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one of my favorite things ever is steph roasting other peoples costumes

#stephanie brown #batgirl #robin #red robin #batman #batfamily #batfam #dc comics #dc #spoiler

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I would personally like to thank Rian Gonzales for everything these covers have given the StephCass community 

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Some StephCass text posts

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Batgirl (2009)

#dc comics #DC #batfamily #batgirl #stephanie brown #cassandra cain #stephcass #damianwayne

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panel redraw at a different angle; from Urban Legends #6

they hold hands

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ok but this should be their dynamic

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They are so FUCKING CUTE

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friendly reminder stephanie brown isn't a ditzy dumb blonde girl like dc and a lot of fans think of her as. She just uses humor as a coping mechanism for her trauma, much like all the other batfamily members do.

#im so sick of people thinking humor is stephs only personality trait #shes a dork but shes not stupid!!! she uses it as a coping mechanism #stephanie brown #dc comics #dc #batfamily

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Robins - It sucks. But how many are surprised?

He can’t even get their origin stories right. Which for this specific project should’ve been the first thing researched.

Tim Seeley gave Dick, Tim Drake’s spiel about Robin AGAIN, because this isn’t the first time Tim Seeley has gotten this wrong–months apart, but he just never cared to correct himself on an inaccuracy and double downed on it. Not a thing good writers do.

Like come oooon. He’s such a bad writer for the Robins. It’s like he did the research a few years ago but couldn’t remember it well.

It’s like baby’s first fan fiction, not from a guy who’s worked for the company for years. Why does DC set their standards so low? If someone showed me this, they were a fan let’s say, and this was their first fan fiction. I’d be proud of them and give them pointers on what they got wrong. Like which trait belongs to which Robin and such. They’re just starting after all.

But this…this guy is a veteran writer now…this is embarrassing. I feel embarrassed reading it. Second-hand-embarrassment is this things tone, and not on purpose…

Wasn’t Robin Dick’s mother’s name for him? And here they got Dick saying he didn’t know who made it. (Though, maybe they mean as an actual sidekick? But I feel like that should be specified given the name and the role have two different origins as far as I’m aware.)

It’s all written like Tim Seeley was given a summary of the Robins and looked through a few things but didn’t know for sure where what traits belonged. When…he’s worked with the company for years, and has even written all of these characters previously.

Like straight up Tim Seeley said Tim Drake DEMANDED to be Robin. I don’t think Tim Seeley researched Tim Drake AT ALL. 

(Unless he’s still under the belief that Tim still has his New 52 origin–but he’d have to be so blind to stuff happening as he worked for that company for that to happen. But I guess regardless that’s just also adding to that second-hand-embarrassment thing I was talking about.)

Tim Drake went to Dick for DICK to be Robin again, and only chose himself to be Robin after Dick wouldn’t do it. He didn’t go in there DEMANDING for it cause it was his dream, it was his dream, but that’s not why. It’s literally written as so in Tim Drake’s origin. I think he even says out loud he didn’t come to them asking to be Robin.

Then Tim Seeley acts like Jason LIKED doing crimes and was a bad kid. When he became Robin because HE TRIED STOPPING A CRIME AND BATMAN SAW THAT AND ADMIRED IT.

THAT’S IN HIS POST-CRISIS ORIGIN STORY TOO. SO DID TIM SEELEY NOT READ THAT EITHER?

And the story is so cheesy, and thinly written on top of that. It’s idea of deep would embarrass even children if they’re self-aware enough. I don’t see any one going away like “Ooooh, the character!”, because they’re all so flat. They go around saying their issues…but the issues don’t actually match the characters. Tim Seeley just started randomly applying stuff to them.

I feel a series like this, is only good, and what I think it’s actually trying to be, if it’s a character study. But you HAVE to legitimately know and understand the characters to do that. Tim Seeley doesn’t seem to understand these characters at all besides the thinnest of traits.

The main reason I can’t say what they did anything wrong about Damian? Cause all he says is “I WAS BORN TO BE ROBIN”. He’s just one trait–”asshole”, which I get is a common Damian trait, and probably his main one to most, but that’s so one dimensional, and they are all. That’s more of a trait then Tim or Steph get I guess. But when I can’t complain a lot about him, is because he’s just so barely written at all is just horrid. Tim Seeley sort of does that thing where he gives Damian a childish interest that’s so random again (in this case chocolate cereal. Which isn’t much, but isn’t he specific about his diet? It’s one of those things that are so small, but still just show enough that Tim Seeley isn’t the man for this kind of job. Like why even bother doing something so small you should be able to tell right away isn’t right?), but I guess it’s his way of being endearing? When to me it’s just like–dude, just write the characters as they are. Stop being weird about it. They have their own personalities, stop randomly adding stuff and swapping it, it doesn’t work.

I guess they do say Damian’s the only one that thought of Robin as a training thing but…Dick did too lol. That’s why he took Robin away from Tim, who did not think of it as a training thing. Which contributed to that whole awkward piece of comic that everyone makes out to make at least one of them (most often Dick) a villain. (Not saying Dick should’ve done it, but, anyone that acts like he’s a villain needs to rethink what a villain is.)

Steph they treat like she was given the role, and not just–literally asked for it and only got taken abroad to make Tim jealous (or something to that effect, cause it was around then the writing in the Bat-Family really got bad. Batman stopped being a caring figure, and just an emotionless freak). It’s a bad storyline I know, but from what I’ve been told, that IS what happened. Like they say Tim demanded it–when he only asked cause Dick wouldn’t and he was the only one there, but won’t say Steph did–when she’s the one that actually DID demand it. But…why?? I think Steph lied to Cass about what happened–but that’s not what actually happened. Bruce didn’t choose her. It’s like when Dixon would act like Tim didn’t go right to Bruce’s face, and was chosen randomly instead.

Tim Seeley even gave Dick the Dungeons and Dragons references, when Tim Drake is the one who played that game. Tim Seeley has no idea who’s interests go where going off of this.

Weirdly enough on the art side of it though, Tim Drake is the only one I think is drawn well–which is a positive in it’s on way, but not really, cause that still implies everyone else is drawn bad. 

Actually no, I looked back at it before I nearly hit “post” and I take it back. It really depends on the panel. The artist gave them all these weird tired eyes that I just do not like.

In costume they’re fine, but they second they’re out of costume they’re…just weirdly drawn. Imagine the most basic white girl, and that’s how they drew Stephanie. Jason they make look psychotic (is he okay with what happened now or is he not? I feel like they went back and forth on this). Dick is just–they just drew him really weird.

It’s not good art, that’s all I can really say.

I know some people say it’s all up to the artist what they look like, but honestly, there really was a time they tried a lot harder to be consistent, while keeping it in their own art styles. They just stopped caring a while ago, and that’s about it.

They brought back my favorite Timmy Drake costume! Which is cool to me…but if it’s the only place he’s wearing it…then it doesn’t really fit continuity wise, which sadly makes it’s inclusion, as much as I like the costume, not good. I can’t pretend otherwise, cause that wouldn’t be very honest of me.

Like look at it like this, the writing regardless of the characters is really bad, it’s thin and messy, it gets no where till the last few pages, it seems to try and be deep but fails miserably, and spends too much on an opening fight scene that isn’t particularly exciting, the characters are written totally inaccurately making the point of the comic to begin with null, and the art is sloppy at best. It is just a horrendously put together comic. That’s the simplest way I can say it.

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eula has two hands and they are for amber and yanfei

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Just Cass imagining ghost Steph holding her in her arms

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Girls that should kiss: Stephanie Brown & Cassandra Cain

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Some old works to mark my first post here

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cass and steph