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elentarial · 1 year
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Thunder rumbles, the fires burn —-    And Finrod fell before the throne
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elennalore · 2 years
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Sauron vs. Finrod in Eregion
Drabble (100 words) & accompanying art for @silvergiftingweek day 3: Collaborators | Community
That summer, the Mírdain decided to perform the Lay of Leithian. They gave Sauron’s role to Celebrimbor. He insisted on Annatar acting the role of Finrod because he looked the part – and was the best singer. At dress rehearsal, Celebrimbor wore a black cape with fur collar and an iron crown he had made for the play. He looked down at Annatar standing before his throne. Their eyes met. A pleasant shiver filled his body.
It occurred to Celebrimbor to improvise.
“I would prefer a battle of wits, but you appear unarmed.”
Annatar collapsed before the throne, howling with laughter.
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The quote is a prompt from Silmarillion Writers’ Guild monthly challenge “Zingers”. The quote has conflicting attributions so no clear credit.
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ayaosguqin · 10 months
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“Day 3:Enemies “
The song of Darkness and light
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legitimatesatanspawn · 7 months
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Hello! Could you tell me if Sauron got wrecked by a dog before or after he created werewolves?
Sauron made them first! What follows is a recap about the creation of werewolves, the story of Huan, and why the fight is important.
Sauron bound a "fell spirit" into a wolf body, creating Draugluin. Draugluin isn't the most powerful werewolf though as that is his son Carcharoth who Morgoth handfed people meat to like he was an oversized pet. For the record to people reading this: Morgoth is Sauron's boss, who is essentially LotR's Lucifer.
It's not exactly clear what Draugluin was before getting stuffed into a wolf but it is fair to assume he was originally another fallen and corrupted Maiar. But it's possible thanks to his title as "necromancer" that Sauron shoved a dead evil human soul in there if only to match the linguistic origins of "werewolf" as "man wolf".
Sauron also could turn into a wolf himself - which was part of the Epic Fight with the Dog. The dog being Huan, who protected Luthien and helped her and Beren fight off... a whole lot of enemies overall.
Huan was literally just a dog. A dog the "size of a small horse" that was showered with a nice package of blessings so he was functionally an elf in dog form. Immortal but could be killed. Prophesied to die after speaking three times. Orome really liked that dog. Which is to be expected of the Valar Archangel God of the Hunt. Note: this is specifically hunting Morgoths's monsters, not wild animals. He likes wild animals and dogs and horses.
Why Luthien and Beren had the epic journey adventure is under the cut. As is the summary of the journey, the actual fight, and the aftermath.
Luthien's father got together with a Maiar named Melian, who was basically a one woman force of nature who protected an entire city-state kingdom by making an Unpassable Location. The kingdom Doriath was basically Hidden and Safe and Amazing and probably had a few dumb policies as is wont to happen when you're isolated and cut yourself off from the world's problems.
Beren... somehow finds his way to the forests around Doriath. Sees her. They fall in love (echoing what will later be Aragorn and Arwen and part of why Elrond is sort of Freaking Out because he knows how this story goes and while he doesn't wanna be Thingol... ).
Beren can't get killed off by Thingol's orders because Luthien managed to get him to promise not to, or to imprison him for the Audacity, so Thingol manages to get him to go along with a deal: "come back with one of the Noldor's stolen Silmarils from Morgoth's crown and you may have my daughter's hand in marriage."
This is meant to be a Solo Thing but Beren asks Finrod for advice. Finrod is a bamf and one of the big brothers to Galadriel and kicks all kinds of ass. He remembers all the drama of the Silmarils and was one of the Noldor who opposed the Oath to cross the artic ice for revenge to get them back... look there's a huge mess with the Silmarils and why Oaths are Bad and why no one trusts the Noldor or especially not Feanor or his sons. I don't want to get into it right now, their creation, or why specifically Galadriel's brother getting involved is a big thing. Like I get the reasons because that's Feanor's creation and Morgoth egged him on before swiping them, but god damn. But Finrod wasn't gonna go with them but then he didn't want to get cut off from his friends who did so he went along.
So hearing "I promised to get the Silmarils back" probably wasn't a happy moment for Finrod to hear coming out of Beren's mouth. Thank god no Grinding Ice was involved though because that was a massacre unto itself. It took around 25-30 years to cross that, or like 9 'years' as known by their calendar then. Even for an elf that's a long time.
Finrod gathered up a bunch of people but most of them got killed and captured and the survivors were taken to Sauron's island where he was still breeding Werewolves for some unholy reason. The probable meta reason is to ensure the existence of Wargs later on.
Luthien sensed Problems so she dashed out to find Beren and ran right into two of Feanor's sons and their dog Huan - who was given to one of them by Orome back when Feanor's family weren't being Ultra Stupid about the fancy cursed yet hallowed gems. And for reasons I can't remember clearly on why, they took Luthien prisoner and locked her up in Finrod's fort. Where she got chummy with Huan and Huan helped her escape (and spoke for the First time).
They got there in time to try and avenge Finrod's death. Sauron was like "oooh that Maia's spawnling. I'll be richly rewarded by my master if I bring you to him in chains" and cue the werewolf attack that Huan bamfed his way through kicking their asses. This included the father werewolf by the way, so you know Huan is a beast (affectionate).
And then Huan and Sauron fought! Sauron took the form of a wolf first and lost, but Huan got him in a chokehold with his teeth and just REFUSED to let go! No matter what form Sauron took, no matter what he did or tried to do...
Sauron got his ass kicked by a dog and it was only because of Luthien letting him go (probably laughing the whole time) so she can move on to more important things.
If you're curious about the rest of that story: Beren and Luthien snuck into Morgoth's hellish current capital by disguising themselves as his top vampire messenger/servant and the dead father werewolf. Luthien, when Morgoth tore off the illusion/disguise, continued to be a BAMF and bewitched the whole capital/fortress into falling asleep so they can pry one of the gems from the Iron Crown. Sadly Morgoth started to stir when something hit him by accident so they panicked and ran out with the Silmaril.
(Fair warning: nothing mortal can touch the Silmarils. Nothing EVIL can touch the gems either. This was by holy decree and blessing. So how Thingol expected Beren to take a Simaril back I have no idea.)
But remember when I mentioned Carcharoth, the son of the first werewolf? He woke up first because, as the guard dog who got suspicious as all get out over his "father" having "survived" (word reached him of his death), they had to first cast him to sleep before slipping into the place. Beren tried to use the Silmaril to scare him off by waving it in the air and instead he got his hand bit off for the trouble.
And then Carcharoth went nuts for a whole new reason: agony in the belly. He was put out of his agony sometime later to get the gem, but this is the best part I swear:
When Thingol saw Beren and Luthien rock up seemingly empty-handed... Beren told him to his face "even now I have a Silmaril in my hand".
Rest of the story short, Beren and Luthien got together, the wolf with the Silmaril in his belly showed up (probably was tracking them) and tried to get Thingol only for Beren to get in the way. Huan got the wolf, the wolf got Huan, Huan died with his head in Beren's other hand. Thingol got the gem, Luthien... died at some unclear point in time and convinced the Archangel Valar God of the Dead to change Beren's fate and let them be together in death if not in life. They got reborn as humans and got a happily ever after together - she gave up certain peace for an uncertain life with him..
Meanwhile, skipping over the hot mess that is Turin's life and why Thingol adopted him, Thingol got killed off by Dwarves who found out that not only did he have a Simaril but he put it in a famous Dwarven necklace "gifted" to him by Turin's blood father Hurin over how his son's life went (LONG story short: a terrible combination of Morgoth cursing people, Morgoth's dragon cursing people, Morgoth capturing Hurin and cursing him, and also Arrogance and Pride on Turin's part, and lots of soap opera drama) to create one insanely priceless artifact. This lead to the Sacking of the kingdom and a lot of death and destruction, as is wont to happen when Simarils are involved.
Honestly, Beren and Luthien should've decked Thingol when he first brought up the damn rock.
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I set my fire, And I send you now To mournful Angband...
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urwendii · 11 months
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Trop is good but a canon compliant 1st Age tv show would have been absolutely unhinged 💯 👌
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✨Round 5: Match 1✨
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(Finrod art by @elena-kukanova)
Finrod Propaganda:
He's pretty, he has excellent hair, and one time he almost won a rap battle with Sauron
Only elf to carry sparkly jewels across the death Ice, fought Sauron with a song
golden boy master harpist playing Songs of Power. also he died fighting werewolves which is pretty cool
'died fighting werewolves' does not do the situation justice sauron threw him to the wolves to die, and he took one out with him by ripping out its throat. with his teeth
"Weird Al" Yankovic Propaganda:
No one plays the accordian better than he
Woah woah woah if it's sparkly bards youre looking for then it's definitely Weird Al you need, he is both in abundance
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ellsommerfeld · 5 months
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recently translated 'he chanted a song of wizardry...' to quenya so here's finrod vs sauron battle and some tengwar ~calligraphy
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mistergandalf · 1 year
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ULTIMATE TOLKIEN BLORBO ROUND THREE: SECOND CHANCE BRACKET
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FINROD FELAGUND vs. SAURON
See the ULTIMATE TOLKIEN BLORBO MASTERPOST for details and follow #ultimate tolkien blorbo to cast your vote for the blorbiest blorbo of all!
Finrod by BellaBergolts Mairon (Sauron) by alystraea
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thelordofgifs · 11 months
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Obscure Tolkien Blorbo: Round 2
Andreth vs Tar-Míriel
Andreth:
A woman of the First Age, one of the central characters of the Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth. In her youth she had a romance with Finrod’s brother Aegnor.
She's wise, she's angry, she's bitter, she's everything to me. Blorbo to end all blorbos.
Old philosopher woman who challenges elves about their understanding of reality
Tar-Míriel:
The last queen of Númenor, who was forcibly married by her cousin Ar-Pharazôn.
RIGHTFUL QUEEN OF NUMENOR her throne was STOLEN from her and I may have constructed an entire personality for her based mostly on the lacunae where she is NOT described but it's canon-supported, okay! Like - she didn't support Pharazon, she didn't support Sauron, but she didn't ever act on that in any way major enough to make it into the narrative! It's just in the very last possible minute that she does something, trying to climb the Meneltarma to get to the sacred place at the top - and the Meneltarma I'm pretty sure was erupting at the time? So this isn't her trying to get to safety, this is her trying to make it to the holy place before the wave catches her. But it's too late and she's carried off. And I read SO much into that, that the phrasing is specifically "too late she strove to ascend the steep ways of the Meneltarma to the holy place" - I read it as a metaphor for her entire queenship, how she WANTED to oppose Sauron and Pharazon, but their power was overwhelming and she couldn't see a way to succeed. So she waited, and waited, and waited, and watched for an opportunity that never came, and who knows what would have happened if she'd just thrown aside caution and acted? Maybe she would've been killed, and her supporters with her. Probably that's what would have happened. But maybe not! And she will never, never know, because the time slipped by with waiting until suddenly the earth was shaking and the sea was surging over the land, and there was no more time.
Round 2 masterpost
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tanoraqui · 1 year
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Notes for the 5th and final season of Crownless, the Young Aragorn show that has lived rent-free in my brain since a slightly insane message to a friend at 1am sometime in 2019:
[s1&2, s3, s4]
A few quick notes before we get juicy:
- Gandalf still appears once per season this whole time
- hopefully Stephen Colbert has been doing the same thing, as a random assortment of unrelated very minor characters
- the man who's herb-loremaster of the Houses of Healing in RotK, who explains the linguistic history of athelas rather than producing any of the plant, is a junior apprentice with the healers. We met a young Ioreth in Lossarnach in a MotW episode in s4 I think
- reminder that the theme song is a setting of the "All that is gold does not glitter" poem and that young Aragorn is SO hot. We WILL cast someone who could slam open the doors of Helm's Deep and swagger in like sex on legs.
- I am definitely playing fast and loose with canon timeline and geopolitical events this season
Okay, real stuff now:
Until now I’ve mostly just described character arcs and plot points but now it’s time for MAJOR THEMES. As manifested by character foils.
[maniacal delighted laughter]
Note: this season, Aragorn is like 40% protagonist and Arwen and Denethor are both 30%, and Dúnawen, Halbarad and Roddis are solidly secondary cast - but, to an extent, more notable than in s3-4, because we're spending less time on monster of the week with all its minor 1- or 2-ep characters.
Yes, we've completed the slow transition from pure MotW to nearly pure season-long plot. There's still an element of new problem and/or location each week, but the driving issue all season is the increasingly unavoidable war with Umbar. There is at least one episode where Aragorn is back in the northern woods with Halbarad and Dúnawen and they save a random hamlet from trolls or something...but it's not as simple as it used to be...but maybe it still feels more right than all the work Aragorn has been doing in the south...
[we'll get to that]
So, ideally, this show is a 5-season musing essay on leadership…and Denethor is a good leader. He is a good Steward of Gondor. I WILL die on this hill. He is too proud to bow his head to any other and he looks first to Gondor's advantage and only sometimes beyond that, but these are not terrible failings in the Steward of Gondor. By the time we meet him in LotR, he has led his country in an increasingly hopeless war for four decades, and they love or at least respect the hell out of them -
No, actually, let's talk about amdir vs estel.
Both are forms of hope. Amdir, as defined in the Athrabeth Finrod a Andreth (courtesy of Tolkien Gateway) is "an expectation of good, which though uncertain has some foundation in what is known." Denethor, I posit - I write in this show - has a good capacity for amdir. He believes in the strength of Gondor and its people...but Sauron overthrows his hope of victory by showing him the seemingly overwhelming forces set against him. Denethor isn't pessimistic by nature, but even when he's optimistic, he's realistic. He cannot bring himself to believe in goodness beyond what there is at least a glimmer of evidence for.
Estel is an unfortunately symptom of Tolkien's Catholocism more synonymous with "faith" than "hope." Finrod describes estel as, "not defeated by the ways of the world, for it does not come from experience, but from our nature and first being. If we are indeed the Eruchin, the Children of the One, then He will not suffer Himself to be deprived of His own, not by any Enemy, not even by ourselves." Or, if we strip out some of the religiosity for network television and my own preference: estel is hope beyond reason or any real evidence, save perhaps gut instinct. Estel is sending 2 halflings alone to take the Ring to Mordor and hurl it into Mount Doom, and in the end using yourself as bait to give them more time. Estel is the belief that joy always lies on the far side of sorrow, no matter how long the journey through the dark.
Aragorn, of course, is literally named Estel.
And estel is the empirically correct choice in Middle Earth, because that's how the world and story (same difference) is built. The characters do not and should not know that, but it is - we the audience knows that the answer to the question "who should rule Gondor, Denethor or Aragorn" is 100% "Aragorn." But the characters don't! And therein lies the conflict.
(Ecthelion is still here, being the actual Steward of Gondor. But Finduilas's death and the loss of his friend Thengel, and the mounting stress of the rising power of Mordor and how it's riling up all their southern and eastern neighbors, compound with his genuine age...he is still mighty in heart and mind, but his time is passing and everyone knows it.)
The question of the first 4 seasons, for audience and characters alike, was, "can Aragorn be King of Gondor?" Is he wise enough, is he charismatic enough, is skilled at diplomacy and at war, does he know how to care and command without being overbearing, he capable in a practical way at bureaucracy, tolerating fools and the hundred little tasks which a king must do daily...
By the end of s4, we all know that the answer is "yes." He still lacks experience, but he always will until he starts the job - Aragorn did some clever stately thing at the end of s4, and when Thengel fell he took able command of the battlefield before handing it gracefully to Theoden, and if Ecthelion died tomorrow Aragorn could successfully claim is crown and lead Gondor in the war they all know is coming...
The question now is: should Aragorn be King of Gondor? This is really multiple questions: Does Gondor need a central ruler at all? (What about democracy?) If so, does Gondor need a King, when they have a Steward? Does Gondor need a King right now? What about Arnor?
The answers, which will be clear by the end of the season, are in order:
1. Yes Gondor needs a central ruler; this isn't even really a question the show poses. We are NOT dropping modern political theory into my medievalesque fantasy show, thank you very much. We will continue to explore hte internal Gondorin politics set up in s4, though - the Steward's power isn't absolute; there are fiefs to the south and there are always other lords, merchants, scholars, craftsmen, farmers and laborers with their own power...
2. Gondor doesn't necessarily need a King...but it does need Aragorn more than it needs Denethor, see: amdir vs. estel. It will especially need Aragorn more, Aragorn's personal and political philosophy more, when at last the war is won and there is rebuilding to do for nor just Gondor but all Middle Earth...
3. But the sort of unlikely alliances at which Aragorn excels (because he is capable of thinking of other nations before Gondor) will not save then now, or, will not save them when Sauron truly begins to attack, except with Rohan. Rhun might be convinced to neutrality, but there is too much bad blood with Harad, with Khand, with Umbar... Aragorn can be king of this realm, he should be king of this realm, but there is nothing he can do for it for now that Denethor cannot...
4. And there is still trouble in Arnor, where there is no glory to be had for dealing it [see: aforementioned 'back in the woods' episode]. S5 is based out of Minas Tirith, but there is more travel - the designated "land of the season" is really the Kingdom of Gondor and Arnor as they will be in the Fourth Age. it opens with a 2-parter diplomatic mission to (Rhun?) to avert whatever war would otherwise have started from the attack on Rohan at the end of s4. Aragorn spends a lot of time in the southern fiefs (Lossarnach, Lebannin, Dol Amroth, etc), especially as the threat of the Corsairs of Umbar becomes paramount. And he returns to Arnor, as he has only a couple times since s1...
Though mostly it's Arwen who spends time in Arnor this season. Arwen's questions are different than Aragorn's. She's been competent this whole time - she has studied wise, strong, gentle rule with some of the greatest stewards Elvenkind ever knew. She did have to figure out how to adjust to Men, but she's done that, and moreover, she knows she wants to do that. She loves Aragorn, she loves Minas Tirith and Gondor, its hills and shores and people; she could make a life here, even if a short one, and something in her trills at the mystery of what would come next...
It also scares her. That she wants it, the ferocity with which she wants it, scares her. And the cost is so high...
The show's 100th episode would happen this season, and I would beg, I would blow half my budget, I would ritually sacrifice an unpaid intern...I would hopefully have proven myself enough with s1-4 that I could convince the Tolkien estate to sell me the rights to the extended Tale of Beren and Lúthien, or the Lay of Leithen or whatever complete form they're willing to share, for just one episode...so the 100th episode would some sort of flashback/dream sequence/illusion cast by a skilled elvish minstrel of the complete tale of Beren and Lúthien with Aragorn cast as Beren and Arwen as Lúthien, and etc. characters in corresponding roles.
(I'd do it with just what we have in LotR+Appendices, but I want the full rights so bad. For just 1 episode!)
With literally 22 episodes per season, this would be ep 12, in which case it is the final straw that prompts Arwen to flee Gondor and the fate she feels drawing in on her. If it's earlier, same. If later, she might've gone already, and this flashback/imagining comes as Galadriel tells her the story as she literally saw some of it.
There's also some sort of plot for Arwen to get involved with, maybe Dol Guldur again, or the barrows...Arwen with the Dúnedain, because she will be their queen, too - much easier than Gondor, for she has long been their cousin! but still a new thing. We ABSOLUTELY get 1 episode of pure Arwen, Elrohir and Elladan being a badass team.
She also discusses her Choice with them, and goes home to Rivendell and discusses it with Elrond. I forget what fic I read suggested that Arwen consciously makes the Choice not of Lúthien but of Elros, but it's SUCH a good point/interpretation and it 100% comes up in some conversation.
(I dunno if each episode is showing events in the south and north or if they wholesale switch back and forth or what.)
Throughout this, Arwen and Aragorn also start to develop the long-range dream-sharing they sometimes do in the LotR movies. They haven't done any of the traditional things elves do to bond telepathically (sex, cooperative meditation, etc), but they've grown close and the Great Song pulls them closer.
BACK TO THE SOUTH...
There’s an early-season episode in which Aragorn and Denethor both go back to Rohan to help young King Theoden with [stuff], and they both start to get competitive over it. Theoden ends up telling them both, “Full offense but I’m the King of Rohan actually, so thank you for your help and get the fuck out of my court.” Aragorn is duly chastised, and reminds himself to keep his pride in check. Denethor is chastised…for a while, and his pride will not forget this, we it has never forgotten any slight.
S5 is kind of a tragedy, and the tragedy is that Aragorn and Denethor could achieve so much if only they could get along. Or rather, if only they didn't naturally occupy the same ecological niche, that niche being ruler of Gondor.
Could Denethor ever serve Aragorn as Steward to King? No, because Denethor's pride is too great - he will never bend the knee to one he considers unworthy, and he will never consider anyone worthy above himself. Could Aragorn stay anonymously in Gondor forever, serve as Captain to Denethor's Steward? (This is Ecthelion's plan.) For Aragorn's pride...yes, Aragorn is capable of that with someone he deems greater than himself...but Denethor just does not qualify. Equal, perhaps, but not greater, and inevitable Aragorn would feel the need to step up and do what he thought right, and then there would be trouble...
Could they be true equal partners? No, because this, too, would try Denethor's pride, and Aragorn's more humble but also more righteous pride - and then Gondor would be lost, because if you took a poll in late s5 for who should succeed Ecthelion as Steward, Denethor or Thorongil...Denethor would win, but it'd be pretty close. Civil unrest–close.
(It needs to be clear why Aragorn could walk into this city 50 years later with no warning and be hailed and accepted as king)
(Denethor knows he has his father's support. He also knows he doesn't have many of his people's. This stings bad.)
(Aragorn is hurting his popularity a little by a couple times this season disappearing back north for Things up there)
(Also, to be clear, Denethor and Aragorn are both predominantly focussed on the growing problem of Mordor and its allies, and too wise to sabotage each other/themselves in that with rivalry...much.)
Btw the existence of the Minas Tirith Palantir was introduced in s4 (someone stole it maybe, and Aragorn had to get it back ASAP?). S5 sees Denethor start to use it...secretly. One time he's nearly found out; another time, he nearly tells someone...but he is not and does not. He promises himself he will only use it in diremost need, and he does hold to that promise (in these early years)
Then, late-season, Denethor finally figures out who Aragorn is. What Aragorn is. A comment let slip? A sketch of Isildur in the archives? A comment Finduilas made, before she died, about how Arwen plans to be a queen of somewhere someday soon? The Palantir?
Before he can do more than digest it, however, Ecthelion is assassinated! (Or, a harbor is deliberately attacked while he was visiting? They were aiming for him but it wasn't a 'knife in darkness' thing.)
Gondor is now AT WAR with Umbar and probably Near, maybe even Far Harad!
Yet on the eve of a big fight - or a month or so before, because travel times - Aragorn is needed urgently in the north! He must choose!
...He chooses to ride north. Just before he goes, Denethor confronts him about this abandonment of his duties to Gondor - and about his heritage. It ends with Denethor spitting, "Come back for your crown or don't come back at all!"
(Denethor regrets his words as soon as Aragorn is out hte door. What if he did come back for his crown? Would they tear Gondor apart between them? Denethor tells himself that for Gondor, he would hand over his scepter of office peacefully...but he knows he wouldn't. What right has Aragorn's ancient blood to the country that Denethor's family has served with blood and sweat all these generations! ...Anyway, he has more important things to worry about. The Corsairs besiege the coasts; the Haradrim advance from the south.)
Aragorn rides north as fast as can be, with (Dúnawen or Halbarad? Both work for different reasons). They meet up with Arwen and the Dúnadain to deal with the rising barrow-wrights (threatening the Shire, ultimate symbol of peaceful civilians!) Meanwhile in the south, Denethor, Halbarad and Roddis go to war--
Aragorn wraps up the fight in the north...for now. It'll be a problem again in the future...
He borrows a ship from the Havens and he and [whichever OG Ranger Trio friend] race the wind back south. (Arwen stays in the north)
Gondor has had victory in pitched battle on land, but the main problem is still the Corsairs. Was always the Corsairs, as Aragorn warned Ecthellon ago. Gondor has a navy, but not enough to win a pitched sea-battle, much less enough to guard their whole coastline.
Aragorn reaches Umbar ahead of the bulk of the army (which Denethor is with). He meets the vanguard, containing his friends (skilled scouts that they are)
Aragorn: I have an idea. Dúnawen: Is it another of your impossible plans based on ancient history. Aragorn: Maybe.
With a dozen-odd small ships as bait, they lure the bulk of the Corsair fleet into a vulnerable position... and then they burn the motherfucking pirates to the waterline.
When the Gondorin army catches up, they are met by Roddis, Dúnawen, and whoever else walked away from that naval escapade...with a message from Aragorn. [this text is pure canon!]
"To the Steward," Dúnawen said, and bowed to Denethor (though her voice was pitched to carry to all those watching). "He said, 'Other tasks now call me, lord, and much time and many perils must pass, ere I come again to Gondor, if that be my fate.’"
Denethor internally: what the FUCK does that mean. Is he coming back or not? If he comes back after this dramatic victory, the people will surely support him...
But he says something gracious and grateful, and goes home to be Steward of Gondor, watchful and warlike ever toward Mordor
Dúnawen stays in Gondor and marries Roddis. A couple weeks later, though, she hikes up the mountains behind Minas Tirith, where she spent much time in s3, and meets Halbarad, who spent much time there with her, and who left with Aragorn after the battle in Umbar. They catch up a little, clarify that she's staying, he's going north...
Dúnawen: You'll visit, I hope? Halbarad, looking out over Minas Tirith and the lands stretching out from it: No. The next time I lay eyes on these fields shall be the last.
(But he comes south anyway, in the War of the Ring! He knows he'll die there and he comes anyway, because there is Aragorn to aid and evil to fight!)
Dúnawen says, "Ah. Then Roddis and I shall have to visit you - and our crownless king, of course!"
Halbarad warns, "He meant his words, you know, and more. He will not return until the need is greatest and the time is right."
Dúnawen says, "I know. Aragorn always means his words. I did say we would visit you."
Halbarad laughs. "Indeed you did! Well, wait a few years - when we parted ways, he was paddling up toward Lothlórien, in expectation of meeting a lady there. Who knows how much time will pass in that enchanted wood, ere we see either of them again!"
The camera lifts as the music swells - Gondor's theme, Arnor's theme, the theme of the King as the camera flies through Gondor up the Anduin, passes a boat pulled over below the Falls of Rauros, passes the status of Anárion and Isildur by Amon Hen and Amon Lhaw, and catches up with a Man in a dark green cloak as he steps at last beneath the boughs of golden Lothlórien. He knows where to go, though they never discussed it, only shared a dream. The music changes to the theme of Aragorn and Arwen as he comes to where she waits on the white-flowered hill of Cerin Amroth. They take each other's hands while looking deeply into each other's eyes, pledge their troth, and embrace with a long kiss as the camera pulls out and twilight fades to dark...
And the dark turns to the flipping pages of a closing book, as the camera pulls out further to show once more a middle-aged Sam Gamgee - comfortably portly in his fireside armchair in Bag End - reading to half a dozen children.
"But aren't they going to get married?" a young hobbit-lass asks.
"Not in this story," says Sam.
Rosie comes in from where she was leaning contentedly on the doorway and says, "Not until after the king helps your Da and Mr. Frodo save the whole world. But--"
[young hobbits clamoring for that story! Nine-Fingered Frodo and the Ring of Doom! Samwise the Brave! I wanna hear about the spider!]
"But," Rose repeats more loudly and firmly, picking up 1-2 children at once, "that's a story for another night. Right now it's bedtime."
"Listen to your mother!" Sam says, puts the red-bound book on a side table and gets up to lift a slightly larger protesting child. "This Da is getting too old to be reading at all hours anyway!"
They usher the children out, to bed. The camera lingers for an extra moment the cheerful living room: where Sting hangs on the wall above the fireplace and on the adjacent wall, a small but expertly woven tapestry, with gems-encrusted threads which almost glow with their own light, of a star breaking through dark clouds to shine on a small figure holding a mirrored-shining glass in a dark land [implication: personal gift from Arwen]. There is a mayoral sash draped haphazardly over the back of one sofa, toys and a late-snack plate or two scattered about, and the thick red book from which Sam was reading, with the bookmark only about 3/4 though. The tale is never over, you see.
Fade to black for real this time, credits roll over a choral cover of the full poem: All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost. From the ashes a fire shall be woken, A light from the shadows shall spring; Renewed shall be blade that was broken, The crownless again shall be king...
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verecunda · 2 years
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I think my favourite part of the LOL rock opera’s version of Sauron vs. Finrod is how it has Sauron all but throwing the back of his hand against his forehead like a Victorian leading lady, and going, “Oh noes the powerful elven magics are just too much for me, I guess I’ll have to skip this round. Pray sing on.” 👀 👀 👀
What a motherfucker. I love him.
(So even while you’re happily AAAAAAAA-ing along with Finrod, at the same time you’re screaming “FINROD YOU GULLIBLE PRICK. STOP SINGING ABOUT VALINOR.”)
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tarrevizsla · 2 years
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a lot of people talk about the lay of leithian rock opera finrod vs sauron duel (and rightfully so, it's a banger) but my favorite version of finrod v sauron is the czech version!! here's the lyrics, under the cut:
Sauron: Say farewell to your freedom, you will never see the sun shine again.
Finrod: Darkness is not what I fear, the sparkle of stars is closer to my heart.
S: Say farewell to your home, It will soon become wreckage.
F: My home has always been across the Sea and you cannot change that.
S: Say farewell to your family, I will gladly welcome them into my power.
F: I have not taken a wife, free is my heart, I am alone.
S: Say farewell to everything you have ever wanted, you will lose everything you had loved. 
F: When I began this path, I knew then what it would cost me.
S: Say farewell to your life, and your futile mission.
F: I knew my fate, I have accepted it, this promise is one I will keep. I knew my fate, I have accepted it, this promise is one I will keep.
Finrod’s interlude
F: A powerful Maia you were ages ago, What happened to that time, when your wisdom awed us all?
S: A powerful Maia I still am, you will know, ere day’s ending.
F: You rule by fire, lies, and wrought steel, character and honor you have traded for a hard fist.
S: Those words “character” and “honor” are nothing but echoes of meaningless gestures.
F: Aulë was your lord, not Morgoth, only a fool would exchange the Smith for the Father of Lies.
S: Worm, were you called here to judge who is the better lord?
F: Your lord is fond of doing evil; do you not have any fear that in his anger he will crush you to dust?
S: Do not worry about my fate,  I will only consult with myself.
F: The will of the Powers you defy, your punishment is approaching, do you have no fear of the Valar?
S: The Valar do not worry me, but you should fear more for yourself. The Valar do not worry me, you should fear more for yourself.
Sauron’s interlude
S: Say farewell to your freedom… F: Wisdom you abandoned long ago…
S: Say farewell to your home… F: How easily you sold your honor…
S: Say farewell to your family… F: You have become such a fool…
S: Say farewell to everything you have ever wanted… F: Morgoth, know he is a volatile lord…
S: Say farewell to your life… F: Do you not fear the Valar?
Do you not fear the Valar? 
Spoken: S: And you?
What a proud elf, honor embodied, surely you can bear the consequences of your deeds; be sure that I can read between the lines.
You are hiding the goal of your journey, yet you have revealed too much:
For he who remembers Valinor, from Aman fled, Valar defied, he, who hides his face hypocritically, must be a rebel and a liar.
Did you think you had not revealed more? Every word has a double meaning. He who boasted as you did must have been born of a Noldor king. 
Remember Fëanor’s wrath, the shed blood at Alqualondë. Tell me: even you also had a sword in your hand, or did you look on idly?
Or did you idly look on?
What a proud elf, honor embodied, surely you can bear your guilt.
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nenyabusiness · 7 months
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#GetNenyaACirclet2k23
(yes, that's a very rough wip of the Finrod vs Sauron duel in Que- I mean Swedish)
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The Lay of Leithian Rock-Opera (x) ∟ The Duel of Finrod and Sauron — June 25th 2022
I set my fire, And I send you now To mournful Angband...
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urwendii · 8 months
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Finrod vs Sauron but the songs are despacito vs gangnam style
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