#fiona and monica

[mother-of-houseplants-2]

while i'm on my fiona-as-monica-stand-in bullshit:

monica being like "i get it. i know what it's like. i was once where you are right now." IS INSANE TO ME???? MA'AM THAT'S YOUR DAUGHTER???? HELLO??? and then -

fiona's sad little smile as monica says "you have no idea how bad it is" BECAUSE SHE DOES KNOW. SHE KNOWS IT ALL TOO WELL. BUT THEN????

the fact that it's LIP who says "try me" ???? I'M GOING INSANE. FIONA AND LIP AS MONICA AND FRANK PARALLELS/STAND-INS IS KILLING ME. AND IT DOESN'T END THERE????

fiona going "i know how he treated you" because he treats her the same way im !!!!!!!! and THEN!!!!

the fact that she ACKNOWLEDGES that she was forced into this role by his negligence/abuse AND HER ABANDONMENT, the fact that she outright says "i'm not his wife. YOU ARE," the fact that she TELLS MONICA "YOUR LEAVING MADE ME HAVE TO STEP INTO YOUR SHOES. YOU LEFT YOUR CHILDREN AND MADE ME THEIR MOTHER. YOU LEFT YOUR HUSBAND AND MADE ME HIS WIFE."

i'm on the ground.

#fiona gallagher #fiona gallagher’s childhood #fiona and her kids #fuck frank all my homies hate frank #fuck monica gallagher all my homies hate monica gallagher #fiona and monica #being terrible parallels of one another #the implications of this scene are driving me crazy #what do you MEAN you know what your daughter is going through with her father because it's just like what you went through with your husban #why would you SAY this #frank and monica i'm coming for your blood #tw abuse mention #sort of #parentification #shameless meta #normal things that normal people say to their kids

[zmickmilk]

thoughts on the book Fiona found and read during Monica's funeral? Not that if it exists, or maybe. I find it interesting that's what she used to maybe get to know her better? Or to have something to say since she had nothing? What did the book mean to her?

Honestly, I haven't really thought about this in depth before. I kinda just skipped past it as something insignificant, so thanks for asking this :)

So, from what i found, the book she finds is Siddhartha, a story of a man going on a spiritual journey. I've never read it so idk if everything I'm saying here is right cause its just what I gathered from Google

In the book, Siddhartha feels like he has to leave his family and feels like his child hated him because he has riches. I think this is something Monica would deeply relate to. Siddhartha fasts, becomes homeless, renounces all personal possessions, and intensely meditates when he starts his journey. Inconsistent eating, giving away/losing belongings, racing thoughts, and zoning out are all things that can happen when someone is in a manic episode. What Siddhartha does and how Monica may feel during an episode are very similar, and given that she's manic she probably believes she is also on a journey of enlightenment like the protagonist. It makes sense to me that this novel would be something Monica held close. At the end of the story, Siddhartha reaches enlightenment. He reconnects with his son in the sense that he can let him go, so basically, it's a happy ending. Monica wants that. That story is hope for her. In the same way Siddhartha is helped during his spiral journey, Monica wishes to be helped on her mental health journey.

'for every true statement there is an opposite one that is also true' I can see Monica connecting this to herself. The conflict of truth is similar to her own conflict of emotions. Or maybe even her 'true self' like she's a bad mother (true) but she also wants to connect and care about her children (true) thoese 2 statements are right but what one is more her?

Literature is a fantastic way to express yourself. Monica expresses herself through her love for the novel, she even underlines parts of it. Fiona never got to understand her mother when she was alive and now is her chance. It's not Monica's words but it can be seen as things she didn't get to say. In s1 fiona refers to lip as their mums favourite, we see during the show that Monica's favourite is Ian or Debbie, Monica tries to take Liam away for another chance. Many times fiona is overlooked by her mother (this happens to Carl too) but this book is hers. Its a chance not to only understand Monica but to have something one on one with her.

I think fiona would also relate to the book herself. Fiona leaves her family - like Monica and Siddhartha- after she gets a lot of money -like Siddhartha- so that she can become her own better person. She's starting her own journey. Even tho fiona hadn't left yet when Monica died I would love if this book stayed with her. Maybe it helps her come to the decision that she's ready to leave. Like Monica fiona craves help and support we see this all the time, normally in the form her acting rude and demanding praise but that's not important rn. Reading the Siddharthas story might of prompted her to see her how and her mum arent always so different.

Fiona quotes the book at Monica's funeral and I really really tried to find what quote it was but I sadly couldn't get a concrete answer. I think the fact fiona memorised a quote (probably one of the ones Monica had underlined) shows just how much she wanted to understand. Fiona doesn't say many good things about monica, she's always angry at her, blaming her (for good reason obviously) but lots of the time I think fiona uses angry as a way to cover up her sadness towards monica. Yeah she says she's happy she's dead but she still took time to memories quotes her mum held close to herself.

The book might also be a replacement of motherly advice. The novel is filled with wisdom. Monica had read the book, she had internalised the philosophies and now Fiona gets to do the same. Monica never got to bond with fiona and help her becomes the person she's meant to be like she's meant to. Monica passing down the book is like passing down her wisdom. She couldn't shape fiona when she was alive but she can indirectly help when she's dead.

Okayy I don't really have anything else to say, I kinda wanna read the book now tho. The shameless writers really ate with this one might be one of my new favourite details.

#shameless us #fiona gallagher #answering asks #monica gallagher #fiona and Monica #Siddhartha #i love this #like always #hope this makes sense

[mickeygifs]

#shameless #shamelessedit #fiona gallagher #emmy rossum #s7 #7.12 #fiona #monica

[lyricailove]

Does it ever hit you that because of Frank and Monica's emotional detachment, all of the Gallagher's seek out affection from romantic partners? But like to an almost obsessive degree.

Fiona's is obvious. She's hypersexual and falls in love easily. She will downplay her issues with Frank as something she's grown used to, but it's clear that it still affects her. She also does the same when it comes to Monica but I feel like her hostility towards other women comes from how she doesn't trust Monica, doesn't really trust herself, and sees those insecurities on other women. Ex: Her treatment of Mandy and distrust of her around Lip.

Lip is a classic case of a man dealing with his mommy issues by making it every woman's problem. He's hostile towards his romantic partners when they want a real commitment from him and he talks to women with so much disrespect that it's a wonder someone hasn't stomped his ass out yet. He's especially harsh towards his own sisters even though they've been the one's who have been there for him. He may hate Frank but he's noticeably giving and extremely forgiving towards men, even those he's only known for a short while. Almost like the story about the turtle was just as much about him hoping that he could fix Frank as it was about Frank crushing his hopes of a real father figure.

Ian being groomed is in no way his fault and is the fault of the creeps who pursued him. But I can't ignore the fact that Frank's abuse and neglect opened him up the further abuse he suffered at the hands of Kash and Ned. It's no coincidence that both Kash and Ned shower Ian with gifts and compliments about how impressive, smart, and mature he is.

Debbie 1. deals with comphet in the first few seasons, and 2. Feels ignored by her family so she tries to create her own family. Debbie is visibly the one most affected by Frank's issues and even when she for all intents and purposes gives up on him, it still affects her. Frank's hurtful words about her only finding love with someone "just as fucked up as she is" pushes her to put consider a dangerous situation with Heidi. She's also someone who struggles with control issues because she needs to help other people. She's a problem solver by nature. It's just that the two problems she wishes she could solve more than anything are out of her hands (Frank and Monica). She can't fix Frank's addiction, his selfishness, or his abusive tendencies. She can't fix Monica's wanderlust, her avoidance, or her aversion to long-term commitment.

Carl is so good at masking his emotions. It's easy to miss. But then you notice things like his attachment to Fiona, his absolute devotion to the girls he likes, and his need to protect. Carl is hypersexual, even though I've seen it rarely brought up in fandom, and longs for a long-term girlfriend. When he does get girlfriends he's all in from the beginning. When Carl loves someone he is all about them. He's so casual when it comes to talking about Frank and Monica, but that doesn't mean those feelings aren't there and they aren't affecting him.

Liam is still young so we don't get to see him in a relationship. He's the one Gallagher who's consistently treated like an actual kid. Probably the one who has the best chance at healthy emotional attachments. But then again, Fiona leaving most likely did a number on him and we weren't privy to what that looks like for him because the latter seasons forgot how to do long-term storytelling and emotional payoff. All we know is that he doesn't remember Monica, Frank being gone makes him an orphan and he's worried about where he's gonna live because Lip forgot that Liam was technically under Frank's care. We didn't get to see it, but I'd say Liam's first emotional crash is probably on the horizon.

#Mine #Shameless #Shameless US #Fiona Gallagher #Lip Gallagher #Ian Gallagher #Debbie Gallagher #Carl Gallagher #Liam Gallagher #Shameless meta #I lost the plot halfway through this post but I think the overall point shines through #Frank and Monica did a number on their kids #Someone get the siblings into therapy please

[deedala]

Timestamp Gif Roulette ⇆ 05x12: Love Songs (In the Key of Gallagher) ↳Peach + 12 for @lingy910y

#shamelessedit #shamelessnet #shameless #shameless us #ian gallagher #mickey milkovich #gallavichedit #gallavich #debbie gallagher #fiona gallagher #monica gallagher #bianca samson #giffed🍂 #colorwheel timestamp roulette #s5 #05x12 #ling you absolute menace (affectionate) #look what you picked #look what you made me do #i really lost the plot with this one you guys #anyway i really hope all these tarot references land #are they landing??? lemme know lmao

[m4ndysk4nkovich]

#i’m debbie #shameless #shameless meme #i would’ve included kev and liam but idk what to do for liam and i ran out of spaces for kev #frank gallagher #monica gallagher #fiona gallagher #lip gallagher #ian gallagher #debbie gallagher #carl gallagher #mickey milkovich #veronica fisher #shameless us

[fionaapplerocks]

Fiona Apple at the IFP-West Independent Spirit Awards, Santa Monica Beach // photo: Vinnie Zuffante

#Fiona Apple #1998 #Santa Monica #Independent Spirit Awards

[moldy-mold]

been thinking about this stuff for weeks (and there's so much more)

#xenoblade chronicles 3 #xenoblade #taion xenoblade #lanz xenoblade #sena xenoblade #zeon xenoblade #bolearis xenoblade #ashera xenoblade #monica xenoblade #fiona xenoblade #xbc3 #my art

[hannamarins]

#shameless #shamelessedit #fiona gallagher #monica gallagher #mine #mine: shameless #shameless: 2x10 #shamelessnet #smallscreensource #filmtvcentral #usersarasays #userrlaura #usermai #userkam #anztag #usersole #useralona #useraudrey2 #alielook #usersteen #userrange #userluce #userlenore #usergallaghers #userlauraj #userlizliz #usermick #userrin #usermorgan #tuserangela

[lopeirce]

Shameless (2011-2021) 1x09 - But At Last Came A Knock

#shameless #shameless us #fiona gallagher #monica gallagher #tvedit #tvgifs #tvsource #mine #gifs

[mother-of-houseplants-2]

father // the front bottoms

#i'm going insane #fiona and monica #fiona and frank #fiona gallagher #parentified child #ami weaves a web #again #with only two strands #i'm trying my best #shameless #shameless meta #just realized i used a screenshot of monica in HER WEDDING DRESS for this... feral person behavior actually #and fiona's “his wife” moment being when she tells him to never hit her kids again........

[echosluvr]

franks least favorite kids being ian and debbie, but them being monicas favorites while fiona and lip r the ones most liked by frank but most unnoticed by monica

#gen think monica likes ian and debs the most #cause they r not franks biological children #shameless #shameless us #debbie gallagher #ian gallagher #lip gallagher #fiona gallagher #monica gallagher #frank gallagher

[7x10mickey]

SHAMELESS CREATORS NETWORK SEPTEMBER THEME - COLORS || breakfast over the years

#a remake of one of my old gifsets but this time with ✨color✨ #my post #lizgifs #shamelessnet #shameless colors #shameless #shamelessedit #ian gallagher #lip gallagher #carl gallagher #liam gallagher #monica gallagher #fiona gallagher #jimmy steve #mickey milkovich #debbie gallagher #s1 #s2 #s3 #s4 #s5 #s7 #s8 #s10 #s11

[xelarale]

it still amazes me what an amazing job chloe webb did playing monica gallagher. she was amazing for that role

#shameless #monica gallagher #frank gallagher #shameless us #ian gallagher #lip gallagher #fiona gallagher #carl gallagher #debbie gallagher #liam gallagher

[deedala]

#in my giffing monica's best moments era i guess #MWAH SMOOCHES #shamelessedit #shameless us #shamelessnet #shameless #ian gallagher #fiona gallagher #carl gallagher #lip gallagher #debbie gallagher #frank gallagher #liam gallagher #monica monthhh #giffed🍂 #8x03 #s8

[m4ndysk4nkovich]

hot take, but i’m sick of y’all assuming that the rest of the gallagher kids had great childhoods because fiona stepped up. fiona wasn’t a good mom, she was a parent simply because of the circumstances and she kept them from dying and did it all, yes, but she was a kid. the other kids are so traumatized and y’all don’t get to act surprised when lip, ian, debbie, carl, and liam act a certain way because they weren’t raised any better. lip was raised by a five year old, ian was raised by a six year old, debbie was raised by a ten year old, carl was raised by a twelve year old, liam was raised by them all, but mostly a ninteen year old. i’ve talked about it before but fiona wasn’t really a good parent, and up until 3x07, that was ok! she didn’t need to be at first, she just needed to keep them all safe. and then she becomes legal guardian and she just stops. they were all traumatized and parentified and absolutely destroyed and they all symbolize roles in a dysfunctional household as well as different trauma responses. stop using fiona raising five kids as an excuse for everything because yes, sometimes it works, but sometimes it doesn’t. she traumatized them all too, and i don’t blame her for it because she was a kid too, but still. you can’t act like growing up without your mom, just your sister would be fucking fine. they’re all traumatized and fucked up.

#don’t attack me fiona stans #this is pro-fiona #just like- she isn’t an angel who has done no wrong #shameless #fiona gallagher #lip gallagher #ian gallagher #debbie gallagher #carl gallagher #liam gallagher shameless #shameless us #frank gallagher #monica gallagher #shameless meta #writing about the trauma responses rn