#DarkDany

[fedonciadale]

Is Jon putting people in ice cells the same as Dany having people tortured?

Hi there,

No.

There is a difference between acting within the system and acting out of the boundaries of any system.

Justice in Westeros is harsh, but prisoners at the Wall are usually put into the ice cells - partly because prisoners are not treated well anywhere and partly because the NW is a bunch of already convicted people (that is why they have the death sentence). So, if Jon put Arnolf Karstark into the ice cells he acted according to what was his right as LC, even if he anticipated that he would have to arrest Arnolf and sort of goaded him into it. That it is a harsh treatment that is not compliant with human rights today is out of the question.

Dany is torturing arbitrarily according to her own inner system of what she thinks is right and wrong. She tortures the children of a man who is under suspicion to get information she thinks she needs.

Even Joffrey acted according to the law when he beheaded Ned. It was not what had been agreed on but there can be no doubt that he as a king was within his rights to punish treason with death.

There is a reason why arbitrary justice is a major red flag for tyrannies. There is a reason why mistreating, torturing the relatives of peoples suspected of being criminals (rememer that the wineseller is not even convicted!) is forbidden in any decent legal system.

I think that GRRM sees acting outside the existing legal/societal system as a huge red flag. There is a reason Jon arrests Arnolf before he had a chance to invoke guest right.

Thanks for the ask!

#anon ask #DarkDany #Jon

[redwolf17]

Curious how do you think Dany’s Winds of Winter arc will go?

Hoo boy. In brief:

Dany kills Khal Jhaqo with Drogon’s help and claims his khalasar

Dany returns to find Meereen either taken by her enemies or about to be. Dany unleashes her new khalasar and Drogon, winning but with massive casualties

At some point, Dany meets Tyrion; he acts as a devil on her shoulder

Dany heads west, burning down Volantis on the way

?????

That’s my best guess, anyhow, based on ADWD, TWOW sample chapters, general foreshadowing, and where the tv show went with her Essos plot line

#asoiaf meta #tbh I could be wildly wrong #I suspect GRRM did some rewrites after he saw the response to darkDany in the show

[reginarubie]

I read your post of D@ny being or having a parallel with the anti-christ(long time by now) and i don't remember if you have commented something on D@ny crucifying the slavers? I asking because it just clicked to me what she has done and i dont know if this is just a coincidence haha

Ciao anon!

Finding Dany so interesting I wrote quite a bit about her, biblical, pagan, historic and dark Targaryen lore!

I actually wrote quite a bit about it in many posts, too many times that I’ve lost count, (and it is most certainly not a coincidence, Martin did it on purpose) but here are some of them:

- Justice of Asoiaf (this one is mostly show-canon but I think it serves for a secular interpretation of the matter) in this you will find my opinion on the matter, which I reiterate often but you read this you get the gists of what I think about it.

- Biblical dark Dany, part II — Dany vs Christ (this just points out that they couldn’t be more different, someone had commented on how instead of Lucifer she had parallels with Christ and I was like “no”)

Also in the entire dark Dany metas I go in a bit deeper in the whole deal of darkDany (biblical and secular) and not only her crucifying the random masters, but also of how she engages in blood sacrifices, torture and never truly frees the Unsullied and why hers is the utopia of a dictator or how her not giving justice to the boy who came with his older siblings murdered, his father killed and his mother raped and killed does not bode well for either Young Griff or Jon.

Also, for pagan and historic I have done (Dany and oriental decoded Venus; Dany and Cleopatra).

I know this is more than you asked for, but hope you enjoy anyway! Hope you have a great day!

#ask the hag #dark daenerys #anon asks

[sweetestpopcorn]

Can i just say its really nice to see a book fan that ships book daemyra. I always see book fans ship Daemon with laena/mysaria/nettles and just bash daemyra with the arguement that Daemon never loved Rhaenyra in the book.

Hi there! 😄

Well I've been here since 2019 - sure you have been a fan for way longer than this cursed year too - and I can say that while there is some true to what you say, I had a considerable number of people following my fic and liking book Daemyra so I don't think it's that rare.

Like many things in our world I think simply sometimes a small number of people are just a lot more vocal and loud than others, and because of this they give us the impression they are in the majority when in fact they are not.

A lot of very active book fans that produce content are not Targaryen fans. In fact they are mostly antis and the only Targs they like are either the victims (which are "morally ok" to like), are "less" Targaryen and usually it's best if they have parents from certain houses - think of a stag or think of a sun and a spear - or they say they "like" Targaryens because of how *chokes back laughter* dark they are and proceed to do such things as writing DarkDany or writing Rhaenyra like a sociopathic Lolita kind of character, or other similar things.

From my experience in the fandom actually I would say the person Daemon is shipped the less with is Mysaria. Way less than Rhaenyra actually. And when he's shipped with Nettles or Laena mostly it's like a personality shift happened and he's soft as a lamb and such a great guy... only with them though 'cause that's how love works! You do a 180. So in a way... is Daemon being shipped with them, or are they just creating a new character with all of Daemon's cool aspects and ignoring the bad so he can like "good girls" who are less Targaryen, like Laena - who has little personality in the books - and has a "Baratheon" mom or Nettles because they are sure she has NO Targaryen/Valyrian blood which of course makes her automatically a great person. Why are they sure? Because she doesn’t look like it and we know full well no one ever like the “Velaryon” princes did not look Targaryen while being so. Nope. If you don’t look Valyrian you don’t have Valyrian blood. 😊

The problem is that people in fandoms a lot of time feel like if you like X you support X, and unless you can find a LOT of reasons to justify you liking something problematic, you are *insult some insult starting with P or N you know what those are*.

Like I'm sorry, I don't need some holier than thou reason to like the Targaryens like they wanted to unite Westeros against the Others. I don't. Because it's fiction, I have an actual personality and don't depend on others' approval so I don't have to change my views every 5 seconds, and I can like the Targaryens because they are the hot people with silver hair and purple eyes who ride dragons and have cool names. I don't need anything else. I own my f:cking sh:t. Thank you and good night.

Back to Daemon and Rhaenyra - book Daemon and Rhaenyra btw which are the only ones I consider because they are the only ones with a congruent and compelling personality and actions that make sense - there are many things to them that would make people both not like them and (especially) be more quiet about it.

For once the "vocal" "intellectual" side of the fandom doesn't approve, so to fit in you have to be quiet. And I have seen this with friends. Them sharing something about them, some sad person got triggered called them out and they just deleted the post. Isn't it good when you feel like you can't express your views? And if it happened to her, why wouldn't it happen to others?

There are many problematic aspects to their relationship. They don’t have to be Romeo and Juliet to be interesting. But this is the thing with most people, it’s either all or nothing. Either black or white. I would think this fandom would be different given what the material they are fans of is, but they aren’t. Most people don’t get nuance and they can’t wrap their minds around it. And then this takes us back to the issue of a loud crowd won’t like them and the ones who do have to keep quiet else they will be shamed. You know, Karen shamed, and on this regard you know who this fandom reminds me of? Christian moms in the early ‘00 saying the school shootings happened because them kids were listening to Marilyn Manson and the EvIl rock and roll 🤡 and worshiping Satan of course. Also in this note please do me all a favour hit up some science journals and see if there is a link between aggression and playing violent videogames. You’re welcome! Just because you like something in fiction doesn’t mean you condone in real life. I can understand the problematic aspects of a ship find it compelling in fiction and not support any of it in real life. These realities are not mutually exclusive.

Last point but also important and I see this a lot in this fandom too. A lie that’s told too many times becomes the truth. And since the very vocal crowd keeps saying Daemon didn’t love Rhaenyra and even funnier that Rhaenyra didn’t love Daemon - I have no idea how this can be an idea someone has at the end of Fire and Blood but hey people still believe that Rhaegar r worded lyanna so… whatever I’m tired - people start to take that for evidence. I lost count of the amount of takes that became facts in some people’s minds and like dude… go to the source, the books, not shitty metas and co that others (myself included) write. Go. To. The. Books. To. Make. Your. Damn. Mind. I’m tired. Don’t take anyone’s word for it. Mine included. A prime example of this is Mushroom’s tale and how people have twisted it around so much that they don’t even know what Mushroom actually said and believe the inaccurate things others said that Mushroom said. Again, hit the books.

Like I have explored at length, there’s a lot to like and find compelling about Daemon and Rhaenyra. Their passion. Their dynamic. The fact that they are the best and worst of House Targaryen. The endless game of power they play with each other that none can win and that ultimately was their downfall… this makes for a great story… if you have the stomach for it. It isn’t about one changing the other, it’s about two people who mirror each other in many ways, complement each other in others, who are destined to be with each other… and that ultimately are doomed because of their circumstances. This is all true in the books and why I think they are so iconic.

In the show though LOL!

I have no fcking clue how anyone who watched redacted can like Matt/Renada. Not one. And sorry “cool” sentences now and then like “we were always meant to burn together” mean sh:t honey when you went to f:ck another dude cause dude 1 couldn’t get hard and you still had dude 1’s saliva in your mouth and finger grease downstairs. Have class! Have some standards! No person ever would act like this!

But let’s just pull out a cool list of all the reasons redacted gives us to ship Matt and Renada:

He acts creepy and she mostly looks annoyed at him and only cares about Alicia. If her and Alicia weren’t so unlikable and such sht for characters I might ship them cause they clearly are the end game.

He acts like a man child and she goes over there to scold him. Ladies don’t you love it when guys act like this? Like children and not like men? Something that really gets any woman’s blood pumping.

He has ample opportunity to seduce her effectively, you know, like in the books. To make her fall in love with him, to give us all that passion, that fire, yet instead he… takes her to a br0thel and embarrasses himself and gets kicked out in a day. Wow. Never would I have believed this would happen if someone told me like two years ago. I would laugh!

Can’t get hard because ReAsOnS (yes I read the explanation and my a** laughed a LOT makes no sense and contrary to popular belief a man’s conscience does not inhabit in their pants) and then girboss gaslight gatekeep Renada just goes to another man to bang her. Oh btw she was a virgin until then who had not as much as been kissed. Totally logical behaviour she displayed in the entire episode. Not. The fact that people eat this crap up just tells me that the standards are bellow ocean level. Also for all of you thinking this is romantic of Matt let’s switch this around and pretend that Renada couldn’t get 💦 so he decided to go and fck someone else. Ugh so romantic ❤️ like I have no illusions and I know how problematic Daemon and Rhaenyra are in canon but come the f:ck on! At least in the books they actually desired each other physically! And Rhaenyra had bear minimum curtesy of not f:cking another man because yolo when Daemon was there! Actually funny thing hehe only time she got another dude - Harwin Strong - was when Daemon wasn’t there! But what do I know? *stares into camera*. Also small note on this, y’all show fans can mock “Crispin” all you want but at least unlike the pathetic character you like he can get hard. Fck, you know who I like on this show? Lana who told Matt some damn facts and killed herself instead of being married to his pathetic ass. Good on you Queen! I want an AU where Lanna dracarys Matt and his limp d and goes off to live her best life! I need this AU!

We have more like, Matt going to Renada’s wedding - not like in canon he was nowhere near - and just… being a limp D again. By GOD never has a character ever had so much LDE (limp d:ck energy). He’s such a loser!

Also Renada actively wanting and agreeing to marry Lenny -> that friendly reminder canon Rhaenyra was forced to marry Laenor against her will, and that she had her own ideas about who she wanted to marry. But canon Rhaenyra actually makes sense unlike Renada here. Oh she loved Matt so much! You know what I pray no one ever loved me like Renada loved Matt. Help me on this on J.

More still, her going after Matt when he returns like a desperate chick. Where’s the strong girlboss now? Ah yes in the same place as when she needs daddy to help her ❤️ nowhere. You know what I love about canon Rhaenyra, the fact that yes this b:tch was a romantic and Daemon simp but when the fire got hot she had some back bone. She was the one who told Daemon to go get Vaemond and collect his head. Her reaction wasn’t to cry - one of the only times in the show Renada had any emotion btw - it was to say oh yeah, fck you then Vaemond! Daemon time to kill him. But show fans complain book Rhaenyra is like Sandra 🤡 get f:cked. If you only pull out your girlboss moments to have toxic masculinity traits such as using man, you are a joke.

Also her and Matt actively not having a real marriage and making their kids bastards. Amazing. So romantic. ❤️❤️ but of course unlike actual Daemon, Matt is a loser who can kill his wife but not Lenny to free Renada for himself. You know what’s like to be a dragon? Take what you want like Daemon did when he got rid of Laenor and took Rhaenyra. But in redacted we have to really emasculate men as much as possible so the Uemen! Shine through and have their yass queen 👸🏼 girlboss moments ❤️ yass queen humiliate that dude who actually cared for you and wanted to give you the best he had to offer ❤️👏🏻 love it.

Ah Yes also the “YoU wErE a ChIlD I sPaReD YoU” ❤️ so romantic… when you ignore the fact the married Lana who was 15 🤡 about 3 years younger than Renada who was 18. But he didn’t try to seduce her before because reasons 😉 www. none of this makes sense.com. Also if you use medieval standards for bullsht lies such as birth use them for ages as well bestie. A 18 year old would not be seen as a child by ANYONE back then. I need wine.

And of course more bullish:t like she saying it was his war 🤡 hahahahhaha and him chocking her. On that note that was the only scene I was teamMatt cause I can’t stand the showArya and Cersei wannabe. I’m team guy who is cosplaying as AegonIII on this one! Like King end her please! Please!

So all in all this all to say, I have no f:cking idea how anyone can like them on the show. He’s a pathetic loser she’s a joke, neither of them act consistently from one scene to the next… are the standards this low? I know the answer is yes 😔

Ask more of entertainment people! Ask more of writers! At the very least ask them to write about believable characters and stop accepting everything and eating up the trash that comes out of delusional clowns’ - like Ryan - mouths.

Sorry for the rant. I need to save my energy for the podcast.

Btw I’m thinking of making myself a mug saying “YOUNG FRESH COUPLE” 🙆🏽‍♀️ guess who it’s in honour of?

All the best to you Anon 🥰

#rhaenyra targaryen #daemon targaryen #the rogue prince #the realms delight #the princess and the queen #fire and blood #daemon x rhaenyra #canon rhaenyra targaryen #canon daemon targaryen #renada tedesco #matt detesco #the limp prince #house of redacted #house of parody #the bar is below sea leves #popcorn answers

[dilebe06]

Madò quanto mi puzza la resa di Rhaenyra in House of the dragon. Sento quest'odore di darkDany fatta male delle ultime stagioni di GOT e mi sale il crimine.

Spero di sbagliarmi, perché ci manca solo che Rhaenyra sbrocchi nelle ultime due puntate per farci il colpone di scena e per me si può chiudere tutto e buonasera.

#house of the dragon #hotd #anti rhaenyra targaryen #🤞🤞🤞

[disneyprincessbuffyannesummers]

inspo

#daenerys targaryen #daenerys stormborn #darkdany #i swear if i get drama on this post #u will be blocked #i mean can't you just block the darkdany tag? #my art #my edit #daenerys targaryen edit #targaryen edit

[nlights37]

Lamentation

Season 8 happens and Targaryen madness manifests itself in Jon Snow. But maybe it’s not madness at all. A fic in which I don’t fix shit, just go full dark, no stars with Jon, Daenerys, and the child he didn’t know she carried.

OR

Jon puts Westeros in his fuck-it bucket.

https://archiveofourown.org/works/21572644

#jon x daenerys #jonerys #fanfic #darkjon #darkdany #maybe theyre just fed up with Westeros bullshit? #suicide attempts #dany is ressurected

[thedtels]

Where the Fuck is Jon?!

I’d like him back please.

The only explanation for his behavior is that he’s still deep undcover. Because, I don’t know him.

#jon snow #political!jon #crow #king in the north #whatthefuck #whoisthisguy #😡 #imeanhedidntevengiveghostapropergoodbye #darkdany #jonsa #anti targ restoration #thekinginthenorth #got #gameofthrones #thefuck #isthis #characterassasination

[everythingjonsa]

Would she do the same?

Episode 1 impressions - Part 2

It has been obvious since season 7, that even while they were setting up Jon and Dany for a romance, they were also setting them up for a clash.

Even if we discuss this from a cinematic PoV, the plot of Jon vs Dany needed some essential elements.

1. Jon’s view of Dany vs What Jon doesn’t know about her.

2. Burning of the Tarlys - Father and brother of a man whom Jon trusts more than anyone else. So basically, Daenerys is to Sam what Joffrey/Tywin are to Jon.

3. Jon needed to let go of his title willingly, when presented with a choice between saving his people or retaining his crown. And his people needed to know that.

4. Thanks to Tyrion, now the north and the other lords know - That they have only Jon Snow to thank - if they survive this war with the dead. He risked his life not just to convince Dany but also Cersei.

5. I was born to rule the seven kingdoms and I will vs. Titles don’t matter. In other words a want for power vs. A desire for the greater good.

The parentage reveal imo was used more as a tool to create a further divide between the personalities of Jon and Dany than a life shattering moment for Jon. It’s perhaps for this very reason that some people found the highly anticipated reveal, rather underwhelming.

The complications of the fact that Dany is his Aunt and they are in an intimate relationship, is pushed aside to give way for a bigger conflict.

The question about who is the true king.

Which also seeks to imply that the above is more important.

Sam asks Jon two very important questions that have already set up Jon against Dany.

1. Would you have done it?

Sam is not really expecting an answer from Jon. He KNOWS Jon wouldn’t have done it. It’s obviously going to get worse once they know the method of execution. In Sam’s mind, Jon is already a better ruler. THAT - was the point of his question.

2. You gave up your crown to save your people. Would she do the same ?

Again this was a rhetorical question. Sam was trying to make a point. We, as an audience, are supposed to ruminate over this as the episodes to come are going to slowly unfold the answer.

It’s obvious that Sam doesn’t trust Dany to make the right choices as a ruler. Jon is the rightful heir as well as Sam’s choice for the throne.

Jon: Daenerys is our queen

Sam: She shouldn’t be.

He’s made his choice clear. So will the rest of Westeros when the Great War is over.

Who is responsible for uniting the entire realm against the fight with the dead? - Jon Snow

Who risked his life to convince two rival queens so that Westeros could be saved ? Jon Snow

Who gave up his crown to protect his people without giving a second thought ? Jon Snow

So, the question Sam wants us to ponder about is - Who is the better choice for the throne? There’s no need to type out an answer.

I loved the last scene. When Jamie sees Bran, it’s like his entire life flashes before his eyes. Wonderful performance by Nicolaj!! Just in his expression, you feel it all.

By the way, I got this feeling that Bran had a more compassionate look on his face when he was staring at Jamie than at Dany. He’s almost rude to her, even for his robotic self.

Lemme know what you think!!

#jonsa #darkdany #dark!dany #gots8spoilers

[littledovejonsa]

Jonsa fam

I recently started looking for internships and this blog, which is pretty new and still has been called one of the best youth blogs in the world just published my first article...you might wonder why I'm telling you this well that's because it's about the latest Game of Thrones episode and even through I had to shorten and simplify things, a lot, for the general public it's still something I'm proud of because in this way I get to introduce our theories to the general public... So without further ado here you go:

#game of thrones #jonsa #got #sansa stark #jon snow #sansaxjon #jonxsansa #actually jonsa #actuallyjonsa #darkdany #political jon

[fedonciadale]

Hi there! Randomly sliding in your ask box, but do you think GRRM overglorifies D and the Targsa bit too much? Right now, the son of an ousted dictator is dangerously coming close to being the next president of the country. I've noticed that some relatives of mine who blindly support him were also D stans, and while I understand GRRM's intention was too study how tyrants are made, some people just don't seem to get that and think that this type of character is what we should look for in a leader. Do you think the show or GRRM himself failed to get that point across to viewers and readers by glorifying the Targs for popularity and profit?

Hi there!

And the son of a dictator even made it. Yikes... 😑

I don't think GRRM failed to be honest. He hasn't finished the books and it remains to be seen how he'll bring Dany's arc to an end. I think people actually see the red flags and there is the famous Meereenese essay whose author was praised by GRRM for "getting it right". And it's not as if "Fire and Blood" glorifies the Targs. Even Targs we might have thought beforehand were pretty decent (like Jaeherys the Old), we now know to be almost as bad as the others. I don't think anybody can read Fire and Blood and stick to the believe that the Targs are good.

I think it is a bit different for the show. D&D prioritized the hiding of the DarkDany twist over everything else and then they managed to even botch that. They did such a bad job that people just refused to believe that Dany burning King's Landing will be canon and accused D&D of doing "fanfiction".

They postponed Dany's fall to the very last moment, by alternating her "red flag" moments with triumphant moments. They wanted to milk their cash cow to the last moment and that is why they failed. They should have committed to really depicting Dany's fall.

So, I would say that D&D failed to unmask Dany as a tyrant in a convincing and compelling way. But that does not alter the fact that the character is a tyrant and that people just refuse to see it. And sadly enough this is what happens sometimes as well.

One of the most haunting experiences I ever had was reading the diaries of Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's Propaganda minister. These are not personal diaries but were meant to describe Hitler's ascent to power. And despite knowing that he was an evil man, that he supported an evil dictator, I could still feel the pull of his words and was always on the edge of catching myself to nod at the easy explanations, the black- and white painting of political problems, the disdain for the slow procedure of democratic politics. To this day I shudder how easy it would have been to be lured in, if I had not known who wrote these books.

This is imho exactly the reason why we need to unmask dictators - fictional and real ones. We shouldn't fall for their "everything will be solved once I'm in charge" or their "I'll do this a lot more efficiently". They spoonfeed us easy explanations. We should reject them and talk about the complexity of the world that doesn't have easy solutions.

Thanks!

#anon ask #DarkDany #Sorry it took me so long #haven't been at my best lately #tyranny #How to see it #How to unmask it

[ijennyathome]

Dany giving Tyrion totally free agency about serving her. Or......? Not really huh? 

#darkdany #dark dany #anti dany stans #dark!dany #dark daenerys #jonsa

[literaryheart]

So I watched Winterfell again, with my boyfriend this time. He used to be a Dany stan. But during the scene when Dany said about Sansa: "I'm her queen, if she can't respect me..." He was like: what's wrong with her she needs to calm down. And he said that we beggin to see her real face. I used to like her too, and yes characters are grey in ASOIAF, but Let's face the evidence, Dany is more a deep shade of grey, Thanks to Sam the viewers can think about it now.

#Game of thrones #Jonsa #Darkdany

[eonweheraldodemanwe]

“While the lion of Lannister and the direwolf of Stark snarl and scrap, however, a second and greater threat takes shape across the narrow sea, where the Dothraki horselords mass their barbarian hordes for a great invasion of the Seven Kingdoms, led by the fierce and beautiful Daenerys Stormborn, the last of the Targaryen dragonlords. The Dothraki invasion will be the central story of my second volume, A Dance with Dragons.”

There you have a quote from George Martin from the original outline of his new book saga to his publisher.

Daenerys Targaryen was the great threat to Westeros from the very beginning. D&D didn´t betray the character in season 8. Instead they failed to conveniently protray and tell her arc by making her a hero and riding the car of empowered female of the decade. It was a subvertion of the classic trope of the special hero with special lineage, powers and destiny. But they never fully commited to it 100%.

But dark Dany was there all along.

#game of thrones #a song of ice and fire #dark dany #daenerys targaryen #anti daenerys #george martin #d&d #DarkDany

[sophiestarke]

The fact that Iain Glen’s “advice” to Jorah is “don’t expect any favours from her (Danaerys)” and “be conscious of that” while a montage of Danaerys standing next to flame plays points almost so clearly to her going dark.

#darkdany #anti danaerys

[disneyprincessbuffyannesummers]

❛Dany never flinches. She is not the same woman who flew away from Daznak’s Pit on the back of a dragon. She is changed, changed utterly, a terrible beauty glaring at Tyrion. She doesn’t have to look. She only allows the faintest hint of a smile. A smile that says: my tyranny’s not ended, motherfucker. It’s only just begun.❯

-GoT:S6:The Battle Of The Bastards-

❮The Dany we knew at the end of ASOS is gone. The one who reaches Westeros will be a very different person. The dragons are now unchained, and the gloves are off.❜

-The Meerenesse Knot-

❛It will be dawn soon. Someone says

“A red dawn,” and Barristan thinks “A dragon dawn.”❯

-TwoW:Selmy1-

#grrm #asioaf edit #emilia clarke edit #daenerys targaryen edit #my art #my edit #darkdany #spoilers for the winds of winter? #house targaryen #daughterofdeath!brideoffire!motherofmonsters! #mad queen daenerys #q