#and not to say I know anything about linguistics or anything

[hyperanaemia]

This is a complete non-issue, but a pet peeve of mine in batfam fics is how people describe the accents (or lack thereof). Like, I keep seeing people say such-and-such character (read: Jason) has a "thick Gothamite" accent and then contrast that to another character (usually Tim or Bruce) to say they have a clear "upper-class Gotham" accent. On one hand, I get the want to do a bit of world-building. And wanting to describe the economic differences between the characters. But at the same time. What is this, London? Idk, maybe it's just me but I don't feel like there's a significant difference between the "Standard" American accent and how the Upper Class in America talk. (aside from maybe vocabulary and that's more about access to education) And more specifically for Tim. Even if you're trying to say there's a difference in how the high society of Gotham talks from everyone else. The Drakes have been described as new money multiple times. So I doubt he'd have a noticeable accent. Also, is there really a need to have a unique accent in Gotham when it's literally in New Jersey? Even when fics go out of their way to say the characters have noticeable accents. I rarely see them describe how it sounds or use any unique sayings or slang. I personally doubt the people of Gotham would even sound all that different from the rest of New Jersey. While reading people phonetically type out thick accents is a different kind of hell. If you're going to say the characters in Gotham have accents for world-building purposes, there are so many videos of people talking about the slang and phrases unique to that area so why not use them?

#i know fandom in general is incredibly heavy-handed when talking about stuff like class but I find it annoying 😩 #and not to say I know anything about linguistics or anything #I'm sure someone else much smarter than me about this would have a different opinion about it

[worstloki]

Israelis singing together: we’re coming with our guns to kill those Amaleks, they have no water and electricity, those rats will not survive when we leave our homes to go to war, we want all those Blacks and Arabs dead (electric solo, disco lights)

Palestinians singing together: oh my homeland how you suffer, one day the bloodshed on your soil will stop, one day we will return to our home village, Palestine will be free again (sitting together in a space lit by phone lights)

#The difference between what is being sung by the Zionist and anti-Zionist communities is so stark #even the dammi falastini and veve palestina backgrounds on videos is so different to lyrics and plain racist yelling going around #like idk if the literal actions over the course of over 70 years wasn’t enough maybe this helps people differentiate #not that there’s anything wrong with chants encouraging violence or like war songs but. #it’s worth thinking about what the songs are *saying* #what the overall message in them are #because I’m seeing a lot of ‘killing civilians is what we do!’ in more or less literally those words #as if that is motivating. and then the brushing over the racism that can’t possibly be plain cultural linguistic misunderstandings. #Palestine #I don’t know how blatant israel will have to be before some people realize they’re falling for lies #but the more than cartoonishly shameful comparison of the Palestinian and Israeli perspective seems to help there #even the Palestinian resistance songs are like. we will get rid of the oppressors and plant olive trees #with like explosion footage playing #idk #something about praying for survival and singing about history surrounded by rubble and little else

[visualtaehyun]

The Little Prince

Disclaimer: not a native speaker, still learning 🙏

Some followers or mutuals may know that I started reading the Thai version of The Little Prince and even though I haven't gotten that far into the book yet, I did skip ahead to find the two passages that came up in ep. 1 of Last Twilight. So naturally, I wanted to draw some comparisons with the dialogue in this lovely scene from ep. 8:

บางอย่างเนี่ย /baang yaang niia/ เราไม่ตองใช้ตามอง /rao mai dtaawng chai dtaa maawng/ ก็มองเห็นมันได้ /gaaw maawng hen man dai/ = For some things we don't need to use our eyes to look yet [we] can see them anyway.

ใช่ บางอย่างมันก็ต้องใช้หัวใจรับรู้ /chai. baang yaang man gaaw dtaawng chai hua jai rap ruu/ = Right. Some things need to be perceived by using the heart. เหมือนความรู้สึกพี่ตอนเนี้ย /meuuan kwaam ruu seuk phi dtaawn niia/ LOVE he means love!! all-encompassing, indescribable l o v e! I was almost expecting one of them to express it in words but what we got instead expressed it perfectly in actions

I'm not sure where Day is reciting from in ep. 1 (or if they had to change it for copyright reasons that I'm unaware of??) but it's very slightly different from the book so let's look at both!

เจ้าชายน้อย /jao chaai naawy/, ch. 21, p. 125, the Fox:

[...] เราจะมองเห็นแจ่มชัดด้วยหัวใจเท่านั้น /rao ja maawng hen jaaem chat duuay hua jai thao nan/ สิ่งสำคัญนั้นไม่อาจเห็นได้ด้วยดวงตา /sing sam khan nan mai aat hen dai duuay duuang dtaa/ = We can see clearly only with the heart. What is essential cannot be seen with the eyes.

Day in ep. 1:

เราจะมองเห็นทุกอย่างกระจ่างชัดเมื่อเราใช้หัวใจนำ /rao ja maawng hen took yaang gra jaang chat muea rao chai hua jai nam/ สิ่งสำคัญไม่อาจมองเห็นได้ด้วยตา /sing sam khan mai aat maawng hen dai duuay dtaa/ = We can see everything clearly when we use [our] hearts. What is essential cannot be seen with the eyes.

Sidenote: While trying to find out if Day was reciting from a different translation, I happened upon this article from 2020 which included this lovely photo of one of many Braille translations! :)

Back to the editions at hand though!

My edition is from 2013 and translated by อำพรรณ โอตระกูล (Amphan Otrakul). Hers was the first Thai translation, originally published in 1969. There are uhh a lot of versions by now though.

Judging from what I can see of the cover in ep. 1, my assumption is that Day's version is a print of this 2003 one which says on the cover is still the Otrakul translation but this site credits as being translated by พงาพันธ์ุ โบบิเยร์ (Panga-Phan Bobier), originally in 1997. I know there are three well-known translations and I've checked the one by อริยา ไพฑูรย์ (Ariya Paitoon) (pdf version here) so I'm just gonna stick with the assumption that Day is quoting from the Bobier translation. 🤷‍♀️

And because I'm very highkey in love with this song-

ประตูวิเศษ (Better Days), written by Amp Achariya, specifically Jimmy's lines:

/aat mai hen, dtaae rap ruu duuay jai/ = might not see but perceive with the heart /thee mai hen gaaw dai hen duuay jai/ = what isn't seen can be seen with the heart /kham waa rak man gaaw chat nai jai - praw ter/ = 'Love' is clear in [my] heart - because of you.

#last twilight #เจ้าชายน้อย #morkday #mhokday #local woman harps on about linguistics #again i wonder- am i even saying anything here or am i just presenting some words #the irony of several layers of translation back and forth going on here doesn't escape me but that's just language learning to me #while looking for the version day recites from i even found an academic paper in french comparing the three major thai translations as to #how they use or adapt the french quotation style aka «...» #the fact alone that i have to make choices in this post as to how to translate the thai with the goal in mind to point out the similarities #and differences between the different sources! #if you don't know any thai please do chime in if you can tell from my romanizations and translations

[solipseismic]

not replying to that post bc im sure op already has a shit ton of ppl in their replies/tags saying this but like. dead doesn't mean "no one knows shit about it" dead means "no one uses it colloquially (and as a result we don't still have the knowledge of nuance and phonology of the language that a native speaker possesses bc we have no more native speakers)"

like old english is a dead language. it's the basis for the english we use today and the basis of many poetic forms and has influenced the the lexicons etc of modern english along w many other languages. but it's a dead language. native speakers of old english simply don't exist; we don't know what it would really sound like being spoken by a native speaker and we don't have native speaker intuitions about semantic or syntactic content. it's dead. same thing w latin and every other language ppl classify as "dead." like yeah, sanskrit is hugely influential on a ton of diff languages and serves as their basis but it's also still ... a dead language. bc there are no more native speakers or ppl who speak it as a primary language!! which is the definition!! of a dead language!!! before you try and argue with the wording and definition of an established term consider ... that it has a meaning that is not purely "well it means what it sounds like haha dead language = not used ever and no one knows anything about it" to call a language "dead" has actual meaning!!!!! beyond that!!!!

#my toxic linguist trait is that i am always seeing ppl who use linguistics/linguistic stuff as talking points but are doing it w no #knowledge of linguistics. like ok guys calm down the generative linguists are way ahead of you on that one!!!!!!!!!!!!! #<- for legal purposes this is a joke those guys do know things about linguistics #'linguistically' 'this linguistic term means--' if you don't know what i means beyond what you THINK it means (but u did not actually look #at what it means or god forbid research/define the term/meaning) perhaps ... consider that u dont have an argument #all this to say: yeah ur tags were partially right red it also (essentially) means that the language isn't evolving anymore #the great thing abt linguistics is that if more ppl knew anything about linguistics everyone would love and want to study it #the not so great thing abt linguistics is most ppl don't know anything about it and try to use parts of it as talking points w/o looking an #deeper #it's genuinely interesting u guys just LOOK UP WHAT THE TERM. MEANS. BEFORE GOING ON A WHOLE RANT POST ABT IT .. #croidhe #linguistics #anyways.

[arthur-r]

um, you guys, is this true????

#like. this is just lying right. everyone says um???? #im sort of working on my linguistics homework. still struggling really bad. but writing about homogenization of the midwestern accent #(and the shift toward ‘‘general american english’’ facilitated by the ‘‘information age’’) #but again i just literally don’t know anything?? #plus the websites that i’m reading are i’m pretty sure lying to me?? i don’t really trust this one it feels fake #also midwesterner input appreciated how often do you hear the monophthongal ‘‘o’’ vowel sound (the minnesohhta o) and in what age groups? #anyway this is a 1000 word paper due in 8 hours and i only just started. so. help #so wish me luck!!!! college is impossible and i don’t know what i’m doing here but here is where i am #me. my post. mine. #delete later #college talk

[roboromantic]

can't stop thinking about this Animation Mentor animation feedback video I watched where the person giving the feedback said the mouth needed to be tweaked to fit the dialog a bit better bc "you really want your plosives to be readable" and the "plosive" in question was /v/

#ma'am that is a fricative. what do you MEAN #like I don't expect her to know anything about linguistics but. are you talking about a category of sounds or certain mouth shapes or??? #did she just say the wrong thing? does 'plosive' mean something different in animation??? #she might've meant labials? I'm just confused #I'm tempted to leave a comment asking but there's only 2 comments on the video and I'd feel like a complete asshole #language stuff

[fitzrove]

I think I'm struggling creatively because as time goes on I find less and less motivation to write (and read, tbh!) stuff that's

good wholesome queer representation

escapist everything-gets-better fantasy ("because life is hard enough why would you write about miserable things")

palatable to people who disagree with me

And obviously I'm nowhere near finishing even a single original thing yet ahdfhajf but I've been looking at publishing videos that people who have experience in the industry have made and. Man no wonder that so much milquetoast stuff gets put out nowadays

#not to be a hater and controversial but #the fact that its often straight people judging whether queer representation has problematic elements (and similar situations) #and lots of queer media seems to be made with straight people in mind (at least as a considerable portion of the audience) #and ugh in general/unrelated like. i just want to write litfic about the human condition XDD and structural inequality #but if i do it with fanfic nobody will read it because my most popular fics will always be ones where white men kiss each other for 3k word #obviously i'm grateful that anyone reads anything i write aggdhfh it's very nice to be heard #but fr my most popular fics are NOT my best ones #and yeah like if i write original fiction it's unlikely to do well in publishing because there's no hot sexy straight romance or wholesome #soft high school good representation queer people:3 #maybe i can put in a red herring twink guy idk #also i'm just so bitter about linguistic inequality still XDD like. in a video abt fantasy tropes the person making the video hates they #said that they hate 'overly long fantasy names' that they can't pronounce #which just made me go 'silence anglo' mentally because omfg super often those names are just BASED ON CULTURES YOU'RE NOT PART OF #(disclaimer i know not all english speakers are ignorant hahfjsdhjfj) #but yeah its funny when old english inspired names are too hard for modern english speakers like welcome to being anyone else lol #its somehow considered a minimum requirement of knowledge to be able to pronounce names like george and matthew correctly #but then for other languages it's a special courtesy if people say names right #afujishgfis and this is just one example #rant #writing #literature

[goatsghost]

i feel like it’s really interesting to see when fandom includes duke and cass in the batfamily and when they don’t. like. maybe i’ll understand not including them if you’ve only read a couple comics and aren’t really up to date on what the batfamily as a whole is up to. bc that was where i started before i actually started diving into comics, barely a year or two ago. but when you read wayne family adventures????

there’s absolutely no excuse for duke and cass to not be present in wayne family edits or headcanons or whatever. i’ve seen a good number of tiktoks that exclude duke as a “batboy” but the photos are literally all from bwfa. it’s made so obvious that duke is their brother and cass is their sister; at that point, it’s intentional

#i told myself i wouldn’t become this person lol but cass is my favorite and i just remembered a tiktok i saw excluding duke #and now i’m upset lol #i don’t care if you get the characterizations wrong #hell i know i haven’t read their entire publication histories; not even close #make duke the straight man and cass the scary silent one; whatever; i just want them to BE THERE lol #and before you say anything about ‘make content yourself then’ #i do!!! #i’m still working on my cass’ linguistics fic #and i’m planning a duke-centric kidnapping fic soon #mine

[gloriousfemaleworrier]

I am so fucking glad tedbecca was never a thing. y'all's media literacy is non-existent. that woman was having a meltdown about wanting to beat her ex husband not lusting after that mediocre white man

Hello! I appreciate your opinion, and I understand where you are coming from completely. I love hearing other points of view and being challenged to think in ways I might not have considered before.

I do, however, have a few things to add about the way in which you've chosen to deliver this message.

Thanks for sharing your opinion with me, but the fact that you've criticized me for my enjoyment of a certain piece of media in a certain way and then used pretty antagonistic terms to describe the characters in that piece of media seems unnecessary.

Good news! You can interpret art and media however you want to interpret art and media! If you didn't see a romantic aspect of any given ship in any given show/book/movie/work, that's perfectly fine, and all it means is that your personal experience of that work is slightly different than mine. And not only is that okay, but it's also kind of beautiful.

I can't help but wonder what the goal was here. What was the intention? What could you possibly hope to gain from this interaction other than to assert your dominance and emphasize that you are in fact the superior media enjoyer by...putting other people down, in search of what I can only imagine is some sort of satisfaction in telling someone their opinion doesn't matter?

I sincerely hope that you understand, first and foremost, that I am a human being. I am, in fact, not an amalgamation of all the things you hate about consumer media culture or the perceived lack of "media literacy". I am a human being who loves stories, and who loves love. I'm not trying to force ideas on anyone, nor am I suggesting that anyone who views anything differently than me is wrong in any way.

All this to say: Art is subjective, my friend. Also, don't be mean to people. Your feelings, thoughts, and opinions are all completely valid, but the way in which you've attempted to tear me down is not.

Take a walk. Take a nap. Take a breath. Don't take it out on a human person.

I value both your opinion and you as a person. I don't appreciate the way in which you've decided to take it out on me.

Have a lovely day!

#it strikes me as ironic that this show is about the importance of human kindness #and someone has decided to be meaninglessly cruel to someone else under the guise of talking about that exact show #I don't appreciate it #you know that old saying “if you don't have anything nice to say” etc #that would be my opinion on all this. #also #please learn how to have intelligent discourse with individuals who have differing opinions! #because despite claims that I do not have literacy #I have actually studied linguistics at length! and almost every word of this lovely anonymous message is inflammatory #so it makes me wonder #if these inflammatory terms are being directed toward not only myself and the general public (“y'all”) but also the show's characters #(see the denotation of both the word “meltdown” and the word “mediocre”) #does this individual really care about the show and its characters #or just about expressing disapproval of people who do care about it #just something to think about #:) #be nice to each other #emma talks about things

[idontdrinkgatorade]

i can’t imagine having a crush on someone you hardly know

#this is mostly bc my friend told me that someone else asked her (on behalf of a friend) if i was dating anybody #like broskie idrc but i guarantee you that unless you are one of my closest friends then you know virtually nothing about me #ik that i’m often perceived as cishet bc but like i don’t tell anybody anything about myself #nobody knows that i’m a nerd about linguistics or an artist or that i like vocal synths and rpg maker games #or that i listen mostly to foreign music or that i’m neurodivergent or that i have a fucking tumblr account or that i’m fucking QUEER #(except for friends) #what do people even perceive me as? like if i asked someone to guess my music taste what would they say? #i can guarantee that my perceived self is entirely different from my actual self #listen this might just be the ace/aro-ness speaking but like i genuinely cannot fathom why you would like someone without knowing them #sorry but i think that if you like me without knowing me then you’ll probably be disappointed by my true personality. sorry not sorry #and i’m not changing for someone else’s ideals. either deal with it or find someone else #anyways props to my friend for responding to the text with ‘idk it’s not my business’ and the. immediately telling me lmao #common [friend name] W #i can now be mentally prepared if someone approaches me about it

[tooies]

hate it when people ask me what i do in my free time. how do i explain that it's this

#i usually just say ''i don't know'' #i mean i guess i could say i play games since i do do that a lot but like. idk i feel like they'll think i'm weird if i say that #weird as in like ''shut in room all day with lights out and bags of chips and empty soda cans all over the floor'' #which i would have specified in the sentence but there is a character limit #so instead i used the word ''weird'' as a sort of linguistic variable‚ which is a new literary device i have just invented #either way yeah. also if i say anything they might ask me about it and then i have to talk about myself to someone else

[gayvampcentral]

Has anyone made a post about how the memes making fun of the german language sounding stupid/funny actually (I assume unknowingly) perpetuate (post) WWII US propaganda yet or is that up to me?

#I'm only slightly lying when I say that I hate to be the guy that goes 'no fun allowed' but #kinda think it's also just interesting bc I feel like with any other language people would not be AS comfortable with #continously making jokes about how weird it sounds #I mean who knows maybe 'greek sounds awful' might be the next big meme hit but you know #I doubt it #and before anyone tells me it'S not that deep #I'm aware of how deep it is thank you #also last note just like. linguistically speaking I kinda just don't love value being attached to language this way #but whatever #also this isn't about anyone in particular reblogging anything specific to be perfectly clear #just smth that has been on my mind for a while #marshall's thoughts

[nerdie-faerie]

The uni major uquiz is making its rounds again so people are being loud in my notes again which is a lot but @corianten left this in the tags

And yeah no that exactly what happened. Just a bunch of us crowded in their tiny kitchen drunk making a uquiz about being students in uni and for the next week one of them would ask me about people's responses at breakfast

#Uni pals #uni major uquiz #a psych student‚ physic student‚ engineering student‚ linguistic student and philosophy student make a uquiz #getting tags that ive never met an engineering student makes me laugh because she sat over my shoulder giving her input #it was also based off of friends of different majors from back home too as well as flatmates and other people at our accommodation #and 'x major wont be on there. oh it is!' comments like this is literally about people i know on those courses of course its an option #also 'linguistics should be with social studies op doesnt know anything about linguistics' tags are also missing the point #linguistic students have the same VIBES as students on literature‚ language and media im not saying theyre the same course #physics‚ maths and computer science arent the same course but the students are #anyway i don't know how you guys found the quiz again when it was finally dropping out of my notes but stop

[tardis--dreams]

To summarize today's day in university:

- got diagnosed with social phobia by a class mate (bitch?!)

- heard a Very cool lecture/presentation by a guest lecturer

- our lecturer said she kinda liked our idea for our presentation

- had lunch with friends in the uni canteen which was nice but evoked some existential despair

#about that social phobia thing: first she showed me the term on her phone during a seminar (when she couldn't talk loudly) #asking if i had that to which i said no i do not?! #then after class she again said 'i think you have social phobia. because you don't like talking to people or in class' *nodding knowingly* #to which i again said i did Not have it but ok whatever #because hello?! the only person allowed to say i have social anxiety is Me. fuck you?! #like I DO say i have social anxiety because i do i guess. but a) not talking in class is not an indicator for this #b) i Do talk in class lmao. and I've never actually had any problems around her regarding anxiety #like i have no problem talking to classmates or saying something in the classes we have together so Fuck Off?! #(i mean it is a giant problem sometimes in some contexts but STILL. YOU DON'T GET TO 'DIAGNOSE' ME. #i hereby officially undiagnose myself from that thank you very much) #ANYWAY do you know the feeling of meeting someone you really look up to like maybe an author or a musician or whatever in REAL LIFE #AND YOU GET TO TALK TO THEM? that excitement where you're like 'omg i can't believe that's happening i can't believe you're here in a room #with me TALKING TO ME? and I get to hear about something unpublished you're working on rn?? like exclusive insight into current research??? #that was me today during that presentation by that guest lecturer! I've read most of her articles and at some point idk i guess you find #researchers in your field whose work you just find Very interesting and then when you get to meet them it feels a little unreal #(not to fangirl over a linguist or anything. i rarely do that (don't speak to me about my favorite lecturer who i also totally don't see as #a huge inspiration or anything)) #but yeah also i was so worried about the presentation next week but now our lecturer said she didn't hate the topic I'm more chill about it #AND yeah sorry folks‚ healthcare doesn't exist here :( no i can't help you find a doctor there's no hope just accept it #I LOVE the fact that international students keep bringing up this topic! the sheer despair and Anxiety you get to hear about! fantastic! #like I'm sorry about this obviously but that's just how we live here? What do you MEAN in your country you just can go to a doctor FOR FREE #and they'll help you? what yeah man I'll come to Russia with you! (seriously. this is one of the main things preventing people from staying #here. the absolute Lack of healthcare. people who are like 'yeah i love it here but honestly? I'm too scared something might happen #and then no one will help me.. yep. understandable. i have just accepted that i will die due to this #but if you have the option to go (back) to a country where things are different I'd do that tbh. #(sorry just normal lunch conversation topics we have here #i still feel very nice and fuzzy because i was invited ahahaha (i have a sad life lmao)) #shut up amy #university ramblings

[panvani]

I know the general trend among Indo-European languages (extending to Indian languages but with exceptions, such as Romanian) has been to become increasingly analytical as opposed to synthetic (see the transition from Latin to most modern Romance languages, or Sanskrit to most modern Indo-Aryan languages) and I know language complexity can be used to determine the age/origin of a language (it’s used as a means of identifying creoles) but I don’t actually know how language complexity factors into lingual evolution

#logxx #I can guess that languages tend to simplify with age given that people exhibit the natural semantic tendency to simplify language #That is if the grammatical necessity of a construct isn't obvious or convenient it often gets dropped #(e.g. few modern Romance languages have a neuter gender) #But that's such a broad and vague rule (if that's the case why do modern Romance languages continue to gender nouns at all) #That I don't want to just make assumptions #Also reminds me of how stupid the discussion around 'complexity' is among people who don't know anything about linguistics #One because they just assume that any discussion of lingual complexity is a means of saying a language is better #(see: people who insist English is Super Complicated and people who insist All Languages Are Equally Complicated) #And two because they don't conceive of linguistics as anything beyond a political/cultural issue when it's a meaningfully scientific study

[boneless-mika]

Sometimes I hate when interpreters state facts about languages. Like yes actually international sign is a language because pidgin languages are languages. It’s not an L1 language which is a language with native speakers but it is a language

#fun fact: esperanto is now an L1 language #me when I find out interpreters actually don’t know anything about linguistics: *shocked and horrified* #(they don’t need to know it but they still speak as though they are authorities on it) #(reminiscent of dermatologists saying sunscreen isn’t safe tbh except less dangerous)