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Angie’s Confessions at Timothy Lock’s G-Spot Transcript [Part 2] (2006)

(originally transcribed by me in 2006 and posted on an old LJ community. These are the same transcriptions from that time and I can no longer verify how accurate it may be. Wayback link to the episode summary here, mp3 link does not work. if anyone still has these audio files/knows how to access them, let me know.)

[part 1 here]

Timothy: On the phone with me right now from sunny Tuscon, Arizona is the fabulous Angie Bowie. Now the one thing that I’m envious about you is that you got to see London in the late sixties and the early seventies. Most of the listeners to this show probably know London from that time period by watching a dance routine from an Austin Powers film.-

Angie: Yes Timothy: Angie tell us what it was really like at that time.

Angie: Well it was, um. London had suffered such devestation from the bombing in the Blitz, that in the 1950s when I first went to London-we stayed at the Cumberland Hotel, I think I wrote this to you in my e-mail.

Timothy: Yes.

Angie: This first trip we stayed at the Cumberland, the second trip at the [unintelligible], and my father’s company paid for this, this was just the way when you worked abroad, it worked. It was nothing to do with being rich, or you know, some kind of wealthy fool, it was to do with being professional. Because he was a professional mining engineer, my dad lived like this. And when we were there, and I had a camel hair coat. A little pale white camel hair coat. Not a brown one. By the end of the stay in London, my mother had to have it dry cleaned, it was covered in soot. By the sixties, the labor government put in the green zone around London, stopped the pollutant industries and the air in London was clean. For the first time a hundred and fifty years. Now that’s really important, it’s important to peoples’ state of mind. You have to understand, the fog that we read about in those 1890s great Sherlock Holmes things, and then when Agatha Christie even describes it in the thirties, that is all part of the fact that the place was overcast with this gluey soot from all the industry. Now it made the country rich, so you know what I mean, no one’s knocking it, it was just time to clean it up ’cause people had all kinds of, you know, respiratory ailments. They were sick! It was bad! And that action by the government, I think was the first time-there were also other things. Part of the reason that Winston Churchill was able to get the people to stay with him during World War II was he promised them council housing, benefits, some kind of health insurance so they would not be like just dying in the street unable to afford a doctor. And when all those things were implemented in the 1960s, the lower and middle classes saw some joy at last!

Timothy: Mm hmm.

Angie: So their creativity flourished. And you got all these wonderful people like the Chris Stamps and his brother Terrence Stamps, Vidale [unintelligible], You know, I wish I could think of them all off the top of my head. The lady Barbara [unintelligible], , who did [unintelligible], . All these people just exploded and showed their brilliance and their creativity. And they weren’t in the House of Lords, and they weren’t anything to do with the upper class. And sports, same thing. All of a sudden there was Georgie Best and all these people that we could look at and think ‘wow, those are real people’. Until then it was Charles-big ears-Windsor!

Timothy: [laughs]

Angie: That was the biggest teen idol there was! Then we had Adam Faith and we had all these-you know, apart from Elvis and all the huge ones-I’m talking local. You know, we had local heroes.

Timothy: Right

Angie: And uh, so London-as you walked around London, you could fall over a hero. And that was what was magic. It was enchanting. Have I helped? Have I made any sense whatsoever?

Timothy: You totally have. And you know what? I think if you look at that era, especially in London, a-a, we’ll move forward a few years, and you think of classic rock star partners. There are a handful-rock star wives if you want to call it that-there are a handful that come to mind that made an impact. Now, stay with me on this one.

Angie: Okay. Timothy: Bianca Jagger. Yoko Ono. Linda McCartney. Yourself. Now, when you look at the music industry nowadays, it seems that the focus has shifted from the person that builds up the rockstar, the rockstar’s wife. It’s now the footballer’s wife. Do you think the glamour and mystique of the rock star’s wife is over?

Angie: Oh no. No no. That’s all inherent in-in…the package.

Timothy: Yeah.

Angie: You know. [sigh] Linda McCarnty was a brilliant woman.

Timothy: Yes

Angie: She was really nice. I-ya know, I really liked her. I love vegetarians, I think people that are vegetarian are so cool.

Timothy: Yeah

Angie: I’m a meat eater, I can’t help it. I go to shit if I don’t have, you know, steak once a month. I’ve got to have a big piece of nearly raw meat once a month. I can’t stand it. And I eat a lot of fish, I need all that protein. Um. Linda was totally cool, I think she was such a great wife and friend to Paul. I think that’s why his career has been-just-there’s a continuity and a longevity to it. It’s impressive.

Timothy: Yeah

Angie: You know, I-I watched a documentary the other day about them going to Russia. I’m sure you’ve seen it, it’s a wonderful documentary. You suddenly realize the power of music. Everything, all that Cold War-all that innuendo, all that, you know, flapping of boots and general, you know, rattling their sabers at each other, this super power rubbish-I-I really believe the Beatles and rock and roll were probably…I think they probably brought down that wall in Berlin more than anything else. Because the music travelled. You know, a cassette-yeah, yeah you could go to jail for it, but most of the time it got through and people would sit in their houses and listen to rock and roll, and think ‘you know, that’s so cool’. Dancing and music and having a good time and being able to express yourself.

Timothy: Yeah

Angie: That’s important stuff. And she was a part of that. Bianca too, she’s a social activist now, she was very, um, effective in New York with this, uh, fungal type of stuff that they have in old old real estate there. Poor girl she got sick from it I think and brought it to the public’s attention and I’ve known a lot of people who’ve been sick. My friend and agent Clarence in Los Angeles, the same thing happened to in an apartment building he lived in. So she’s an interesting person. And Yoko Ono’s my big fave, because I like her music. I think she’s really very talented, and I loved the way she thought, with the bed-in in Amsterdam, I thought the whole idea of staying in bed for peace was a perfect example of how you can really use your energy instead of killing people.

Timothy: Yeah

Angie: It was clever. She’s a visiualist, I love the way that-she did a great movie of people’s bums. She’s done a lot of interesting work.

Timothy: Now, do you see that creativity nowaday in people, ’cause I’m thinking of people like Victoria Beckham, who’s married to David Beckham. Do you understand where I’m going with this?

Angie: Who, Posh Spice?

Timothy: Yeah

Angie: Well, the question is, you see what you’re getting into now is anthroplogy, and what happens is this. And, and I’m very glad to have this oppurtunity to talk with you about it. If I get boring, say ‘you know what Angie, enough now’

Timothy: Yeah

Angie: Um, this is what I’ve found. I’ve been preparing a new book and while preparing the new book, you know you start thinking about different questions. One of the questions I have a real problem with is the labelization of capitialism. A lot of the kids I met in London and talked to were very dissapointed in me. Very dissapointed that I hadn’t been enormously successful and gotten all kinds of money from David.

Timothy: Right

Angie: They were like, ‘But you’re Angie Bowie!’ And I’d go ‘Yeahhh, annnd what does that mean?’ ‘But you’re a star!’ ‘No, I’m just me. Look, I’m standing here chatting with you, what are you talking about?’ Now when you label-this is a big subject, I really don’t want to bore you. When you start to make everything into a label-

Timothy: Yes

Angie: Back to Posh Beckham, I mean Posh Spice, whatever.

Timothy: Yeah

Angie: Sometimes there isn’t room for more than one message.

Timothy: Right

Angie: The great thing about Linda McCartney and Paul McCartney was that Linda’s message was different. Paul was inclusive, he included her because he insisted, and how clever of him. But her photographs, her sense of style which her daughter seems to be very impressed with-I-I never really thought about the way she dressed or the way she looked with any particular impact. I just thought she looked nice. You know, she was, she looked fine.

Timothy: Yeah

Angie: But I really thought that her vegetarianism, her real [stammers] marvelous ability at taking photographs was talent enough. You know what I mean?

Timothy: Yeah

Angie: And because it was in a little different direction then Paul, it didn’t impinge on what he was doing. And then when he included her in the music, and she was so creative that she was able to join in and be a real asset to the band, that was good too. The problem is I think that with labeliz-labeling now, you know, I’m a marketing major so for me this is what I breathe every day.

Timothy: Right

Angie: I-I don’t like the way that is. I don’t want to buy my clothes from a hip-hop singer.

Timothy: Yeah.

Angie: I don’t, you know, I’m not interested in buying it because’s got someone’s name on it. But then I guess I’m not a normal consumer. So what we’re doing is we’re kind of intristically breathing in selectivity through one’s marketing choices. You’re joining a group. Like MySpace.com

Timothy: Y-Yes

Angie: Big Brother is already selecting your likes, your dislikes, the way you represent yourself. You see what I’m saying here?

Timothy: Oh, totally. Angie, this is the first time we’ve actually spoken on the phone, but how long have-we’ve communicated for a couple of weeks through MySpace, which is global, isn’t it amazing the way it-

Angie: Absoultely!

Timothy: Yeah

Angie: Absoultely, and the g-the, the, the great thing about it is, is that for those of us with a little bit of [unintelligible], about being safe and being this and being that, or being in the business.

Timothy: Yeah Angie: We can handle it, so I always-I’m sure you do the same-I-I’m always a little concerned when I look at the papers, you know, and it says ‘Ooh! Fourteen year old child gets visa and passport and goes to the Middle East to meet her MySpace.com friend’. But in a way, how brilliant. How brilliant that these youngsters see everyone as a potential friend.

Timothy: Yeah

Angie: It’s a lot better than, you know, Jihadist Inc., kill anyone in a turban. Which is the other way to go.

Timothy: Mmm.

Angie: Let’s be friends. Let’s all be friends.

Timothy: Globally

Angie: Yeah! Galactically!

Timothy: You know, Angie, can you imagine in ten years from now, if there is a world peace agreement signed and the person whose signature on the bottom of the peace agreement is the guy who runs MySpace.com

Angie: Rupurt Murdoch?

Timothy: [laughs]

Angie: I doubt it.

Timothy: [still laughing] Yeah, you’re right, sorry. Maybe the air

Angie: It was a lovely premise, and I love the way you [unintelligible] it, but no.

Timothy: [still laughing]

Angie: It’s not gonna happen.

Timothy: Yeah, well I just I feel the air coming out of that thought bubble right now

Angie: Yeah. Uncle Rup.

Timothy: [laughs] Well, uh, did-do you know what, another thing that we-we’ve talked about briefly before is, you know you’ve stated that you’re openly, proudly bisexual. I’m bisexual as well, but in my case it means that I have to pay for it because I’m a big ugly guy who looks like Lurch from the Addams Family.

Angie: [laughs] You are so terrible!

Timothy: Now-

Angie: Naughty boy you are. Yes, okay, mm-hmm.

Timothy: Now, you speak of bisexuality being a state of mind rather than body. How so?

Angie: It’s, uh, the idea that every single living human creature or not human creature is a kind, good thing that should be treated with respect and kindly.

Timothy: Mm-hmm

Angie: That to me is what it’s all about. It’s seeing the sexuality in food, in massage, in understanding that an older person needs to be hugged.

Timothy: Yeah

Angie: It’s about touch.

Timothy: Right

Angie: It’s not about penetration. I must-I’m sorry if it sounds, uh, I’m not backing off.

Timothy: Yeah

Angie: Don’t think that, that’s [laughs] my poor partner, Michael, will tell you. ‘Back off? She doesn’t know the meaning of the words’

Timothy: Yes

Angie: Uh, that’s not what I’m doing. I’m just trying to be clear.

Timothy: Yes

Angie: You know. I’ve explained how I feel about age and sexuality.

Timothy: Mm-hmm

Angie: I really think people should be adult.

Timothy: Right

Angie: I mean, at least able to-to vote. You know, before you have sex. It’s so much nicer, to not. It was great. I-I hung with a lot of people from fifteen to eighteen. Calvin, Lou Risner, all these people.

Timothy: Yeah

Angie: Didn’t have sex with them.

Timothy: Mm hmm

Angie: They knew I was at college, I’d done a deal with my father. ‘Don’t fuck with me, I’m not interested’.

Timothy: Right

Angie: It’s real easy, you just say to people no.

Timothy: And, but-

Angie: You watch your drink, you make sure you don’t get spiked. You know, that’s it, what else can you do?

Timothy: It’s, it’s, uh, w-what-myself being a gay man, um, what I find is that in the, i-in the gay lifestyle, uh, especially here in London, is it’s-the, the mindset is sex first, let’s talk later. You know, when you wake up in the morning, you look over and say ‘what’s your name?’

Angie: Well, I think that’s true, but I-you know I’m-I don’t really kind of have the same way of approaching that kind of stuff.

Timothy: Yeah

Angie: I-you know, when-I think when you’re raised a Catholic, you get a software pattern in your brain, that once you renounce it, you stil have that kind of jes-my father was-let me tell a quick story and it’ll explain to you.

Timothy: Sure

Angie: My father about blackmail. Okay. My mother was going to go with my brother to join him in the Phillipines

Timothy: Okay

Angie: And they bombed Pearl Harbor. So my father comes back a war hero, right?

Timothy: Right

Angie: She meets him in San Francisco, he had to go into the [unintelligible], for like, a year to get rid of all the bugs. He’s got marlaria, he’s got fifty seven types of parastical things in his intestines, you know what I’m saying.

Timothy: Right

Angie: So, she-after a year, you know what I mean, they get together she says-well, they’re sitting having dinner, at this, the [unintelligible], in San Francisco. And there’s photographs of this evening. And I’ve heard the story so many times, this is why I can tell it with such-she said to him, ‘well, what if we’d gotten there and the Japs had put us in a concentration camp? Would you have saved us darling?’ He said ‘No honey, I’d hope that you would’ve fought them off as they raped you and killed as many as you could as you died’

Timothy: Oh my God

Angie: I grew up believing that.

Timothy: Yeah

Angie: I won’t be blackmailed, I won’t be fucked with.

Timothy: Yeah

Angie: By anybody. Now I-back to your question about gay.

Timothy: Yeah, yeah.

Angie: About the lifestyle.

Timothy: Yes

Angie: [pauses for a moment] You gotta love me

Timothy: Hmm

Angie: You gotta adore me. Before I would even look twice at you in a bar

Timothy: Right

Angie: And it soon became obvious to me that the contents of a bar was not the type of people I wanted to ever know.

Timothy: Right

Angie: Now, the problem is, is that looking for gay partners-now, I met Michael in a bar by the way.

Timothy: Okay

Angie: At an opening. So when I say these things, they’re overall generalizations like authors do. But the truth of the matter is, I try to be honset too about when there’s an exception.

Timothy: Yes

Angie: For gay people, we’ve been stuck underground for so many years, treated with contempt and humiliated. The only place we could meet others like us was in places that had no signs.

Timothy: Yeah

Angie: Little, uh-I remember going to The Gates in London and a girl, an Italian girl, saw me talking to her girlfirend at the bar. She came into the bathroom and pulled a knife on me. I was seventeen years old, I didn’t know what to do. I-I thought, w-well-I-we just came in here-I had no idea that it was so tight and so closed.

Timothy: Mmm

Angie: So I think that, in answer to your question-I talked with Patrick Willie a lot about this. We talked about his clubs down in South London and the kind of events that he sponsers. I think as it becomes more accepted, and-and you realize we have a terrible bottleneck at the moment with the influx of Muslims-

Timothy: Yes

Angie: -people from the Middle East-who are totally and utterly eighteen thousand times worse than Catholics tortured.

Timothy: Yeah

Angie: So, we’re going to have some more rough times.

Timothy: Right

Angie: With our gay rights. A-and that’s a fact of life. And, uh, I just stayed in-and now in answer to your question, yes I stayed by myself for ten years, after Stasha’s father and I split up. Drew Blood. I just stayed alone. And then I met Michael. ‘Cause I was scared. I was scared that if I met someone they would be a child molester and they’d be after my daughter.

Timothy: Right

Angie: See, I didn’t know. You know, I kept thinking to myself, ‘I’ll just stay by myself. Fuck it.’ And then when you stay by yourself it’s good because then the people that really wanna be with you come out of the woodwork.

Timothy: Right

Angie: And they won’t let you escape. You know, you know you’re wanted, that they’ve gotta love me. I think that’s the-a way that helps clean the interested from the oppurtunist.

Timothy: Yeah. We-the-the-just seperating the wheat from the chaff as it were

Angie: Yes, exactly. Nicely put.

Timothy: Now, Angie, in America, uh, what’s the current climate for gays, lesbians and bisexuals under the Bush administration?

Angie: I don’t know, I haven’t really-to be honest, I haven’t really chatted with anyone who’s had a particular uh, problem, you know what I mean.

Timothy: Mm hmm, right

Angie: I-I know that everyone’s up in arms about the-the marriage stuff being divided. It’s like them redistricting the states so that they can get Republicans in.

Timothy: Yes

Angie: Same kind of thing with the marriage, uh, rights issue for gays. They-they’re going to all these different states and try to-any time they accept marriage for gays, then they immediately say that they’re, you know ‘liberal fools’ and blah blah blah. So, you know, they’re using their propoganda machine to make life as difficult as possible. And I think the die-hard

gay couples with some political sense-

Timothy: Yes

Angie: Are riding-you know, weathering the storm quite well. Probably more frightening for youngsters. Because they really believe they’re free.

Timothy: Mmm

Angie: They don’t know yet that they’re not free. I-I read a horrible story about American employers using MySpace.com to check on the references of all teenagers that apply to them. So you know, if they write anything cheeky or cute or, you know, about their sexuality, uh, you know you say the wrong kind of thing you may very well be propsitioned in the stores room. So you know that-that kind of thing, I think for the youngsters it’s more frightening.

Timothy: Do you think America will ever get over its oppresive attitude towards sex and sexuality?

Angie: They’ve gotta get over their attitude to religion before they get over their attitude to sexuality.

Timothy: Yeah

Angie: I mean they still believe in, you know, gods with long white beards and uh, Baptist people, ministers. They just convicted a bunch of Baptist ministers who embezzled, uh, four hundred million dollars of their church-goers retirement fund.

Timothy: In the name of Jesus

Angie: [in Southern Baptist-like voice] In the name of Jesus and the Bapitst Chruch! So until we, you know, let people grow up enough to realize that you don’t go to church to get your housing, to get your, uh, investment oppurtunites, and to get sex.

Timothy: Yeah

Angie: Which is the other thing. You know, we have such scandelous behavior with the Catholic church here. It’s just, it’s a country that runs on cheap sex and religion. And they go to church on Sunday with a hangover and fuck all week. So in answer to your question, uh, no [laughs].

Timothy: [laughs]

Angie: [laughing] I think it’s gonna take a visitation from another planet before they grow up.

Timothy: Now Angie, what do you think would happen if George W. Bush’s daughters, his two teenage daughters, one of them turned out to be bisexual and the other a lesbian?

Angie: You could only thank some great unknown creature in the sky, couldn’t you?

Timothy: Oh, exactly.

Angie: Wouldn’t that be divine retribution?

Timothy: Well, I’m sure you remember, during the presidential campaign, Dick Cheny’s daughter, John Kerry was jumpin’ all over that.

Angie: Well exactly, but you know, like she said you can only do so much. I mean what could she do?

Timothy: Yeah

Angie: You know, she does her best, and her father is supportive. I-I’ve seen him. And he won’t-he just puts his foot down. He says ‘you know, I adore my daughter. Stop. Don’t even go there’. And, and I guess that for a father, that’s better than my father would’ve been.

Timothy: Right

Angie: Mother wouldn’t even show him the letter that-the school sent a letter, tried to hint that I needed some kind of, you know, intervention.

Timothy: Right

Angie: Because, uh, this is a country that believes, you know, you can cure anything as long as you pay for a doctor or someone professional to tell you that, uh, this is how I cash your checks.

Timothy: Now Angie, if you had to write your own eulogy, what would you like said about yourself?

Angie: Oh God. Y-I-the one question I never would’ve even thought of, I can’t think of an answer. I hope someone who’s talked to me like you would write something kind and honest. Say I sought the truth, sought the truth wherever I found it and I tried to pass it on to as many people as I could, though any distribution channel I found.

Timothy: So it’s not basically what you think of yourself, it’s the impact that you’ve made on the people around you and how you’ve touched them.

Angie: I would hope

Timothy: Yeah

Angie: I-I found from the website, you know I had a really nice successful website for the last five years, and I-six years, actually-um, I-I have been so surprised at the amount of people I seem to have touched. It, it made me feel proud of myself.

Timothy: Yeah

Angie: So many women who have said ‘you know [laughs] I-I, when I read your book, I realized I wasn’t alone, and were [transcription note: or we’re?] not the only person it that situation where I’d helped my husband, you know, I’d done all this stuff and then they tried to get rid of them, you know, without-‘…y-you gotta compensate people!

Timothy: Yeah

Angie: Their work for their efforts. You know, no one’s asking for anything they didn’t earn. I’m not that type of person. I don’t do that.

Timothy: Mm hmm

Angie: B-But I found that from the letters on the website, and then all about sexuality. A lot of people from that time said that I made that very clear, ’cause I was on the radio, I did a lot of press interviews, print magazines, I tried to-y’ know, television. I tried to do what I was offered to get the message out there. I really didn’t think that it was worth being well known if you’re not gonna try to say something that helps people.

Timothy: Yeah

Angie: What, what, I’m well known? Well I’m so vain I wanna see my picture? No! I don’t! I wanna say something that helps people or else why am I doing it?

Timothy: Yeah

Angie: True vanity, true stupidity more like. ‘Cause that kind of vanity just leads to your own personal misery.

Timothy: Well, you know what, what I can say is that after having close to an hour long conversation with you, I find you fabulous, I find you funny, I find you photogenic, I love alliteration even though photogenic starts with ‘ph’ for now we’ll p-pretend it starts with an f [laughs].

Angie: [laughs] You’re very kind, and it was a pleasure talking to you Timothy.

Timothy: Angie, thank you so much.

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