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Round 1, Match 1: Gu Xuanyan vs Wen Jing

Match 1 is between Gu Xuanyan (shixiong: Zhong Yan) from My Junior Still Hasn't Killed Me vs Wen Jing (shixiong: Jun Yanzhi) from Who Dares Slander My Senior Brother

Propaganda under the cut

Gu Xuanyan:

Gu Xuanyan transmigrates into a novel as a background character who witnesses the villain, Zhong Yan, commit his first murder. They end up dating & Gu Xuanyan is one of the few people supporting Zhong Yan, a demonic cultivator, unconditionally.

Wen Jing:

Okay, this is technically more shidifucking than shixiongfucking, but still...

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Just saw your MDZS thing and I half agree and half not. Like, on the one hand, I think it's absolutely justified (though I don't generally support any torture, but this is fiction and...it's Wen Chao...), but on the other hand, it's not supposed to be black and white??? MXTX clearly wanted her readers to understand the cruelty of this moment. Wei Wuxian was so traumatized he became kind of twisted, at least with the people who massacred the Jiangs. But even though we all know WWX is NOT the evil overlord that the cultivation world thinks him to be, he is not meant to be seen as someone who can do no wrong. He makes mistakes! Some of the fault does, in fact, lie with him! He's not 100% sunshine boy! And THAT'S OKAY. In fact, him being complex is WHY he's such a good character! And it boggles my mind how people will go to any lengths to make him perfectly innocent and pure in everything (rather than being traumatized and human) while also vilifying Jiang Cheng and Jin Guangyao and Xue Yang and whoever else. Like, the latter two obviously did really bad things, worse than WWX, but they are very obvious mirrors to WWX. Xue Yang grew up an orphan on the streets. If WWX hadn't been rescued by Jiang Fengmian, he might've turned out the same way. Jin Guangyao was consistently denigrated for being the son of a prostitute. WWX also faced classism (to a lesser extent) for being the son of a servant (which Yu Ziyuan and Jin Zixun used against him). And don't even get me started on JC. People will go to any extent to vilify him when all of his actions make sense as someone who is also human and flawed and traumatized. Does this absolve any of them of their actions? No. But it does explain them. And just because someone does make mistakes doesn't mean they deserve to be hated and condemned (unless they're Wen Chao, who didn't make mistakes but who instead had an entire personality dedicated to being horrible. Pretty sure he's the only one who MXTX wanted to be a straight up bad guy, though if you can give me evidence to the contrary, feel free). Readers thinking in black and white and condemning other characters for xyz actions without trying to understand them while holding up WWX as a shining beacon who can do no wrong miss the entire point of the novel and do disrespect to WWX himself. Anyway... There's my rant over. Feel free to ignore this if you want, haha.

I’m not completely sure what you mean in regards to “half agreeing and half not” tbh. It seems to me like your disagreement lies with vilifying other characters when the main character is a morally complex character, which was my point? The morality policing was specifically what I was criticizing in my original post? Because, like, I agree with the broad strokes about Wei Wuxian and other characters’ moral complexities and grayness. 

My point was that, even if justified or understandable, the torture of Wen Chao was horrific and brutal, and I don’t completely understand how anyone who DID read the novel (which I understand not everyone has and/or has a different interpretation) is willing to harass actual, flesh-and-blood people over liking a character when the main character has literally tortured someone. That’s it.

I actually made my original post after a bunch of Jiang Cheng antis (who I do actually like talking to and seeing their opinions when they’re not harassing others) found an Aroace-spec Character Tournament poll with Jiang Cheng and were incredibly condescending about it. Which is honestly better than the death threats and threats of violence and doxxing, but it did hurt more than it probably should have to have people so unwilling to even TRY and see why I, and others, connected to Jiang Cheng, even after reading the same book that made them hate him. 

Seeing a character say, “Hey, what you did was not okay. I know why you did it, but it doesn’t change the damage you caused. I do not forgive you." to the main character was something that I needed to hear and see. It was something real, even if it might not be justifiable or “correct.” I like Jiang Cheng not because I think he’s always in the right or a perfect person, but because he’s not. And it’s fine if people don’t like him or think he’s the scum of the Earth or whatever, but I also think that prioritizing the debate about a character that doesn’t exist over actual people is cruel and unjustifiable. Ultimately, I do not care about any fictional character as much as I care about how willing people are to be so unbelievably inhumane for just disagreeing with them. 

And, somehow, this also ties into my opinions about the torture and killing of Wen Chao. I don’t think Wei Wuxian was unjustified, per se, for punishing Wen Chao, but I do think it was wrong in the sense that the action itself is wrong. It’s not a “WHOOO! WE KILLED THE BAD GUY” moment to me but a moment showing the brutality of war and a literary mark of descent to the “single plank bridge.” As someone else said (and so many more have probably said), it was fucked up, and acknowledging it was fucked up doesn’t mean Wei Wuxian is a “bad person” or a character you CAN’T like (paraphasing). It just means acknowledging that the act of torture itself is fucked up, no matter who does it or who it’s done to. Comparatively, sending death threats and threats of violence and doxxing is also fucked up, no matter who the other person is and what they’ve said. Putting a fictional story and character - no matter how much they may mean to you - over actual people for often no reason is fucked up. 

But yeah, I think “just because someone does make mistakes doesn’t mean they deserve to be hated and condemned” is one of my favorite aspects in a lot of web novels. I like that characters have “bad aspects” that while I may not condone IRL, including them make the characters… characters. That the “person” (character) is more important than whatever “bad aspect” they may have or mistake they might have made.

Anyway, I hope this clears up what I was trying to say lol. Not everything I wrote was meant specifically because I think you don’t agree or to argue with you, but to get my opinion across properly. I feel like we’re broadly saying the same thing, even if I’m not sure if I agree or disagree with the finer points like “Wei Wuxian might have become like Xue Yang.” Sorry if any of this comes off as aggressive, btw; it's not meant to be, but I lose my fight with tone everyday.

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Okay about the ask I just sent you about MDZS, you can totally ignore that. I don't ever talk to people on here about MDZS because, as you have said, the fandom is...not the best, but in light of that, you can just ignore it if you don't wanna, well, engage with fandom discourse. What you said just reminded me of all the bad takes and I kinda went off, even though you meant it lighthearted. So, sorry, lol.

No, I do like talking to other people about their interpretations lol. It’s just. It feels like almost every time I make a post talking about MDZS with even the slightest sense of an opinion, someone always has to come and “correct” me, usually being really rude about it. And even when they’re seemingly being well-meaning like you (not that you’re “correcting” me or anything lol), they’re shadowboxing with the larger fandom opinions instead of talking to ME. It feels like we’re not actually having a conversation, if that makes sense? 

I want to compare interpretations and see how others viewed the novel. That’s a major point of fandom, in my opinion. But I just can’t stand discourse where there can only be “one true interpretation,” and we’re just pointing at each other saying, “I’m right, and you’re wrong.” I understand the whole “we can have different opinions about a character, but at a certain point, we’re talking about different characters entirely,” and I just. Don’t Care if we end up having different characters. One of my favorite things about stories is the hundreds, thousands, millions of different characters that appear from a single canon character. My favorite thing is meeting these different characters, even if I hate them. The point of fandom, to me, is about how we change canon, not replicating it almost identically to “stay in canon.” 

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Web Novel Sapient Animal Bracket

["Anti-Propaganda" is NOT allowed. Please be courteous and only give reasons to vote FOR a character.]

Da Qing from Guardian

Fat black cat rights

Niú-xiōng / Rain Master’s Ox from TGCF

Type of Animal: ox

Submission: He is a hard worker and helps the Rain Master out with being awesome. 

Wiki Link 

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Related to my previous reblog, I don't actually have that many REAL interactions in any fandom, but I am hopelessly biased due to my favorite interaction ever. I just. Made a (pretty much joke) post about how ppl can think whatever they want, but I found it funny how strictly the MDZS fandom would criticize side characters with comparatively less brutality in a story where the main character made someone cannibalize himself and had another character bite off his dick (or however it went specifically), and some random person I had never seen before in my life just dropped several paragraphs justifying torture. Just a whole, "this was a justified punishment" type thing for some reason??? Which, like, sure, whatever, I eventually got where they were coming from, but the complete tonal shift and confidence to just start arguing(?) with some random person blew me out of the water. I had fun, but is nothing - not even cannibalistic dick jokes - sacred??

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The manhua option is there because I've served my time in the MDZS trenches where you get (or at least used to get) killed for people just straight up misunderstanding your posts all the time. I am not about to give free ammunition for 10,000 manhua lovers to appear out of nowhere and obliterate my notifs.

Though, also, tbh, the SVSSS fandom is weird enough that all bets are off anyway lol (said with affection)

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