thinking about Orym not just telling Ashton that he cares about them, but the things he says after: I get it, to a degree, I do. You would never fuck off. You really do have a soft heart. I know you mean well.
there was so much questioning of Ashton and his intentions by the other Hells, accusations that he was power-hungry and that he didn't care about them, that he manipulated or coerced Fearne into giving him the shard, that he was just a "bad" person. even the new shared understanding they had by the time they left for the Feywild, that Ashton took the shard because he was misguided and mired in self-loathing, only gets reported back to Ashton in pretty obtuse ways.
Orym has the benefit of getting time to think, and who knows what he would have said or done had Liam been there for ep 78. but even still he's the first to tell Ashton not just that he cares about them but also that he sees the good in them. most people have never bothered to even look for that. if Ashton can even see it right now it must seem tiny, meaningless, completely drowned out by all the bad in them.
and the other Hells do see that good, to varying degrees, even now. they love Ashton too, and they love him for a reason. but the first one who actually thinks to tell Ashton that is Orym.
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This First Contact Day I’m crying over the fact that in-universe humans celebrate First Contact Day as a holiday and traditionally eat salmon on it because the first shared meal between humans and Vulcans was salmon and it just feels so hopeful and sweet that humanity’s reaction to finding out aliens exist was to essentially say “do you guys want to stay for dinner?”
Like we were so excited to find out we had new friends to make out there in the galaxy that we made the day we met them a holiday 🥹
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Watching your pain
Danny was born with synesthesia, something he was not diagnosed with until he became a ghost. He was simply not aware that others do not experience reality in the same way that he does.
He had the quality of being able to see sounds and feelings. The first time he found out about it was during her battle with Ember, when he noticed small colored ghosts that were screaming, but when he mentioned it to the ghost she just looked at him in confusion.
The second time was when his parents yelled at Phantom, and he saw a distorted version of his fears in the air before running away.
The third time was when he developed his wail, the vision of the portal over the sound waves was too much and he decided to tell Jazz, who told him about the condition, telling him that she expected it, taking into account that the condition was hereditary and Jack Fenton had a lighter version of it by seeing colored numbers in his equations.
Now, his condition wasn't common, but it wasn't that strange either. However, sometimes he would see things that he wondered if they were private.
That's why after moving to Gotham he couldn't help but want to comfort Red Hood after watching him yelling at Batman. The blurry shadow of an injured boy in colorful clothing kept flashing in his mind.
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"If Jiang Cheng is all about debts, he should repay his debts to Wen Qing and Wen Ning!"
What debts? The two were from a sect that decimated his own. Be it willingly or not, they occupied the burned remains of his sect and helped the war effort on the Wen side (whilst assisting WWX and JC, but bear in mind, WQ only did it begrudgingly due to the risks associated with asissiting them. It's funny that y'all would jump to her defence whilst shitting on JC when she was in the exact same position he was in btw. But that's a debate for another day~).
Expecting him to pay a debt to the people that were, to at least some degree, complicit in numerous genocides is pretty messed up.
Even then, JC DID vouch for them to express his gratitude for helping him and WWX to escape and get their parent's remains back. But the other leaders shut him down when he did and scoffed at him. I feel like I've said this so many times on here, but he was in no position to argue any further on the matter. Especially when a more established sect leader like LXC was shut down, too.
As for the core transfer that he didn't consent to, how can he thank someone for that when he never knew it had happened in the first place?? Or asked for, for that matter?? The whole thing made him feel shitty anyway when he found out about it.
WQ and WWX, although both had good intentions, still had no right to experiment on him like that and keep this very invasive secret from him for so long, too. You can't just do something for someone without them knowing or consenting and expect them to repay that "debt" when you find yourself in a pinch. That's kinda like blackmail and is very coercive.. Something WWX and the Wen sibs are certainly not..
Then there's the situation with WN. Sure, he could be thankful for WN helping to get him to safety and treating his wounds (which, see my earlier point, JC did express gratitude.) But that opportunity kinda all fizzled out when WN killed JZX (I know it was an accident due to him being under the influence of DC but let's be real. That resentment is going to be there. Espeically since the topic greatly upsets JL soooo).
Even all that aside, you seriously can't expect JC to "repay his debts" and help WN and WQ out of that situation when the whole CW was against them. Helping them was suicidal and would bring on the wrath of the other major sects. And we all saw how that went for WWX (as JC rightly predicted)..
Had JC sided with the Wens and took them in to "pay his debts," he would have dragged the whole of his sect into the siege that happened soon after. This would mean more innocents would have been involved, and it would be the destruction of Lotus Pier all over again (and quite possibly the destruction of the Jiang, too). JC had to prioritise his own people. He would be a shit leader otherwise.
I feel as though some of y'all put some unrealistic expectations on JC when assessing his character. Especially when you compare him to the others in the story (returning back to my point I made earlier about him and WQ and how similar they both are).
On the topic of "debts" though, I would also like to argue that doing a good deed out of the kindness of your heart shouldn't be seen as a debt. And if you do something with the expectation that someone would do something for you back in kind, wouldn't that make you a shitty person? Is that what you're implying the Wen sibs are (or should be) ? Self-serving people who only help others if something is to be gained? 🤨
But what about the "debt" JC goes on about, you might ask? Oh, you mean the PROMISE that WWX made HIMSELF? That he would stay by JC's side? And be his subordinate? To fulfil his role as promised and expected of him?
That wasn't a debt.
WWX construed it as being one, but it doesn't fit the criteria, honestly. What WWX had was an obligation. He made that promise himself, and JC held him to it. It wasn't one JC forced him into as some form of servitiude, nor was it made in return for bed and board or something.
We know JC isn't truly about holding debts over others. If he was, he would have dangled his own sacrifice over WWX and used that to guilt trip him instead. Or force him to pay him back in kind. But he never did. Why? Because he loved WWX, and he didn't want him to feel "indebted" to him. Especially when WWX revealed his feelings of "letting go and moving on" to him.
You could go on forever about debts and who owes who what, but the thing is, each of these characters have hurt eachother in one way or another that at this point, the notion of who owes what doesn't matter anymore. The situation is far more complex than that. That's why all "debts" were dropped at the end, and JC and WWX just moved on. I feel that was the message MXTX tried to convey in her work. About moving on and letting go of grudges. Perhaps JC antis should take on that advice? And move on too?
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since i know its something that's easily missed, if people want to see bbh comforting tallulah as she confesses some of her fears about her dad, and her family, here's a link to the VOD and a timestamp.
it starts around 1h54m of this stream
for the context of what happened before: after the tour of bbh's house and the pool party, leo asks the people at the party to follow her to vegetta's house. tallulah's hesitant, because she lost her first life there, but follows along. after the train ride, foolish + the capybaras + ramon are goofing around chaotically near vegetta's house. tallulah hands bbh a book.
bbh gets her back to her casita as fast as he can, and gives her time to calm down before they talk a little bit. during it, tallulah confesses that her biggest fear is that she'll die before wilbur gets back, and talks about how scared and sad she was after the code attack, when every parent was checking on their own child and she had no one to check on her first.
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