#plato's allegory of the cave

[neosatsuma]

#polls #my nonsense #it just occurred to me to wonder why on earth this site is so big on #plato's allegory of the cave

[deanismysavior]

Oh holy shit okay so y'all know I've been working on a theory tying Stranger Things to Plato's Allegory of the Cave, and I will cover full detail on that, but I couldn't wait to post about this because it's too much.

Now if you don't know about Plato's Allegory of the Cave, it essentially explains that people trapped in the Cave have an altered perception of truth, as they are tied down and their reality is being manipulated, and only once you're able to leave the Cave and step into the light can you reach knowledge, enlightenment, and truth.

So in Hopper's Letter at the end of season 3, we get his referring to living his life without love and understanding as a "cave" he couldn't get out of, and we get these lines where Hopper says he's been feeling "distant from you," which refers to El here, but cuts in between scenes of Mike looking devastasted watching the Byers leave and Will crying in the car.

We get this really great parallel narratively in this scene where Mike is sitting in Will's bedroom as he's apologizing. He says that he feels like he "Lost" Will. Meaning that Mike felt as though he was in the Cave in Hawkins without Will.

Similarly, in the van scene, we see Will saying that he felt so "Lost without [Mike]." Even though he uses El as a veil here, we're meant to understand this is about him. So Will also feels as though he's been stuck in the Cave without Mike.

Both Mike and Will are each other's way out of that Cave. They view the other as their guiding light, and this is going to be so important for next season because if we understand the Upside Down to be one of the many Caves present in Stranger Things, as an alteration and distortion of truth, then this means that one needs a guide out of that distortion.

We see during Mike's monologue confession scene that El is struggling to fight against Vecna. Will tells Mike that he needs to spur her to fight with his words, because Will believes that the love between Mike and El is genuine and that Mike's words will be able to break through the influence of the Cave on El, but we know that Mike's words don't actually work until Mike starts telling El to fight, which is after she sees Max in danger. From El's memory montages of Max, we are meant to understand that Max was El's guide out of the Cave, and not Mike, because Max reminded El of who she actually is as a person while Mike's words no longer reflected how El views herself. Mike's view of El here is part of the distortion, and therefore cannot act as a guide out of the Upside Down, because Mike is not expressing his truth in that monologue.

So when we get to this scene in Hopper's cabin at the end of s4 and Will and Mike are on the couch, Will bathed in light and Mike shadowed in darkness, this not only reveals to us the truth that it is Will's feelings for Mike that will spur Mike, but that Will will lead Mike out of the Cave and into his truth.

Also shoutout to this tweet to helping me form this take:

#byler #byler endgame #byler nation #will byers #mike wheeler #stranger things #st #plato's allegory of the cave #will x mike #mike x will #will byers is gay #mike wheeler i know what you are #will #mike #stranger things theory #stranger things analysis #st5 #stranger things 5

[reineyday]

idk if im late to the party but i thought it was interesting that 1899 used plato's allegory but never really surfaced passed discussing the shadows vs the fire, only to reveal at the end that they themselves are living the rest of the allegory: theyre running away from the sun that is their reality bc it hurts too much. they prefer the shadows on the wall, the darkness of the cave, bc the light of their reality is too painful for them to accept.

#rei rambles #1899 #1899 spoilers #plato's allegory of the cave #my fave part of the allegory has always been the prisoners getting blinded by the sun and choosing to go back #i never used to understand that part and i would tell myself i never would choose to go back #but now i kinda get it. i might not say no to educational enlightenment but there are some other things id mb return from. #or at least take a break from. #anyways so fascinating to me that all these ppl would choose to freeze in space only to be on a boat in 1899 #like. is that ciaran's fault? bc id assume theyd want to be in a utopia not like. a passenger on a boat. #furthermore do they have translators on board that they just chose not to instill? #were those crimes and tragedies in their lives real? it didnt seem like modern times in any of their memories/dreams #but im aware that they might just all be very rural. but if thats the case then howd they end up on a spaceship? #also is lucien really prone to seizures and actually dead? #is jérôme for real a stowaway even tho he has his own pod????? #so many questions #did they sell pods based on ticket? then why were there ppl still being crew and shovelling coal??? #how much did landon pay to be there? #or is it just a volunteer experiment run by maura's family???? #dang

[moved-to-piersgender]

I just need to take a deep breath and remember I'm NOT a lesser person for being unable to feel that intensely about anyone and that I'm perfectly capable of being loyal as fuck in my own way.

#Vent #Delete later #Plato's allegory of the cave

[thicc-astronaut]

NO LITTLE GERMAN BOY DON’T LEAVE PLUTO’S ALLEGORY OF THE CAVE

“Oh mein gott zis is ein wurld full of wunderschön objekts”

#little german boy #plato's allegory of the cave #allegory of the cave

[delirious-celebrant]

 RWBY’s Allegory of the Cave

To start, if you don’t know what the Allegory/Parable of the Cave is, it’s from Plato’s Republic.  Here’s an ~8 minute video that will explain it better than I could, right now.  You might be asked to watch something similar if you ever take an introductory philosophy course.

Team RWBY begin the series imprisoned.  They have grown up on Remnant and they know the Grimm to be an ever-present threat that must be combated. 

Later, they learn of Salem.  They learn of Ozpin’s true nature.  They learn about Salem’s gods-given curse, about her control over Grimm.  They learn that Ozpin has no plan.  At the same time, they learn of the relics and the spirits bound to them.

They travel to the vaults where the relics are kept.  They’re warned not to fall in a space they accessed while inspired by the vaults.

They fell.

What they’re going to learn in the Ever After is up in the air.  Does aura function?  Does dust?  Semblances?  Are there Grimm there?  Are there no Grimm in the Ever After?  Will their presence draw Grimm to the Ever After, which had never seen Grimm before?  What is dust?  Will they learn its secrets here?

Whatever they learn, it’s going to change them.  They’ll never be able to look at Remnant the same after experiencing a world that has different rules. 

They’ve learned about the Witch and her Warrior, the uncaring Gods, the bound Genies, and worlds beyond Remnant.  Outside of the Ozluminati and Salem herself, most of this is unknown to the people of Remnant.  They have no concept of what’s behind the world they live in.

Will Team RWBY share the truth with them?  Will they accept it?  Or, following the Allegory of the Cave, will they respond with scorn, anger, or even violence?

Ozpin and Ironwood seemed to believe so.  They fought so hard to keep the truth hidden, believing the consequences of truth wouldn’t be worth the benefits.

But, with the truths that were dropped, the world knows about Salem now.  And they didn’t fall apart.  They didn’t revolt, because the people who delivered that truth didn’t approach it the way Ironwood or Ozpin would have.  Ruby didn’t speak over the people or as if she spoke for the people; she spoke to them.  And she reached them. 

Maybe the next revelations will be received as well as the last.

#RWBY #Ozpin #James Ironwood #Team RWBY #Ruby Rose #Plato's Allegory of the Cave #I hope this makes sense #I finally caught Covid #So I'm putting words to thoughts I've long mulled over #while I'm stuck inside and at home #and drinking a spicy bourbon #It's meant to be spicy #it's got ghost peppers in it

[penhive]

Plato’s Allegory of the Cave and ChristianityPlato’s allegory of the cave narrates as following: People live in a dark cave and from the roof of the cave emanates light and they are groping for the light. What Plato said is: there is a sensible world and an ideal world of forms. People in the dark cave belong to the sensible world and the light they see is an ideal world. We can use this allegory and draw a parallel with Christianity. The cave and darkness are the sin of this world and the light emanating from outside is the coming of God himself as Christ to redeem the world of sin and by his death on the cross made possible a world of eternity. Plato’s uncanny intuition is rather surprising.

#Plato #Plato's allegory of the cave #Christianity #Philosophy #Literature #Literary theory

[prodgermmath]

Wow. Cool allegory, Plato. But what if they were Fucking and Sucking in that Cave? You ever think of that?

#2016 presidential election #Plato's Allegory of the Cave

[reallybadblackoutpoems]

allegory of the cave (380 bc.) - plato

“socrates: now consider the following. barkbarkbark”

#sorry gays #havent been active #time means nothing to me anymore #hope everyone is doing well #have been learning to crochet among us #its going well id say #slay #anywyay #blackout poem #blackout poetry #author #book #poetry #plato #allegory of the cave

[sideblogdotjpeg]

sol bufo is not an anime protagonist he is a SHAOLIN SOCCER PROTAGONIST!!!!!!!

#naddpod #ba2mia #ba2umia #solum bufo #cough cough. anyway #...... so like im normal guys i promise. cough cough #anyway. procrastinated aoo much hw to do this #i had to finish this then inmediately write an analysis on platos allegory of the cave. thats where im at #posts by me dot com

[shinelikethunder]

i've been going on archaeological expeditions into the depths of the SPN tags on AO3, and tonight i got drop-kicked into an out-of-body experience so cursed that it'd require LAYERS of explanations to convey to a civilian how fucking funny it was:

unfortunately, SPN fandom is as enamored of mundane AUs as every other goddamn fandom seems to be these days

noted gay angel Castiel is, as you may have heard, a celestial entity possessing some poor guy named Jimmy Novak

apparently standard practice when mundane-AUing Castiel is to just give him the surname of the guy he bodysnatched?

and since SPN angels are all referred to as siblings (and are, of course, highly normal about that) it seems pretty common to just slap the same name onto other humanverse'd angels too

in the middle seasons one of Castiel's endless procession of dickwad angelic bosses is named Naomi

now you gotta bear in mind that i was not thinking about ANY of this. my brain had to backfill it. while reeling after almost blacking out when i scrolled past this character tag:

me, sitting there with my soul about to vacate the premises, thinking this fic is doing something WAY more interestingly cursed than it really is: listen man. listen. just because it's possible to reductively summarize the origins of AO3 as "Naomi Novik wanted a site she knew would never take down her Wincest fic" doesn't mean you gotta--

#the plato's allegory of the cave version of the cw's supernatural #ao3

[phospadparadscha]

when i was fourteen i was playing tf2 and i had never played online multiplayer games besides virtual world sims so for almost 100 hours worth of gameplay i was playing against bots who i thought were other players who just didn't want to talk to me when i would talk in the chat

#text #tf2 #team fortress 2 #it took me way too long to realize it. #literally platos allegory of the cave

[deanismysavior]

If I'm right about this, I think I may have just cracked the code to understanding all of Stranger Things. I'm so excited to share my next analysis with you all when it's done because this one is HUGE.

#stranger things #st #byler #byler endgame #byler nation #plato's allegory of the cave

[moved-to-piersgender]

I think I've figured out what actual romantic attraction feels like and I don't think I like that.

#Vent #I just feel very Weird #Plato's allegory of the cave

[thicc-astronaut]

call our relationship platonic the way she has me chained to a wall in this fucking cave

#plato's allegory of the cave #I love plato's cave so much it's such a silly visual #like I understand the philisophical concepts he was trying to convey but. It's still very funny to thinkl about

[luxlightly]

A real statement I heard that's honestly terrifying: "Tik tok forced brands to be more honest and real with people because tik tok doesn't accept fakeness and that's why propaganda doesn't work on us"

This was said by an adult who claimed to study marketing trends. Do...do people actually think those "hey guys!!! checking out these new Doritos™! Hashtag yum am I right?" videos by brands are real? I get so angry at those videos because they're so insidious in their attempt to appear like friends or fellow average people and not scripted actors, going so far as to fake things like poor lighting or stumbling words, but I didn't think anyone actually BOUGHT it.

And before anyone is like "lol just don't go on tik tok", this is clearly not an app specific issue. And I'm sure that plenty of people know better than to think that brand videos are real or assume that, because you can't tell the difference between a real person and an actor, it means that you can't be fooled by propaganda. And I recognize that it's certainly not an issue entirely divided on generational lines. But it is a disturbing trend in advertisement that has consequences, especially for those who grew up with it. Younger people will get freaked out by giving a second of clear audio before speaking in a recording because it sounds "faked" to them. "The millennial pause" indicates pretty clearly "I am filming something and presenting information and making sure that it doesn't get cut off by leaving a second of audio in case something goes wrong and needs to be edited". They don't get it's done intentionally or why and don't like the explanation when they get it. They get freaked out by presentation voices. Or at least find them off-putting. Anything that says "I'm recording this to give information clearly and concisely" reads as disingenuous to people who grew up in a world where advertisers and brands carefully construct a facade of being a "normal, flawed person, just like you! You can totally trust me! Treat me like a person instead of a brand that wants your money!" Intentional imperfection and careful replication of candid endorsements skeeve me out. People like me, who didn't grow up with it, feel weirded out by them. It's a lie and we don't like it. It feels MORE fake because of how clearly it's trying to appear real. But if you've grown up with nothing else, I guess anything that intentionally tells the viewer that the subject is presenting information formally reads as "they have an agenda". Anyone recording has an agenda. Even if that agenda is just "tell people about my new dog". When you stop believing that, you don't get more immune to propaganda, you stop being able to recognize it at all.

#something something platos allegory of the cave #if you only know things trying to simulate earnestness #attempts to actually be earnest feel fake #because they don't line up with your idea of what earnest looks like #because your idea of what honesty looks like is lies