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jung-koook · 3 years

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I wish I was as strong as you when it comes to Bangtan. I'm made fun of a lot about me liking them or kpop or anything korean in general. Granted I work in a very macho-men masculine field and there is a lot of "pick me" attitude that makes even women hate anything deemed "feminine" so of course that includes kpop boys band... weirdly enough, nobody minds it when I listen or fangirl over girl groups, only boy groups... I've even been made fun of by my now ex-boyfriend, to the point I almost completely stopped listening to any boy group (it was during the LY era, I loved them since HYYH era, he bullied me out of listening to them during my first listen of the LY:Tear album so I completely missed the hype of that entire era and came back to them during MOTS era to tag along in a now much bigger fandom)

first of all, i'm really glad the stupid is your ex boyfrined. "the stupid" for me not say worse things about this toxic person i dont even know. i think you live in a country different from mine and thats why i dont know if I can try to give an opinion on everything youve told me. this thing about feminine and masculinity is really toxic. we all have a feminine and masculine side. it doesnt matter our gender. a man being feminine is considered weak but for me it is something completely different. a man who embraces his femininity without fear of being judged is the most beautiful thing in the world. like a woman embracing her masculine side. thats one of the things i love the most about bangtan, kpop and other artists being so famous all over the world. because i know they're not considered masculine for a lot of people but theyre still there. wearing makeup and doing other things that are considered feminine by stupid people. i'm so tired of this talk, i really dont have patience to listen to this kind of person anymore. i dont think i'm strong but i just have no patience for these stuff. honestly, i live in a country where its normal for adults to be fans of things. you will meet so many people here who are fans of something. before, people could make fun that i like bangtan because they're bangtan, not because i like a boygroup. things are totally different with me thats why i cant help you and i'm so sorry. i act in a very different way that many people think is wrong. but because i'm a woman and i have a lot of older people around me i always want to express my opinion. and disagreeing with the wrong things being said by older people. i cant agree with everything just because its being said by people superior. the way i act is not the way i tell other people to act because no longer care what people think of me.

just try to live for yourself and not for others. dont stop enjoying something because you think others will judge you for it. this is your life and thats why you should live it as you want and not as others want.

and, i'm so sorry for my bad english and for take long to reply you.

#reply #anonymous

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love4hobi · 3 years

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hi!! please feel free to not reply because i just wanted to let you know how glad i am that you spoke about that weverse article because i saw people use it basically just to criticize people who were dissatisfied with ptd

ptd was bad production and im glad the members’ names arent on it. how did we even go from music tailored to the members to shoehorning rapline into 10 seconds each.

but then again whenever i come across the “this doesnt sound like bangtan” point i feel like, bangtan has never had a consistent sound besides songs which work very well with the members themselves? the school trilogy hyyh wings ly mots and now this trilogy most of them sound nothing like eachother and each era there was always a good chunk of the fandom saying wow sellouts their sound has changed. feels like this time it’s just that hybe isnt even choosing music that truly fits them so they can reach wider audiences

and considering that their next comeback is probably going to be the collab they keep hinting at im not expecting a massive shift from the trajectory they are on. like come on hybe do your biggest group justice

hi! yea it is weird the way some people dont think critically about what they read in the weverse articles as if hybe doesnt make them say exactly what they want it to say and use it to try to further manipulate bts’ fanbase, to try to motivate them to stream or whatever it is they want. and i agree with you that bts music has always been changing and no two albums sound the same, but still theres something about all their work up until mots persona that just Feels like them. i dunno how to describe it its just like their recent stuff is so generic it could be anyones, but their older stuff is Theirs u kno. but yea for some reason they dont care about that anymore n its sad. n omg i completely forgot about the coldplay collab ughh not looking forward to that personally,, one reason being i think i already know what the line distribution will look like.. among other things… its like i get theyre clearly just in it for the money at this point, because even tho theyve gotten so big, under capitalism if ur not constantly growing ur failing,, but i truly honestly believe that they would be just as, if not more successful than they are now if they just let the boys do what they genuinely wanted to do. its like they havent stopped to think that maybe the western industry that they so desperately want the attention of would be a little more welcoming to them if they felt all that drive and passion and sincerity from just a few years back….

#mail #negativity #ill never understand why they switched up so drastically what they had been doing that got them so far for that final push for the grammy #they shouldve just kept doing what they were doing #or just.. anything other than what theyre doing now

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homieswithhades · 6 years

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BTS Analysis;

I don’t even know if I can call this an unpopular opinion bc I know some people agree with this, this is more of an in-depth analysis and personal experience I guess. It’s all about bts... and its lowkey a mess. I apologise in advance for any grammar/spelling errors, and times I may contradict myself a bit. This is something that REALLY bothers me. I just want to clarify that I love bts a lot, and that I was the HUGEST STAN for a good 5ish months. I still stan them but not as much due to the following reasons.

They just don’t make good music anymore. They love yourself era was when everything turned to shit. The actual core love yourself concept is very good but,,,, it was executed really poorly.

Dna was my first comeback with them, even though I’ve been listening to them since august 2016. But when actually became a stan in April 2017, I was obsessed with them. I was so damn excited for their September 2017 cb that my standards were through the roof. During the summer they changed the logo and did the beyond the scene thing,,, that’s the first thing that kind of irked me,,, and then they did the highlight reels in the style of I need u and they were redeemed.

When love yourself her started promotions and teasers, the bar was higher than the person who edited the DNA mv. The concept pics were so unfitting??? And just lacked that aesthetic element. I dint like them at all,,,, and the album cover was,,, below standard and looked rushed and lazily designed. But when serendipity came out I loved it (and I still do) so that fuelled my expectations for the music, even though they weren’t really that damaged by the odd first impression of the album. But then DNA came out and???? I was so disappointed?????? The beat was so annoying,,, the mv was so ugly,, the outfits were ugly,,, the lyrics were weird. In other words DNA was just a straight up flop... I hoped the rest of the album would have been better but,,,, it really, REALLY wasn’t.

After love yourself her I lost a lot of interest in bts. I missed their old music so much, and I was genuinely upset over it. I didn’t follow them as closely as I used to. I started to joke about them with my friends who lost interest in bts before me, but I still missed the old bts so much. The whole Ellen show thing, all the western media like Buzzfeed and Billboard making vids and articles about bts, all the rigged award shows, it pissed me off bc they were getting famous in the US bc of their worst album that didn’t display their full potential at all!!!!

Imma just go out and say it, armys are one of the most toxic fandoms ever.

Sometimes they’re just plain disrespectful and starting arguments where they don’t belong. I wouldn’t be able to count how many times I got attacked on Twitter, Instagram and even in the YouTube comments for expressing a different opinion. I remember all the fan wars and scandals. All the mobs at airports, All the times k-fans and i-fans tried to ruin another groups reputation (I’m not saying other fans never did this, bc it was always a thing, but it was never this extreme.) and the fuckin credit card thing oh my god,,,, a huge shitstorm caused by one fandom that lasts for years on end.

When bts got really mainstream, and gained more young western fans, they really ruined bts even further for me. Not to mention all the cringey tweets and memes, they hurt to look at. I absolutely don’t mind the “you got no jams” meme or the “ExCuSE mE” one, bc theyre just pure goof from the members, but when armys took it and overused it, that’s when it started to get annoying.

Some armys genuinely think bts is the only kpop group and that the world revolves around them. They comment “annyeonghaseyo any armys here???!!!” in the most unexpected places, I deadass saw someone on my overwatch team playing quick play with the name “army.FOREVER.saranghae” yall do realise it costs 10$ to change ur blizzard username, right?

Some armys also don’t respect other kpop groups in older gens (or any other ones for that matter) and assume that bts broke through into the western world themselves, which is complete bullshit, without groups like bigbang, shinee, tvxq, shinhwa, h.o.t, seo taiji boys etc etc (and other ones I don’t know of rip) kpop would have never gotten into the western world.

I never identified as an army bc I knew they were cringey bc of my friends who were HUGE armys back in 2016 and low-key koreaboos, and I knew what the bad stans looked like, so I never associated with them, and just called myself a bts stan. But the whole western situation just got so goddamn worse. I was sick of the Americans plaguing bts for me.

I also wanna say, I know not all armys are toxic and cringey. And I respect the level headed and chill Armys, yall are doing it right.

Moving on from Armys, I noticed a change in bts themselves. Namjoon changed his stage name, which absolutely sent me. I understand the meaning behind it but for some reason I felt that he did it to be fake deep? Or woke, and that he tried to completely cover-up his past self. The other members became cocky and were always draped in all that ugly Gucci and designer shit. I knew they were being forced to act the way they were acting, bc I know them well. I know how they really are. I know that they’re good people. I know they’re very humble deep down. They had that special connection with their fans before, that made u feel like u were good friends with them, and they absolutely ruined that. They’re being forced to put on this fake image to impress you filthy Americans.

I still stan bts atm. But I stan them for their old music and the people they truly are, not who they are portrayed to be. I can’t remember when euphoria came out, but I was kinda annoyed they tried to incorporate hyyh prologue into their shitty concept. And the song was also annoying and too edm-ish (like most of their new songs, idk why their style completely changed). Anyway, when tear came out, I was still kinda off the bandwagon, and I saw the concept pics and I was surprised at how nice they were. I saw the album cover, which was still ugly but better than the previous one. Then Singularity came out and!!!!! I loved it a lot. And then fake love happened. Oof is all I have to say. But some songs on the album, were actually good. Like the truth untold, paradise and OUTRO TEAR. Outro tear will remain the best song in the love yourself trilogy.

I also feel that I have to acknowledge that for all the love yourself albums only the intro and outro were genuinely up to standard (except outro answer).

Then came love yourself answer and idol. When I found out they were collabing with niki minaj I lost it. The concept pics were ugly once again, it was supposed to a controversial comeback???? And??? It wasn’t. I’m honestly glad it wasn’t promoted.

I noticed a repetitiveness with songs on answer. The beat was off with the singing. It was all just a mess. I also noticed the amount of godddamn auto tune in the songs (eg, mic drop, fake love, idol, airplane pt.2 and others I can’t remember atm) all of bts’s old songs all sound unique and different, and they all had this “emotional” element to them, to elaborate on that, compare dna, fake love or idol to save me, I need u or young forever. Notice how dna, fake love and idol convey absolutely no emotion through the lyrics or the actual beat of the song, unlike save me, I need u or young forever, that literally have more sentimental/emotional value in the few English lines that are in the song then all of the lyrics in their 3 new title tracks combined. I think this is my most difficult point to explain bc different songs make people feel different things, but it’s no doubt that you can tell the difference between a song that’s made to appeal to the masses with no unique properties to a song that coveys deep emotion (whatever the emotion may be) through the beat, the lyrics and the sound of the vocals/rapping alike. Listen to intro nevermind, and then listen to go go and just try to tell me that im wrong.

Alos, bts seem to have incorporated auto tune into songs, especially on their vocalists. bts don’t need the auto tune bc they’re good vocalists. Also, I have to mention, the vocal line isn’t the “best” per say. they’re good vocalists but it’s nothing special. Seokjin is the best vocalist period. Jungkook’s voice is generic, and in recent songs he has been straining it to reach the notes. Taehyungs voice isn’t even that special, it’s just deep, and it only really suits ballads and R&B songs like singularity or butterfly. Jimin has a very nice voice, but again, it’s nothing extraordinary. I feel that Jin has the most vocal potential, and he doesn’t get to show it, he has this really unique voice, idk what it is about it that just??? I really love it. But to clarify, I’m not hating on their voices or saying there untalented, because they’re very talented, but most of vocal line gets too much credit. As for rap line, I think they’re one of bts’s strongest points. Namjoons style is so smooth and just overall good? It amazes me that he rapped so well over the years with a breathing problem. Hoseok is a good rapper too, his sound is unique and his adlibs add to that uniqueness in older songs, as for Yoongi, I genuinely think he’s one of the best rappers in the industry, it’s not about the speed element, it’s about his flow, his power, his emotion, everything about his rap is just amazing.

Now I wanna talk about the member’s individual popularity. The maknae line has the most stans, and quite frankly, their stans are the worst. Treat all of the members with the same love and respect. Sure, it’s perfectly fine to have a bias but to disregard the other members is just plain wrong.

Bts are human beings, first and foremost, and then there musicians second. They’re being made into media puppets and clout bait, which they absolutely don’t deserve. They deserve recognition for their good stuff, which they have PLENTY of.

All in all, I’m sick of the American attention. It’s cringey, annoying and unnecessary. Sure, bts deserve recognition but not that much of it!!!!!!

And they were being recognised for the wrong thing for fucks sake!!!! I didn’t like ANY of the new songs on answer. I only liked epiphany. And then I found out it wasn’t written by any of the members. Rip. Fans will unfortunately blindly follow, stream and like whatever they put out like blind sheep because it’s accustomed to them, bighit KNOW that they’ll make more money in America. They know no matter what bts put out, no matter how shit it is, fans will like it and itll be revenue for the company. And all the mobile games and the bt21??? Was so unnecessary?? Capitalism amirite? Quantity over quality. It’s the sad truth.

Armys tend to mix up criticism and hate. Although there is a very thin line between the two, there is a difference. Criticism is the analysis and judgement of the merits and faults of something. Hate is blind and unjustified. Hate is disliking something for no reason, or for a very invalid reason. So for example, saying; “I don’t like this apple because its bitter and im not a huge fan of bitter things” is fine to say, unlike, “FUCK THIS APPLE BECAUSE ITS BITTER, FUCK ALL APPLES” you know? It’s okay to dislike a group. It’s NOT okay to hate on a group. No one’s is going to gain anything by hate.

So, all the youtubers are reacting to bts for clout, the fandom is a fucking mess, armys are attacking other fandoms for no reason, the members lost their TRUE humbleness and neglected their real personalities and they’ve put out 3 overall bad standard albums over the course of a whole ass year.

But I still have this spark of hope for them. Why? Because I love them, they have a special place in my heart. I know they have the potential to be amazing, unique and just overall good people with their own personalities, and truly special musical abilities.

After their tour I honestly, really hope the attention dies down and they put out another good, original, album like the hyyh albums, with nice concepts, good songs, and a pleasant to look at mv. It’s really all I ask for. The old bts. I know I’ll never get them back, and I absolutely cherish their old stuff, like the bulletproof logo, bangtan boys, rap monster, hyyh, young forever, no more dream, wings, them all goofing around together and not caring about their image, their wholesome interactions with fans, and all the songs and concepts and theories that never have, and never will be recognised.

On a final note, I realise I can’t blame bts themselves entirely for this. This stuff is only partially “their fault”. Its bighit’s fault, the army’s and haters fault and the media’s fault. But, America is to blame the most. That’s all for today.

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bangpdofficial · 6 years

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yeah i totally get why people werent the biggest fans of burn the stage but personally i thought it was really lovely?? lemme justify myself:

ive been a fan of bts’s music since run was released and i became really invested in them around wings era, needless to say ive loved these boys for a long time. i remember the initial honeymoon phase of me fallin for all those bangtan charm consisted mainly of me watching the hyyh concerts, seeing them perform songs like tomorrow and moving on, and it struck a chord in me that these pretty kpop idols understood. they get it, they know what its like to suffer, to have mental weakness, to feel hopeless for weeks on end and search for some kind of meaning in life. their sincerity resonated with me to the point where i was like...okay...these guys are my favorite forever now.

but time moves on, and its not that bts grow any less sincere, its just that theyve matured and grown out of their more vulnerable lyrics. too many eyes are on them now. theres less bangtan bombs, and the ones that do drop dont feel like a window into their personal life anymore. and of course im all for that, and of course i respect how important their privacy is and im so so so grateful that they still give us content year round. any perceived distance theyve put between themselves and the fans makes perfect sense because theyre older now, wiser now, feel less of a need to share everything, and theres that small added pressure of all their videos getting millions upon millions of views.

and yet bts themselves have repeatedly expressed how they dont want us to grow distant, and burn the stage is one of their ways of trying to reach out. its not a series for entertainment or drama or anything: its an open letter to their fans, gently reminding them of what kind of people they are, exposing themselves and stripping away their polished exteriors. burn the stage has the same kind of quiet intimacy that the bon voyage episodes have. bts are just a bunch of hardworking guys, coexisting, and there’s just a human quality about them that other idols sometimes fail to convey. and maybe other idols just dont have the luxury of being so sincere, but im glad that bts will always persist with their candidness. its easy to get swept away in their stardom, their glowing visages and daunting records, the sheer power and relevance they wield, but bts is always the first to remind the world that they don’t know why people like them so much. all they can do for now, they say, is keep working hard like they always have.

fuck youtube red tho

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