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newtonsheffield · 3 years

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Hey, Molly!! Role reversed Benophie as Willabeth AU how 'bout THAT? As in Benedict as Elizabeth and Sophie as Will

You have some nerve showing up here with an ask like this. My word.

Literally couldn't help myself. I'm such a Sucker for Willabeth and teenage Molly was the HUGEST Pirates of The Caribbean fan. Like, to the point where my Mum confiscated the DVDs for a short period of time. And, if anyone's wondering, yes. Kate saying "At least once more." in Menace was a POTC reference.

Okay!

Maybe it was selfish, because many a boy of 18 would be thrilled to be out on the open water with his father and brother, but Benedict had always hated it. Hated being trapped on the boat, nowhere to go, nothing to do but listen to Anthony talk about what an excellent naval Captain he'd be one day and complain about the girl who had stood on his foot at a dance 3 weeks ago. A menace apparently, was Kate, though both Benedict and their father had both noticed that every time she'd been in the vicinity since, Anthony seemed to be glued to her side.

"I'm not in love with her, I barely know her. I just think she's very witty and intelligent." Anthony was scoffing now, with a soft little sigh. Benedict rolled his eyes, sliding away from his brother, further down the ship, watching the seagulls fly by in the open sky, watching seaweed float past him, barely noticing Anthony mutter, "Maybe when we get back next week, I could ask her to promenade with me." as some driftwood floated by. The water seemed to be giving it an odd, smouldering appearance, smoke drifting off it. Benedict leaned further over the side of the ship, desperately curious suddenly. And then he saw her.

A girl, not much younger than him, maybe his sister Daphne's age was lying on a piece of driftwood, her blonde hair strewn about her as she floated from the wreck of a ship he could see in the distance. fire licking at the destroyed hull. "FATHER!" Benedict roared, his father's head shooting towards him, serious suddenly after having been rolling his eyes at his elder son for the last few minutes, alert at the sound of Benedict's distressed voice. "Father, there's a girl in the water we have to help her!" panic clawing at Benedict's chest, at the sight of the girl, her eyes still closed. And the oddest feeling of desperation washed over him as he watched his father firmly commanding men into the water after her. Please let her not be dead. The words echoed in his mind as Mr Milton passed the girl over the railing, Benedict reaching out to take her before he could stop himself. and suddenly, he was looking into a pair of deep green eyes, wide with panic, her breath coming in odd gasps, and his heart stuttered.

"You're alright, you're safe now. I'm Benedict, what's your name?" He said softly as he sat her against the railing. The girl looked curiously at him for several seconds before whispering: "Sophie Beckett." Silence stretching out between them for several seconds. Before his father cleared his throat. "Well, Miss Beckett, why don't you come with me, and we'll get you dried off." Captain Bridgerton said softly, Sophie's eyes widening again, looking to Benedict in panic. "It's alright," He said again softly, and Sophie stood, allowing herself to be pulled away. It was only after she was gone, that he looked down and saw, where she'd been sitting, an odd necklace. Gold, with a woman's face engraved on it. Pirates. His gaze followed Sophie nervously, and then, he placed the medallion in his own pocket.

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Sophie Beckett stood nervously outside Bridgerton House as the carriages filtered past on the street, the dress box clutched in her hands as she waited for the Butler to show her inside. Calm Down Sophie, He might not be here. Sophie hissed at herself as the door opened. "Ahh Miss Beckett, The Captain's wife is expecting you. I've been told you know the way." He said, stepping back, and allowing her inside. Sophie forced a smile, despite the nerves flickering in her stomach. "Yes, Thank you Mr. Montrose." She said, her voice echoing through the entrance hall as she made her way up the staircase.

She'd been here so many times in the 5 years since they'd pulled her from the wreckage on the ship she'd travelled from France on. And the Bridgertons had been so kind to her. Captain Bridgerton the elder had made enquiries after her family, to no avail, as Sophie had expected. And Mrs Bridgerton had secured her current position as an apprentice Dressmaker, though everyone knew Sophie did all the work anyway.

"Sophie!" A familiar voice called out interrupting her stream of thought, and Sophie's heart stuttered as she turned towards him.Yes, The Bridgertons had been so much kinder to her than she had any right to expect, and this was how she repaid them; By being hopelessly in love with their son. He was grinning at her from the doorway, his eyes sparkling up at her position on the staircase. The same eyes that had haunted her dreams for the last five years. "Mr Bridgerton." Sophie forced herself to say politely, with a curtsy. Benedict frowned "How many times must I ask you to call me Benedict?" Sophie's heart ached. "At least once more, Mr Bridgerton, as always." Propriety used like a weapon against her feelings creating distance. Benedict sighed, shaking his head.

"Who do I have to thank for the pleasure of your company this morning?" His smile was back now, and so was Sophie's skipping heartbeat. "I'm delivering Kate's-Mrs. Bridgerton's Dress for Captain Bridgerton's commendation." Formal, Polite. Detatched. "So you can call Kate by her name but not me, poor show Sophie." He took a step towards her. Sophie's breath caught in her chest. "It's hardly the same." Her voice was strained, choked. Benedict rolled his eyes. "I had a dream about you last night." Sophie's heart stopped, this was straying into ver perilous territory. "Do you-?"

"Benedict, have you nothing better to do but distract Sophie from her job?" Kate's voice teased down the stairs at her brother in law who laughed, stepping back. "Ahhh Kate, I'm afraid not, but alas, I will allow her to leave my company." He teased back at his brother's wife, and then he turned back to Sophie, a startling look in his eye, his voice rough. "Good Day, Miss Beckett." A small bow as he turned to walk away. "Good day, Benedict." She whispered after him

There is never gonna be any more of this but what a thrill it gave me

#not bridgerton and sons au #there will never be any more of this but what a thrill it gave me #benophie #willabeth!benophie #bridgerton au #benedict bridgerton #sophie beckett #molly's asks and answers

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oveliagirlhaditright · 4 years

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https://archiveofourown.org/works/25692442

Summary: Between At World's End and Dead Men Tell No Tales, Elizabeth tries to show Will she can be together with him on the Dutchman... but soon realizes why she cannot. And a slight wedge is grown between them, when she somewhat tries to force his hand, even so.

Basically trying to explain some things about her in Dead Men Tell No Tales.

Attempting to Line the Pieces Up

Elizabeth crashed into Will's chest, from where she'd just climbed aboard the Dutchman and swung herself over the railing. He caught her with the kind of grace she knew he would—though Elizabeth, who was supposed to be strong now, hated that he had to do that at all; and it reminded her of Will had essentially died to save her to her shame—and then kissed her forehead.

"You shouldn't have come here, Elizabeth," Will said breathlessly and tirelessly, as his body didn't seem to believe his own words and held her tighter. "You can't be here." Elizabeth thought she knew what he meant, of course... she couldn't be aboard the Flying Dutchman because it was unsafe. Its crew had once—though not any longer—become literal, dangerous monsters, who would want her to swear the Oath if she were here... and when the ship went under water the times that it did, Will surely did not think she could survive it. Well, she was about to put that belief of his to bed! And she tried to do just that, as she wrapped her arms around his torso and begged him to let her stay with him forever.

"It really is safe for me here, Will. Because of you, the crew is no longer cursed because of Jones. So that can’t come over me. And if you order it, they won’t harm me! And I could defend myself, even if they tried. And when the ship goes underwater… Will, just give me a warning so I can catch my breath, and-”

“Elizabeth, you can't stay here because you’re pregnant."

Elizabeth gasped, not quite understanding how Will had figured that out (as the rain that had been beating down on them on this dark night became like stiff needles now). She wasn't entirely certain she had gathered that yet… But did he have enhanced senses as a supernatural being now?

If so, perhaps that was even more proof that they didn't belong together and that he was right that she couldn’s stay…

But Elizabeth wasn't going to give up just yet. And so, she tried to play an Ace that she really didn't mean—or did she?—to try and get her husband to change her mind.

"...Very well. So I suppose I can't come look for you for a long time in your eyes, then… but what if I raise our son to come find you? Would you let me stay then, to save him from such a fate?"

And Will’s eyes were absolutely tragic as he pushed her away. And Elizabeth opened her mouth once, twice, three times, as she tried to grapple with what she’d done again. “No… Elizabeth. Don’t do that. But even if you do… I can’t let you stay even then, because you willdie.””

Elizabeth sighed. Will had given her his answer: one that was so like his former close-minded self, who had hated pirates.

And, as sad as Elizabeth was to admit it, she knew he was right. Water was already starting to engulf the Flying Dutchman, that had nothing to do with the ship's power but rather a typhoon’s. In her mind’s eye, she could imagine such force tearing up the little island that had been her home lately… so what could it do to her? And as it stood, she had another life to worry about now, too.

Thus Elizabeth got in her small boat after giving Will one last peck on the cheek, and started rowing away… before she could see worry in Will's eyes once more.

Though Elizabeth truly didn't want Henry to go after Will, for it wasn’t the sort of life he deserved… she raised him knowing about his father—because how could she not?—and he decided to try and save him himself. Something that both terrified and secretly thrilled Elizabeth. But whatever way she felt about it… even on the days her fears about it all nearly consumed her, Elizabeth respected Henry’s choice.

And it would lead to a wedge between her and Will for a little while, even when they had been reunited.

Because that was just the real world they lived in… and yet Elizabeth cherished it greatly.

Author’s Note: I know you liked Pirates when you watched it, Liz—and how you liked that Will and Elizabeth were real—and so I tried to do something with it here, and to try and explain some things…

I’m glad to finally write my Willabeth babies… even though I wish it were better circumstances. But hopefully this could end up being a nice warm-up, as my first dive into writing in this fandom:)

#mine #my writing #my work #Shanna writes #fanfiction #oneshot #willabeth #drabble-y #canon #birthday gift for bluerosesburnblue

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bihet-hozier · 4 years

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rules: tag 9 people you’d like to know better

tagged by @bihetmando💖

top four ships (i literally blanked on this for awhile bc i legitimately could not remember any ships i ship so this is just kinda what i’ve thought of off the top of my head and i’ll probably have changed my mind by tomorrow):

iparwing - the legend series by marie lu (this ship... literally breaks my heart ms. lu you really know how to write the angsty star-crossed lovers trope)

everlark - the hunger games

cheleanor - the good place

willabeth - pirates of the caribbean

last song: dog years - maggie rogers

last movie: y tu mamá también dir. alfonso cuarón. this was a really good movie but i didn’t really realize how deep it was till the end of the movie and now its all i’m thinking about and the more i think about it the more i realize how good it was.

reading: frankenstein by mary shelley. i’m reading it for school, but i’ve been wanting to read this for a looong time.

what food are you craving right now? fettuccine alfredo

i tag: (this is terrifying bc i don’t actually know 9 people ahahahaaa. sorry if i’m bothering you pls feel free to ignore) @love-that-discovered-the-sin @be-still-my-foolish-heart @airterr @jaderbugz @holylangdon @bitchybazpitch @bowie-boy @azizagrace @bisexualhozier

#yes i did look up the last two ship names just now #tag game #mine

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snowbryneich · 5 years

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I wish you would write a fic where Will isn’t cast in a negative light!! I love Norribeth with all my heart but I also love Will, and I get really really sad when he’s made into a villain, or even just dislikable, as a means to make James more attractive 💔

Hi Anon

I definitely see your point that's not great to cast Will in a bad light to prop up the ship I prefer and I know I have done this but I also do think I have written stories where Will isn’t cast in a bad light.

I mean I know Will is definitely a villain in An Ever Fixed Mark and he's not great in the Deception series (though he's not meant to be a villain - and his and Elizabeth's marriage failed because of the challenges of class and a failure to communicate until they were constantly at odds with each other) but those were the first two fics I wrote when coming back to fic writing after a long gap and I definitely think I've moved away from that trope.

For my other fics well he may be entirely absent, A Remedy Against Sin, All the Sun that Shines, a life you don't live is still lost, Will does not really appear?

In Recovery, he has a brief appearance where I think it's clear that he's fairly traumatised by the pirate assault as well.

In Being Parted, Broken Hearted and Bound in her Bones he's literally where he is in canon at the end of the original trilogy - Captain of the Dutchman, I'm just not having Lizzy wait for him?

In This Weight upon my Heart he has absconded with Jack but otherwise does not appear.

In Fresh as a Bridegroom, he's dead but was clearly loved by Elizabeth and in No Living with Her, he's dead as is Jack and all of Elizabeth's pirate connections.

So I do think I write stories where Will is not cast in a bad light even it's because he's not there - so after all that defence if what you are asking is if I'll ever write a story where Will is more of a main character . . . it’s not likely because he's not my favourite to write and I write for fun. I mean never say never - maybe one day an au where Will is vital will strike one day and jump over all the other au’s and plot bunnies but probably not.

But if you have not already done so, you should definitely check out @norrington-hell (HolmesFan at AO3) who also loves Will and does a great job of balancing willabeth and norribeth and is an amazing writer.

#ask #anon #my writing #fic #norribeth #fanfic #ask meme #Anonymous

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him-e · 6 years

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Hi, I sent the original ask about a Celibate Rey ending, I don't know what discourse came out of it, I didn't see it, but I wanted to clear the air. I didn't mean to come off dismissive of female romance/sexuality or of your ship in my ask. I understand it can be exhausting to defend your perspective over and over to people who don't want to listen, so I totally get if you thought I was baiting, though. I'm sorry for the trouble or stress this caused you.

Not asking to troll or continue the discourse, but if you don’t want to continue discussing this topic please delete this. But how can you see a valid Celibate-Rey endgame going? If IX were to end with Rey on her own and to some degree happy (Since this is Star Wars, the ending has to be at least slightly happy or hopeful) what kind of an ending would it be? If Kylo dies or survives, either/or.

Hey, no problem at all, and sorry for my snappish answer (hopefully you realized I was being part tongue-in-cheek, though). Admittedly the “better off alone/celibate” argument is something that cyclically resurfaces in other ships of mine, particularly Jaime/Brienne, which made me skittish on the whole thing, particularly when it’s tied to *female agency* buzzwords and the assumption that it’s the shippers who are arbitrarily trying to force a romance on the character, rather than it being part of the character’s canon narrative (not necessarily your case, but it’s such a popular argument against the J/B ship that I’ve developed particularly nasty anticorps for it)

So re: Celibate Jedi!Rey—

Is it a technically possible endgame for her? Totally.

Is it something I would personally be okay with and find satisfying? Well, yes, if:

a) it acknowledges and gives closure to Rey’s feelings for Ben, and viceversa. This includes admitting a degree of bittersweet in the happily ever after final picture.

Just considering the force bond alone without its romantic implications, Rey and Kylo, just the two of them, are connected on a deep intimate level. This is kind of a big deal, especially for Rey, whose familial bonds were suddenly and irrevocably severed when she was little, after which she was left completely alone with no chance to find her way back to her parents (ironically, now she has a magical tracking device in her head that allows her to communicate with another person even across galaxies. From completely alone, to never completely alone even in her own head. Big deal, indeed).

Even if the bond is broken (because Kylo dies, or else) and no overtly romantic stuff happens between them, it will still leave a mark on Rey, an empty spot where something magical used to be that can only be partially filled with familial or “muggle” love and the purpose of a “lone” Jedi path. That she would bury Kylo (or watch him leave never to return) and immediately go to join the Resistance’s party original trilogy style as if nothing sad just happened doesn’t make a lot sense to me. In fact, it would infuriate me, as I hate when characters are written as if they had some emotion switch hidden somewhere that makes them go from sad to cheerful in the blink of an eye (and tbh TLJ, for all I liked it, already went dangerously close to that, with Rey’s jarring post-proposal cheerfulness on the Falcon during the whole Crait sequence, imo).

So if they want to go that route, they need to be ready to tinge their happy ending with a little melancholy, otherwise I won’t find it realistic at all. This especially if Kylo dies, but also if he leaves or they are separated for whatever reason. (if Kylo lives, and redeems himself, and stays, I don’t see any reason why he and Rey should not be together, tbh. I mean it’s not like there’s still a Jedi order around dictating what Rey is or isn’t allowed to do. Like Palpatine was the Senate, she is the Jedi Order now, she can make new rules, lmao)

b) it avoids attaching moralistic implications to this choice (?) of celibacy (”that’s what I’m really meant for”, or “that’s how I’ll live my life to the fullest and be truly happy”, etc).

The figure of the Jedi in SW is, at the end of the day, a caregiver. A magical warrior/monk who essentially devotes their life to other people, denying any sort of personal ambition of satisfaction for himself (self-drive is closer to the Sith way). While the extent of this self-abnegation can be reframed and repackaged in a more “progressive” light (say Rey rebuilds a Jedi order with different rules, or just chooses a different way to be a Jedi, see above), the essence of caregiving and selflessness will probably remain untouched. It’s really funny to me that the people who want this endgame for Rey are the same one who get their panties in a twist at the thought of Rey being “reduced to an emotional caregiver” for Ben (paraphrasing some anti post I’ve read recently). The point is, Celibate!Jedi Rey wouldn’t be simply choosing friendship/family/a career over romance, she’d actually sacrifice her individual (in this case, romantic/sexual) desires in order to become a caregiver for an entire community. And this isn’t something I’d consider an especially subversive or /empowering/ endgame for a female character, quite the opposite, actually. The subtext here needs to be handed carefully, particularly if her endgame involves rebuilding some sort of Jedi school for gifted children: the risk of elevating her to a self-sacrificial virgin mother archetype would be pretty high. It can be done, and it can imply Rey will find happiness in this life, but without any sort of hamfisted *inspirational moral message for little girls*, if you know what I mean.

c) it doesn’t frame Rey’s choice not to be with Kylo specifically (if it is indeed a choice on her part and not something dictated by external forces, aka Kylo’s death or the Willabeth endgame, more on that later) in a moral(istic) perspective.

no “I can’t be with you because you have been mean to people, ewww” bullshit, thank you very much. This sounds like the ultimate anti wet dream, Rey rejecting Kylo because he’s awful, and I think we’re WAAAYYYY past it with all that happened in TLJ.

I hope this clarifies things a bit!

Another anon asked me to explain what I meant with the Willabeth endgame, and:

in POTC III Will Turner kills Davy Jones, so he has to take his place as the captain of the Flying Dutchman, which is a curse for life. He and Elizabeth (who are now married) spend a last day together on an island (during which it’s implied they fuck like rabbits and conceive a child, lmao), and then, at sunset, Will says goodbye, leaving the box containing his heart to Elizabeth, to whom he says, “will you keep it safe for me?”. It’s heartbreaking and a bit sadistic tbh but also incredibly romantic.

How does this apply to Reylo?

Well, Kylo could be

sentenced to lifelong exile on a remote planet, or

imprisoned for life, or

going on exile on his own will, or

leaving to form a new order of darksiders (or something) as he feels he has no place among the Good Guys and has Redeemed Himself But Not Really, or

sentenced to death and then promptly freed by Rey, who urges him to leave never to return, for his own safety, or

in general, literally or metaphorically cursed to live an existence separated from Rey as a form of atonement alternative to death;

and Rey obviously can’t follow him, because she can’t and won’t abandon her place among the Resistance, and they both know this, but it doesn’t stop them for wanting each other and swearing they will wait for each other forever, cue pants-dropping emotional final goodbye scene which, while offering complete closure, leaves the possibility of a future reunion entirely possible.

Why do I think it’s a valid scenario?

it’s a good compromise between endgame Reylo and Celibate!Jedi Rey;

Kylo gets to Suffer ™, as y’all hope for;

an unwritten but very common and wise rule of storytelling (whether or not you agree with it) is that a couple who can’t be together NOW is more interesting than a couple who is Just Together and chillin’ on the sofa or something, so this endgame leaves things open enough to be further explored in hypothetical tie-in canon material (comics, novels, tv adaptations, maybe even a standalone Episode IX-bis in five or six years from now, WHO THE HELL KNOWS?);

the fanfictions would SKYROCKET;

the force bond, if it still exists at that point, would be an INCREDIBLY convenient plot device;

Reylo Sex Island

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#anon #asks #sw asks #sw for ts #sw wank #reylo for ts #celibate rey #sw endgame #sw speculation #the willabeth endgame #long post

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skarletterambles · 7 years

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Pirates of the Caribbean 5

I just got back from seeing Dead Men Tell No Tales. I have thoughts. Quite a few of them, actually.

I should preface this review by giving a bit of background on my involvement with this franchise. I saw the first PotC movie in the theater seven times. I saw Dead Man’s Chest three or four times and loved it. I saw At World’s End exactly once, hated it with the passion of a thousand burning suns, and never saw it again.

I was--and am--a hardcore Sparrabeth shipper. The canon status of Willabeth only explains part of my disillusionment with the franchise, however. My biggest problem was how Elizabeth had an amazing character arc over three films, going from a prim-and-proper governor’s daughter to the ass-kicking Pirate King, pursuing her dreams in defiance of society’s expectations, outwitting both the EITC and legendary pirates, leading an armada in battle...and then had it all stripped away at the end of the third movie, where she is left literally barefoot and pregnant to wait for her man to come back. I was--and am--livid. I felt betrayed, both as a fan and a feminist, to see one of my favorite characters do a 180 like that.

So I have very strong feelings about these movies. I’ve tried to get over it in the years since AWE, with limited success. Against my better judgment I did see On Stranger Tides in the theater, and thought it was mediocre. Since Elizabeth wasn’t involved I could just ignore its existence, for the most part.

Then the fifth movie was announced, and Will was going to be in it. I had hoped that maybe, just maybe they could try to rectify some of the mistakes (read: character assassination) of the past.

They didn’t. But they still came up with a pretty good movie. Honestly, I’d even give Dead Men Tell No Tales four stars out of five. I was riveted to the screen for most of it, and it was thrilling to hear the theme music and see the familiar faces. It was exciting and entertaining, the special effects were impressive, and there were some good laughs. Plus, zombie sharks!

Do I have issues with parts of it? Yeah. And I’m going to ramble at length.

**** MAJOR POTC: DEAD MEN TELL NO TALES SPOILERS BELOW ****

Sequel creep is definitely at work, where each installment has to be bigger and zanier than the last. The gags are broader, the willing suspension of disbelief gets even more strained, the stakes are higher, and it becomes almost like a Saturday morning cartoon version of itself.

Thinking back to CotBP, we had to buy into the curse turning Barbossa and his crew into undead, but other than that the world operated on fairly realistic terms. Yes, there was movie logic involved as far as coincidences, travel times, fast wound recovery, and all that, but it still felt more or less like the real world. Stakes got higher with each sequel, until we have whatever the hell that “bank robbery” was in DMTNT.

Don’t get me wrong; it was an enjoyable action sequence, but it felt more like a cartoon than anything that could happen under the laws of physics as they exist in our world. That’s not inherently a bad thing, but the tone was noticeably different compared to the earlier films.

Moving on, I was glad Captain Salazar didn’t have that slurpy, blood-drooling voice through the entire film. When I first heard that in the early trailer I was both grossed out, and concerned that he would be hard to understand. Instead it was just that one scene, and he spoke normally the rest of the time. He was a great villain, from his badass and scary entrance through to his delightfully ironic death. He was genuinely threatening, which was kind of surprising considering the cartoony feel of some of the action scenes. Javier Bardem killed it. Thumbs up to him!

The legend surrounding the trident, and the map to find it, seemed cool until you thought about it for more than two seconds, and then it didn’t really make any sense. Calypso is the Sea Goddess in this universe, so where did Poseidon come in? How can his trident override curses that she put in place? If it could be broken by a single sword blow, how did it stay intact under the sea for (presumably) thousands of years? I mean, sure, maaaaaagic, but...eh.

And why did Will get all barnacley anyway? Elizabeth waited for him, so that part of the curse shouldn’t have kicked in.

And what will happen to the souls of the dead without the Dutchman to ferry them to the afterlife?

And what happened to Bootstrap Bill? Did Will figure out how to free him and let him move on to the afterlife?

And if breaking the trident cancelled all the curses related to the sea, how did Davy Jones appear in the after-credits scene? (Assuming it was him. The gait, crab claw, barnacles, tentacley silhouette and the music box theme all pointed to it being him, anyway.) I could almost buy him coming back to life when the curse was broken, but as a normal human again, not ol’ squidface. The mythology makes no damn sense at all!

This review is coming across pretty negative so far, but I really did enjoy the movie. I thought it was much better than OST, and felt like a return to the original vibe of the series. I thoroughly enjoyed watching (almost) every minute of it, and I left the theater grinning and humming the theme music. As a summer popcorn movie, it’s pretty great. It’s just when the adrenaline wears off and I start thinking and analyzing that I see the issues. And, like I said, I have a long history with this franchise, so overthinking it is what I do.

There were definitely some surprises, although I saw a couple of the twists coming. The instant I realized Carina was Hector’s daughter, I was like, “Well, he’s going to die saving her somehow.” And I was right. It was sad (and that damn monkey gave me more feels than any creepy little primate has a right to), but at the same time I’m delighted at how his character grew into so, so much more than he was originally planned to be. He was supposed to be a one-shot villain in CotBP, but Geoffrey Rush is so damn awesome, and he and Johnny Depp brainstormed a history between their characters, decided his first name was Hector, and one thing led to another and here we are, genuinely mourning him in the fifth movie. It was a worthy sendoff for a memorable character.

One of the themes that got raised over and over in the earlier movies was the idea that it’s possible to be a pirate and a good man. Bootstrap Bill Turner was. Jack is. Was Hector Barbossa a good man? I don’t know if I’d go that far, but he wasn’t 100% evil, either. And he was a lot of fun to watch.

Henry definitely reminded me of Will. He had the same wide-eyed earnestness about him, as well as the tendency to charge into danger because it’s the Right Thing To Do without thinking through the full plan first. Elizabeth’s legacy is a bit harder to see, except in the first two scenes. Keeping a secret stash of pirate memorabilia and legends? Totally Lizzie. Back-talking authority figures? Yep, Lizzie’s genes are in there. And later, in the jail, taking Jack’s ego down a peg by scoffing at his legendary reputation in comparison to the reality of a scruffy, rum-soaked pirate? Also from the Swann side of the family. So I think they did a pretty good job of making Henry his parents’ son.

I just wish we had more information on how he was raised, and where. I always imagined him scampering around Shipwreck Cove and up the rigging of Elizabeth’s ship(s), the mischievous pirate prince. Based on the house Elizabeth is living in at the end, and the fact that he was enlisted in the royal navy, I don’t see that happening in canon now.

When Carina was introduced I had a couple thoughts:

1. “I wonder if she’s related to any existing characters... No, don’t be silly. This isn’t a fanfic. They’re trying to move the franchise forward into the next generation.” (Or not.) 2. I don’t want to like her because no one can ever replace Elizabeth Freaking Swann the Pirate King as the best female character in these movies. And that’s still true, but she definitely grew on me. She had a fairly good balance of “smart woman who can take care of herself and doesn’t need a man to complete her story” and “too perfect to be likable or believable.” I could have done with a costume that didn’t draw quite so much attention to her heaving bosom, but I suppose there’s some vaguely historical style going on.

Honestly, there’s a reason her backstory could have been lifted from a story on Fanfiction.net circa 2004: those kinds of long-lost relative reveals can be a hell of a lot of fun. Especially when you have Jack there to tease “daddy” Hector mercilessly.

I’m glad they didn’t have her be Jack’s daughter, though. That thought crossed my mind, too, and that would have been...not good.

Pity Hector never got to introduce himself to Elizabeth and Will as the father of their potential daughter-in-law. Awwwwwkward! Bwahahaha!

Speaking of the dreaded Willabeth... Jack saw them smooching in his spyglass, made a face, and announced that it was a revolting sight. Same, Jack. Same.

Therein lies my biggest complaint about the movie, and, as I mentioned above, it’s just the latest sprout on a tree of dislike that I’ve been nursing since the ending of At World’s End was leaked. How in the seven hells they thought it was an appropriate, satisfying, logical plot development for Elizabeth Freaking Swann the Pirate King to end up standing around passively on a beach in a frilly dress and a fucking corset, waiting for the menfolk to do the important stuff, I will never, ever understand. It’s a slap in the face of everything her character arc was over the first three movies.

“Sure, little girls, you can have adventures and play pirate for awhile if you want to, but in the end you still have to get married, grow up, conform to society’s beauty standards, put aside those dreams, and take care of your husband and children.” Fuck that with a rusty garden trowel.

And here, when they had the chance to redeem that travesty, when they could have showed a glimpse of her at the helm of her own flagship, or holding court with the other Pirate Lords, or just simply wearing pirate-type clothes and carrying a sword, for the love of all things holy, did they do any of those things? Oh, no. No, they doubled down and had her be so passive that she didn’t even get to speak. (Doesn’t that mean they don’t have to pay Knightley as much?) Literally all she’s there for is to be a reward for Will upon his homecoming, and then sleep with him--on land in a fancy house that could have been in Port Royal, for all we know. Any journey her character had is moot. She’s back to square one, and it makes me want to throw things.

Oops, I was going to keep that rant short, and failed. Oh well, it’s a sore spot, obviously. I have never felt so betrayed by a franchise as I did when they did that to Elizabeth in AWE, and it still stings after all these years.

My ire didn’t even stem from my shipping preferences, although that certainly was salt in the wound. If they couldn’t give us a series of movies with Jack and Lizzie, the best pirates in the world, having amazing adventures while flirting like they did in DMC, at least they could have given us a sort of open ending, where she, Will and Jack all sail in their separate directions, knowing that their paths would cross in the future in any number of entertaining ways. I’m never sure if I should blame the writers, the studio, or the actors, or all of the above, but I would have bought, like, ALL THE TICKETS to see those movies.

But, alas, that’s not what we got. We got OST and DMTNT instead. OST was quite forgettable, but DMTNT packed a pretty good punch and I wouldn’t mind seeing it again. I won’t say it totally redeemed the franchise for me, but it’s got its head above water for the first time since DMC, so that’s progress.

Should you see it? Yeah, I think so. If you enjoyed the precious PotC movies, or just like pirate movies in general, it’s a fun couple hours. Just don’t think too hard about it afterward (like I did.)

#Pirates of the Caribbean #dead men tell no tales #movie review #sparrabeth #anti willabeth

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stolensilmarils · 7 years

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soooooo about the potc5 thing????

Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales/ Salazar’s Revenge/ whatever you want to call it (seriously. it’s Extra enough when you make up the name of a movie when you’re *air quotes* translating *end of air quotes* it to your language but when you make up the name when translating English.. to. English….?? why

anywhoooooo spoilers i guess???

you guys…… i totally wrote a whole super long ramble and then i accidentally deleted it all. like… why.

w h y

*sighs*

aaaanyway potc 5 *eye roll bc seriously??? A Fifth Movie????*

yaaay …??

no but really you guys. here’s the thing. if you know me you probably know, if you don’t i’m gonna tell ya so here’s the thing: Pirates of the Caribbean is The Life for me. okay? It has been since I was a tiny kid and got my hands on the pirated copy (lol) of the first movie (bc i was too little to go to the cinema) and watched the hell out of it every week until i broke the copy because like. Honestly. That movie. Is Life.

So the first movie is the best thing that has happened, the second and third are awesome as well (not as the first but like. for instance: the Marriage?? In The Middle Of the Battle?????????? literally? The. Best. Thing. that has ever happend in the Cinematographic History Ever. Seriously. Since then? Anyone ever tries to marry me any other way? Think again, my friend. Think. Again.)

anyways to get to my point. i’m getting there. First three great movies.

Theeeen there was the forth movie.

eh.

eeeeeeh.

and now,,,, fifth??

ugh

like first of all

why u make so many of these movies????

why

i know why you know why everyone knows why i mean of course besides ~money~ bc that’s all cool people have jobs yay it’s cool

but i’m gonna tell you the thing. It’s because of Captain Jack.

And because everyone loooooves him so much.

but.

don’t get me wrong like i like the guy and all but???? He’s not??? why I like the movies? I mean, he’s funny and all. (probably a disappointing fact to my friend who used to be equally obsessed with potc asmuch i am and who was mostly obsessed just with him but)…. but he’s not why i love the movies

aaaaand you probs know what is

common i know u know

it’s Willabeth

duuuuuuuh

I love them. So. Much. So much. Will has been my bff and Liz my idol as a kid and i would be just basking in their love every day you know. the normal shipper stuff.

Jack who? Please.

Am. I. The Only. One? Maybe? Don’t care.

I mean, i like Jack I do, but he’s not what i am here for k?

And that brings me to the fifth movie. Overall, the movie itself was okay. In my humble insignificant opinion the scenes were predictable and sometimes too dragged out and it was just missing the Spark. And I mean, I knew it wouldn’t be as good as first three ones, so I was prepared for that. Also I am surprised that I was surprised by the Carina being Barbossa’s daughter thing bc honeslty? Should have seen it coming. And some of the scenes were just pointless. The almost Jack’s marriage? Anything with the Witch? The point? can’t find it.

Also Barbossa shouldn’d have died tbh. it made his monkey sad and that just made me sad and idk man that is just a pointless thing to kill him off tbh. gonna pretend it never happened thanks

Aaaand i’m not gonna talk about how completely inaccurate to the previous movies this fifth one was and how it completely ignored official canon bc i know it you know it, Will was originally released after 10 years of service, Jack couldn’t possibly be a pirate at that young age lol seriously?, the list goes on, we all know that, let’s move on.

But of course, it was also funny, some scenes were absolute gold, like the Skeleton joke? The best thing ever.

Kaya as Carina? Absolutely perfect. I love Kaya, I love Carina, another super smart badass lady like yes. sign me up Right. Now.

Brenton as Henry??? Absolutely genius casting move, 100% how Willabeth DNA combination would look like, I approve. Also Henry is basically literally like his father at that age which is just :’) bc have i meantioned i love Will Turner Jr and wanted to be his bff as a kid? (also now i have all these headcanons of Henry reminding Liz of Will too much and like now i am in pain you guys wow)

So basically you know why i went to see this movie which i knew wasn’t gonna be as good as they used to be because duh

duh.

I was hoping for some Willabeth.

Maybe that’s why I felt like the movie was dragged out? Because the only thing that really mattered to me happened in the last 2 seconds of the movie??? haaaa ah well

anywayz

the whole movie i was basically just waiting when anything Willabeth related would be mentioned (oops) and in the end. I was Rewarded.

They Got A Reunion???? Like, after all those years, all the nights I spent crying about Will’s fate, I’ve lived to see A Reunion with my two own eyes? On a silver screen????

I mean, yes, Will’s curse was supposed to break long ago, but it’s Fantastic to see a Reunion in the (now official?) Canon and all okay my little shipper’s heart is all filled with fuzziness and fluff do Not ruin it for me.

Like can we talk. About. That. Scene. Like. How they see each other the first time, and the Disbelief like????? Help. And how they just Hurry to each other but then stop! at the last second and then just both /Throw/ themselves in the hug and Liz smiling and then ~Nuzzling~ closer and both just Breathing the other in and then almost immediateky going for the Kiss (The K i s s) but Liz just stopping for a second to look at his face. again! to see his face again (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) wow okay and then just Kissing! Him! So! Hard (like honestly yes Y E S) and i am so dead so so so dead wow okay wow w o w

and my friend was like ‘nah i liked the every ten years version better’

what.

What!

ESCUUUUSE ME? ??

NO!!!!!

N O!!!!!!!!!!!!

No one. Ruins this. For me.

but wait.

oh wait.

Oh then. You guys…….. have you seen the after credit scene?

if not, go watch a crappy version on youtube or something or don’t whatevs

but if you have. you guys.

Couple of things:

First of all yas!!! for more Willabeth content??? But second of all nope?!!! What. The. Hell. What. What. TBH I am going for the Will’s just having nightmares (bc I am a certified Angst Lover and Will being haunted by the man who killed him and by the time he spent on the Dutchman is just the Thing i need) and only that (also actually crying bc he just cuddles! Liz for comfort and i am dead now thanks) bc otherwise? They be threatening my precious Willabeth Yet. Again. Aaaaaand giving heads up for yet.. anothe.r movie.

A Sixth (6) one.

Like. No. Davy is dead? Like, his heart was stabbed and then he fell into a literal whirl pool like. He dead okay? You can’t disrespect all the canon like stop. Let him be dead and happy with Calypso k? just. stop.

STop. Pls stop. No more of these movies I am begging you????

I mean, theoretically, if there was another movie, would i watch it? Absolutely. But it’s been enough after the first movie. it’s been the time to stop a long time ago. Pls stop.

and also i can’t take any more of Willabeth getting hurt again okay so leave me and my fictional kids in love be in love and at peace.

And it’s really time to let Captain Jack be. I’m sorry but. It’s time.

So ya. That’s it. Willabeth is alive again and so am I (i’m actually dead but yeah), and i live for the angsty nightmare stuff but. No. leave my kids alone. No more of these movies.

pls

aaaaaaand this has been an absolutely pointless ramble but eeeeh

bye

#i wrote this at 4am last night so but it's basically what i think #potc spoilers #potc #pirates of the caribbean #willabeth #salazar's revenge #dead men tell no tales #pointless rambling

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fulcrumwrites · 4 months

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Overused trope, but when a low-born boy falls in love with a high-born girl. He knows the parent(s) don’t approve of him courting their daughter, so he remains courteous and pines from a distance, never guessing she feels the same way.

He doesn’t have any prospects to offer her, but she doesn’t care. Maybe they confess their feelings, but go for a time pretending they didn’t because society wouldn’t let them be together. Maybe she chooses him over a socially acceptable suitor and/or arranged marriage. Maybe she’s even disowned.

And when they do court, higher society shames them. They accuse the boy of marrying her for money and status. They assume the girl is looking for a scandal. They are appalled the parent(s) would allow such a union. The boy feels insecure and the girl is abandoned by her “friends”.

And yet they are so in love that they learn to ignore what others say. They won’t let social norms get in the way of their happiness. And maybe it takes an epic adventure to get there.

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help-me-obiwan · 7 years

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PotC 5 Thoughts and Feelings

I’ve been trying to get my thoughts together to figure out how I feel about the film. And I really just need to get my feelings out and if anyone wants to chat please do cause i have no one at home is as passionate about this as I am. Everything under the cut cause Spoilers.

Ok so all in all I didn’t hate the movie. It was better than OST but it still didn’t really feel like a Pirates movie. And I’ve been trying to figure out why. And I think one definite reason is Jack didn’t feel like Jack. He wasn’t the slightly drunk, morally ambiguous, clever pirate that everyone came to know and love. Instead he has like some weird mix between Jack and the Hatter. His voice was goofy through out the movie. And he has lost the cleverness that was always so fun to see. Instead, he was a bumbling drunk idiot, making dirty jokes, and doing ridiculous stunts. Now, I know that there have always been the crazy stunts in these movies but it used to be limited to one or two a movie not be a thing LITERALLY THE WHOLE FREAKING MOVIE! It got beyond annoying by the second or third time.

Another major problem with it is there wasn’t a single character arc. And i think that’s my biggest problem. I know that they’ve said that Jack himself is supposed to be an Arc-less character (which i don’t agree with completely because there was definitely some growth to his character between 1 and 3. It was small, but it was there.) But literally not one of the characters had a real arc. They all started in the same place they ended at. Except Henry got his father back (squeee) and Carina learned who her father was. But they we’re still the exact same people they were at the beginning. Henry especially I was expecting some growth in throughout the adventure. He was kind of bookish. Not that there is a problem with that. But I figure we’d be seeing him learn to use a sword and kind of become piratey like his parents were. And we didn’t. I thought we’d get to see him and Jack kind of bond. And I think they wanted to they just didn’t know how to execute it. Like during the shark scene it’s pretty clear that Jack cares about Henry. And that is honestly one of Jack’s better scenes. And Jack keeps trying to push Henry and Carina together. And those scenes were kind of cute and funny. But ultimately they didn’t get much viable screen time together. And Henry in general didnt really get much time. I feel like i don’t know him at all.

I couldn’t hardly stand Carina at all. She came off as a know it all bitch. And not in a fun way. How this series can go from Elizabeth Swann (who had a character arc and went from being a “damsel in distress” to a complete bad ass by the end in a believable arc, what everyone who writes Strong Female Character should strive for) to this mess is heartbreaking. I figured she was starting out harsh and know-it-all-y because she’d always been alone and she had to be and she was doing whatever she could to find her father, or connect with him or whatever I’m not sure, but that she’d soften up a bit. She could have still be awesome and smart but learn to really trust other people and not be annoyingly know it all. And that’s a problem I have with people in real life too. It’s just not a type of person I like. And like awesome for her for wanting to be an astronomer and knowing her shit when it came to that. But like the fact that she is searching for the Trident of Poseidon, which she clearly seems to know is a mystical item, but doesn’t believe in ghosts and brushes off what Henry is saying like he’s crazy was annoying. And like I know it TCotBP Elizabeth said something about she doesn’t believe in Ghost Stories but she also wasn’t searching for a magical trident and as soon as she seen the cursed crew she never said another word about it.

I think this movie really could have been something. But it suffered from the writers worrying more about the contrived plot (which contradicted a lot in the 2nd and 3rd movies) than about the characters, who let’s be real are the reasons we really watch these movies. I think they would have been better served to have had a little reunion between Will and Jack. And Will thanking him for helping to break his curse and keeping an eye on his son. And have Jack blow it off with a joke and say something to him about being a eunuch and having a son. I think there should have been more focus on Henry and Carina growing and changing with Jack acting as like the crazy uncle/ mentor to both. Giving him a chance to really work the ensemble thing the original trilogy did so well. Because Jack Sparrow cannot carry a movie by himself.

P.S

The post credit scene hints that if we get another we’ll see the return of Davy Jones, which yay, as well as Will and Elizabeth. Double yay. If that happens I’ll definitely be back for more. The Willabeth reunion was without a doubt my favorite part of the whole movie.

#PotC #potc5 spoilers #sort of #henry turner #carina smyth #jack sparrow #johnna's thoughts and feelings #i really had high hopes for this #which was my problem probably #it wasnt terrible but it really didnt feel like pirates #there wasn't even a single sword fight #like how you going to have pirates without sword fights #atrocious

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stolensilmarils · 7 years

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MORE OF PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN 5 THOUGHTS

mostly for @wantasugarcube, (who’s the cutie who replied to this post) but like, also in general everything I was thinking about these past few days. Cuz it’s A Lot, and you guys, I have exams and I have to focus, not analyse a movie, please someone explain that to my dumb brain thanks

Anyways, includes a little bit of my history with potc, more of new characters thoughts, and why am I salty about Jack Sparrow (had to let it out at some point, I’m sorry), and of course, Willabeth feels.

Under read more because of spoilers, and because it’s Very Long Post (like, a Super Long Post, I kid you not, I think I went a bit overboard with it whoopsies) ~

wantasugarcube said: Thank you. I was 500% there for the Willabeth scene (and pretty much nothing else) even though I just KNEW it was going to be practically the last thing in the movie. I was even afraid they would leave Liz’s appearence only to the post-credit thing and when their reunion happened I cried many tears of relief bc fucking 10 years I DID MY WAITING. Did I love Jack in the original trilogy? Yep, I did, specially for his comic vein, but the movies were always about Will and Liz for me. [1]

Did I end up loving Henry (yes for perfect casting) and Carina (I already loved Kaya so it was nearly a given)? Yep, I did! But the movie still felt dragged out because I wanted what I wanted lol. Also, Javier Bardem is brilliant, but I was not convinced by his villain and maybe the reason is I’m simply tired. I just wanted Will and Elizabeth together and oh god thank you. Also, the cuddle scene aldjals but I do agree with you that ENOUGH WITH THE SUFFERING. Nightmares it is. [2]

I was in a near panic when the theories about Elizabeth maybe being dead started to pop up. I refused to believe it, and I’m very glad it whoever imagined this was very wrong. Alive and safe and together is my aestetic for Willabeth. I hope they won’t try to mess it up again. Ok, I’m done lol. #ProtectWillabeth [3]

So ha, first of all, thank you again for replying to my post, and I’m so! glad you liked my first impression 4am thoughts :D (because honestly, sleeping? After Willabeth Reunion? As if there was a possibility like that hah)

So anyway, I am so glad that you, like me, love these movies for Will and Liz, and not just because of Jack, because I grew up with people who loved mostly Jack. And so I never got to express my Willabeth feels properly until tumblr found its way to my life and aaaah yes, there are people like me here yes yes yes so yay! I basically love you already just for this ♥

Sooo I hope you don’t mind, I’m just gonna ramble super long about my relationship with Willabeth now and I’m sorry if you don’t care about it at all, but I wanted to share and ramble, and maybe should have in a different post but? Too late, too lazy, no time for that.

SO,

I remember how I watched AWE for the first time (I went to a midnight premiere with my family). And I remember exactly how I felt during the maelstorm battle. I remember how tense I was, completely terrified that something may happen to someone, repeating in my head over and over again that it’s a Disney movie and so they can’t kill of the main character.

And then they did. They literally killed Will and I was in such a shock that the rest of the movie went by as a dream, me not really focusing on it. Then I dragged myself home. And later, they came the tears.

And a thought: “Fix it!”

I don’t even know for how long I hoped for another potc movie where they would just fix it. Because, yes, then they said that it was just for 10 years and afterwards the curse would be broken, but at that time? It wasn’t enough for me. Especially since only half of the people took that version, and the other prefered the ‘once every ten years’ one.

But Orlando said he’d be cool with returning only if Keira would. And Keira was apparently done with potc world, wanting to explore other genre etc (which is totally understandable, bc like lol she was 17 when started shooting the first potc movie, of course she wanted to continue growing as an actress and forming her carreer etc)

And so since time heals and all, I made peace with that.

But then they made the fourth movie? It’s probably one of the reasons I don’t like that movie that much, is because they just excluded Will and Liz and went to make another potc movie without them, just with Jack.

Like no. The next movie was supposed to be the one that Fixed everything, not some random completely different standalone? What? No!

But it happened anyway.

Aaaand in the end the fourth movie was what it was, and I got over that as well, accepted that they just erased Will and Liz completely, and now make potc about Jack. Whatevs.

That’s why I was really neutral about the fifth movie. I kind of ignored all the news about it, because I thought meh. Jack again. Again I gotta pretend I’m excited to see him. Meh.

But then the news found their way to me and ??? Wait, Willabeth’s son will be there? Orlando will play there??

Wait.

Keira will???

But I was too sceptical anyways. Over the years I found myself some Willabeth loving friends, bless them, and so I immediately discussed the issue with one of them. But also, I was too scared to know, to get spoiled, so I continued ignoring any info about this movie, because I didn’t want to get my hopes up.

So I only had like 2 conversations with that friend about it, and what we mostly discussed was how scared we both were, and how we had no idea what to think. So, of course, we started to think the worst. Mostly, Why would Elizabeth make an appearance? Like you said there were theories that Liz died. Well, these theories luckily didn’t find their way to me, since I was avoiding all info, (and WOW I would Die if I heard something about it. I am so! glad I didn’t ufff) but basically me and my friend came to the same conclusion???

Like, we thought three things:

they will make Willabeth happy again (not likely)

they will Screw everything up Big Time (more likely)

they will have Will and Liz appear in completely different parts of the movie and won’t mention their relationship at all/won’t give them proper closure (very likely)

So my expectations when I was actually going to see the movie were Extremly low. All I was hoping for was that since Henry was their son, Willabeth as a couple would be at least mentioned.

Also Thank Goodness Kaya was there, and Benton was cast as Henry? Because I love Kaya (thanks to The Maze Runner btw, and yay, I’m so glad you like her as well??? Yes great, she is amazing!), and because I just love Brenton’s face, it’s just totally Willabeth face, once you see it, it’s unseeable tbh :D

That’s why I thought some of the scenes were boring and dragged out, because I kept thinking: “oh come on, stop fighting and start talking about Willabeth alreadyyy” lol. I actually feel bad about it, but some of the scenes Were really unnecessary and uniteresting, and not because of the lack Willabeth.

But I feel less bad knowing I wasn’t the only one and you thought that too, haha, bless!

And so I focused on Carina and Henry. I was surprised how much I loved Carina. I completely adore her so much! And I was actually thinking about her A Lot lately, and like, she’s a Badass!

And it’s one of the things I’ve always loved about potc movies. How well they wrote the female characters. Like, all of the women in potc universe are incredibly strong, but all of them in their own, badass way!

I mean, take Anamaria, she ready to slap the bich and has a perfect no nonsense attitude towards all idiocy, and not only Jack. Straight forward let everyone know she’s the real boss there.

Take Tia Dalma, absolute Queen, is powerful as hell (even before the whole Calypso thing), knows how to play her own and others’ game, takes what she wants and doesn’t apologize for a thing, because she Doesn’t Need To.

Take even Angelica! Knows exactly how to play Jack, makes her beauty and flirtiness into a weapon and gets everyone wrapped around her finger just like that.

Also Syrena, but I mean, I don’t remember them giving her much room for characterisation. Tbh, I’m so sorry, but I mostly remember her just like the Mermaid. (Maybe because I saw potc4 max like 2 times lol oops but at least you see how much I just am edgy about that movie hah)

And of course, Elizabeth, who’s the biggest King of them all, and I could probably write a whole novel on how amazing she is, but like, just saying Elizabeth Swann, is self explanatory tbh.

Which brings me to Carina. She’s a completely original character, A woman, who is a Scientist, and who fights the way in the world dominated by men through Reason. Which is incredible! And that’s why I loved watching her. Because she is insanely relatable person, for me, at least. She has faith and believes that the people will understand her if they just listen to her. But lmao, men never listen, do they? But she tries over and over again. I mean, at some point or another, all the other ladies learn that they just gotta basically punch the pirate in the face to make a point, but she over and over again tries to reason with them. And it was so frustrating to watch her suffer like that. (Like, for example, the Horologist joke was funny at first but they kept dragging it out to a point where I just wanted to punch every single of those pirates in the face ugh! Or when the dumbheads kept calling her Witch *sighs*!)

So yay! I so love Carina, yessss! And I welcome her to the Turner family.

As for Henry, I mostly love how he’s a perfect combination of Willabeth. He has all the Will’s good traits, where he’s willing to listen, reason, and was basically the only one who treated Carina with respect (like Will with Liz) (But then again, he was raised by Liz,so that’s given) and is a good and uncorrupted person, and basically inherited all of his father’s cinnamon roll-ness, you know? And plus, he has so much of Liz in him as well! His stubbornness, his rebellion, his devotion, and quick mind. Like, he’s just a perfect person made of those two and that just makes him a wonderfully his own person and I love that.

As for Javier, he’s a wonderful actor, and played Salazar amazingly, but I was just tired of that Jack-Sparrow-Did-Something-To-Me-And-Now-I-Want-Revenge trope honestly, I was just ready to get over with it.

As for Jack, what I always liked about him is that under all that funniness and rum and pirating around, he’s a genius, who always has something up his sleeve. And when you least expect it, he turns the tables the way he wants. While everyone just thought he was just the always drunk funny guy. But I feel like they just started to put more of the funniness and less of the wicked-smart-under-it-all into his character? Or did they? Tbh, I need to watch the movie again, but since the whole movie was terribly predictable to me, I feel like this is one of the things that I missed.

Alsooo, a little sideways, but I’m so! salty about this lmao, I gotta let it out. And that’s the: Elizabeth Never Talked about Jack. Because since the movie, I saw a lot of people Shocked by that, asking “How Come She Never Talked About Jack???”

And the thing is, I’m pretty sure that’s not what was the point of that scene. I’m pretty sure Elizabeth Did talk about Jack. She told Henry her and Will’s story, and it’s impossible to exclude Jack from that, because he played a Huge role in it. But. The thing is that Jack doesn’t really ask Henry if Elizabeth ever mentioned him in the relation to Her and Will. And even if he did, the moment Henry reveals who he is, Jack not only immediately proceeds to terribly dismiss and insult the man who Henry loves, admires, and has dedicated whole life trying to save (like, I know it’s a running joke in the potc movies, so I get it, but for Henry it isn’t), but also immediately proceeds to ask about his mother in a completely inappropriate way??? Like, Henry’s adult and not an idiot, and the way Jack mentions Liz is 100% sexual, and Henry super knows that lmao. Not only that, Jack asks Henry if Elizabeth says Jack’s name in her sleep. Like seriously??? That’s 1000000% not the way anyone should talk about anyone, more so Elizabeth, his mother, who Henry loves and admires? Like, I’m sorry, but what the actual hell was that.

Like of course Elizabeth never mentioned Jack in that way, and if she ever mentioned him in relation to anything, Henry would 100% not admit it now, after that kind of talk about his mother lmao. What even.

Honesly, this is also what I terribly missed about Jack. The respect, I guess? Like, in the end of AWE, I was under the impression that after all the back stabbing and rivalty, Will, Elizabeth, and Jack parted ways in a friendly, and respectable way?

That despide that Jack was reasonably mad at Will, insulted him often, and Will reasonably disliked Jack, in the end, they were allies? And they respected each other in their own way? ??

And even more, I’m sorry, but I was under impression that Jack had a Huge respect for Elizabeth. Like, I really was.

And this movie just made me think a complete opposite.

But idk.

Like tbh, I know Jack’s dirty minded pirate and all, and I’m not sure how I personally would played that scene out, but idk. It just rubbed me a completely wrong way and I’m just real salty about it. And I know I’m maybe too critical about it, and it was a funny scene, so sure, if people liked it, it’s okay. If it gave Sp@rrabeth shippers material, then it’s fine. I mean, ship away, but for me it was just too cringey, I can’t help it :/

Anyway, let’s talk about the thing that matters the most anyways, yeah?

and that’s Willabeth. So as I said, at first I didn’t expect much,and I just hoped they wouldn’t ruin them even more and would leave their relationship be.

But, when it was clear that the movie was about to end soon, I started to get impatient because they still didn’t show Liz. And obviously, the curses were broken, so where was Will? And for the first time, I had hope. I was like, yo does that mean we’re actually getting It? The Reunion? Does it does it does it? And then they showed Will, and by this time I’m on the edge of the seat for the first time of this movie, and literally all I’m thinking is: “Put! Liz! In! That! Scene! Alreadyyyyy!” and then they did and I Flipped! I just started to punch my friend’s arm like crazy, (who probably did think I was crazy), with the biggest smile on my face and I had to physically hold myself so I wouldn’t jump to my feet screaming like a maniac because I sure felt like it! And I still do tbh. Even today. 5 days after watching the movie, I catch myself not being sure that scene even happened. But It Did. It did and it saved the whole movie, saved 2017, and saved me. And they didn’t. Have To. Say. One. (1). Word.

Like, tbh, I’m not surprised Keira Knightley single handedly saved my insignificant life once again, but she really did. She really did. She. Really. Did.

About the after-credits scene, I am so glad you agree with me about the nightmare theory, because as I said before, bringing Davy back is ridiculous. He wasn’t uncursed, because he’s literally dead, and if he was uncursed he wouldn’t be all tentacley, but he stayed tentacley, because he was Stabbed and Killed and Now He’s Dead, which means he couldn’t be uncursed. (Cuz he’s dead).Thanks

So let us just focus on how when Will makes sure there’s no one at the door, he looks immediately to Liz to make sure she’s there and is okay and not in danger, and seeing her he just exhales and immediately relaxes. And you can just see how he realises all. over. again. that the horrors of the past 19/20 or so years are gone and it’s real, he’s here and she’s here. Oh God, she’s here. And in that tiny moment you see how it just Hits him again. And so the only thing he can do is to embrace and cuddle her without really waking her up, because that would probably worry her, and he doesn’t want her to worry. He just wants to hold her, feel her in his arms, feel her warmth, her breath on his skin. Anything and Everything that ensures him again and again that she is there, with him, and he is there. With her.

W O W

I LOVE! THEM! SO! MUCH!

I honestly need to have their love Tattooed All Over My Body. I don’t need to eat or drink, literally Willabeth is all I need

W O W

#ProtectWillabeth All The Way. All. The. Way. Always.

#potc spoilers #dmtnt #anti jack sparrow #potc #pirates of the caribbean #pointless rambling #okay hopefully this movie won't interfere with my studying anymore since i let probably everything out #also i'm sorry again for such a long ramble #hopefully it's not too horrible to read #replies

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oveliagirlhaditright · 4 years

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A friend and I were talking about how much of a slow burn relationship Sora and Kairi have had over the course of the games. How 17 years passed between game releases before they finally shared paopu fruits. So naturally a lot of people joke about how we're going to have to wait another 20 years before they kiss, and then another 20 years before they get married. But then I jokingly said, what if Kairi's already pregnant by kh 4? What if things suddenly escalate really quickly?

Is it sad that with how much SoKai was treated like Willabeth in KHIII, that I thought if Nomura was going to keep Kairi out of the action going forward--and at first, it seemed like he was going to. Ugh--that he might pull a full Willabeth and have her be pregnant? But I wouldn’t have even thought of that, if some YouTube commenters hadn’t imagined that that was what the fade to black after the paopu sharing meant... that Sora and Kairi had sex, that is. But it didn’t mean that. At all. The whole love realization didn’t happen until the tunnel of light scene, I mean.

And then when their Re:Mind date scenes happened... I couldn’t help thinking they secretly could have slept together during one of them, and no one would be the wiser (unless Kairi was pregnant in a next game or something). Especially if they maybe thought it could be their only chance to, with Sora soon dying...

But I also know they of course didn’t. They’re still young babies in a Disney game, who have finally just become a couple and have to do the innocent things first, like actually going on dates. At most, they may have shared their first kiss offscreen during those Re:Mind dates.

I know the age of consent is lower in Japan, I believe... But I’m like 99.9% sure that these two will never sleep together in these games, even when they’re older. I mean, not that Disney hasn’t somewhat gotten away with it with couples in the past, with the Willabeth honeymoon scene, or that moment Emma found her parents (Charming and Snow) in bed together (still clothed and stuff, and getting interrupted) in Once Upon a Time... and especially on Alias (but to be fair, the latter--like OUaT--was on ABC, and that one was targeted at an older audience), but I still don’t see it. Got to keep that E 10+ rating, after all.!

But I guess that doesn’t mean that we couldn’t have something like a “Five Years Later” time jump, or something, where we see Kairi with a kid... where clearly something happened between then and now. And I could actually see the series ending that way--with the notion that Sora and Kairi’s kid is going to continue the adventure--but I don’t think they’ll do so before the forever ending... if at all.

...I feel I’m getting way off topic here. But while I get where you’re coming from--and would be all for their love story not continuing to crawl (especially since they’ve both realized this is the major thing they want right now--I don’t see it happening, sadly.

In fact, I have the thought that it’s only going to get worse. Because I think there’s literally something/someone keeping them apart for some reason. And that Sora trying to fight against that, is going to make it spite them all the more. I have the feeling that they’re not going to get much time together at all in the next saga--though they will have a few moments, before fate tears them apart again--but that we’ll get more Kairi screentime/playable Kairi, and their stories will parallel each other so that they’ll feel compatible (and almost like they’re spending time together) that way. And that this saga or series will end with them finally defeating the thing keeping them apart, and then they’ll finally have their epic reunion and happily ever after... And yes, I am kind of thinking of what they did with Buffy and Angel on those shows. But I could of course be wrong about all of this (because I still don’t know if Nomura would give Kairi such good treatment or even knows how to... I’m also not sure he could parallel them expertly well, like Whedon did with Buffy and Angel, even if it seems that was what he was going for with Noctis and Stella) and I want to be wrong about this.

Because I want them to actually spend time together, dang it, as I actually think that they don’t is the main issue that so many people can't see them as in love and think they have “no chemistry”. But Nomura seems stuck on this “star-crossed lovers who can never really be together” trope for them, so we’ll see what happens in the future:)

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