Does anyone even like Fangs anymore? I feel like ya'll just liked him bc of Sweet Pea and when ppl pretended to care about Kangs. Told yinz he should've stayed dead in s2 that one time!

P. S. I think everyone died at the reception bc they all thought back to V's performance and just couldn't take it. Also, why were everyone's outfits so ugly this ep? Js.

#riverdale #barchie #bughead #varchie #choni #jughead jones #archie andrews #betty cooper #cheryl blossom #veronica lodge #jabitha

[itisred]

Us cheronica shippers are a different breed man

We know they’re not endgame and we do not care

You don’t have to call us clowns, we already know and wE CANT HELP IT

Like y’all arguing barchie or bughead and we’re still screaming over how they named they’re rum business Red Raven

We take our crumbs and don’t say SHIT

Y’all don’t know riverdale crumbs until you ship cheronica

Anyway cheronica supremacy (even if just as badass friends) and cheronica nation may we still live

#cheronica #cheryl blossom x veronica lodge #Cheryl blossom #Veronica lodge #they’re endgame in my hEART #riverdale

[petalsmooth]

 “I know the fans are always, at least from what I hear, are always searching for tiny little crumbs to get whatever they can for how the characters interact,” Cole Sprouse told Decider. “So it’s nice to actually give them a tasty grilled chicken dinner every once in a while.”

Translation: No season long arc to reunite Bughead and wildly misread the minimal interaction had previously because otherwise wouldn’t note this as a standalone treat.

“I also think from a panned out perspective, Rivervale’s narrator was a really fun, tongue in cheek way for the writers to connect directly to the audience. Tonally, our show has shifted quite a bit throughout the seasons, but it’s always kept and maintained a semblance of its own insanity, and campiness, and soapy quality, and it was fun to play a character that acknowledged that in any great or small way. So yeah, I hope so. I like the talking directly to camera. I like the poking fun. I liked how tongue in cheek it was. It was just an enjoyable experience.

I wish they would keep it. RD is better in this vein where sort of mocks itself and Cole is great in this role.

“Oh my God, Erinn is such a pro. She’s so awesome to work with. We’ve had such a great time. She’s so professional, so nice to everyone on set.”

Notices he says on set. Meaning not just the higher profiled actors or producer or director but implying everyone.

“When she and I work together in our scenes, the days just flies. It’s incredible, especially when you’ve been doing it for six years now, it’s also just refreshing to be acting with someone who came in on season five and is learning about the world at the same time, the world of Riverdale that is.”

Basically story was stagnant...routine...Erinn comes in without cynicism and routine of 4 years and attitude is far more positive and energetic imo. Also, just generally adores her.

“Jughead and Tabitha’s relationship is really beautiful. As opposed to Betty and Jughead’s relationship, which was this really passionate and hot and cold and up and down throughout the seasons, Jughead and Tabitha are this really beautiful, tempered domesticity that you end up seeing from super healthy relationships as you age.”

Volatile. Juvenile. Teenage angst, us against the world...would die if you die...except not really because she cheated on him after he died but hey...vs Cole flat out saying his relationship with Tabitha is non toxic, healthy, adult and...beautiful.

Note he provides contrast between the two relationships and while he does use passionate for Jughead and Tabi by saying repeatedly how deeply and well they care for each other’s well being...how healthy they are...he only uses beautiful for Jug and Tabi. Bughead basically are chalked up to teenage angst and lust.

“ I know that that Erinn and I wanted to portray that. Someone like Tabitha who just really, really cares for Jughead in a tempered way and is passionate about making sure he’s okay, and Jughead, who is passionate about making sure Tabitha’s okay, and vice versa. So it’s really nice. It’s beautiful and real, and the way that we’ve been playing it has been really enjoyable, and working with Erinn is always my favorite day of the week. “

Their passion is directed to making sure the other is safe, and happy and ok through tempered or real reaction like pulling a blanket over the other or cooking a meal vs highly theatrical displays that ultimately meant nothing because obviously...Betty just wanted to jump Archie no matter how many windows he climbed for her, how many times how died, how many beanies he shared with her.

He’s also implying a character like this who truly cares that he is OK has been absent on canvas and a new element that has entered his life since she arrived.

“ I don’t track too much about the show generally online, but I hope that people are seeing that in the caring for each other, in a less wild way that perhaps the previous seasons did for Jughead. I love the supernatural quality to moving in together, too. That’s so Riverdale. I just think it’s so much fun. “

Betty giving a speech about Jughead being heart and soul of Riverdale is all well and good but it was coupled with her keeping her options for another man child and ultimately what Jughead needs isn’t someone who pouts over him getting accepted to Yale and trashes her dad’s grave because she doesn’t or ditches him when struggling with alcoholism but someone who is supportive and doesn’t think less of him if he stumbles and helps recover just because she believes in him and he knows she isn’t going to turn a wayward eye or abandon him at first sign of struggle or weakness

“ Episode 100 is really a love letter to the audience who have stuck with us throughout the years, and a love letter [to] where we came from “

I.E standalone event and throwing a bone.

[thatiranianphantom]

Warning: negativity under the cut. I am polite and do not put negativity blatantly in the tag for people to see. So if you're looking for a happy, anticipatory post about 5B...I mean, you may want to look elsewhere.

So, the premiere is tonight. And I wish, I dearly wish I could say I was excited.

I used to be.

I was actually really excited for S5 to start, it was a fresh start and I could look forward to my ship starting together and making their way back.

And then.

They exploded every couple.

They upped the most boring plotlines.

The characters are functionally exactly the same as adults as they were as teens.

They invested entire episodes to characters that truly, truly, nobody gives a shit about.

They have backburnered Bughead and failed to realize that the ultimate "it's coming!" payoff is useless if we don't actually have anything to watch in the episodes.

They put Barchie together. Yes, it was brief, and yes, it meant nothing, but it was absolutely, positively not necessary. I fully do not think "they just needed to know it was nothing". They weren't even friends. It was nothing long before this.

More than that, the craziness, the wackiness, the magic that made Riverdale Riverdale has just been sucked from this season. I have never seen more people defect. I have never seen loyal fans more discouraged. I feel like I'm watching out of obligation and not because I actually enjoy it. All the characters I am bored by or don't enjoy have their storylines turned up to 11, and the one thing I watch Riverdale for is glacial (well, two things. As I said, the crazy fun nature of the show is gone).

Yes, it may come back. But that really doesn't change the fact that this has occured, and I feel more than a little resentful at watching a show that may someday get better or have payoff.

And nothing about 511 makes me think it'll be anything more than an infodump with some crumbs.

#Riverdale #Bughead #TIP speaks #Honestly truly ignore this #This is just me venting frustration

[bettyminicoop]

My thoughts on episode 6-05 and further development of the plot. There are a lot of negativity and raw thoughts, so I hide them under the cut. You don't need to read this. But I need to get that out of my head to think more positively.

Why I still think episode 6-05 will have a Bughead wedding.

I highly doubt Episode 100 will have a BA wedding. Because if this happened, then the infamous Twitter account would have been jumping for joy for days. But they just said that everyone would like it, they did not single out anyone. And they said that there are many good things for bughead. They literally wrote "I don't single out ships, I just liked the episode." - a bit of a conservative estimate for BA wedding.

So, BA's wedding in Episode 100 means closing BA and returning to the old ships. (Because let's be honest here, BA has nowhere to develop after the wedding. They won't survive married for a whole season - there is not much to see). We know this is not happening. And BA will continue after returning to DALE.

So I really think it will be Bughead wedding (especially since RAS said we would love the episode very much). But it also means that this will be the closure of Bughead, which is very likely, considering that we are left with JT, BA, VR. I am not saying that Bughead will be closed and buried. But after being slapped in the face by a musical, JT's kiss before the fire, BA and JT's mutual approval, and probably a couple more heartbreaking scenes in upcoming episodes, RAS will be obliged to strike a fatal blow. Kind of like the darkest time before dawn/rebirth. What could have a plot meaning. But we're talking about Riverdale here, so I don't really have any positive expectations. I refuse to play a game where I have to watch the bullying and absolute destruction of the most enjoyable moments of my beloved ship, for the sake of a two-minute reunion in the last episode.

Also. I'm not so sure of this speculation anymore, but I'll leave it here as a thought. I suppose episode 100 won't have much to do with the Rivervale arc. It will be a filler episode like the Pussycats and Hiram episodes. With a slight hint of a general plot at the end - a cliffhanger that takes us to 6-06, Riverdale. So I guess we won't actually get out of Rivervale until at the end of 6-06.

Episode 100 will be Bughead episode. Because they robbed us in the fifth season, they did not give us significant things for a long time (exception 5-17) and for a long time they will not give anything meaningful. Only crumbs that can be interpreted in any way - from the most positive to the most destructive meanings. But they need to make us watch. And a happy married Bughead in time loops will definitely not interfere with the development of BA and JT in Riverdale. But it will make most of the audience happy at least until March.

They promise us fucking love triangles after hiatus. Let's guess? B/J/A, V/A/B and B/J/T. Unbelievable how original. I'm not going to watch this. Let them enjoy their ~200K views on Sundays. An enchanting failure of the show, which in its second season was watched by ~1,500k viewers.

I'm here for Bughead crumbs that other bughead blogs are sharing. And I'm going to return to watching when BA and JT are completely destroyed. I just can't watch it.

#riverdale speculation #riverdale negativity #riverdale spoilers #anti b*rchie #anti j*bitha #rivervale

[andsmile]

I'm sorry but the only time I've ever said "this was nice" after sex is when it was awkward and I wanted to leave as quickly as possible honey I just... pick a different crumb, b*rchies.

i mean... the problem i don’t think was the sex because they obviously enjoyed it, but that after scene? their heads were somewhere else (especially archie, we knew he was thinking about veronica and chad) and they weren’t talking, they were so spaced out and just physically there. bughead and varchie ALWAYS had so significant pillowtalks.

and the... “this was really nice” was just......... i don’t know, not what you say after mindblowing sex lol. the difference between that scene and their first one...

#anti b*rchie #shakygrounds #reply

[fyeahvarchie]

Veronica dies to save him and not Betty? I am cackling. Just one tiny crumb my ass. Veronica I love you but I sat through this entire pointless season and I’m gonna need you all to wrap up the nonsense now. I’m a Bughead/Varchie fan but I’ve always had more hope for Varchie. I’m happy to hear that at least part of my master plan is finally moving along!

Slowly but surely.

I was talking about it yesterday, but if starting 618, we get consistent Varchie crumbs/interaction with Veronica's feelings in plain sight.

Now that's what we call an actual build-up.

What it builds up to? I don't have the answer. But it's a very clear path they've crafted for Veronica/Varchie.

Though we know a swerve can always happen.

#ask: varchie

[arsenicpanda]

1.) Sorry for wasting you time, but I just saw another user say the Jabitha kiss was slowburn. That Jughead telling Tabitha in other words he wasn't ready for something new wasn't the nail in the coffin for their ship. If that was the case would've said he wasn't interested. That he'll finally overcome his trauma and get to a healthy place to enter a relationship with her.

2.) I already know that Jughead admitting that he never recovered from their split and him hallucinating her apologizing and seducing him were crumbs to signal that we're on our way back to Bugheadville. But I was curious to know your take? Any smidge of hope? Or nah, the writers threw us a bone with that kiss and that's all we'll ever get? 

So, before I give you my full take, I’m gonna give you the tl;dr: there is a 99.9% chance that the show is done with jabitha, and their friendship is equally likely to be over in terms of screen time.  Riverdale doesn’t do friendship, and Riverdale has foreshadowed bughead endgame since 1x02.  And jabitha isn’t a slowburn because Riverdale doesn’t do slowburns.  That’s it, that’s reality when it comes to canon.

BUT that doesn’t mean we can’t create content!  Write a fic, write some meta, draw some art, make a fanvid, make a gifset, make icons, review, reblog, etc, etc!  Fan content is one of the best parts of shipping, so let’s get out and make some!

Now, for the Official Take:

If I had to guess, I’d say that the purpose of the jabitha relationship was to have a way to bring Tabitha into the cast, give Jughead a friend, give Jughead a “romance” to turn down as a way to show he’s not over Betty, and also have an opportunity to create a 2x06 Toni parallel because Riverdale loves nothing so much as a parallel.  Not that I think the parallel was a good idea or that they executed the “not over Betty” part well, but I think that was the intent.

As for how it worked, let me say that post time skip 5a--and especially 5x10--sends the most mixed goddamn messages.  Because if I were to view it in a vacuum, as a season unto itself--which is what it would have been originally--I would 100% assume they were heading to jabitha land with the lingering shadow of bughead as a roadblock.  We got a lot of Jughead and Tabitha content and not a lot of Betty and Jughead content, after all.  Most notably, the way Jughead specifies that it was the breakup he’s not over and the placement of Jughead turning her down with that weird “as your ~friend~” being before the trip sequence where he calls her his muse, tries to dance with her, tries to kiss her, and has that bondage line is so goddamn weird.  What it suggests is that the break up (and Jughead’s subsequent toxic romance) are problems but that Jughead’s attraction to Tabitha is very much real.  And then there’s that hallucination sequence, which can definitely be read in a bughead-negative light (e.g. his relationship with Betty is paralleled with his other toxic relationship with Jessica and then sex with Betty makes his trip go seriously sideways, this is a bad sign for bughead, etc).  In context of just the time skip, I would assume that this is set up for the two of them getting together later after Jughead deals with The Betty Issue.

In context of the past 4 seasons of bughead, I’d say that the Jughead and Tabitha stuff was a weird, unnecessary detour and we are obviously heading back to bughead land because they did their Polly investigation parallel in 5x09 (notably the one episode he didn’t interact with Tabitha, and isn’t that telling) and the hallucination sequence can be read in a bughead-positive light (e.g. his relationship with Betty is contrasted with his toxic relationship with Jessica, he says he forgives her, this is a good sign for bughead, etc).

Obviously, the bughead one is going to be the canon one, but it is a very bad sign for the writing that there is a disconnect there.  Riverdale isn’t much in the way of consistent, but the relationships have always been pretty consistent.  But then here 5x10 is, speaking out of both sides of its mouth with the bunker scene, and it confuses the shit out of me.  It’s so unnecessary to do and such a waste of time to do unless they want to do something with it later, but they definitely won’t, so I just...ugh, infuriating.  Make it make sense.

#asks #i-shall-believe #Riverdale #Riverdale season 5 #jabitha #long post #I swear to fucking god if I see anons peddling my official take to other bughead blogs #with the intent of having those blogs tear my take down #I will lose my goddamn mind #my thoughts on Riverdale let me show you them #originally fucked up and tagged this as anonymous because I'm so used to anons orz

[alexzalben]

Hey Alex it's so frustrating how the bhs have boycotted the episode truly in my opinion it was one of the best written in a long time and all the stories were engaging and it had me hooked , I loved Toni and Choni and even a little sprinkle of Barchie crumbs this episode it was all so beautifully written and produced so truly well done for that , but I just wanted to put this out there that I hope the rating won't affect anything because Vanessa deserves this after fighting for it for 3 years and so does the Choni fandom for waiting that long to have this much screen time and implactful story between them and even the Barchie's deserve this after waiting so patiently for 4 seasons , I just hope you know those fandoms deserve better and I hope this doesn't affect that because knowing them personally they are the most peaceful and quiet respectful fandoms and I hope they don't suffer or the show doesn't because of what the bhs have put it throught 💕

Thanks for writing, and two thoughts about this:

1) A fanbase is often broadly characterized by a few louder voices. I’m suer there are Bughead fans who watched and loved the episode, and some who didn’t, and then some who said they were boycotting.

2) Ultimately, we control the things we can control. That means yourself, and your own behavior. Support the things you love, and lift ‘em up. For example: seeing everyone tweeting #tonidale was sweet and fun! That’s great. It’s hard to sift through negativity sometimes, but wherever you can, focus on that.