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thundergrace · 1 year
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Wikipedia plot of the book:
The book is the first-person account of a young African-American writer, Dana, who finds herself being shunted in time between her Los Angeles, California home in 1976 and a pre-Civil War Maryland plantation. There she meets her ancestors: a proud Black freewoman and a white planter who has forced her into slavery and concubinage. As Dana's stays in the past become longer, she becomes intimately entangled with the plantation community. She makes hard choices to survive slavery and to ensure her return to her own time.
Kindred explores the dynamics and dilemmas of antebellum slavery from the sensibility of a late 20th-century Black woman, who is aware of its legacy in contemporary American society. Through the two interracial couples who form the emotional core of the story, the novel also explores the intersection of power, gender, and race issues, and speculates on the prospects of future egalitarianism.
I know we're a bit exhausted with these plots but, this is the original. Octavia Butler's 1976 classic. There's been many films and series inspired by it (most recently, 2020's Antebellum starring Janelle Monáe). It'll be interesting to see how this goes. I know many have been waiting for a direct adaptation.
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queerism1969 · 1 year
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spockvarietyhour · 4 months
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The show:
Reblog for a larger sample size, etc and please sound off on what you thought if you've seen it!
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theamityelf · 1 year
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Here, I do my best to go over all my varied feelings about the Kindred show/series and, by extension, the great book.
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starrology101 · 1 year
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Kindred on Hulu
I’m watching the new television adaption of Kindred on Hulu and…I don’t hate but I don’t love it. Kindred is one of my all time favorite books and seeing certain scenes being adapted to TV is great, but most of the changes they made seem so unnecessary. Spoilers if you haven’t seen the show or read the book.
Kevin is now a Tinder date she barely knows instead of her husband. In an interview, the show’s creator said he wanted to adapt to “evolution of gender roles or gendered behaviors, expectations around courtship” since in the book Dana’s present is the 1970s while in the TV show it’s the mid 2010s.
And I can understand that to an extent, but it feels like they’ve just removed a layer of protection from Dana when she jumps back to the past. Because in the books there’s a certainty that Kevin will do whatever he can to protect Dana. They’re a team, and while Kevin doesn’t fully grasp the horror of how jumping back to slavery era is affecting Dana, he is effective as her main form of support. In the show, because they are not married and don’t have that established bond, it makes me wonder if he’ll go to the same lengths to protect her or if their barely-a-relationship can survive all the strain time travel will put on it.
SPOILER FOR THE BOOKS: Dana leaves Kevin in the past, for quite a few years (for him, not her) if I’m remembering correctly. Would their relationship survive that in the tv show like it did in the books? Could this version of Kevin, that can’t seem to function in the past without Dana survive the way Kevin did for years? I don’t think I’d buy it.
The Kevin in the show just seems kinda dumb to me. He can’t tell a convincing lie to save his life. He’s constantly bumbling and stumbling over his words. And he wasn’t as concerned about Dana being on a plantation during slavery as I thought he should be. And part of that can be attributed to the fact that he barely knows her but still. I just don’t like him as much here.
They also added Dana’s mother as a character, as well as other members of her family. The creator said that was to “give her familial relationships that are complicated and that might also get us closer to an answer about why this is happening to her and more fully complete this metaphor I think Octavia was working toward”
That’s a horrible reason to make such a huge change to the source material. Dana was a fleshed out character without those immediate familial relationships. And Dana starts putting the pieces together about her time traveling fairly quickly in the book. We don’t need another character to spoon feed information to us.
It just feels like the creator and the writers are cluttering up the book with unnecessary characters and changes to make the book more interesting to a modern audience and it’s making the show worse.
On top of that, the acting feels weak.
For example: there’s this scene in the books where Dana is reading to Rufus and his mother, Margaret, comes in and starts interrupting them. She’s hostile towards Dana and doting to the point of smothering towards her son. Rufus snaps at her and Dana notes that his expression, voice, mannerism, etc. reminds her of Tom, Rufus’ violent, abusive father. I remember it being the first inkling I got while reading that Rufus wasn’t going to stay the little boy who treated his slaves kindly and familiarly. I remember thinking ‘oh Rufus is going to grow up to be more like his father, oh no.’
I was excited to see that scene played out in the show but the acting was so lackluster it barely made an impact on me.
I have other problems with the show but those are my main ones. I’m gonna keep watching, and I do think it’s enjoyable, but it does not do Olivia’s book the justice it deserves. I’m disappointed but I also didn’t have my hopes up.
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blackification · 1 year
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randomly decided to watch Kindred and. i had to hit pause when Dana's ass fucked the white man she met like A WEEK AGO in EIGHTEEN MOTHERFUVKING FIFTEEN in THE HOUSE ON A PLANTATION !! literally stopped me in my tracks dana stresses me the fuck out. she is so blasé about her situation it's crazy. like girl you are too calm right now and just acting a fool putting all those black people in danger. literally the definition of doesn't give af. like?? if that shit was happening to me no i would not be in the 17th century fucking a white man ON THE PLANTATION or walking around in fuckin leather booties and acid wash jeans bich are you CRAZY . randomly deciding to selectively free slaves. ?? she's actually nuts. and apparently in the book she and Kevin are married? why make them acquaintances?? it makes both of them look like literal crazy people. my safety is not something i would task the white male i met a week ago with and what casual hook up is okay with continuous trips to antebellum south? very strange. what a horrible choice, they should have kept them married.
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mojave-green · 1 year
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It’s funny because I started writing about the issues that stem from the decision to make Kindred FX a multi-season show and the many other unnecessary changes they made, and I was agreeing with a lot of the criticism. But lately I’ve been seeing complaints about stuff that’s either straight from the book or that seem to miss the point. Things like “Dana should be transitioning smoothly because she knows about slavery from books and tv” or “I wouldn’t be selfish like Dana, I would do xyz better,” and it’s like. Yes some of Dana’s mistakes are a little too dumb to feel believable but at the same time? People thinking they have complete and accurate knowledge of slavery because of media and giving staunch moral judgements about how slaves behaved is literally what prompted the writing of the book. I don’t know, I might end up having to defend the show a little too.
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pythiaswine · 1 year
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history/american history fans, PLEASE WATCH KINDRED ON HULU. i binged the whole first season when i was sick yesterday. it is genuinely the best historical/time travel/regency period drama i've watched. i wanna read the book now.
big tws though, it can be violent and very very stressful. normally tv doesnt bother me but i was fully flinching away at some of the scenes because the plot is about a Black woman who time travels to the regency era (?im p sure lolll 1818 ish??) to a plantation where they think she's enslaved. on the other side of this same coin is that 👏 THEY DONT SHY AWAY FROM THE HORRIBLE REALITY 👏 and it is so important.
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also I've started watching Kindred
😱😱😱
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vividxp · 1 year
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Hulu (FX?) cancelled Kindred and I’m sad about it. I had my opinions on the changes made to the story so that they could stretch it out to multiple seasons but I still enjoyed watching it. It’s sad because we didn’t get to the really interesting parts of the story.
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agentem · 1 year
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Emily rereads "Kindred"
Awhile ago I posted about the TV show Kindred on Hulu. (I still want to discuss this series with someone.)
I guess I didn't have strong memories of the book so much as strong feelings about it. Because it's been so long a lot of the specifics of the book have left me. (For reference I believe I read this when I was 12 and--this might scare some teens on tumblr--40 years old now.)
My main feeling was that I love Dana. I also love Dana and Kevin. They are my OTP.
And I think, looking at it now, I realize that Dana is just such an open and loving person. She sees everyone so clearly. (Almost like she's a writer writing a book which is funny because she's an author in the text.)
She understands Alice's actions with her (and Rufus) so perfectly. She's like "Alice is just lashing out because she is sad about her husband being brutalized and sold downriver to Louisiana so it's okay that she yells at me."
But she also sees Rufus very clearly and without judgement. She'll be like, "he's just sad that I'm abandoning him too, like this mother". But when it comes to Rufus, me the reader is reading those words thinking, "You do not deserve her, Rufus, you asshole. I will cut you when I find you. You bastard. You hurt Dana."
And maybe that's why I relate to Kevin? Because he wasn't as great as I remembered. It's just that Dana sees him with love too. They are all her family, you know? So I want Kevin to be good for her. (He fucking better or I'll cut him too.)
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Get it renewed right now! I can’t live with that cliffhanger
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I highly recommend the show Kindred on Hulu. Go watch it if you haven’t yet.
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spockvarietyhour · 4 months
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So about that earlier poll...
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theamityelf · 1 year
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The show keeps handing revelations that Dana had in the book to Kevin instead. Like, in the show, Kevin is the one who says they should pack a bag for next time, and Kevin is the one who suggests that they should try to influence Rufus while they're there so he doesn't become like his father, and if I'm getting pedantic, Kevin is the one who reassures Dana that she isn't insane when, in the book, she was certain of her own sanity pretty much the whole time. Idk, I dislike them taking Dana's pragmatic initiative away from her.
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starrology101 · 1 year
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I’m sorry for harping on this but I’m on episode 4 of Kindred and…why the fuck does Dana need this new made up character (her mother) to tell her that the slaves on the Weylin plantation are real people and that she should use the resources available to her to help them?
Dana, who felt guilty when Nigel, a slave boy, asked her to teach him to read because she didn’t offer it to him in the first place.
Dana, who when Nigel asked if she was scared of being whipped if she was caught teaching him to read said "Yes. But that doesn't matter. I'll teach you. I just wanted to be sure you knew what you were getting into."
Dana, who taught multiple slaves to read despite getting caught the first time.
Dana, who when Alice (her black ancestor through a child she would have with Rufus) wanted to run away from Rufus rather than go to him peacefully and let him rape after he had her and her man whipped, beaten, attacked by dogs, and sold back into slavery, did not hesitate to start brain storming. She immediately told Alice she would keep Rufus distracted if she wanted to run, despite the danger that posed to her own existence.
Dana made it clear from the moment she set foot on that plantation that she wouldn’t close her eyes to what was going on around her.
So why did we need Dana’s mother to remind her of the humanity of the slaves around her? Adding this character was supposed to have us connect with Dana’s character, flesh her out more, but it’s doing the exact opposite.
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