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19. Who is your favorite parentdale character? Why?
i answered 19 before here but i would say my ranking of riverparents might have alice on top actually. alice is crazy alice is constant alice is a mom with a sexy past on the wrong side of the tracks one week and mrs reagan the next alice loves her children the most and alice is an abusive mom alice married a serial killer and told him off for sucking at the serial killing alice is too afraid to break out of the nuclear family and she always had bastard children and infiltrated cults and lied on tv. she committed to the bit all 7 seasons and never missed a crazy plotline elevating her to the category of being forever. and her emotional arcs with betty are always great and resonant on top of that
so i would say hiram/alice/gladys are my top 3 riverparents actually because they're the most crazy (penelope is obviously crazier than them but cheryl is my favorite rvd character with the saddest brown eyes on tv history so i cant stan her evil mom fully even though she so obviously deserves it sorry penelope)
thank you for asking!! <3 and sorry i got to this one late i was grieving our beautiful beautiful riverdale's passing
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Just want to take a moment to appreciate the queens who run dailymadchenamick they’re truly a God send and I love them both dearly ❤️
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kim!! the loml!!!!! we honestly haven’t talked all that much but i always read ur tags so hdskdv it sometimes feels like we’ve chatted more than we have BUT i have to start with your love and appreciation for hal cooper because it is Inspiring ! you’re one of the big three parentdale stans who’ve warmed me up to different riverparents that bounce around in my head but i have such specific feelings about hal cooper now and i’m both bitter and happy about it whenever i rewatch season 1. but aside from parentdale your general takes are always golden to me and ur one of my favorite people in this cursed fandom and i’m always delighted to see u in my notifs and on my dash <33
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Riverdale is a stinking pile of garbage, but there are so many possibilities for great storylines. The Serpents literally living in tents in the forest; the Sisters of Quiet Mercy and whatever the hell they've been doing for generations; the Midnight Club; Hiram Lodge and his mob; Cheryl kicking out her abusive mother and moving in with her Serpent girlfriend; Dr Curdle Jr, and his father's hidden files; literally anything the three Hot Dads of Riverdale™ do.
So many possibilities, and yet we're stuck watching the unnecessary drama of the core four, with repeating stupidity, good actors left with mediocre acting and badly written characters, unnecessary and forced sex scenes that doesn't make any sense, and zero adult supervision over minors at any time.
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thoughts on jughead + his dynamic with gladys or fp if u have them </3
yes i DO thank u <3 i ended up writing a wholeass novel about this (unsurprisingly) so im throwing it under a read more
like a lot of other things in rvd, i feel like the whole jones family’s interactions could have had a lot more depth, but unfortunately fp and gladys have just sorta been used as pawns for whatever purpose they needed to serve for the plot.
i feel like in s1 we got a really solid picture of their circumstances - fp had fallen off the wagon so badly that gladys and jb left, and jughead didnt feel safe/comfortable living at home anymore, but he started to slowly piece together his relationship with his dad again and was able to start living at home again (until fp went to prison again and all that).
i think i tend to overexaggerate the canon depictions of fp as abusive, but at the same time, ive noticed a lot of ppl tend to forget about/not address it at all (not that i can blame them, bc the writers have too). s1 really sets up fp as an unstable father who wants to support his family but is struggling so much with his own issues that he isn’t able to be the kind of father he wants to be for jughead or jb. throughout s1 (and some of s2 iirc) we get to see several instances where fp is borderline (or explicitly, depending how you define it) verbally and physically abusive w/ jughead -- off the top of my head im thinking of a few instances where fp yells at jughead and physically shoves him around, and these incidents make sense in the context of s1 - fp is unstable, struggling, trying to be a parent but struggling to balance his anger issues and alcoholism, and all those factors contribute to jughead leaving the trailer. on one hand, i do write these incidents as being more serious in my fics and stuff, but on the other, i think a lot of folks ignore them or underestimate them - i mean, they were serious enough that jughead would rather live in a closet at school than at home, so. yeah.
i have parentdale stans to thank for indirectly encouraging me to think about fp as a more complex character, rather than just using him as a prop to set up jughead’s difficult life circumstances. the closest rvd ever got to Saying Something about the cycle of abuse was in 304, where young fp is like “i don’t want to end up like my old man, downing six-packs in my double-wide...at least i won’t hit my kid.” i think that bit of backstory makes fp’s character a lot more compelling and meaningful, and makes it even more tragic when the episode ends w/ him sitting down with his dad and cracking open a beer, and inevitably ending up where the viewers know he does -- in the same trailer, struggling w alcoholism, and taking out his anger on his kid. the writers could’ve turned that storyline into a deeper exploration of how the cycle of abuse and class conflict lead to repetitions of the same cycle, but in the absence of that development, i still think that episode develops fp’s character, backstory, and motivation in ways that were crucial to my ability to understand him as a similarly complex character. in the end, he is trying his best, but dealing with a lot of shit on his plate that renders him, at times, incapable of being the kind of father he wanted to be.
wrt gladys (specifically the s1 phone call), i think the writers needed to establish jughead as having difficult family circumstances and nowhere to turn and all that so that the blow of fp’s confession hit harder, but i don’t think they managed to actually integrate any kind of explanation for her rejecting jughead in s1 into her characterization later on. as far as i remember -- although i could be forgetting something -- we don’t ever learn Why she told jughead he couldnt come stay with her and jb in toledo.
i really would’ve liked to see gladys given the time and space to become a realistic character with her own set of motivations before she got shoehorned into s3 as a villain. despite all the emphasis on the joneses ~being a family again~ we don’t actually get to see them be a family for very long. i don’t have as many thoughts about gladys as i do about fp, because i feel like she never got that same level of development, although i wish she had. i think they started off with a solid basis for her character -- thinking of the details abt her going to night classes to get her GED while taking care of jellybean, and the little hints we get abt her life in toledo, but ultimately i think the writers rushed into using her for plot development before ever really making her into a solid independent character.
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