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littlesmartart · 3 years

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lots of people responded to my 3zun enneagram post saying they’d be interested in seeing more, so I made a sort of masterpost of the main characters! I am working on a post with a bunch of ships so watch this space for them. all future posts on this will be tagged #untamedenneagram. I stuck with the main adult characters because it’s pointless to try and type a character if you don’t know enough about them, and I have specifically avoided the Juniors, because enneagram is not recommended for anyone that young; kids and teenagers are still growing up and figuring out who they are, which means that naturally their personalities are likely to change as they mature. if people are really desperate to see the Juniors then I could maybe do a post where I make reeeeaal vague estimations on what their adult selves might be typed as.

disclaimer: these are just my opinions based on my interpretations of the characters - if you disagree, feel free to make your own post discussing your personal thoughts, but I am not in ANY way interested in getting into “ “ discourse ” ” about any of this :) also please remember, if you’re applying any of this to yourself, that whilst enneagram can be used as a fun tool for healthy self-reflection, every person is unique and we don’t always perfectly fit in boxes; take from this what is helpful and try not to get too hung up on it.

all type descriptions are taken from here. under the cut you can find the characters arranged by type with my thoughts on how they differ, as well as what I think their wings would be. MAYBE one day I’ll make something about subtypes, but I’ll need to do waaay more research 😵 if you have any thoughts/questions about my choices here, feel free to drop me an ask!

Wangji was a really clear and obvious choice as a 1 for me, as was Song Lan, as they both have a fiercely strong sense of morality and their duty within the moral structure to fix what is ‘wrong’, but they are also somewhat distant and reserved. Jin Zixuan is a choice some may disagree with, as many people’s sole impression of him is how he treated Yanli as a teen, however I argue that if you look at what we see of him over his short life as a whole, and look at his actions outside of those relationships (defending Mianmian against his own sect brothers, coming back to rescue Wangji and WWX with Jiang Cheng, leading a force in the Sunshot Campaign despite his father’s reluctance to get involved, defending a servant girl when he believed Yanli - a gentry woman - had stolen credit from her, personally going to de-escalate WWX’s fight with Jin Zixun) we do see a man who, whist being arrogant and somewhat stand-offish, does clearly have a strong moral code which he does consistently act in accordance to.

In terms of wings, I would say that Wangji and Song Lan are both 1wing2 - the empathetic 2 wing brings a need to be personally involved in righting wrongs and helping people, which is where you get the Distant Snow And Cold Frost, famous saviour of the common folk, and Hanguang-jun, who goes where the chaos is. I would say that Jin Zixuan is a 1wing9, who are more distant and measured than 2 wings, and are less uncompromising in their application of morality - which is how you get Jin Zixuan who is unabashedly giving his opinion about correct behaviour in Gusu and during the war, but in Koi Tower is far more reserved and clearly concerned about rocking the boat with his father.

Yanli and Xingchen were very very obvious as type 2 for me - it’s that consistent altruism and self-sacrifice, as well as the genuine desire to serve others whilst neglecting their own needs. I honestly think it’s a shame that they’re both presented so angelically within the narrative because it would be very interesting to see some of the darker side of the type 2, with that sense of needing to be needed, and even possessiveness. Also very interesting that both these 2s have strong significant relationships with type 1s (Zixuan and Song Lan) - a healthy combination of 1&2 can often be something of a “power couple”, with their combined genuine desires to bring justice and love and positive change to their community, and it perhaps says something about the narrative of the untamed in a meta way that both of these couples are tragically divided before they can reach their powerful potential.

I would say that Xingchen is a 2wing1 - his desire to help people is part of a moral duty for him, and the 1 wing gives him a strong drive to not only look after individuals but also to alleviate suffering in society as a whole. Yanli I think is a 2wing3 - they have the social and charismatic aspect of the 3, and care for people through building relationships and connections with the people around them in a more personal way.

Wow, JGY could not be any more obviously a 3! He is status-conscious, charming, ambitious, strives to be competent at everything he does, and obviously his core fear is to do with what he is worth - either that he will never have his worth acknowledged, or, later in the narrative, that everything he has done will be exposed and he will return to being worthless and hated. He is also very good at adapting himself to whatever - or whoever - he needs to be in order to survive, and a classic issue for unhealthy type 3s is getting so absorbed in their personas that they lose track of who they really are and what they really feel, at their core, which I think is something we see with JGY as he begins to break down.

I would say that JGY is a 3wing2 - a lot of his fear of failure is focused on his relationships (the obsession with his mother’s wish for him to be acknowledged, the years of striving for his father’s love, how terribly horribly personal getting kicked out of the Unclean Realm was for him, how much he hid from Xichen - someone who genuinely would have helped him - out of a fear that he would be unwanted and unloved if he told the truth) but also he has a huge capacity for love and loyalty and a real drive to take care of the people he loves that feels very 2.

So I only wanted to type main characters, because you can’t type someone if you can’t get a really good hold on their personality and motivations (SORRY QIN SU ;_;) which may make my choice of including Mo Xuanyu strange, but a. his actions LITERALLY create most of the plot and really give a strong sense of who he was, and b. I am a type 4 myself and I looked at him like “oh shit, I know this kid”. Sadly we only hear about Xuanyu when he’s at his worst - deep in depression, feeling trapped and vengeful enough to resurrect a serial killer to murder his entire family - but there seems to be a huge depth and weight to his emotions that is very archetypal of a 4, he seems to have a strong tendency to make decisions based on his emotional reactions, and his notorious fashion choices (mask, ghost makeup) are him expressing his inward emotional state and bold individuality in an outward way - again, very 4.

I don’t know if we see enough of his personality to really fully know what wing he would have, but I would take a guess that he’s a 4wing3, given that he seems to have a flair for the outwardly dramatic more than you would expect from a more introspective and reserved 4wing5.

Again, it may seem odd to have such a minor character included when I was focusing on the main cast, but I really wanted to do a full set of the types so I was really searching for a 5, and as SOON as I thought of Su She, it was so OBVIOUS that was him. Regardless of how the fandom feels about him, it is impossible to deny that he is a very intelligent and innovative man who consistently strives to learn and grapple with complex new ideas (my dude can teleport!!! TELEPORT!!! can ~ HANGUANG-JUN ~ teleport hmm???? DIDN’T THINK SO.) and whose overarching motivation seems to be a desire to gain more magical knowledge so that he can never be left vulnerable and humiliated again.

Like Mo Xuanyu, I’m not certain we see enough of him to fully know what wing he would be, but I would guess at 5wing6, given his intense work ethic, how strongly he rejects the authority of the Lans once they (in his mind) abandon him, and how desperately loyal he is to JGY right up until his death.

I felt pretty strongly about Wen Qing being a 6 from the start, but I spent quite a while debating over whether Wei Wuxian should actually be a 7. I eventually settled on 6 because those traits - hard-working, loyal, problem-solving, defiant and rebellious to champion justice and protect the vulnerable, though defensive, evasive and anxious when under stress - seemed more at the core of his character. If you remove them, you remove who he really is. I think the reason Wei Wuxian and Wen Qing are able to bond so strongly is because they both recognise their own essential traits in each other.

The real difference you see between these two however is, I think, strongly influenced by their wings - Wei Wuxian is a 6wing7, so when things are good he is optimistic and fun-loving and looking for new and fresh experiences. Wen Qing on the other hand is a 6wing5, with that 5 motivation to seek out knowledge and learn all she can in order to protect herself and those around her. They both share the core 6 fear of not having a place where they can belong and feel safe.

Both Huaisang and Xue Yang were clear and easy to type as 7s - Xue Yang actually says a line that I think could possibly be the motto for type 7, “I don’t fear death, I fear boredom”. Huaisang definitely plays up the “scattered and undisciplined” aspect for his Headshaker persona, and the spontaneous and playful 7 traits that he and Wei Wuxian share are where they are able to bond at Cloud Recesses. A classic 7 coping mechanism is to deal with - or rather, not deal with - unpleasant situations and emotions by simply avoiding or ignoring them, which you see with Huaisang being the Headshaker (“I don’t know! Don’t ask me!” is a pretty good buffer for anything he doesn’t want to deal with) and with Xue Yang, when he seems to genuinely believe that he can just live in perpetual domestic bliss in Yi City with no consequences so long as XXC never finds out his name.

The core differences between Huaisang and Xue Yang as type 7s (setting aside the larger influences of class and privilege and purely examining their personalities) I think come from their wings, which you can mainly see when things go wrong for both of them; I would say Xue Yang is a 7wing8, as when shit hits the fan for him, he becomes furious and destructive to hide his weakness, like a very unhealthy 8. Huaisang I think is more a 7wing6, as when things go bad for him he uses his Headshaker persona as a shield but underneath he is anxious, suspicious, and emotionally isolated, secretly testing everyone around him for true loyalty, much like an unhealthy 6.

I try to avoid the stereotype of “anyone with Big Anger Issues is type 8″ but, uh, with Mingjue and Jiang Cheng the shoe really does fit. They both really rise to the occasion when forced to take on the mantle of leader by being assertive, decisive and resourceful, but they both hide behind their violent and destructive tempers to avoid addressing issues and what they are at fault for in the breakdown of their relationships.

As with a lot of these characters, I think their essential differences come out when you look at their wing-influenced traits. Mingjue is a type 8wing7, which may seem like a strange choice, but I think his 7 aspects come out in his very avoidant approach to morality - Good is Good and Bad is Bad and if you’re Bad then you should be Punished and if anything contradicts with that and makes me uncomfortable well I Simply Do Not See It. Jiang Cheng is a type 8wing9; unlike Mingjue, who thrives on confrontation and is unafraid to wear his emotions on his sleeve, Jiang Cheng clearly has greater insecurities due to his trauma and social position as a young sect leader, so tends towards whichever reaction will best hide his vulnerability, be that an explosion of temper or quietly keeping his head down and ceding political ground. The basic desire of a 9 is peace of mind and harmony, and we see that influence in Jiang Cheng when he dreams of his family being happy at Lotus Pier.

I think both Xichen and Wen Ning and fairly typical 9s; calm, affable and peaceable, preferring to avoid conflict and being far more concerned with hearing the opinions of the people around them than voicing their own. Xichen’s hatred of conflict is pretty clear in his position within 3zun, as he tries to mediate and bring his sworn brothers back together, though whilst it is initially noble, his intentions regarding conflict do lean more towards avoidance than resolution, so ultimately they are long-term unsuccessful.

I think there’s something interesting and kind of sad about a conflict-avoidant type 9 becoming the Yiling Patriarch’s attack dog, but I do think that is reflected in him being a 9wing8 - the Ghost General is so powerful because he’s SO FULL OF ANGER, and Wen Ning also has a strong drive for personal justice, as well as acting as a leader in during the war (he tells WWX that he has people who will help him smuggle the Jiang parent bodies out of Lotus Pier, and that would require a HUGE amount of loyalty, so presumably he’s a pretty good leader!) In comparison, the (slightly) more detached and objective Xichen I see as a 9wing1; the 1 attitude is where he bonds with Wangji, both having that very Lan attitude of “if you see a moral problem it is your duty to fix it”, and the times we actually see Xichen choose conflict are when he is standing up for justice, his morals, and people he perceives as wronged.

#untamedenneagram #fuuuckin hell I am NOT tagging everyone lmao #the untamed

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inessencedevided · 4 years

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The Untamed, episode 39 - watching notes

How did this show manage to make me care for these characters in about one episode???

Xue Yang is 100 kinds of creepy

How does he disappear like that? That's a power we haven't seen on this show yet

This whole revenge plot is waaay too convoluted to be only about revenge

Ohoh ... this silence is too ominous

I love how A-Qing still has her rebellious streak, even in death

This is too easy ... he won't die just like this, right?

Holy shit his arm!! 😱😱😱

Um ... sorry but, it's really obvious that the actor just has his arm tugged under his clothes 😅

Whaaaaaaaat???

He's not the guy under the mask???

Who???

Who is that and why does he want the stygian tiger amulet???

I was so sure that that was him

Lan and Jin sword style? I'm wreaking my brain right now who has a strong connection to both, but I'm coming up empty

Oh no, a qing :'(

This is such a brilliant shot! Goosebumps! All over!

And wow

All the awards for song lan's actor 😥

I am ... fascinated by Xue Yang's backstory. Like ... the guy is a goddamn sociopath

With the parallels of his backstory to wwx it's almost like he's wwx without his good heart 😥

So ... all of this is a direct consequence of what happened when they met them in the flashback?

But this isn't how "human affairs" should go or even normally do! Obviously, xue Yang isn't a reliable narrator at all, but all I want to do is wrap Xiao Xingchen in my arms and tell him that not all his good faith in humanity was misplaced 💔

"Stupid, naive, dumb idiots like you, who think the world is a better place just because they did something good!"

But it is!!!! The world on it's own, without humans, isn't inherently good or evil! It is what it is. Good or evil, that's up to us! In the face of the endless indifference of the universe, every act of kindness tips the scale towards a better world!

(Sorry, my atheism is showing)

And that's why I will always have infinitely more respect for the Xiao Xingchens of the world than the cruel and bitter Xue Yangs.

Oh fuck no

No, this will break him, won't it? 😰

Oh no 😭😭😭😭

Oh no

Honey...

"Say something..."

Oh god

Does this show want to set some kind of record for must characters severely traumatised in 50 episodes???

Noooo

Fuck

When I wrote that I hadn't seen yet ...

He ... killed himself

I am crying so hard right now and I feel like I haven't even really processed the full tragedy of this arc yet

What is Xue Yang doing?

This is so weird. He honestly looks at Xiao Xingchen like he is a doting husband waiting for him to come home

Ohhh

And now it makes sense that he wanted wwx to restore his soul

And why his soul didn't want to be restored ... because he killed himself. He doesn't want to come back 😥

The way this looks ... that can't be an accident

So NOW he's grieving. Because he can't bring Xiao Xingchen back, can't control him. Xue Yang has such a screwed psychy, it's fascinating ... in a very disturbing way

Wow, he's damaged ...

Oh no ... the candy ... THE CANDY!!!

Holy shit ... what even am I supposed to feel right now? 😨😨😨

Trying to parse that out, I feel like (and this is just my first impressionof thus and my very raw thoughts)... Xiao Xingchen and his kindness they did touch Xue Yang. But he was ill-equipped to deal with whatever feelings they stirred in him, because he had already been so twisted by the world and his own actions. And so he expressed his love the same way he expressed everything: with obsession and the desire to posses and control.

Honestly, I need some more time to really process this ...

They buried A Qing 😭

Oh, Lan Jingyi. I didn't know you had it in you 💚💚💚

Oh god, the Juniors are ALL so soft! 😭

Oh god I want to know so badly. What did Lan Wangji want to say??? "Fortunately... this wasn't us" "Fortunately... you came back to me"? 😭

Omg ... this is a parallel right? From behind they might as well be song lan and Xiao Xingchen!

Oh song lan 💔

The way he takes the pouch 🥺

And Lan Wangji's look. Maybe I'm imagining too much into this but ... if that's not a man intimately aware of what he's going through

"Roam the world. Exorcise evil beings alongside Xingchen."

I can't guys, I'm crying so hard right now 💔💔💔

Holy shit Lan Wangji's actor's performance as he hands him the sword 😭😭😭

IT IS A PARALLEL! 😭😭

look at the screenshot up there again!!

I'm ugly crying so hard right now 😭😭😭

Gimme a moment ...

Tge music in the next scene is really unusual for this show, almost jarring after I've just bawled my eyes out

What is that?

An entrance?

Okay no, not an entrance

Who is that????

Aardgfdgh

The Juniors!!!

The scenery us so pretty :)

Waitwaitwait ... I have a suspicion... no ... nooooo? It can't be ...

The butterfly toy ...

And the comments in the last episode fit, too ... 😳😳😳

OH MY GOOOOOOOD!!!!

The shot of the little flying thing! That's in that restaurant, right??

The comment about remembering stuff from when you're three!

IS HE A YUAN????

@sweetlittlevampire IS HE A YUAN??? 😱😱😱

I'm crying again you guys

Of course he is! It all makes sense

And omg, lan Wangji with the bunny lantern 😭😭😭

And now wwx remembers A Yuan and... the LOOK!!! The song!!! The bunnies!!!

The smile 😭😭😭😭

"Let's buy it" "Okay"

They're a family, you guys!!!! They're a family and I'm ... so ... so emotional!!! 😭😭😭

So much softness between them!!! 💙🖤💙🖤

And wwx smiles as brightly as before this whole mess and ...

Holy shit this episode you guys!!!

First I cry out of sheer devastation and now I feel like my heart is ready to burst!

And it FITS!!!

wangxian got the happy ending Xiao Xingchen and song lan never did. They reunited and even though they spent many years apart they have a real chance now!!!

And this, their child, this is the pay off.

I'm listening to the new album by Nightwish (my favourite band) all the time right now and in their song "How's the heart?" Is this line "now there's one who came from me / A child of light, another tale" and I can't help but think of that right now! The whole song is about how it is worth it, going through the bleak times, fighting through your own darkness because there is light and love at the end of it. It's worth it to keep fighting, just so we can keep meeting others with love. And I can't help but think of little A Yuan/ Lan Sizuhi (and god, I'm almost bursting at the fact that I can write that line!!) As their manifestation of that love. Their "child of light" :')

And even with Xiao Xingchen and Song Lan ... there is this slight hopeful feeling of "we will meet again", if not in this life than in the next ...

Guys, I'm so emotional right now

Sorry for the tengant. It probably doesnt make much sense put in writing 💚

I'm so sad and so happy at the same time ... :')

Oh god, lan Wangji with the lantern is so unimaginably cute!!!

And they gave it to Lan Sizhui!!!

SYMBOLISM!! 😭😭😭

Now, this should be interesting

How much does lan Xichen even know at this point?

Ohhh! That was nie Mingjue in the coffin earlier!

Why is he buried in Yi City???

I'm so confused right now!

(But don't tell me the answers. As always, these are rhetorical questions ;))

Ohhh ...

I have a suspicion about the ghost faced man

And apparently I'm not the only one

He has been "discussing" things with you every single night. Aha 😏

Sorry, this is serious 😬

(This has nothing to do with anything but I paused the stream to type and this was the image I got. I thought i should share :D)

Lan Xichen is so deep in denial

Poor guy

And again with the parallels! There is another Lan who has stuck to someone with a bad reputation and he's standing right there

And jin ling is conveniently reminding us of that 😐

So much drama

OMG!

That was smooth!

No, I KNOW WHO YOU ARE!

Just, "Wei-gongze" :D

"Don't take it to heart"

MY HEART!!!

I feel like Lan Wangji isn't the only Lan who will suffer an aneurysm from repressed emotions one day

@sweetlittlevampire @fandom-glazed @elenirlachlagos @allhailthedramallama @luckymoony @kyrrahbird @i-love-him-on-purpose and @sxnshot (should I tag you again next ep? No hard feelings if not 😊)

Honestly, this ep was the most emotional one for me so far in terms of the whiplash from pain and joy it gave me, though I certainly cried harder at the Yunmeng massacre. The prevailing emotion is joy now, though. I am such a sucker for mismatched, found families and wangxian and their child of light isn't exactly that, I don't know what is. I'm going to sleep with a smile on my face now. 💚

#sophie watches the untamed #the untamed #wei wuxian #lan wangji #xiao xingchen #song lan #wangxian #xue yang #lan sizhui #lan xichen #jin ling #lan jingyi #a qing

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smokingtomas · 5 years

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The Honey Jar Factor

Summary: Yukihira Jin finally had a chance to ask Hayama Kana out, and this time, he won’t take no for an answer.

Jin was never the one to make the first move.

It was hard to believe, but it was mostly because a lot of people read his charm the wrong way. There was no way in hell Yukihira Jin would whisper sweet nothings to a girl’s ear or lightly brush their skin in a sexy kind of way-- those were rumors he shook his head at.

Really, all he ever did was asking said girl, in a very low voice, how’d she make that godly zucchini puree, and spatted her arm playfully when she told him it was a secret unless he’d get down with her in the nearest janitor’s closet.

So it was quite puzzling when all those girls were barking up on him like they were fighting for territories, but the only girl he’d ever make a move on, did not even bat an eye.

He sighed at the thought. Head resting on a kitchen’s lab window pane, just a little behind a certain cotton candy haired girl so he could watch her move so gracefully. Whatever she was creating, he knew it was going to be wonderful.

But then he saw her struggling with a jar of… honey? That was his thought judging by the amber color. And it seemed natural for him to finally showed his nose chimed in casually.

“I can help with that.”

Jin said with such ease that it got her attention. It was pretty obvious that she was startled-- she probably thought she had been alone all this time.

“W-What are you doing here so late?”

“I can ask you the same question.” He walked closer. “It’s almost 8, Kana-san.”

“We are not on a first-name basis, Yukihira-kun.” She reminded him.

“Why aren’t we on a first-name basis, then?”

“Because we barely talk?”

“Well, then I’d blame you.” He grabbed the honey jar she was struggling with earlier, “I always try to, but you keep popping out new tricks to swat me away like I’m some kind of fly.”

“I-I don’t--” Then Kana sighed, “Alright look, I have my hands full right now. Why don’t you just say what you want to say now?”

With a smirk, Jin handed her the newly popped jar. “Ah, so now you’re finally giving me the chance.”

Kana shrugged, “So?”

“Yeah fine, I know. A girl like you may think I’m that hotshot who swings around doing bad things with his big Harley, woo girls, fool around with them for a while, and then ditch them before repeating the cycle. Probably the kind of guy your dad warned you about and want you to stay away from. Does that sound familiar?”

Yes, Jin knew he observed well, that was why Kana’s features turned sour as she folded her arms.

“And your point is?”

“You judged me way too fast, Hayama-san.” He confronted. “Please, feel free to argue if what I said isn’t true.”

“Well, I’ve heard rumors about your behavior with girls, Yukihira.”

Jin scoffed-- this girl really was stubborn, “C’mon now, those are called ‘rumors’ for reasons. And now that I know, it’s not fair for me because you’ve been judging my character all this time, yet here I am-- still unfairly attracted to you.”

Now, she was silenced. He’d like to think that it was her green eyes, that struggled to avoid his hazel ones, or simply because she secretly felt the same way.

“You know we’d be great together, Hayama-san.” Jin tried to convince her, “Our moms are best friends too. Imagine if we finally get married and--

“Alright, alright! Would you please back up waaay further?” Kana attempted to hide her blush by massaging her temples, but fine, he went too far with that one.

“So is that a yes? So you’d go out with me, right?”

She shrugged-- so much for being hopeful, alright. “I’m not sure, Yukihira-kun. I don’t know if I can trust you.”

“Okay, how about one dinner?”

“What?”

Really, he wasn’t the type of guy who’d just give up, “Yeah, one dinner to change your mind. Free dinner doesn’t sound bad, eh?”

“And then what do you expect to get out of me?” Kana lifted her chin.

“Absolutely nothing!” Jin reassured, “One dinner, and then feel free to choose if we’re good together or not.”

“How would I know you’re not going to put something in my drink and, I don’t know, take advantage of me?”

He thought his offer was pretty good, but it took him aback when Kana still questioned his intentions like so, but he laughed once his mind processed how ridiculously paranoid that sounded.

“Gee, Kana. What kind of movies have you been watching? And don’t you realize what kind of hell my mom would put me through if I do things to you?”

“I guess that’s right.” She said.

“Soooo? What are you waiting for? For real though, I’m a decent guy, and I don’t just say it to convince you. Ask around if you must.”

Now that must be somewhat assuring, or at least his marketing made her think about his offer, and to him, it looks like she was seriously considering it. Once again, she refused to meet him in the eyes.

“You’re not… gonna give up until I say yes, are you?”

He confidently shook his head at that.

“Fine. One dinner.” Kana sighed, “But that is it! Not a date!”

“Yessss!” Jin balled a fist, obviously not trying to hide his excitement, “You won’t regret it!”

“Did you hear me just now?”

“Loud and clear, Ma’am.” Jin winked.

“Then you shouldn’t be too excited. My dad would have rules.”

“You’re already talking like we’re dating. I’m not complaining.” He chuckled, dipping a spoon in the honey jar, “Which we are, right?”

And he knew just to flee before Kana’s eyes popped out of her face.

A/N: Yayyy my first Jin x Kana fic! I hope you enjoy and are expecting more because I love writing them ^^

#shokugeki no soma #oc: the next gen #yukihira jin #hayama kana #jin x kana #food wars

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