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absolutebl · 10 months

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Hi!

I love your Blog and love to read your takes in everything. So thank you so much for all your Posts and thoughts about the industry etc.

Here is my question: i came across one of your posts where you wrote "actually gay, not bl gay" (it was a Post about Jojo and Only Friends) and while I FELT that I TOTALLY understood what you meant and instantly was like "yes 100% clear" Id love to read and learn more about what this means exactly and why some bls feel quite heteronormative while some dont. Would you mind explain the take on "actually gay Not Bl gay" a little bit? And why some Shows feel just more queer than others (besides the unbelievable stupid "gay only for you" trope lol)

Thank you so much and I hope you will have a nice day!

actually gay, not bl gay

There's actually quite a discourse on this right now mostly originating with @waitmyturtles and @wen-kexing-apologist (Post @killiru references above is here.)

I tend to mostly talk about this in broad brush strokes as a queer lens.

But there's a great ven diagram (which of course I've lost the link to) that approaches the idea of and queer lens by tunneling into its approach and intent:

about queers

by queers

for queers

How do different BLs intersect in different ways with these three elements?

When I said "actually gay, not BL gay" I was alluding to this discourse. Specifically the "about queers" category of BL.

There are characters in BL who read as genuinely gay (as in belonging to the queer family of this terrible reality we live in) and then there are those that seem more performative (to exist in a bubble of fantasy were sexual identity is almost unimportant, only the romance matters, everything is safe sweetness & light). For some queers this can read as manipulative or even exploitive (because it is inauthentic to most queer experiences). For me, it's fine... even desirable. I like the safe bubble. I enjoy the utter delusional escapism of it. Sometimes I will call this sanitized gay. (Since it is designed to make gay palatable to non-gay identified folks e.g. seme/uke.)

A sanitized gay BL may be unintentional but it is nested in origin yaoi and mm romance whose target market has never been the queer community, and whose authors have historically not been members of it, either.

Let's be frank, we queers are generally a terrible target market, we don't have enough spending power - especially not for a piece of pop culture as niched as BL. And as creators we really want our voices to be heard (obvs), which makes us produce content that those unsympathetic or uncaring find uncomfortable. (Yes, I know, fuck them, but also, they have all the money and the entertainment industry is a numbers game.)

So in the arena of office romances, just as an example:

actually gay = The New Employee

sanitized gay = Our Dating Sim

actual gay = Step By Step

sanitized gay = A Boss And a Babe

All of the above have the same tropes, archetypes, and premises. All of them are BL. Some are just... queerer feeling than others. And the characters in those shows (Step by Step and The New Employee) read as more "actually gay."

This has nothing to do with the actors, chemsitry, or how much we may personally like the show (Our Dating Sim is one of my absolute favorite BLs). It has to do with how closely those CHARACTERS intersect with the reality of queerness as we inhabit it today. It will be lots of little touches given to the drama by director and script:

language use,

surrounding friendships (and friendship style),

mannerisms and physicality (specially body language around straights vs other queer characters),

makeup & wardrobe,

facial expressions,

surrounding queer-coded behaviors by side characters,

layers of story nuance that indicate a complicated queer-driven back story.

Markers of specifically a queer identity are given to the leads.

These kinds of BLs are satisfying the "about queers" category. ("By queers" can be difficult to extract because IRL outting is involved. "For queers" is the rarest kind of BL, because making something specifically for us often alienates the majority of the rest of viewership/market. I could be argued that SCOY did this.)

I'm sure I've missed things, but I hope that kinda makes sense?

By/For/About discourse from @wen-kexing-apologist here:

Parts 1

Part 2

Part 3

I'm indebted to them for the links!

More Queer Stuff from Yours Truly

BL Linguistics & Queer Identity - I Am Gay versus I Like Men

Will BL Get More Honestly Queer?

Queer lens (from the director) and chemistry (from the actors) in BL (A Tale of Thousand Stars)

Touch & Daisy in Secret Crush On You - Queer Coded Language and 3rd Gender Identity

BL in Taiwan & Gay Marriage

Debating Queerbaiting in BL ( + Devil Judge... is it queerbaiting?)

BL Actors and the Assumption of Queerness - outing actors, coming out, being out, more: Is that BL actor actually queer?

So is it really fetishization? straight women loving bl

Some BL fans are sasaengs, and it’s a problem in this fandom

BLs That Highlight How Society Treats Queers

10 BLs That Are Honest to a Queer Experience

(source)

#asked and answered #bl and queer identity #intersection between BL and queer stories #about queers by queers for queers #thai bl #korean bl #the new employee #step by step the series #actually gay #not bl gay #actually gay not bl gay #BL university

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rayandgay · 9 days

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I love you, Kram.

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firstkanaphans · 4 days

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I’m assuming we have Pit Babe to thank for this fucking fantastic line-up from Change. Is that all it takes to earn money and creative freedom in this industry? A little mpreg? GMMTV, take notes.

#less university BLs more pregnant men #pit babe #change 2561 #i need all of these shows now

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gunsatthaphan · 4 months

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"maybe we should stop."

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blmpff · 2 months

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📢 Old Men Yaoi Alert - both actors are born in 1990!! and with that out of the way:

New bl based on Patrick's (My Ride, Mystique In The Mirror) novel is coming our way, it's called: LAST MEAL UNIVERSE THE SERIES

Shun(旬) was a galactic civil engineer with a unique assignment: demolishing Earth to make way for a new intergalactic expressway. Naturally, we had no clue about this impending doom. However, on his first day, Shun was captivated by the delectable homemade Thai dishes served by ChonDan, the owner of a quaint Thai restaurant.

When we think of superheroes, we often imagine beings with superpowers. But what if our world was saved by the simple flavors of Thai food and an ordinary guy?

more here, our main leads are: Gun Napan and Ritz Rueangritz

they previously acted together (guest roles) in After Sundown (2023) (ZeeNunew MLs)

coming soon~

#old men yaoi lesgo #last meal universe the series #gun napat #Ritz Rueangritz #upcoming bl #thai bl #vs twitter #novel adaptation #do i have high hopes? no #but they are Adults and cooking is involved so count me in #blmpff

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pharawee · 3 months

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Don't let obligation or fear keep you from doing the right thing. You're worth more than Daddy says. And you always have a choice. You still have the right to choose, Way.

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save-the-data · 13 days

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Love Mechanics | S01E02

Thai Drama - 2022, 10 episodes

#Drama: Love Mechanics #TDrama #LGBTQ+#Romance #University Life #Enemies to Lovers #Adapted from a Novel #กลรักรุ่นพี่#YinWar #War Wanarat #Yin Anan Wong #Prom Ratchapat #Thai BL #BL GIFS #Thai Drama - 2022 #Drama: 2022 #Post: Repost

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asterdust · 4 days

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loud and proud twink got isekai'd in an era where they became a closeted count ???? harem goodness ??? THE NUT SUPANUT (BEC HE DESERVES A SPECIAL MENTION HERE) ?????? everybody better tune in to "I'm The Most Beautiful Count" (ฉันนี่แหละท่านขุนที่สวยที่สุด)

#I'm the most beautiful count #im the most beautiful count #ฉันนี่แหละท่านขุนที่สวยที่สุด #nut supanut #just when im currently missing his face #THE UNIVERSE GIVES HIM BACK TO ME #thai bl

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respectthepetty · 2 months

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Miss Tiffany's Universe is a pageant for Thai trans women.

Yoshi from The Sign was the 2017 winner,

And now we have Rock from City of Stars who was the 2020 winner.

I like that several BLs feature trans women,

but I'm especially loving that they are being cast as love interests.

I'd fall in love with a woman too when she looks that good in a LEMONADE STAND UNIFORM!

Thank you, City of Stars, for giving me another beautiful woman to gaze at and for another week of my Big Dragon sides.

Appreciated.

#city of stars #city of stars the series #thai bl #miss tiffany's universe #Yoshi Rinrada #Rock Kwanlada

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absolutebl · 2 years

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Hey!! Just wanted to let you know (since replies for me are broken for some reason) that I spent the last few months working through your BL “Film Class” Syllabus and just finished!! I had already seen some of the BLs on the list but looking at them in a different way was fascinating. I had SO MUCH FUN. I miss studying sociology formally so much and this scratched that itch. 🥰 Thank you!!!

OMG you’re my first graduating student!!!

I should give you an award or something?

HERE!

(we are talking about this master post)

#my baby's all gowd up and graduating #BL university #BL graduation day #congratulations #thai bl #asian bl #i'm a dork

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rayandgay · 27 days

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It's because I got to know you.

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diyakkul · 4 months

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⋆｡𖦹 °.MY AO3 MASTERLIST (AONUNETE)🐚⋆❀˖°

hello helloଳ⋆｡˚ doing a little list of my finished & ongoing works on AO3 because... why not? all aonunete / loreya & kirotxo implied or as minor relationships.

♡ enemies to lovers trope ⋆｡˚

I. Things I Hate About You | + Human AU & Celebrity AU

status: completed! / rating: teen and up audiences ☆ Neteyam and Ao'nung are bitter enemies who end up in a romantic plot twist.

II. He's Good For My Heart (Bad For Business) | + Human/Modern Royalty AU & Bodyguard AU (new!)

status: ongoing! / rating: teen and up audiences ☆ In which Jake has enough of Neteyam's shenanigans and hires Ao'nung as his personal bodyguard. "Your father has hired me to keep you in check, make sure you're not pulling off any more of that shit, and I'm going to do my job." (..) "So either be a good boy, or we'll have trouble," Ao'nung darkly whispered before pulling back. "Have I made myself clear, Your Highness?"

♡ fake dating/friends to lovers trope ⋆｡˚

I. Just Once! | + Human AU

status: completed! / rating: teen and up audiences ☆ “Can you, please, fake being my boyfriend?” Neteyam looked deep into his eyes, begging, “Just once.” This was nowhere near what Aonung expected when Neteyam came to him asking for help.

♡ less specific tropes ⋆｡˚

I. It's just You and Me (dancing in the Moonlight) | + canon divergence & tooth-rotting fluff

status: completed! / rating: general audiences ☆ The Night of Lovers is a unique occasion where everyone can profess their love and feelings for a special someone. Neteyam has a plan, but things might not unravel as he wishes (or, he might not be the only one with a plan).

II. How You Get The Boy | + Human AU & Hockey AU & College AU

status: ongoing! / rating: teen and up audiences ★ Ao'nung's always been presumptuous, kind of. Charismatic and self-conceived, he knows he has the looks to woo whoever he wants, and being the captain of his hockey team is nothing but a deadly weapon to his flirtatious causes. The way Neteyam Sully plainly ignores him, however, highly infuriates him.

for AO3 users only! Red means I Love You | + Scream Movies AU & Human AU

status: completed! / rating: explicit (for violence & blood) / archive warnings: graphic depictions of violence ☆ After the Sullys have moved to a townlet in Awa'atlu, several mysterious murder cases begin to shock and frighten the whole town. Oddly enough, each victim seems linked to Tsireya, and unfortunately, Ao'nung notices.

! will eventually update if there are changes or new fics to add˚˖𓍢ִִ໋🫧˚˖𓍢ִ✧˚

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gunsatthaphan · 5 months

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#cooking crush #cooking crush the series #cooking crush ep3 #offgun #tenprem #ten x prem #off jumpol #gun atthaphan #gmmtv #thai bl #bl drama #how are these men in their 30s i just--#whats wrong with the universe

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goldenquillarchive · 3 months

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Love me out loud

a Idol!Kim and Bodyguard!Kenta AU!

↓Masterlist

In a whirlwind of fame and scrutiny, international k-pop sensation Minsu Kim retreats to his roots in Thailand, seeking solace from the chaos.

As whispers of him leaving his company and his scandal follow him even there, Kim enlists the help of a bodyguard, to shield him from the relentless gaze of the media.

Around the people he loves most, and with the help of Childhood nostalgia, Kim discovers unexpected truths about himself and his heart, leading to a journey of self-discovery and perhaps even love.