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elliescoolerwife · 3 months

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you know who hates "zionists"? (which is just the current acceptable way of saying "jews" btw.) nazis, islamic fundamentalists and conspiracy theorists. you may think you're on the "right side of history" by siding with Palestine here, but you mustn't be too upset when it turns out you're just on the.. right. when you're out there in your Etsy keffiyehs waving your anti-Israel cardboard signs, remember you're in esteemed company. scarf-wearing proud boys waving swastikas chanting "jews will not replaces us!" were doing the same thing a few years ago. but you go right ahead. stay self-righteous. imagine that it's progressive and liberal and moral to yell slurs at jews on the internet and tell them (in your infinite expertise) what is and isn't antisemitism, where jews do and don't belong, what jews can and can't do, say, feel. keep boycotting jewish businesses and defacing kosher delis. keeping throwing hot soup at wait staff, blocking jewish women from using the bathrooms and knocking yarmulkes off peoples heads. keep smashing up menorahs. and while you're at it keep telling yourself you're on the right side. because you are. the far right.

This has nothing to do with jews you moron.

You’re calling palestinian jews self hating? Jewishvoiceforpeace is a self hating organisation? Israelis that are protesting in israel - self hating? The black jews that are angry that they’re getting sterilized - self hating? The rabbis that are praying everyday for the downfall of israel - self hating?

What do you think a jew is?

If you are a murderer I don’t fucking care about who you are. Just because they’re jewish they don’t get a free card to just create a genocide and say ”we’re jewish and you can’t say anything cuz people who hate jews are on your side”. Are you fucking dense? You are destroying the meaning of antisemitism. Everything is antisemitism nowadays.

Talk about creating problems that don’t exist. While you’re blaming pro-Palestinians for nazis actions, you don’t put any blame on israel for murdering 700.000 people, displacing 2 million, kidnapping, torturing and putting 800.000 behind bars without trial. Many of them children.

But God forbid Menoras are getting destroyed by nazis (not a Palestinian issue) and ZIONIST supporting companies (not jewish) are getting boycotted for sending food and money to the IOF. Okay. Definitely on the same level as the 75 year old genocide happening.

Zionists are an embarassment. Zionism is destroying judaism. Not us. Zionism is making jews look like murderers. Colonizers. Animals. Not us. They are describing themselves as superior and everyone that hates murder and occupation is antisemetic. What does that say about Judaism? Absolutely nothing - but zionist themselves seem to think their God told them to do this.

You are destroying the beautiful religion and destroying the meaning of being Jewish.

NOT IN THEIR NAME.

#jewish #from the river to the sea palestine will be free #free palestine #tlou #the last of us #palestine #israel #palestinians #antisemitism #ellie williams x reader #free israel #< disgusting #arabs #middle east

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isa-ghost · 11 months

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Uhhh hey JSE Community

I haven’t seen a single peep about this, but Sean’s latest upload from two days ago, “Don’t Forget To Feed Him (Entity Room)” has some flashes of Chase in it.

I’m genuinely surprised I didn’t see anything about it, because I still follow tons of JSE theorists despite me being beaten senseless by other hyperfixations atm.

Anyway, here’s the glitches with timestamps:

I also want to point out, if you notice these screenshots supplied by @a-septic-mind vs my link to the video, the title changed.

Now, in fairness, nowadays title changes mean little to nothing because the YouTube algorithm is such a bitch.

HOWEVER, I find the change choice interesting. “Don’t forget to feed him.”

Y’know, Chase looks awful exhausted in those screenshots. Maybe bored or whatever, sure. Stressed, of course. But I’d argue weak too. Can’t keep his head up. He’s locked in a cell with no access to food.

He’s relying on his captors to feed him. And it sounds to me like they’re a little more than negligent, or perhaps preoccupied by a certain ALTR? Or dare I suggest that same ALTR, The Watcher, Anti is manipulating the surveillance footage of Chase’s cell, leaving the staff unaware he needs to be fed?

#jacksepticeye #antisepticeye #chase brody #IRIS #jse iris

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reality-detective · 6 months

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They label us ‘tin hat wearers’, ‘conspiracy theorists’, ‘lunatics’, ‘anti-vaxxers’ ‘climate deniers’ ‘anti-science’ snd even ‘terrorists’! But who are we really?

We are the ones that care more than others think it’s wise, the ones that risk more than others think it’s safe, that dream more than others think it’s practical and expect more than others think it’s possible.

That is who we are. That is what separates us from the rest. And it all starts with the fact that we care…

We care that we’re being lied to by an entire system created for that purpose. We care that through the lies they have manipulated us to accept and perpetuate our own enslavement. We care that innocent people suffer daily because of this. We care that children are being mentally and physically abused. We care that we are being poisoned through the air, the food and the water. We care that medicine was hijacked by Big Pharma drug lords for making money, instead of healing. We care about human trafficking and child exploitation, in fact we care so much, it breaks our hearts daily.

We care about saving others, we care to want to change things, we care to dream of better alternatives and we care to pray each day that we may turn things around for our children’s sake.

We care for justice, we care for freedom, we care for what is right and we care enough to do something about it.

Caring is what drives our courage, it’s what makes us dream big and what pushes us to demand better.

So never stop caring, it’s what makes us who we are. It’s what separates the asleep from the awake, the righteous from the immoral, the courageous from the cowards, the strong from the weak and the faithful from the hopeless.

Never stop caring my friends… It’s the beginning of all good things. 💜💫

It's time... Stand up for what you care for. ⚔️

#pay attention #educate yourselves #educate yourself #knowledge is power #reeducate yourself #reeducate yourselves #think for yourselves #think about it #think for yourself #do your homework #do some research #do your own research #ask yourself questions #question everything #stand up

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headspace-hotel · 2 years

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I'm not the same anon but I'm guessing they might be seeing red flags because the "animals are the leading cause of climate change"/"cows are the biggest cause of deforestation" talking points aren't really backed up by anything and can often get used by vegans that can... get fairly eco-fascist fairly quickly? Animal AG is the leading cause of climate change therefore animal ag shouldn't exist therefore (some people go on to say) people who can't go fully vegan due to allergy or food insensitivity or other reasons also shouldn't exist.

Also, anon might have been getting red flags from someone mentioning cowspiracy, which is a Netflix documentary that makes a lot of claims that as far as I'm aware are just completely false. Not everyone who believes or cites a bad documentary is automatically fascist or anti-science or evil or whatever (obviously), but if you've seen enough fascists cite the same bad documentary it might bring your hackles up?

No, I see what you're getting at. I have major "nope" responses to the more extreme animal rights activist arguments sometimes because they are so incredibly similar to those used by anti-vaxxers—for example, someone that claims a farmer or any other person that works with livestock is automatically unreliable because they're part of "the Industry" and therefore biased or paid off.

There's a dairy farmer blog on here that gets regularly accused of being a "shill" for the dairy industry. That is a Big Nope from me. It is well within the danger zone of conspiracy thinking.

It is of course best practice to always question sources, but "animal rights activists" who are on the extreme side regard sources that contradict the "mainstream narrative" as being automatically (more) reliable because they contradict the mainstream narrative, whether they are youtube videos, articles from non-profit organizations trying to get donations, or documentaries that are not well sourced. At this point you are not in danger of becoming a conspiracy theorist, you are one already.

I find the "everyone should go vegan" argument to be frustrating because 1) this is literally impossible for some people who have disabilities, 2) we don't actually know what portion of the population can go entirely vegan. We know that a healthy vegan diet is possible afaik, but there is widespread anecdotal evidence of people developing fatigue, brain fog, and symptoms of malnutrition when attempting a vegan diet and although the plural of anecdote is not data, potential mechanisms for this do exist. It's really irresponsible to react to this with "well they're not doing it correctly."

I also question how plausible it is to reconcile "everyone should be vegan" and "everyone should eat locally sourced food as much as possible." This may be possible in some areas of the world; it will not be in others.

It's not so much that people outright say these situations shouldn't exist, it's that they either deny that they exist in the first place or continue to maintain that animal agriculture should be abolished entirely without really "getting" that some agriculture would still need to exist for the people that can't go vegan.

There is also just a lot of very obvious misinformation about farming that exists on the internet. E.g. people thinking that beef cattle spend their entire lives in feedlots and don't graze. I don't know all the details of the industry in every state, but I can tell you with great certainty that grazing beef cattle for the majority of their lives is very common, and when their diets need supplementation the go-to is hay. Pasture land is a MASSIVE portion of land use in the U.S.—not only will an internet search confirm this, so will a drive through a rural area.

Wikipedia is in particular full of misleading info about agriculture, and many of its articles link to articles by non profit animal rights organizations that are themselves unsourced. This is a little alarming because Wikipedia is pretty reliable on many subjects.

The other day I was on Wikipedia and read that dairy cows supposedly live only four years on average, and are impregnated "repeatedly" to get milk from them. This is something I've seen before, but it was a bit of a shock to see it on Wikipedia because it doesn't hold up to a few seconds of casual brain usage. A cow that has lived four years has only had time to have two (2) calves. That's stretching the definition of "repeatedly." Also, even in a "wild" state cows would have calves every year because that's how their reproductive cycle works (just like deer).

I find all of this especially frustrating because farmers themselves would largely LOVE to reform the industry, and there are actual ethical and environmental issues that are not common knowledge to people because they are getting crowded out by misinformation that is well-intentionedly spread.

The presumption is that "livestock farmers" and "people who care about animals and the environment" have opposite interests and don't overlap, and that just isn't true.

#random #conspiracy theory #misinformation #animals #agriculture

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religion-is-a-mental-illness · 9 months

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Are you an anticapitalist? you are good either way just curious

No, I'm not.

It's not a perfect system, but one need only look at indexes like the Global Freedom Index and the Human Development Index and observe which countries are at the top and which are not. One need only look at the correlation between economic growth and the decline of illiteracy, decline of child mortality, decline of reproductive burden on women, lower hunger, higher education, higher life satisfaction, and many other things.

An imperfect liberal system is still better than a perfect illiberal system.

“Beware the cult that sells you a utopia, because any dictatorial action can be justified by such a false vision.” -- Rio Veradonir

Heaven is a utopian, perfect system. And what can you do there? Nothing. It's ruled over by a tyrant and nothing you do matters. It's perfect before you arrived, and it's no better (or worse) after you arrived. You can't change anything, you can't innovate, you can't make an impact. Something that is already "perfect" cannot be made more "perfect."

Just because something isn't perfect doesn't mean it can be improved. Free speech + the marketplace of ideas is not a perfect system that ensures truth and sanity always prevail, but attempts to "fix" it always make it worse. No one screws things up more than utopians. -- Colin Wright

Maintaining that "perfection" requires authoritarianism. We see this every single time. How else do you maintain a "perfect" system? How else do you protect that "perfect" system from imperfection? And what can't be justified in the name of maintaining that "perfection"? History has a bodycount of the horrors arising from attempts to enforce "perfect" systems. Yes, it has been tried. Many times.

So I'd much prefer an imperfect system that nobody controls than a perfect system enforced with an iron fist.

Philosophically, I'm not an anti-capitalist for the same reason I'm not anti-democratic or anti-science. I'll let Jonathan Rauch explain this.

Liberalism’s great contribution to civilization is the way it handles conflict. No other regime has enabled large and varied groups of people to set a social agenda without either stifling their members’ differences or letting conflict get out of hand. Bertrand Russell once said that “order without authority” might be taken as the motto both of political liberalism and of science. If you had to pick a three-word motto to define the liberal idea, “order without authority” would be pretty good. The liberal innovation was to set up society so as to mimic the greatest liberal system of them all, the evolution of life. Like evolutionary ecologies, liberal systems are centerless and self-regulating and allow no higher appeal than that of each to each in an open-ended, competitive public process (a game). Thus, a market game is an open-ended, decentralized process for allocating resources and legitimizing possession, a democracy game is an open-ended, decentralized process for legitimizing the use of force, and a science game is an open-ended, decentralized process for legitimizing belief. Much as creatures compete for food, so entrepreneurs compete for business, candidates for votes, and hypotheses for supporters. In biological evolution, no outcome is fixed or final—nor is it in capitalism, democracy, science. There is always another trade, another election, another hypothesis. In biological evolution, no species, however clever or complex, is spared the rigors of competition—nor are the participants in capitalism, democracy, science. No matter who you are, you must conduct your business in the currency of dollars, votes, or criticism—no special fiat, no personal authority.

[..] Order emerging as each interreacts with each under rules which are the same for all (order without authority): just as that idea links the great liberal systems, so it also links the great liberal theorists. Darwin is known to have been strongly influenced by the economic ideas of Adam Smith. “The theory of natural selection,” writes Stephen Jay Gould, a paleontologist and historian of science, “is a creative transfer to biology of Adam Smith’s basic argument for a rational economy: the balance and order of nature does not arise from a higher, external (divine) control, or from the existence of laws operating directly upon the whole, but from struggle among individuals for their own benefits.

[..] The disadvantages are serious, and must not be passed over lightly. First, the notion of empowering a vast, amorphous, unsupervised mass of voters and traders to make crucial social decisions defies all common sense and intuition. Instinct sides with Plato: it makes more sense to have the wisest man decide who gets what or who should rule. That is why learning democratic values and market values, which make the judgments of democratic and market systems “feel” right, takes centuries of cultural development and years of personal education; it is why people who are used to an authoritarian moral climate have such a hard time switching to the mechanisms of democracy and markets, and so often make a botch of it. Second, open-ended, decentralized decision-making systems are perpetually unsettling. They cannot be counted on to reach any particular result, and often, since they put no one in particular in charge, they reach results which don’t particularly please anyone. The only constant is change, and change is unnerving and sometimes painful and wasteful. Leaders go in and out of power, sometimes too quickly to hold any course; markets shut factories and move jobs. No one can count on staying on top. But the advantages of the two systems are enormous. They are flexible, which means that they adapt readily to change. They are broadly inclusive, and so make the most of human diversity. (Anyone can vote, anyone can own.) Yet by and large they are stable, despite being both flexible and broadly inclusive. And so they are liberal in this important sense: they allow us to be relatively free to be ourselves, each to make the contribution that suits him, with comparatively little risk of upending the whole system. -- Jonathan Rauch, "Kindly Inquisitors"

In principle, if I've got a great idea, I could topple McDonald's or Microsoft or Amazon. You may scoff, but where are MySpace, Kodak, Blockbuster, Blackberry and whoever ended up with Palm? These were once some of the biggest organizations in the world. Look at the impact of Tesla. Any company is only as good as the last product or service they released, and past performance is no guarantee of success in the future. If you don't stay relevant, your business dies. Just as any political leader is only as good as their latest ballot, and any scientist is only as good as their latest ideas.

Evolution is behind the market game. At any point, you could be obsolete and at the wrong end of "survival of the fittest." After the rise and fall of all the purported "iPod killers," look who actually killed the iPod: Apple. It doesn't really exist any more, it's just the Music app on your phone.

People looking for a perfect system are looking for certainty. They want to know what the future will be, and more importantly, be able to control it to suit their preferences. They want to circumvent the rules of the game which apply to everyone (equality) and have the authority to decide - and enforce - what the result should really look like (equity). And they will decide what people really deserve.

But evolution has no certainty, as it's undirected. Changes to the environment are unpredictable. As soon as you try to direct evolution, you have an authority figure creating something that suits their own particular purposes, and the natural, erratic process of evolution has stopped. You now have creationism and the authoritarianism that goes along with it.

The beauty in these liberal systems is the same beauty in evolution itself: uncertainty. We need to get more comfortable with that.

One particular area where I'd argue the system is imperfect is where the evolutionary process has been short-circuited. Companies with questionable ethics put #BLM or a rainbow flag on their Twitter account for free, trot out a statement riddled with fashionable social shibboleths, and people look away from their business practices, tacitly deciding that they're comfortable with them by buying the next product, the next service, the next update.

Kind of like Passover, but with hashtags instead of lamb's blood. If you make the right offering, the Hand of God will pass by you and not look beyond the blood on the door.

We've already seen what can happen with consumer backlash. Netflix, Disney, Bud Light, Target. You don't have to agree with the basis for the reaction, but all bore the brunt of consumer dissatisfaction and paid the price. Some adjusted course, some doubled-down, some have committed to gaslighting the consumer, putting ideology above their core business.

The point, though, is this: what do you put up with as a consumer to have what you want? If you're discontent with a business' practices, then what have you done to force the pressure on them to adapt, to evolve? And why not?

Evolution requires pressures for survival.

To those who have a "smash capitalism" sticker, where did you put it? The bumper of your hybrid SUV? The case of your iPhone 14 Pro Max? The back lid of your ASUS Zenbook Flip?

Now imagine a world where this actually came to pass. Capitalism has been smashed. The means of production has become public, part of the government. The telecommunications companies, the tech companies, the automotive companies, the manufacturing companies are all no longer privately owned and in competition, but by the government. The same government which runs departments that function like the DMV, creates a Ministry of Truth, and which can't get a healthcare website to stay up.

The government doesn't need to compete against itself, so it doesn't need 5 mobile services. One will do just fine. There's no competition for customers who want faster speed, so 6G, which would have hit in 2030 is no longer a priority. Where is anyone going to go? 5G will be good enough for the next 30 years. The government's not a corporation, so it doesn't need to - and shouldn't - make a profit from its services.

It doesn't need to make a better, more feature packed phone next year, because it's not competing with anyone. It can just keep producing the same one for the next 10 years. And there's only one because who needs all those brands when they're all now under the government umbrella? Phase out Google Pixel, phase out the iPhone Pro/Max/Plus models that are status symbols of the aristocracy and bourgeoisie classes, and cut it back to one iPhone SE. Since the telecommunications and tech companies are now government entities, there's no longer any pushback to putting monitoring software on every phone the government makes in the operating system the government installs, on the network the government controls.

There's no longer a need for 10 different compact SUVs competing with each other, so it cuts this back to one. And some government bureaucrat who doesn't really understand cars doesn't see why you need an SUV anyway, since it's just a jacked-up hatchback, so a pen-stroke from somebody in a government office sees those go away in the name of efficiency. The factories can all produce the same design, not a multitude of different ones, because that's a bureaucratic headache.

The streaming companies are all no longer competing against each other, since they are all subsidiaries of the government now. So, why do we need so many shows in production? And why do they need to earn money anyway, other than to fund more productions and line the pockets of shareholders? And what sort of content do you think they're going to play now that the government has a monopoly?

I could keep going.

Now, where are the evolutionary pressures? Every sector now functions at the speed, efficiency and innovation level of the government (i.e. very, very low).

If you doubt any of this, look around at the automotive and technology industries of non-free market countries. And I don't mean "western company X has a factory in Y." I mean, what is Y's own industry like? What is it producing?

The idea that anyone would want the government in charge of innovation and industry, rather than merely enforcing the liberal rules of the market game, is disturbing. Seriously, has anyone who is an anti-capitalist ever actually looked around at their life and realized what it would be like for there to be no market competition, and for the idiots in government to be in control of the means of production?

The core driver of the free market, as with biological evolution, is competition. Competition for survival and relevancy. It drives innovation, efficiency and downward pressure on prices. Take that away and what do you have? Which countries best exemplify a system with no competition? What are you willing to give up to eliminate free market competition and become more like them? Or, perhaps, why haven't you already moved there? What's keeping you living in this oppressive regime? Not enough frequent flyer miles?

When the Berlin Wall fell, in which direction did people migrate? When people risk their lives on ramshackle rafts to escape from one country to another, in which direction are they fleeing?

If you ever wonder which system is better, ask someone who immigrated from their country of birth to your country of birth why they went to the trouble. Buy your Uber driver, your Amazon carrier, or your dorm's cleaning staff a coffee and an hour of their time to tell you their story. The idea that a free market, where you can work your way up in the world, improve your situation for yourself and your family, needs to be taken away and torn down, is something that only the privileged and well-to-do have the luxury of proclaiming.

"Luxury beliefs are ideas and opinions that confer status on the upper class, while often inflicting costs on the lower classes." -- Rob Henderson

And once again, I know it's not perfect. I said so up front. I think many of these corporations need to be better ecologically and in terms of their manufacturing personnel practices. But how you do that is by creating market pressure.

But as far as I can tell, at least some of the blame for this can be laid at the feet of consumers who have become complacent, respond to the distractions of empty virtue signalling, and are too comfortable to make sacrifices for their high and mighty principles. People lose their nerve when it comes to criticizing China ("what are you, a racist?"), and get distracted when the culprit makes cheap, easy LGBTQWERTYALPHABETWTF signals, because now they're an "ally," and personal interest supersedes the greater moral mission.

If you want the market to go in a certain direction, then you have to generate the evolutionary pressure that forces it to do so. You have to play the game - just as you have to play the science game, the politics game - not throw a hissy fit that you should be exempt from the rules or get to steal the ball so nobody else can play. If that sounds too hard, then it's probably not as big a priority as you'd like to believe is it. But how hard do you think it would be to live in an economy completely devoid of any evolutionary pressure whatsoever?

It's much easier to whine about "the system" while standing in line with your Apple Watch out to pay for your next Venti decaf soy pumpkin-spice latte with extra whip. But just know that everybody around you is rolling their eyes.

#ask #liberal ethics #liberalism #liberal market #free market #utopianism #anticapitalism #anti capitalism #religion is a mental illness

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spooky-donut-ghost-house · 23 hours

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Matpat: "I'm retiring."

Also Matpat:

#anti matpat #anti matthew patrick #anti game theory #anti game theorist #anti the game theorist #anti film theory #anti film theorist #anti the film theorist #anti food theory #anti food theorist #anti the food theorist #anti style theory #anti style theorist #anti the style theorist #I knew it was too good to be true #I can't be lucky enough to have a matpatless youtube

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factorialsotherfandoms · 4 months

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Again from @cubitodragon <3

Poor Ramon indeed. He's a good kid. Fit may have sort of inherited him from Spreen (it's complicated) but they love each other so fucking much.

Okay the really early ones are really early. Maxo, Foolish, and BBH had long been conspiracy theorist types on internet forums, and had buddied up into their own extremely conspiracy group. Dan, Max's partner, vanished yeeeears ago, and he's been looking for him since. When he befriended the other two, they agreed to help him look. Even prior to the invasion the three of them actually managed to uncover some evidence that aliens had legitimately taken Dan (the first assumption was the government did it, so this was a bit wild for them to come to). When the aliens showed up openly, they started poking hard into that. Their logic boards were a bit wild, but shockingly close.

Max, a scientist in his own right, was actually also at the conference with Tazercraft when shit went down. As in he was giving a presentation when Pac slipped out to take the call which was one of the people funding their project letting him know what was going on, and the probable fallout. Their identities had also been picked up on, so the helpful person warned them not to come back. Max found Pac having a crisis over it in the bathroom before Mike (also having a crisis) got there, and offered to pay their hotel at least a few days (just because aliens are his biggest problem now doesn't mean he likes the government. Any government). Then, when things went entirely to shit, they all ended up super awkwardly in his basement because yk language barriers and different fields.

Meanwhile back in the Brazil Forever is trying to find a way to get to Europe and find Tazercraft. Incidentally, in the US, Foolish and BBH managed to meet up with each other, and want the same location to find Max. They don't intentionally meet up, because most of a continent, but it's a thing. In the period where the aliens had taken over and the Federation was now in control but things were just... Only very slowly changing from normal, they both manage to get flights over (the Federation revealing themselves as big time evil only came a year or two later, once any remains of previous governmental structures had been entirely swept away. Sure they were already herding people into new cities, but that's because a lot were destroyed in the war. Forcibly displacing people cross-continent and stuff like that took another year or so).

They all make it to Europe.

Foolish and BBH hire a car.

Forever doesn't have cash but has been on his feet for a while so means to walk.

Circumstances align as sometimes they just do, and Forever ends up hitchhiking, and eventually ends up with Foolish and BBH, and super funny conincidence they're all headed to the same city. But of course Forever goes to the hotel the conference was in hoping Tazercraft left a note (they didn't, because wanted criminals at the time they ditched the hotel) while Foolish and BBH go to Max's place.

Where they find two Brazilians in the basement and are like. Wait hang on a sec... And BBH 'borrows' the hire car to go get Forever, a phone photo of Tazercraft in hand just in case.

They actually operate out of Max's basement until the aliens start moving people about, at which point any previously inhabited areas become dangerous. The six of them end up moving, sabotaging, meeting people, and so on. Most of the people they met up with early on are dead now. Forever ended up leading as he had charisma, patience, and seemed trustworthy to new folk. The others tended to spiral down rabbit holes of tech and theories while Forever's just there like 'we need more food how best to get it'. And, given they were in Europe, it took Cellbit a while to track them down and start leaving info.

Speaking of which, your other question.......

So. Phil and Kristin. The group have /heard/ of them - anyone working anti-alien shit has. In the early days of the occupation they were /famous/. Or, well, Phil and Techno were, and Kristin a looming specter in the background. They were responsible for bloody swathes of aliens taken out - sometimes with friends, sometimes not - up until... Well, Forever isn't sure what happened. Something about being captured, or killing themselves to avoid capture, or... Whatever happened, it was another continent, and the rumours just vanished overnight.

It's a year or two after that - 6 or 7 before plot - when they've got the airship working but not all functions, so mostly its just being used to lug cargo around and keep moving very fast. Building the sort of network they need to do the plot things takes time, and effort, and winning the trust of the various rebel cells they work with for both info and resources was /hard/. But, anyway, they're doing shit and Forever finds a tip off from probably-Cellbit.

Decoding it is a nightmare but once they do, it's details of a guy Cellbit thinks would be useful to their operations. This guy is not Philza, this guy is Fit. Who had been making a name for himself with a couple of other buddies from the Wastelands with horrific amounts of explosives applied to Federation property, and general angry destruction.

Then got captured.

And has a scheduled execution date.

Which doesn't sit well with any of our heroes. So, off they go, and rescue /his/ ass.

Which gets Fit recruited! But you see, Fit doesn't consider himself hugely useful (he's their go to demos guy, but demolitions isn't that common. Too loud, leaves you too vulnerable). Also, he knows he's going to have fucking terrified Phil. So... possibly against his better judgement he drags Forever to where Phil and Kristin are based. (Fit's Wrecking Crew split off from their commune a few months after Phil vanished, Phil wanting to step back and Fit not being a step back kinda guy. Also from this area are Spreen, Roier, and Missa, though by this point they've also split away. The key is never to get too big, and have a network of allied cells not all of whom know each other's location. Also means there's a place for Spanish speakers. Not that Roier is with that group any more but a distraction).

And introduced Forever to Phil. Kristin basically runs their specific area, while Philza runs the interconnected network where people who came to them for shelter have taken things like seeds and split off to form their own groups. They're especially hard to get hold of, because they're all trained by Philza's school of paranoid as fuck, and having so so so many boltholes. All gets a bit Bolas in here, you know? But anyway, yeah, so that's when Forever and Philza both meet.

(Fit lost an arm. Philza's wings are ruined. Techno isn't there. Forever knows better than to ask why he stopped going out of his way to fight and started on resistance via survival philosophy instead.)

Forever and Philza combine their networks, which massively expands possibilities for both operations. Philza stays on the ground, though, at least for then.

Also Philza and Tubbo know each other but oh god we're not doing Tubbo's entire backstory too (and this is only post-invasion for Phil... Like why he had this camp ready to go before the war isn't here or any of that shit)

Philza returning to active service, even if as a medic and support specialist rather than the knife and sneak shit he used to do, is Missa's fault.

And by Missa's fault I mean Missa got captured (there's a whole thing with Kristin Missa and Phil and later Forever which is just very funny and I've mentioned befre but anyway). Phil, knowing that anyone going to save Missa can't come back to the base because while they have guards their biggest security is in secrecy, and their biggest resource is farming which is yk vital to the network, calls Forever for help. (When rescuing someone, too high a chance of being followed).

They don't take anyone from Spreen or Kristin's camps, though both of them help with the coordinating. Except Phil. Who. Has had enough of his friends getting captured and shit and is like. Okay. Fine. Tubbo was desperate to give me some new toys? Time to remind the aliens why they're fucking scared of me.

Needless to say Missa is rescued, but see the note of neither of them can go directly home. They end up on the ship with the others, and just kinda... hang there. After a few weeks they could probably go back, but Phil can still do what he needs to from here and the two sets of networks were merged anyway, and Kristin's got everything in hand on the ground (and Spreen with very different vibes elsewhere) and now Philza's put himself back out there he's kinda... well, he's out there again, you know? Going back in the box a second time aint an option.

Also he likes Forever. Forever is cool. And stressed. May as well share the burden.

#xcom x qsmp

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