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class1akids · 3 years
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I don’t know if this is something to ask you, but recently I’ve been thinking about the alt!Bakugou theory and I still don’t know how to feel about it. Time travel loop is off the table and I would hate that kind of ending for Bakugou, but the second being a random look alike or an ancestor just for the sake of a parallel doesn’t make sense to me either. But with Bakuverse I feel like it can get super messy?
Like, if it’s the case Yoichi was never rescued and wasn’t able to pass OFA, that means it’s a timeline without All Might (because even if he passed it to someone it’s too random for it go through the same people) and there’s enough ambiguity in the way Third phrases the time they are from, “Those who were dominated couldn’t even tell they were dominated, and the leader was scared of that future” that it makes it seem like it could be both Yoichi’s time or the future where AFO managed to become the greatest demon lord, All Might’s fight against AFO was only 6 years ago so I don’t think it would be complete chaos, since we know none of the successors were able to defeat him, but maybe he could have turned out to be an-anti symbol of peace so that people never felt completely safe or something like that?
Leaving that aside, if this is the case alt!Bakugou, wouldn’t have to go through what our Bakugou did, which would explain why he still thinks in terms of winning and losing but unlike our Bakugou who felt like he was the reason for All Might’s fall, it turns out alt!Bakugou was the reason for OFA’s beginning, assuming he went back in time to stop AFO before he became as powerful — but what about the other people in that alternate timeline? If Nana never had OFA, assuming alt!Nana exists, would she have left Kotaro, would alt!Shigaraki exist? Would alt!Endeavor be as obsessed with becoming the strongest, would alt!Shouto be born at all or would alt!Touya become Dabi? Who else would be in the same timeline, we know All Might, Endeavor, Aizawa and many UA alumni, if alt!Masaru and alt!Mitsuki ended up together only to have alt!Bakugou with his dad’s hair color how much is only slightly different? Sorry for all the rambling, if it’s the case I doubt any of this would be elaborated on, and we might only get some bits about alt!Bakugou but all of this has been bothering me for the past couple of days and I wanted to write to you in case it’s something you’re also thinking about, since you’re usually pretty accurate with your speculations.
I agree that time travel and Bakugou-verse is super messy, but I also think it’s better alternative than Bakugou-ancestor or having simply a bait look-a-like. 
I haven’t read the scanlation - I’ll wait for the official to really try to see the dialogue. There are so many unknowns at this point that it’s simply too difficult to speculate. I think there are three basic scenarios:
1. OFA doesn’t exist in Baku-ni-chan’s timeline. Yoichi dies in prison without being able to transfer his quirk and the promise of OFA dies with him. In such a timeline, obviously there is no All Might, so Endeavor is whoever Endeavor would be without his jealousy. It’s almost certain that Shouto doesn’t even exist in that timeline. Maybe Deku doesn’t either or maybe he does but is a very different person. Baku-ni-chan’s group puts together a last resistance to defy AFO, they lose but they find a way to travel in time, Baku-ni-chan travels back in time to end AFO at the source, before he gets too strong. But runs into Yoichi instead, saves him, makes him part of the plan - maybe the axis of their plan to make a trap for AFO. It fails, Yoichi dies, but passes the quirk to Baku-ni-chan intuitively understanding what his quirk is for, and Baku-ni-chan passes it to Third with the instruction to find someone who can cultivate it. 
2. OFA exists in Baku-ni-chan’s timeline, but it never grew strong enough. In such a timeline, All Might could very well exists, but by the time things get to whoever the 9th is (Deku, Mirio or the Leader) things have gone downhill and AFO took control. Heroes lose, Baku-ni-chan travels back to the source with a purpose to make OFA stronger by putting two 9th-generation quirks into it. 
3. In Baku-ni-chan’s timeline AFO has got his hands on OFA, because Yoichi broke and it has become a weapon of evil, so Baku-ni-chan goes back in time to prevent OFA being passed on and to kill Yoichi. Except, when he finds him, he realizes that Yoichi is fundamentally good and heroic and maybe realizes that in a different future, OFA could be a weapon for the heroes. 
In the end, in all three scenarios, it would be an alternate timeline, so Baku-ni-chan (who is also older) would look slightly different, may even have a slightly different quirk, wouldn’t have the same friends, because the timeline would play out differently. Deku maybe wouldn’t exist there or would be a kid long-forgotten, one of the stepping stones Baku-ni-chan used to achieve victory. Which could very well explain why they don’t recognize each other. 
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makeste · 3 years
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I think the thing that make me think that the 2nd user Is not an alternative bakugou is that they don't show Deku having any reaction to him looking like bakugou which make me thing is not mean to being that deep.
ah, but people made the exact same argument about Dabi not being Touya. “if it really is him then why didn’t Endeavor recognize him?”, etc. the answer of course was that it simply never occurred to Endeavor that Dabi -- a black-haired adult villain who was very much alive -- could possibly be Touya, his white-haired son who wanted nothing more than to be a hero, and whom he last saw as a child and believed was dead.
similarly, in Izuku’s mind, Kacchan is a blond sixteen-year-old who is very much alive, as opposed to an adult brunet ghost whose soul is trapped in a mystical quirk realm. to me it’s very believable he wouldn’t immediately notice the similarities, simply because he has no reason to be looking for them. aside from that, it doesn’t necessarily look like the Second has actually shared his name or the details of his quirk with Deku yet either, and we’ve yet to see Deku actually look at his face. so it could be that he hasn’t really gotten a close look at him yet (which could continue to be the case for some time if Katsuki B. is anywhere near as bad at playing nice with Deku as his counterpart, lol). so this may simply be a case of “stay tuned”, as for all we know in 311 Deku might just suddenly be all “HEY HOLY SHIT WAIT A SECOND” lol.
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makeste · 3 years
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my first thought when i read the chapter was that number 2 might be bakugo's ancestor but i like the alt timeline theory a lot better lol
this is the other likely possibility imo. I think we’ve passed the point of Horikoshi being able to explain all these similarities away as coincidence. there’s no way he just accidentally designed a character who (1) looks almost exactly like Bakugou, (2) has a hero costume eerily similar to Bakugou’s, complete with gauntlets, (3) has a gruff, aggressive personality like Bakugou, and even (4) shares specific little behaviors and mannerisms like kicking down doors and being focused on victory. on top of that, the slow and painstaking way he’s revealed this character in bits and pieces, only now showing us his face after all this time, and even now still withholding his name and his quirk, make it even less likely that this is just some incidental character imo. there’s been way too much deliberate build-up there.
as far as I can see there are three possible explanations here.
1) Horikoshi is just deliberately trolling us for the lulz. he’s fully aware of the similarities to Kacchan (because it’s impossible for him not to be), and just enjoys seeing what theories fandom will spew out next. this is certainly possible, but it would sure be a very different side of Horikoshi than we’ve ever seen in the past lol.
2) the ancestor/reincarnation theory is true. again, this is very possible as well, and would explain the similarities between Bakugou and the Second. however, in my view, every single argument that people make against time travel -- it would come out of nowhere, it lacks a clear narrative purpose, it would feel out of place with the canon that’s been established thus far, etc. -- applies to the ancestor theory as well. my biggest qualm with the ancestor theory is that it’s far more spiritual than any of the other story elements we’ve gotten thus far. even the Vestiges, who basically are souls as far as I’m concerned, are technically explained away in the story as being part of the original quirk users’ “quirk factors” or whatever. like, there was some whole long-winded explanation involving anecdotes about organ donors and shit. Horikoshi really tried to make it as sciency as possible, even though souls/spirits would have been a much simpler explanation. so for me, the ancestor theory feels a bit more farfetched just because it feels like more of a departure from all that. again, that certainly doesn’t rule it out, though.
and lastly, 3) Bakuverse. AU Bakugou time traveling from a doomed timeline where AFO won. it also explains the similarities between him and the Katsuki we know, and explains the differences as well. it’s not without its flaws of course, but imo out of these three explanations, this is the one that’s most keeping in line with what Horikoshi has given us so far. that doesn’t mean it’ll actually happen, but basically this is my reasoning. every time I go over it all in my head this is what I keep coming back to. we’ll see, though!
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makeste · 3 years
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out of nowhere i had the thought: wait, 3 was subjected to such mystery, but he APPARENTLY looks like no one in particular, huh? but what if he IS someone we know. just. the version we know looks totally different. Who do we know is kind of fucked up appearance-wise?
this is how i came up with "what if 3 is shimura tenko" which is ludicrous but i love it and now i don't know what to do.
I’ve been wondering this for a while tbh but didn’t want to add fuel to the fire lol. it’s hard enough convincing people that Two might be an alt!Bakugou without adding bonus theory DLC about Three secretly being Shinsou or Tomura or someone. but I’m not gonna lie, the thought has definitely crossed my mind.
I was actually thinking in the latest chapter that his eyes reminded me a bit of Aizawa.
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but I don’t want anyone to read too much into that lol. it’s literally just a crazy thought that popped into my head. I think he most likely is just Some Guy (and his identity is only being kept a mystery to lampshade the fact that Horikoshi is also hiding Bakugou’s), but it’s entertaining to speculate.
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makeste · 3 years
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Why would an au bakugou have different hair and eye color? Wouldn’t he be a different person then?
no, just the same person with slightly different chromosomes. basically, it’s an alternate universe with more than 200 years’ worth of the butterfly effect in play, so it’s only natural that there are going to be a lot of changes. one thing plays out slightly differently in that universe, and it leads to another thing happening in an entirely different way, and each change spawns a brand new ripple effect of even more changes. if anything, one might expect the two Bakugous to be even more different than they already are. but because it’s an AU that’s being carefully guided and directed by the author’s hand, it can be as different or similar as Horikoshi desires at the end of the day.
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exactly, lol. for anyone who’s seen the Spider-Man film I stole this theory’s name from, you know that Peter B. Parker has brown hair while the Peter Parker from Miles’ universe is a blond. so it’s not like it’s a new concept for AUs or anything. and as this second anon points out, Masaru does have brown hair so it’s definitely within the realm of physical possibility without being a huge leap.
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makeste · 3 years
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As much as I'd like to believe Bakugo is still relevant to the central plot, I can't make myself believe your theory. The resemblance isn't new - Mirko looks like him too, and has his mannerisms, personality traits and even some philosophy, so. Horikoshi just does that sometimes with a number of characters. But more importantly, what would be the narrative purpose of 2 being alt Baku? Bc I don't see any. It would even take away from Bakugo's own narrative. This would contribute nothing.
All the things you mentioned are things that Bakugo could do himself, if Horikoshi wants to include him in the plot, so why create and introduce convoluted alternate universe concepts to accomplish something like that? I was enthusiastic about the idea of 2 being Bakugo somehow, but seeing he had an entirely individual personal history, I can't see it. I wish he had kept the Heroes Rising concept. And I've given up on Bakugo being relevant to the OFA plot/main action. It seems he's just an aside
not saying this view isn’t valid, anon, but the problem is that “this theory wouldn’t contribute anything of value to the narrative” is a completely subjective statement, even if it’s not phrased like one. certain story arcs might resonate with other people and their specific tastes and experiences, even if they don’t resonate with you. you can’t just declare a particular story or concept to be universally devoid of all merit and expect everyone to agree just like that.
and in addition to that, there’s also the problem of trying to argue something at the outset of the arc that you can’t possibly know for sure until the arc is actually over. there isn’t really any way for me to debate whether this narrative will serve a purpose or not, because there’s nothing I can point to to say “well this scene added depth to this” and so forth. this is a hypothetical theory which we don’t yet know the details of if it does prove to be true. we have no idea how Deku will react if he finds out. we have no idea how Bakugou will react, or whether he’ll be involved. maybe there’s some key detail we don’t know about which will explain why a development like this is necessary. point is, it’s way too soon imo to pass any sort of judgment regarding this.
on the other hand, and lastly, one thing I can dispute is the idea that Bakugou is done being relevant to the plot from here on out lol. because in this case there are many bits and pieces of evidence I can point to that say otherwise. but that’ll take some time to put together, so I’ll save it for another post. for now I’ll just say that I disagree and leave it at that, but thank you for the ask.
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makeste · 3 years
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hey makese :) loved the into the bakuverse meta. personally i am between ALT!Baku and reincarnation. gotta ask though: "leader": doesn't the third use "leader" to describe the second? the paneling(?) implies it. As well as the fact that the second seemed to be in charge when they barged into the vault and later when he talked to deku. it would also be another bkg-parallel since bkg is (described as) a leader...
you’re absolutely right anon, and a few other people have pointed this out to me as well lol I’m just dumb. while it’s still technically possible that “Leader” is a different character entirely, it’s much more likely that the Third was referring to the Second there, especially since that line is when we finally cut to Two’s face for the first time.
I agree with you though that if anything it would only strengthen the theory, since Katsuki B. likely shares his counterpart’s desire to be the greatest, strongest hero. it’s possible that in his universe he did succeed at becoming the number one, which would explain why he was the one to take on the responsibility of trying to carry out whatever insane plot they hatched to travel back in time and undo AFO’s reign of terror.
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makeste · 3 years
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How does Bakugo go back in time? Why change his hair color? Many characters now know the existence of OFA and Bakugo has yet to go back in time yet, which means there’s even less reason for him to be the only candidate. Why would Aiazawa or the other teachers allow a 16 year old to back in time to the darkest age of quirks and abandon his future and family? Why would the mom agree to never see her son again when there’s other candidates? How come Deku doesn’t reconcile his voice?
again, just a friendly reminder here that the "into the Bakuverse" theory is NOT bak-u-go. please read this post, anon, literally all of these questions are addressed there.
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class1akids · 3 years
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have you noticed that bakugo’s new explosions look like how the OFA sparks look like? looking at that vol 31 cover and the explosive cluster the latest chapter plus the last page on chapter 304, they look the same do you think hori planned that intentionally or it’s just not connected at all
Yes, I have.
I actually thought that it was interesting that the "OFA-light" in Deku's narrative looks different
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than in All Might's.
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The shape in Deku's vision is the same as the shape of Bakugou's new explosion.
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In my opinion, it's deliberate.
I think the first time we see the predecessors symbolized with that shape of light is in Chapter 286 (so right after Bakugou's sacrifice play and when he awakened that new explosion) and when Deku tries to save Tomura. The timing feels like it's no coincidence.
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So I think one possible explanation is that Nii-chan has a strong connection to Bakugou (e.g. Bakuverse theory)
Another is that it is somehow symbolic - and shows that Deku's path will be different from All Might, the key to his victory will be uniting past and present allies and that even if he's the last holder of OFA, there can be others carrying the same legacy.
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makeste · 3 years
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So hear me out, what if, and this is pretty much pure crack speculation, but what if the First (can't remember his name rn) managed to transfer his powers almost accidentally.
Sidenote, this employs the thought that the second isn't Bakugo, though it technically could work if it was him, so you could employ the thought, but idk if (specificallly) you would want to.
So like, here's the deal:
•We know all of the previous OFA users have died in battle (aside from the Fourth and All Might thus far), so the First definitely died fighting.
•We know OFA is only passed when you will it to pass along
•We know there needs to be a consumption of DNA.
•We don't know how the fuck they came to this conclusion. Thus my theory applies.
Ahem. First user is dying after fighting AFO. The Second and Third are obviously around during that, and manages to get the First user out somewhere after AFO leaves, and they get to talk to him as he's dying. He expresses regret over not being able to stop his brother, and feels as if his power should be the key, wishing he could at the very least pass it to the Second guy to give him a better chance.
And this is where the theory gets unlikely: now obviously the other two guys are all emotional and stuff, you know the drill, and in this scenario the Second kisses the First, transferring the quirk through saliva. And when it manifests, the Third and the Second are able to figure out what happened.
Now will this ever be the case? No. Is it a fun and gay way to explain things? Yes. Can I think of another way to figure out how they discovered the ability to pass along quirks? Nope. Is there certainly gonna be a totally different reason eventually explained? Probably.
All that being said, until then I'm sticking with my doomed headcanon.
(Just sent the ask with the first transfer theory)
Also, I specified you because you're a big BakuDeku shipper, and idk if you'd like that theory if you thought that guy was Bakugo. You know?
I knew as soon as I read the first paragraph that this was leading into the rightfully-popular "First and Second made out" theory lol.
anyways anon, while you're correct that I do still think Into the Bakuverse is happening (hence why we still haven't seen Deku use the Second's quirk, or seen any interactions between them), I do enjoy this theory as an alternative (even though I still think it leaves a few holes in its wake, such as the fact that by the time the quirk made its way down to Shino they had figured out additional stuff about it like the fact that it could be powered up), and I fully support all First-and-Second-made-out theories just in general. like, we can probably just go ahead and say that part of it is canon anyway lol. at least in my book.
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class1akids · 3 years
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The alternate bakugou/2 plot will either fit in all of the fast paced ridiculousness or it’s going to be something else. What are you thinking for 2’s quirk and story?
I've given up on the alt!Bakugou theory as much fun as the Bakuverse would have been.
So now I think that Nii-Chan's backstory will be something to surpass by doing better than he did.
So far, the only thing we know of him is that he gathered allies, sacrificed lives on the way and still lost to AFO. I'm guessing, given Bakugou's growth and his ideal of "perfect victory with no casualties", we'll see him do better than the second vestige.
There is also that big Symbolic Hand-Hold between Yoichi and Nii-chan, that started this whole OFA business. (I think the ending may be closing the loop with Deku and Tomura). But, in the manga also the Bakudeku handhold hasn't happened and I think we all agree this still needs to be their endgame.
So yeah, basically I expect Nii-chan to play into Bakugou's story in two ways:
1. - Bakugou surpassing him in the sense of not allowing any sacrifice by allies as he tries to get a team to AFO/find Deku
2. - Have some kind of recreation of the 1st-2nd handhold scene with BKDK, bringing a weakened/battered Deku back into action.
As for his quirk; the good news is that I think it's unlikely to be explosion - the gauntlets being a red herring. The bad news - seeing SnS's quirk - it could be pretty much any type of god-mode asspull.
Although, thinking about how the 3rd escaped from that carnage, ensuring OFA survives, it could also be some kind of quirk that can give someone a huge boost at the cost of the quirkholder. We shall see.
It's suspicious that we haven't seen it in action yet. So either:
(a) it's very complicated / hard to control, in which case Deku won't learn it in 2 days,
(b) or it's a one-trick / very situational quirk which will be perfect to exploit a weakness of ShigarAFO
(c) it's something with a very serious drawback, that could be a do-or-die thing.
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class1akids · 3 years
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BNHA 310 - Thoughts
So there is hand-porn in this one, as OFA is literally born from 1st and 2nd having a union with no straight explanation.
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We also see 2nd’s face, who is almost-Kacchan, like it’s fucking eerie, and my money for now remains on Bakuverse - aka this being a Bakugou from an alternate timeline, which is a theory I’ve been thinking about for a few weeks now.
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Third is also revealed, but he doesn’t really look like anyone we know - so he’s probably friends of older, hot, scarred Bakugou in their timeline. 
Anyways, we learn some crucial information - that these two lived through some of the worst times (probably an era where AFO won - aka Doomed timeline) and tried to kill AFO, using whatever it takes and sacrificing lives in the process. They don’t seem to be too keen on Deku’s “let’s save Shiggy” thing, but 1st flirts with them and calls them my heroes  😉😉😉🥰🥰🥰 and that’s that? I thought Deku will have to somehow fight for these two, but I guess not. The way the 7-quirk OFA plot is handled really leaves me exasperated. 
Anyways, OFA is born when these two break into the place First (Yoichi) is held at and rescue him, proving that no matter the timeline, Bakugou has always had a heart beneath all the bark.
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There is also a whole first part about mutant discrimination and a shark lady, and All Might running after Deku with bento boxes, but to me these feel totally manipulative moments to manufacture hype, so I ain’t gonna comment on them. (Also, I’m just super-pissed we are using throwaway characters for this instead of you know, Tokoyami or Shoji...)
There is certainly a glimpse into Deku who thinks that he needs to isolate himself from everyone, and maybe some sadness in All Might for the life he’s pushed Deku into. 
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Also Deku is now all about fixing this all alone. So we are certainly on an arc of Deku = All Might 2.0. Whether it’s a good thing or a bad thing, only time will tell. 
In my book, it’s a bad thing. I hope the story will think so too. 
Oh, this is either a cheeky foreshadowing that Iida is also about to become even more irrelevant or just a general warning that the pacing will continue to suck...
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Neither option is too appealing...
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class1akids · 3 years
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The red semblance between second and Bakugo is astonishing, and even more so in the last panel… do you think they might be related to each other ? As an ancestor ?
It's possible, but I prefer the Bakuverse Theory to the ancestor one.
The manga has been heavily referencing Spiderman, so it's possible that Nii-chan is Kacchan from a different timeline. I think it would be more interesting for the narrative than a simple Bakugou-ancestor.
Otherwise, he may be just a narrative parallel to Kacchan.
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makeste · 3 years
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as someone who says that bakugou gets stuck in the past i base it on the 4th saying in chapter 304 that others (aside from him and all might) haven't had OFA for long and died in battle. which would mean that bakugou had to as well unless of course the 4th didn't literally mean everyone (or it's a mistranslation?). and he'd have to grow up to be adult somehow before he got imprinted in OFA, either in the past or in the present and it's just a much older bakugou who travels back.
you are absolutely correct, the First did say that in chapter 304. in my defense, I’m pretty sure that was the first time it was actually confirmed (as opposed to speculated) that all of the past users had died in battle. but it has been confirmed now, assuming that the First is correct which I’ll assume he is.
what are your thoughts on the “Into the Bakuverse” variant of the bak-u-go theory, where instead of Our Bakugou traveling back in time and dying, it’s instead Bakugou B. Katsuki from an alternate, doomed timeline where AFO won? imo it would explain a lot (for instance the slight differences in his hair, gauntlets, etc.), and would resolve a lot of the main objections people have to the traditional bak-u-go theory, the biggest one being that Our Bakugou would not have to travel back in time at all and would be just fine. I’ve been mildly obsessed with this theory since the ancient time of yesterday, lol, so just curious.
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