#evil!doctordonna

[deeneedsaname]

evil!Doctor and evil!Donna 50k AU slowburn fic where they're stuck on that ship as they become more and more the doctor and Donna and their identities from who they used to be get muddled and blurry and there's hate sex and they sit there feeling like they love each other and they don't know WHY

#gonna make this a niche interest idk #doctor who #donna noble #tenth doctor #fourteenth doctor #evil!donna #evil!doctor #doctor who 60th anniversary spoilers #doctor who 60th anniversary #ten x donna #fourteen x donna #evil!doctordonna

[aq2003]

wait, people ship ten and donna for real ? i thought it was just a joke . lmao ?

#me and my wife. i consistently say he's a skinny loser that i would never fall in love with if the world turned upside down #and we constantly have to tell other people we arent a couple bc the concept is so unfathomable. and evil #dr who #doctordonna #to be fair i guess ppl ship miller and hardy of all ppl so it's really on me for not expecting this happened lmao #10 era

[cyber-corp]

holyshitholyshithOLYSHIT IT WAS SO GOOD.

Here are some of my favourite bits from the new Doctor Who special;

(MASSIVE SPOILERS)

UNIT supplying their wheelchairs with stun guns and missiles. like. sure thing kate

14’s psychic paper still looking like 13

THE INTRO!!!! IT’S LIKE I’M PROPERLY FALLING INTO TIME AND SPACE

The fact that they brought in a trans actress, not only emphasising her importance for her being trans, not only for her to be supported by Donna but also link her up to the Metacrisis and the DoctorDonna is really beautiful to me

Also Rose gets up the Doctor for assuming the Meep’s pronouns (whose pronouns are just “The Meep”). Russell T does it again

The aliens going after the Meep are kinda chill actually

Honestly I was expecting the Meep to be at least dubiously evil, but the way they did the twist caught me off guard, so well done for that

David Tennant in a barrister’s wig

The scene in the Meep’s ship with the Doctor and Donna got to me. He’s so desperate to not let Donna die but in this life-or-death situation, it’s all he has. Kinda similar to the bit in The End of Time.

Then when the DoctorDonna comes back, a variation of “I am the Doctor” plays! Murray Gold’s score was on-point (and in the coming specials, it’ll stay that way!)

The Doctor just creating fucking screens and temporary walls with the new Sonic Screwdriver! So cool! (but also still resonating concrete with it. fantastic)

THE NEW TARDIS!!!!!! IT LOOKS AMAZING!!!!!!! DONNA SPILLS COFFEE INTO IT!!!!!

This whole special was absolutely fantastic. I still can’t believe we’ve got two more specials to go through, and I can’t wait for either of them

#doctor who #14th doctor #fourteenth doctor #donna noble #rose noble #the meep #the star beast #doctor who 60th anniversary #doctor who spoilers #literally shaking and pissing and shitting and possibly cumming #gecko boy #russell t davies #murray gold

[billpottsismygf]

There's so much to process that I don't even know where to start. Just off the bat, it was a very fun and very campy episode. I imagine there will be a lot of people annoyed at some of the goofier elements (eg. lava erupting just under the streets, then knitting right back together), but I don't mind a bit of goofiness and it felt enjoyable the whole way through.

All the moments between Donna and the Doctor were so great. I love how much Donna is still just Donna at heart, even if she's forgotten things. The little quiet moment after she says she wanted to "be like him" was especially effective.

Rose is great, too. I love that her first instinct was to hide and help the Meep. I also love that her transness is important to her character, and that the show isn't shying away from unapologetically depicting a trans teenager. I do think some of the stuff that comes later is a little clumsy, however.

Onto that, I'm fine with the idea that Donna having a child has diluted the metacrisis enough for them both to survive a little longer with it. The weird parts were:

1) The suggestion that it works because the DoctorDonna is binary (a man and a woman), while Rose is non-binary. Is that suggesting that she's trans because of the metacrisis? That the metacrisis is only safe because she's trans? Both of those seem weird. Why is gender at all relevant to how safe/balanced the metacrisis is? I need to rewatch it and see if it's more coherent on second view, but on first viewing it just seemed like a dumb way to make Donna's "binary binary binary" breakdown have more meaning than it does.

2) The whole bit about them being able to just let the metacrisis go. How come they can just let it go? Again, why the focus on the Doctor being "male presenting"? Why the bit about only women knowing how to let things go?

I want to be really clear that I very much appreciate RTD putting trans themes so front and centre in Doctor Who, and I will be vehemently defending it against anyone who tries to be transphobic about it. Unfortunately, I just think it's a little clumsy in parts of this episode.

Small things:

Beep the Meep was adorable, and then adorably evil. We love the Meep.

Shirley's weapons-firing wheelchair was amazing, and I like her character so far. Is she Osgood's replacement? She feels like the deliberate antithesis of Osgood, who was such a fangirl of the Doctor, while Shirley pointedly doesn't care. I do actually love Osgood, so I'll be sad if she's not around anymore, but hey ho.

I like that Donna is in such a stable and loving relationship with Shaun. After all her troubles with men in previous series, it's nice seeing her loved and appreciated.

What the hell was going on with the sonic this episode? I don't like the sonic being too overpowered generally, and suddenly the Doctor is capable of creating bullet proof shields out of thin air with it? And crumbling brick walls in seconds? It's not a magic wand!

That new TARDIS interior is absolutely huge. I love the classic design, but I'm not sure that such a stark look works when it's so enormous. If it's going to be that big, I'd rather it had a little more going on. I do like the colour-changing lights, though!

Meep said they were going to tell "the Boss", which immediately made me think of the Toymaker, which then immediately made me realise that Rose is also a toymaker. Is that going to be relevant? It's definitely deliberate. (Sidenote, her cyberman and ood are adorable and I would absolutely buy them.)

#doctor who #the star beast #donna noble #rose temple noble #beep the meep #I know I'm going to have more thoughts but there's just too much to put in one post #mine #dw #dwmine #reactions #dw60 #doctor who spoilers

[fanonical]

i was thinking about wild blue yonder earlier and only now did it dawn on me that the monsters from wild blue yonder, being shapeshifting aliens that immediately start mimicking the doctor and donna and work almost as a hivemind and talk in unison, are kind of an evil doctordonna

#Doctor Who #Fourteenth Doctor #Donna Noble

[gfbillpotts]

So the new DW episode..

Loved a lot of things but a lot of other things were a bit off to me. Overall if felt like an episode for people just starting out on doctor who and gender identity lol I imagined a kid watching it and it seemed great but as an adult who's already pretty well versed on both these things the dialogue felt kinda of clanky and too literal.

The whole "we are women so we let it go" thing genuinely pissed me off like thats such a middle aged gay man thing to write, to put women in this role of Wiser and think its empowerment like pls just let women be desastrious too, like Thirteen was!! I genuinely genuinely did Not like that also I feel like it understated the whole point that the Doctor transcends gender when they were like "oh you Man"

I did 't like how the Doctor was just...there with Donna with no worries at all. The minute he saw her he went back to interact with her when in End of Time they made a specific point that they couldnt do even that or she'd die!

Now the good things! I loved the fact that Donna's timelordness was passed/watered down to Rose! The explicit dialogue specially the binary-non binary thing was corny af but i loved the fact that the doctor's wibbly wobbly gender made Rose who she is.

I loved the Meep!! Specially when the Meep became evil the design and the voice got way cooler, I hope to see them again!!!

I loved the new TARDIS design, very classy and I hope they keep changing the lighting and colors.

I loved those last doctordonna moments too, I feel like this episode worked in catching us up with them and telling us where their relatioship is at but now I'm excited for the next ep where we will have an actual adventure!

#dw #doctor who

[allhailthemightyquattro]

Got around to watching The Star Beast, so thoughts:

The good:

Donna Noble is back!

Murray Gold is back!

Love the opening credits. Best they've been since Matt Smith (Capaldi's credits weren't bad, but this sequence is better).

Beep is so cute! The special effects department/props department deserve all the praise.

Beep is so evil! Love to see my little war criminal embrace their megalomania.

Sylvia's reaction to hearing the Doctor's voice was priceless!

I love how they addressed trans issues. It didn't feel like a tv show telling us that they support trans people and that we should too. It felt like a tv show showing us trans issues. They had a trans character and their family facing problems that a trans person and their family could (and do) face in the real world, and they let the audience decide if they are okay with that happening or not. Showing people a particular side of an issue will always be more helpful than simply telling people that their side is wrong. The hardcore transphobes won't be swayed either way (and probably would only be watching to authenticate their hate) so addressing the issue with them in mind would have at best alienated the audience and at worst insulted them (looking at you last few minutes of Orphan 55).

I particularly liked that they included Sylvia's difficulty with knowing what to say to Rose. It's clear she loves her granddaughter exactly how she is (a great contrast between her treatment of Donna in series 4) but she doesn't know if she's doing things right. It's something that I don't often see addressed in internet fandom spaces, where every small slight is condemned as a terrible offense. Changing cultures is a learning curve.

I think they had a shot of Rose at Donna's wedding at the beginning, which helps (but doesn't really solve) the age issue. Donna started dating Shaun in 2009 and is not visibly pregnant at the end of that year, meaning 2010 is the earliest possible year Rose could have been born, making Rose 13 if this episode is set in 2023. Having the wedding scene from the End of Time be set after Rose was born helps with believing Donna could have been pregnant during that story.

The TARDIS looks pretty cool. I love the call back to the classic TARDISes.

The Doctor proudly proclaiming that Beep was defeated by the DoctorDonna as he holds Donna in his arms 🥹

Shirley Anne was awesome.

Donna's little speech about Wilf when convincing Sylvia to let her go, reminding us that Wilf also suffered a loss when Donna lost her memories.

The psychic paper not catching up and listing the Doctor as a "mistress".

Rose inheriting the metacrisis. There is a catch to this that will be explained in the next section, but by and large I loved the idea.

The not-as-good:

I was hoping for a few more non-RTD references considering it's the 60th anniversary. I know we still have two more specials to go, so I should be patient, but it's still a little disappointing.

I'd hoped they would do something a little different than the comic. The comic is great, so this isn't really a bad thing, I'd just hoped for something more.

Having the metacrisis be a reason for Rose's transness (is that a word?) wasn't great. Everything else about the reveal was great - the toys, the shed, her name - but her gender being part of that just cheapened the issue they were doing so well with. Just for the sake of being clever. I suppose you could say they were making a point about time lord gender, but that point has been made. It got made years ago. It wasn't needed.

For most of the episode, Finney being older than her character didn't bother me... except when they showed her friend, who was played by someone much closer her character's supposed age. The age difference was very hard to ignore in those scenes.

Beep mentioning "the boss". Very menacing and very foreboding... but the Most High does not have a boss. The Most High is the most high and death upon whoever says otherwise!

Donna and Rose just letting the metacrisis go kind of ruins her goodbye in Journey's End and is somehow both lazy and overthought. Sharing the metacrisis between two people would have been a convincing enough reason for it to not kill Donna. They had their fix it already. And it was a good one! They didn't need to add another, much worse one.

#doctor who #dw spoilers #doctor who spoilers #the star beast

[variousqueerthings]

doctor who specials thoughts!

spoilers for most everything below:

obvs the plot was banging -- my partner didn't know the meep's a full-on war criminal evil emperor carnivore and I was trying not to giggle every time they called the meep so cuuuuute

the concept of transgender saved London! and donna noble's life! remember to thank a trans person in your life toay for saving people through the power of transgender!

but also specifically Donna's love for her daughter!

also Doctor preferred pronouns as any but specifically also "The Doctor" (definite article), fuckn good and correct

"you have weapons in your wheelchair!?" "of course, we all do" (from memory)

I know this is OG comic already, reallyreally enjoy the big bug beings aren't evil, and use stun guns -- an important way of gauging their character and whether the Doctor trusts them and solves the mystery. also the desiiiign of them!!!!! PRACTICAL CREATURE DESIIIIIIGN BOTH THEM AND THE MEEP!!!!!!!!!!

THE DOCTOR flopping about, RUNNING AROUND, CLIMBING UP THE WALLS, GETTING KNOCKED OUT! having just watched the entire of Eleven with all the "has a speech about how cool I am which makes the Bad Guys just give up for some reason" having this Doctor stalling for time and solving a mystery and then immediately knocked TF OUT!!!!!!!!!!

DoctorDonna BEstiESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!! they're so!!!!!!!!!!!!! they're SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! next two episodes are gonna kill me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

still got the mystery of why the Doctor came back with this face, teaser about the Meep's "boss" (assuming Toymaker), and of course we know next to nothing about what will happen next week!

ohhhhhhh the new Tardis, she's so FLASH, she's so CLASSIC, she's so HAMSTERWHEEL!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't know why I assumed Wilfred would be dead (well, they definitely counted on us assuming it), but it makes so much sense he wouldn't be when they fucking filmed with Bernard Cribbins!! Wilf will be coming up soon!

my couple of gripes are my feelings about UNIT as "uncomplicatedly good guys." I know there's a lot of different depictions of them throughout who (I've seen Two and Three + nu!who's depictions, and I prefer early seasons making it a more tempestuous relationship, especially with Three being sort of forced to work with them but really challenging their decisions and structures), but I watched the 50th anniversary the other day and that sees Kate Stewart almost blowing up London... once a military organisation, always a military organisation, and I'd like to see some future exploration of that. not that this episode was the episode to do so necessarily, but certainly in the future...

and the "male presenting" moment -- I see where it came from, it was the one misstep in threading trans/gender political and philosophical ideas into the text, had the vibes of "women and non-binary" type gendering, and makes you (me) go "what does male presenting mean? who is male presenting to you? do you mean man? do you mean "read as man"? are you talking about non-passing tans women, non-binary people with beards, trans men? and what does that have to do with your innate self?" it's some basic gender essentialism dressed up in progressive language. I'm going deep into this Moment, but it's also the only Moment, and I feel like it's interesting to hold it to a higher standard than I have previous Who. good intentions, this one is a miss

on the whole it's fucking BACK!!! TRANSGENDERS SAVE THE WORLD AND THE DOCTOR IS A BABY LOSER WHO FEELS SO MANY FEELINGS AND IS NO LONGER AFRAID OF EXPRESSING THEM AND DONNA IS ASKING WHY THEY CAN'T JUST HANG SOMETIMES AND SPILLS COFFEE ON THE CONSOLE AND THE TARDIS IS SO FLAAAAASSHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#doctor who #dw #doctor who 60th anniversary #im sure ive left things out guess ive gotta just watch it agaaaain

[bluedot-blog]

Holy hell, new Doctor Who 60th Anniversary trailer? Let’s goooooo!

Alright, thoughts (mostly chronological):

Looking very cinematic, seems like RTD is going all out for his second go at showrunner

Making sure that new viewers know who Donna is with a quick flashback and expository dialogue, very nice, seems like it’ll be done fairly naturally, like with what happened to Rose

DoctorDonna causing things to happen to her again possibly? I know it sent ripples back in time, so maybe it sent ripples forward too

Beep the Meep is a puppet!

Donna automatically calling any alien a Martian. Love it

Doctor using a forcefield(?) to block incoming fire instead of just the enemy inexplicably missing

Very creepy Neil Patrick Harris

Classic villain being recognised as someone who hasn’t shown up in ages.

Beep the Meep is a very expressive puppet! Or is that cgi? I can’t really tell. No matter which way it is, it’s very good

Donna remembers the Tardis? But isn’t exploding? Interesting. I’d like to see how they got there

Remembers that the Tardis is alive and feels emotion, unlike in Resolution

Donna being Donna

Tardis being airlifted again like in DotD, but this time the Doctor gets to ride in the copter. Nice to see Kate remembering that

UNIT got an upgrade after (i think) going bust. I can’t quite remember why that happened

“How do we fight the human race?” Ooh big scale bad stuff. Mass mind control? Something messing with their DNA?

Tardis acting in self defence? Maybe activating shields so no one can enter? Interesting plot point

Bisexual split in the skin of reality

Toy maker instantly recognises the Doctor even after regeneration. Instantly lets us know he’s smart and evil

London becomes Hell on Earth, beautiful cgi

Angsty Tennant, oh how I’ve missed you

Kaiju Toymaker, very fun. I don’t actually know much about him as a character, or what his powers are, other than what I could gather from this one comic I read where he was recaptured and put into a pocket universe

Ooh, the weight he puts into those words. “I don’t know… if I can save your life this time…” Very powerful, can’t wait for that scene

Gatwa + regeneration sfx. I wonder what’ll happen to cause the regeneration. It’s a tossup between sacrificing his life to stop NPH and sacrificing his life to stop Donna from melting into goo from mental overload

Where is that descending piano line at the end from?

Very strong music throughout the trailer. Feeling good about the OST of the specials

Why does this only have 6,400 views after 2 hours?

#doctor who #doctor who 60th anniversary #science fiction #trailer #david tennant #catherine tate #donna noble #ncuti gatwa #special interest #bbc studios

[denimbex1986]

'Doctor Who comes crashing back into time and space with three new specials for the series’ 60th anniversary, with David Tennant returning as the Doctor!

A big moment for fans who have been waiting for the return of Tennant and Catherine Tate as Donna Noble, the start of the specials came with a brilliant first episode on November 25 and will continue for the next two Saturdays. Beyond a thrilling story, it’s nice to have characters we know and love back in the series. Catherine Tate and David Tennant returning as the Doctor and Donna feels like a long time coming, and they’re two characters who just really mean a lot to us. Getting to see them shine in a new kind of Russell T. Davies era is exciting.

The first in the trio of specials, “The Star Beast,” gave us a very fun setup for the stories that are to come for Tate and Tennant’s return, so let’s talk about what happened at the end of each of the 60th anniversary specials and what they mean for the future of Doctor Who, as Ncuti Gatwa gets ready to take on the role of the Doctor when Tennant’s brief return comes to an end.

Where does the ending of “The Star Beast” leave us?

In The Star Beast, it seemed as if the Doctor was going to lose Donna. In order to stop the Meep, the Doctor had to restore Donna’s memories that he’d once sealed away to save her life, so that she could use the meta-crisis energy to stop the Meep. What the Doctor didn’t realize was that the energy was split between Doctor and her daughter, meaning that she could now survive as the DoctorDonna and they could successfully stop the Meep without him losing his best friend, too.

But in the end, the destruction that the Meep almost caused was wrapped up with a pretty bow on top of it. Reversing the course of their actions and allowing Donna and Rose (Yasmin Finney) to let go of the meta-crisis energy all on their own, the end of the episode was setting up a “final” mission between the Doctor and Donna. All of this comes after the Meep is stopped by the Doctor and Donna working together and the Meep ship is kept from being blown up and destroying the planet.

As they’re standing with the TARDIS, the Doctor convinces Donna to come in with him. We get the reveal of a new TARDIS, and as the two are walking around for old times’ sake, Donna tells us that the reason she lost her last job was because she dropped a coffee on a computer—and before she could do anything else, she … dropped a coffee on the TARDIS, causing mayhem.

So the end of the episode is the Doctor and Donna being taken somewhere in space and time that they don’t know.

The future is bleak after “Wild Blue Yonder”

The end of “Wild Blue Yonder” sets up a lot for the final special with Tate and Tennant. What we do see the minute the TARDIS returns to where the Doctor and Donna left Rose, Shaun, and Sylvia is a surprise favorite: Wilf. Bernard Cribbins is sitting as our beloved Wilf when the TARDIS opens and he sees Donna emerge. Behind her is the Doctor and he cries the minute he sees the Tenth Doctor looking back at him.

For a moment, it seems like the TARDIS just brought them back to a different day but it seems like there is a lot that the Doctor and Donna missed and they have to stop some evil from taking over the world. What that means for the next episode, we don’t know but we do know that that scene is the only scene we get of Bernard Cribbins.

A happy ending for a fan favorite Doctor?

The lead up to the end of “The Giggle” seemed to be just like every other regeneration story we’ve seen time and time again with Doctor Who, this time without any explanation as to why Tennant’s Doctor and face return to the character. What we got, instead, was a quick run down of why this Doctor got to stay and whether you like it or not, he got a send off and a goodbye that was meaningful to the Doctor/Donna relationship but one that did set a precedent for future regenerations that might have ramifications if fans are just loud enough about it.

The Doctor begins to regenerate, the typical glow taking him over and before he can, he fades back into Tennant and he says to pull and that something feels different and so when Mel and Donna do pull, they reveal the 15th Doctor (Ncuti Gatwa). From there, the two Doctors play a game of catch side by side with the Toymaker and the first to drop the ball loses. That ends up being the Toymaker who is damned by the Doctor.

Now, with gifted with a new chance at life, the Tennant’s Doctor has a chance at relaxing while the new Doctor goes on to save the world but what he doesn’t understand is how he can do that without his TARDIS. Luckily, Gatwa’s Doctor uses the energy of the Toymaker to split the TARDIS into two so that Tennant’s Doctor can have his own version of the TARDIS as well. Meaning that we have the Doctor and Donna together.

The end of the episode has the Doctor eating dinner with Donna and her family while the 15th Doctor is on to his next adventure.'

#The Star Beast #Wild Blue Yonder #TARDIS #The Giggle #Neil Patrick Harris #The Toymaker #Ncuti Gatwa #Wilfred Mott #Bernard Cribbins #Russell T. Davies #The Meep #Bi-generation #Shaun Temple #Rose Noble #Yasmin Finney #Karl Collins #Sylvia Noble #Jacqueline King #David Tennant #Catherine Tate #Donna Noble

[celestetcetera]

#doctor who #dw #no classic who as I have tragically not seen it 😔 #poll

[upslapmeal]

The Star Beast

I was watching with my housemate so I couldn't do my normal thing of pausing to make notes but it would feel wrong to not make a post so with that said...

...THEY'RE BACK BABEYYYYY

man seeing David and Catherine together again was so much fun!! the Meep was so cute and evil, the emotional stuff hit in the right way, I REALLY want to run around in that new TARDIS!!!!

a couple of quibbles (the sonic can suddenly do A Lot huh. and 'we're women so we can in fact just choose not to die' was a bit ??? especially given that Thirteen just had to regenerate and it was Ten who has been known to Not Regenerate Actually in a way very relevant to creation of the DoctorDonna) but overall I had a GREAT time, can def see how this was the most conventional of the three specials and I'm soooo intrigued about next week's!!

#seeing how RTD writes characters makes me really sad that we're unlikely to get Thirteen and the fam back before he leaves #I'd be fascinated to see how he would write them since character development (or lack thereof) was what frustrated me most about that era #the star beast #doctor who #dw #dw spoilers #ramblings

[madqueenalanna]

quick rundown on thoughts from "the star beast" spoilers obvi

extremely impressed that david tennant can go back to being the doctor and play a character that feels distinct from ten. i imagine, especially with the same companion, it must've been really hard not to slip into old habits

that said it was very... weird. bc this was an Event episode, which are normally specials or series finales, but we've never met fourteen before. i don't know this guy yet, it's hard to feel as emotionally invested as i should be. i know i'm poisoned from having just watched "day of the doctor" and also all of s4 in less than a week but still

this was unfortunately my least favorite genre of doctor who episode which is "a lot of people are shooting and stuff is blowing up a lot" which heavily overlaps with unit episodes. can you all talk for a minute stop shooting

i would die for the meep. and the twist that the meep was evil was genuinely better than most twists i've seen in movies recently. i want to pet the meep

we stan wife guy shaun

LOVE love love rose. haters stay seething and coping

loved the way of resolving the metacrisis! finally a better ending. binary and nonbinary. that said the "we know something a male-presenting time lord would never think of" was corny and overkill

sorry i hate the new tardis interior

really appreciate the doctor noting that what he did to donna killed him, he really spiraled hardcore in the specials. i've said that rose was the most important person to ten bc she basically created him– the bad wolf forced his regeneration, he was born out of the bond they shared and her love for him. and yet donna was destined to be the doctordonna which meant destiny forced him towards her just as much as it did her to him. so idk dude you have some serious codependency issues with women

so like a 6/10 from me. extremely excited to have russell back and i love what he's done with the place but this episode didn't really do it for me. i'm REALLY excited to see what he'll do with the toymaker and then again when we can get a slower-paced story going with fifteen

#Doctor Who #The Star Beast #Spoilers

[thebadtimewolf]

give me onscreen fluff no matter the cost

i think rtd2 should kill off dimemsion cannon-toting rose marion tyler. hey. im not saying its not gonna highly anger me if they kill her off doing something ooc because it will if they go down that route. make it make sense based on the material that is given. because this aint early 2000s now. its original and new. and not predictable and yt.

im saying so we can have onscreen scenes of then kissing and holding baby mia because i'll be fucking damned if you gave that to racist joan redfern but NOT TO ROSE????

this is because if meta crisis ten/tentoo does come back, there needs to be a reason why he is there alone. we saw what he does when hes alone and only one person attempts to stop him: he starts blowing shit up. doctordonna AND jackie couldnt stop him from basically being a bomber the whole time.

it'll mull him, not harden him or make him go evil like every predictable fanfic whenever rose dies and hes evil and blah blah. it'll ground him. and i dont want it to be like: oh rose passed away! Any way lets- no.

I want it to where the Doctor doesn't realize something is wrong beyond just tentoo being back. It would be the last thing he would think, the one thing they would never come to the conclusion to. I mean, for us it was decade or so ago but for the doctor, that was essentially billions of years ago. That was just plucked stray eyelash from two years ago in comparison.

And tentoo is keeping up appearences. Even says present tense verbs "she is doing great, she is currently so and so doing whatnot" but then it starts being noticeable. Bit by bit. He used 'did' or 'used to' a few slips. Here and there. Something that can brushed off as parallel world: different rules.

But then, near the climax, a gutpunch - you know rtd love his gutpunches of heartbreak - rose died and tentoo blamed himself for it. [mind you, there is a flashback of rose, teen mia, and tentoo just to establish that a comic or audio isnt now canon.] and its something mundane though not how danny pink initially died. at least mundane enough for it to happen but not too mundane enough to be ANOTHER FRIDGING DEFAULT TROPE.

tentoo and pete was there (yes surprise guest star shaun dingwall) and the look of horror on their face when they both rush out only for it to be too late.

but it gets tentoo to stop being trigger-happy. Yes, he gets hurt, but the reason the reveal happens is him saying something along the lines of 'i can't make my daughter into an orphan'

because if moffat gets a hold of that, he's gonna make stone rose a reality in the most cruellest way of killing off rose. Not send her back in time, just turn her into an irreversible weeping angel with no trace of anything that she used to be except her face and hair. I don't need that NO ONE NEEDS THAT!!! but as far as killing of fan faves go: thats your real motherlode there.

it shows no one is safe. tegan and kate stewart almost proved it to be the case. but killing off rose? rose tyler? dame rose marion tyler of the powell estate? that? that's a huge move. a big move.

but it explains so much in retrospect for 50th in film and novelisation. why the moment expressions are the way they are. why literally 10 and 11 could never see her but war and 13 and superpower companion from brooklyn, ny, gabby gonzalez can. why be a ghost haunting them? why be present yet also not at all to them? why be the yellow wallpaper in a burning room of gold? anyway.

give us what we got in one comic as a wandavision esque for empress rose's perspective but onscreen with the main girl! and we all saw i hate suzie fear ep i cried when her character died. let me repeat myself: i cried when billie's suzie's character in a fictional show within i hate suzie, the zombie show that doesnt exist, died. let her cook! i want my heart feel like regina mills in one of her ✨️always serving evil queen regality✨️came into my house, punched through my chest, crunched my heart like it was a simple wine glass stem and then emotionally tossed my body around like she about to audition for making me a new kind of muppet.

make us fear for EVERY 2005 COMPANION RETURNING (except jack because hes still immortal) make us actually clutch pearls and the fabric covering our stomachs!

[this is the same disney+ that now has uncensored punisher and the last time we had rtd writing in america was miracle day and that was gruesome in itself so 👀😬 the whiplash of heartbreakingly devastating opportunities is right there. especiall since rose is canonically established to be part of pete's world torchwood not unit so. yeah be afraid.]

#bw: out of ethos #tv: doctor who #tv: torchwood #{dont read allat. just know i want rosetentoo to get same tosh x owen treatment but for rtd to give us pete world torchwood spinoff} #bw: long post #{its established in various rosetentoo content that they are in pete's world torchwood instead of unit} #{so yeah jot that shit down because that torchwood was already existing before doomsday under a resistance group} #{and now rich boi pete who runs it: the same pete that is a counterpart to dead dad pete: and just added rosetentoo?} #{brace for the worse yall if we do get a double spinoff from rtd}

[egyptroyal]

anyway...

me @ 11:59 PM EST: time lord victorious started in waters of mars.

me @ 1 AM EST: time lord victorious began in stolen earth/journey's end when he regenerated and looked at rose the same way he looked at joan redfern's descendant later on (great granddaughter??) before hugging her and the only hint from that is him saying 'does it need saying'

me now: time lord victorious began when the bad wolf possesed him after leaving/saving rose from it and from born again/christmas invasion and onwards, he just put on a mask that revealed a tiny bit of it long enough for him to keep them by his side but not too close to where they don’t wanna leave when the situation gets too real for them. 

evidence includes:

the mistreatment of dr. martha jones and mickey smith because he only gave them the respect they should have gotten at the beginning but only recieved it AFTER when they chose to leave him behind instead of him choosing to leave them behind like he does to everyone else. And how he was ready to move on with donna but then donna declined that first offer and all of a sudden, through openly flirting with martha and acting like that

jack's 'you abandoned me' and 10's entire vibe in utopia

donna's doctordonna plot (with deleted scenes) and how he looked at her when they were chilling on a roof top before the reception like MY DUDE??? 10??? BRUH??? U JUST LOST ROSE LIKE MINUTES AGO?? SECONDS?? AND YOU LOOK AT DONNA LIKE THAT???

every time bill says something that reminds him of the mistreatment of dr. martha jones.

me @ 3 am: time lord victorious should have kept going after waters of mars because the only regeneration that was thinking of rose that much was tenth doctor and we could have gotten the bringer of darkness, the destroyer of worlds, the oncoming storm, the one the only, the time lord victorious and the bad wolf. WE COULD’VE HAD TEN TRAVEL WITH A GOD BEFORE HE LEFT. A GOD THAT JUST chose billie’s face because it could. like UGH THE POWER?? THE DESTRUCTION??? the usage of billie’s real accent before becoming an almost growling purr?? the decline into david’s real accent that just get thicker the more blood spilled into a purred growl YOU KNOW??? WE WAS ROBBED OF THAT DYNAMIC.

that look like she about to chase you??? and then who fades out from shadows into the light to appear behind you without a sound??

this motherfucker. robbed i say. bamboozled i yell.

me nearing 6 am listening to the audio samples of time lord victorious: why. are. they. acting. good? where. is. the. evil. monologue? the hissed out retort? the purred threats? the manic promise behind said threats? the destruction? the dark tones of background music that tells the audience that the doctor about to murder in pluto-temp cold blood? the goosebumps i get at the back of my neck thinking they are right behind me despite me laying flat on my back in my bed? the shiver down my spine when they just read a person/alien in a way that make the listener wanna leave the room because holy entity of your choice do you want to actually travel with the master or a dalek instead of the doctor after that audio adventure? the exact vibe of the doctor who series 4 campfire promo? WHERE IS THAT VIBE?

#c: victorious survivor #{shh its just me and my expectations of the time lord victorious}

[6-and-7]

I’ve rather been wanting to do one of these things eventually, so thank you @madfanboyinablueblog​!

Favorite Doctor: Probably Six. I enjoy his bluster and haughtiness because of the two hearts of gold hidden underneath. Every time he gets to be Sof I just melt. Also, I too love cake, singing, big words, cats, and The Coat, so I just really vibe with him.

Favorite Master: I’m always glad to ‘Say something nice’ about Missy. She’s just so much fun! She dabs, she does dramatics, she introduces herself by singing, she takes the mickey out of everything (”I’m that mysterious traveler in space and time known as Doctor Who, and these are my expendables, Thing One and Thing Two.”), and she’s just absolutely marvelous.

Favorite Sonic: I don’t really know. I’m rather partial to the design of Three and Four’s, with the wheel at the top. I don’t really know why.

Favorite Companion: How dare you make me choose among my babies. Uhhhh I’ll go with Donna, because her chemistry with Ten made me like him much more than I otherwise would have. She helped to redeem him for me, as it were.

Favourite Episode: Hmm, another very difficult one. I think I'll say... The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances. Nine was my first Doctor, and I have a soft spot for all his episodes. This two-parter stands out to me for the raw terror that the Empty Child still inspires in me, the introduction of Jack, the tenderness and chemistry between Nine and Rose, and of course, “EVERYBODY LIVES!”. That scene still warms my heart.

Favorite Soundtrack: I’m not super good at picking them out. I’m going to cheat and say ‘Jo is Making a Thing’ from The Scorchies, because that song is both a bop and a jam.

Dream Actor/Actress for the Next Doctor: Bold of you to assume that I know any actors who haven’t been on Doctor Who already. Uhh, it says ‘dream’, so I’m just gonna say Catherine Tate as the DoctorDonna.  

Dream Composer: ????? I have no names. Literally all I’ve got is David Bowie. Which, again, it was ‘dream’ composer, so why not.

Dream Story: I have many. Off the top of my head... 1. A musical story in which the Doctor goes to Broadway and encounters Iris Wildthyme, who has been cast in a play. But things go terribly awry as critics and divas alike start dying, and Iris and the Doctor discover that the Scorchies intend to use this musical to take Manhattan -- literally. Panda is there and must engage in psychic combat to keep his mind from being taken over by the evil puppets. Lin Manuel Miranda makes a cameo. 2. Literally just a remake of “The Year of Intelligent Tigers” by Kate Orman. No changes to the dialogue or plot. You can’t improve on that. ... I considered letting Karl and the Doctor kiss, but I fear that might ruin the Yearning. Please Mr. BBC, let me see Paul McGann in a slapdash tiger costume, playing the violin. 3. The Doctor and the Master are trapped in a deadly gauntlet of traps and must work together to escape. They eventually confront the mastermind behind it all, who reveals herself as the Rani. She just wanted to force them to sit down and break the sexual tension that’s been there since the Academy. 4. The Doctor and her companions meet P.G. Wodehouse in early 20th century London and have an amusing comedy of errors involving a prize pig, a thrice-stolen diamond necklace, a foreboding Aunt, and absolutely no aliens whatsoever, it’s just a nice, goofy pure historical, the likes of which we haven’t seen for damn near forty years. So basically Black Orchid, but it’s Wodehouse. 5. Faction Paradox tries to mess with the Doctor’s timeline, end up asking her if she’s alright and if she needs a hug. The companions enter the TARDIS to find the Doctor crying on the shoulder of an increasingly uncomfortable woman in a skull mask. The companions exit the TARDIS. 6. Season-long arc of two-parters in which the Doctor must once again search for the six segments of the Key to Time, while Faction Paradox agents seek to trip her up and stop her from assembling it and returning the universe to harmony. I could go on, but I don’t think I could stop if I didn’t make myself.

I’m gonna tag @achairwithapandaonit, @banrionceallach, and @braddersbangerz

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