#poppy & zena

[dreikit-23]

There is a Rampant and Vicious Cycle in the Online Left That Needs to Be Addressed

Every leftist needs to understand that not every proclaimed leftist is a safe person or one that is acting in good faith. Many people in this sphere --even if they are minorities themselves-- are Abusers. Let me be clear: they are Abusers REGARDLESS of --NOT because of-- them being a minority. Despite this, many of them have weaponized their standing as a minority in order to get away with their behavior and achieve what they see as some form of power and control over others. Let me be clear. I am referring to those that:

Manipulate and lie about pressing situations (especially when it's to harm another person or demographic)

Excessively use idpol to either elevate themselves to holier than thou levels ("listen to ___ people but only when it's something I agree with, which just so happens to devolve from constructive change to making others grovel and plead forgiveness endlessly before me") or belittle others (ie their skin color, gender, queerness, disability, neurodivergence, religion, age, etc.) in order to discount their point or not treat them as equal human beings; yes, even if their skin tone is white or if they are men, abuse does not have to be backed up by systemic issues in order to be abusive or at the very least harmful (sidenote: this does not apply to people talking about their experiences as a minority that is otherwise not experienced or understood by others, the issue I'm pointing out is when it's twisted to cover everything not directly tied to their identity and proclaim themselves as the only ones allowed to be the voice of reason, therefore shutting up everyone else and to avoid any constructive criticism or discussion)

Act on rage and at times even trauma to bring forth harmful ideals (ex: truly hating every person of a demographic, wishing for a genocide, making actual death or rape threats towards someone or a group, conversion, etc)(sidenote: I'm not discounting those that have trauma and even have harmful thoughts, just please seek help and understand that it is not healthy nor sustainable to paint or alter reality to be in line with what trauma makes you believe)

Actively try to get others they don't agree with to either permanently leave the internet or commit suicide and even celebrate when either happens

Excessively test others on their "purity" on unachievable standards to the detriment of everyone and Leftism as a whole (purity culture is fueled by christian culture in order to disguise doomerism, accepting defeat when change is not possible, of which is the very thing that will kill leftism)

Infight over weird made up issues (remember how divide and conquer is a war strategy? To split hairs and discount others for non-issues is to do the work of conservatives and nazis for them)

Shut down people or discussions over minor slights such as using an incorrect word/phrasing or any numerous perceived mistakes (example I've seen here: berating a person with schizophrenia (or a trans person or any other minority) for using a derogatory term for themselves when they're talking about how everyone else is speaking over them and not listening), ignoring the hypocrisy or not taking into account any number of mundane causes such as non-native english speakers, generational gaps, being in the process of learning (either recovering from harmful beliefs or simple ignorance), using those terms to prove a point (such as that example I mentioned above), neurodivergence, etc.

Not letting others talk about their experiences of oppression when those experiences don't match theirs, instead opting to call those people bigoted for contrived reasons

A rejection of nuance, intersectionalism, and even reality to better suit their goals (ex: claiming that every trans man benefits from the patriarchy and can never experience misogyny)

Misuse of therapy speak and terminology in order to water down those terms and render them near meaningless so they can weaponize them under the pretense of their original use (ex: gaslighting), or to cut off any need to connect or sympathize with other human beings and instead speak to them like a PR message (refer to this video by Zena and Poppy for reference)

They never speak on true leftist/progressive ideals or positive change, they only engage in destructive discourse or any behavior listed above

Making baseless dangerous accusations towards someone they don't like. Before you go harr harr you're doing that, I'm not calling out any specific person and am merely listing dangerous behaviors I've seen people here act out. What I am referring to are when someone casually calls someone specific a predator (or whatever else) with absolutely zero proof and expecting everyone to believe them no questions asked. This has been shown to ruin people's lives

Any other similar behaviors not included in this list (as well as classic logical fallacies), but what I've mentioned above should paint you a good picture

Every example I've pointed out were REAL EVENTS I've seen from people that proclaim themselves as leftists or even just progressive, and sometimes are even minorities themselves (some even infight against their own communities using the behaviors listed above, often out of internalized bigotry)(an example of a real event that happened here recently were when several people were making rape threats towards a trans man by the username of @a-faggot-with-opinions). To be blunt, I'm pointing out exclusionism in practically every form, asexual discourse, transandrophobia, TERFs/radfems, TEHMs, tankies, "cornbreadtube", nationalists and ethnonationalists, and all else I don't have the terminology for For many of the people that fall under that bullet list I would hesitate to even refer to them as leftist or progressive, as they never seem to actually show they act on it or even believe in it, only making an appearance in those communities for their own destructive personal gain; hell, often times they have ideals that directly go against what those communities stand for! Examples include TERFs with white supremacist beliefs, transandrophobes that are misogynistic, ethnonationalists that are antisemitic, puritans that are ableist, the list goes on forever. Once you know what to look for, you can see the hidden or overt bigotry behind their false "progressive" statements

No one is infallible No one is better than everyone else You are not immune to propaganda No one is immune from behaving abusively

These people are dangerous, whether they actually qualify as abusers --as I've been referring to them as such for brevity and impact-- or are people that are engaging in hurtful or fully abusive behavior (use this paragraph as a disclaimer, I of course can't know if someone is an abuser in real life unless there is documented evidence of such). Regardless, they are hurting the left and are letting the right win

If you see any of these behaviors either 1) take caution if you're unsure, 2) block them, or 3) if you have the fortitude, call them out. Either way, use your best judgement and think for yourself (or discuss with good faith leftists if you're uncertain). And remember, often times (albeit not always) they are actually fully aware of their disgusting behavior and are choosing to act maliciously, not ignorantly.

Stay safe, log off, do what you can to support your local community and leftism as a whole, don't let these people distract from the real issues at hand. Have empathy, if you don't have empathy then act in compassion, if you don't or refuse to do either please do not engage in politics. Misanthropy has no place in matters concerning humanity.

And remember: we have to stand together in unity so we can create a better future for all

#politics #leftism #online left #discourse #tw abuse #tw rape mention #tw genocide mention #tw bigotry #racism #transphobia #transandrophobia #purity culture #vent #this goes for several issues I haven't mentioned whether due to a lack of proper wordage or expertise due to not being part of those groups #I'm a non-native english speaker who is autistic be aware of that if I do misphrase something #Poppy and Zena: Wholesome Degenerates is an excellent youtube channel please check them out #if anyone argues here in bad faith feel free to use this post as a free block list #had so much to say but now I can get back to shitposting les go

[poppyandzena]

Age is not consent. You being over the age of 18 does not give anyone the right to sexually harrass or pressure you. You are not crazy for not wanting people to catcall you in any space, irl or online. If a person is upset when you express your non-consent, they are a person who does not value the safety of other human beings.

#poppy and zena #zena and poppy #lily orchard

[britts-galaxy-brain]

Stepping in real quick in between my hectic irl shit since apparently some people need to be reminded of the definition of pedojacketing.

Pedojacketing is BASELESSLY accusing someone of being or supporting a pedophile. Emphasis on BASELESS. If there's goddamn evidence that points to someone being or supporting a pedophile, such as admitting to being a MAP, allowing a pedophile in your discord, and/or willfully financially supporting a pedophile, it's not fucking "pedojacketing".

#getting so goddamn tired of people throwing around heavy words like they're buzzwords #poppy #poppy and zena #milena #anniegal #lily orchard

[opinated-user]

the original video made in the channel of P&Z was put behind a paywall after Courtney called out P for violating her consent. they took it down from Courtney's channel too so this is another person entirely.

#lily orchard #poppy and zena #Youtube

[pleasetiemyshoelaces]

poppy on stream called you a trans med showing your tweet admitting she shared that incest comic. Says you asked for it and have that kink

of course she called me a transmed

because wanting someone who thinks incest is hot, abuses their own kid, blackmails ex's and past people in her influence to get her way, threatens their own kid with a site of people they've been touting to be "scared of" for years now to no longer be part of the census........

MUST mean i have an issue with her gender identity -_-

see poppy unlike you; i dont see people as just how they feel about their genets. I see people as people.

"trans" "cis" "gay" "straight" are adjectives i dont give a fuck about adjectives

"abuse" "coercion" "blackmail" "threaten" those are verbs, i care a whole lot fucking more about the verbs attributed to you over the adjectives

i get that all you are to yourself is "a trans woman" but to me you're so much more then that

you're an abuser, a user, a piece of shit, a sack of human garbage, a waste of an orgasm on your fathers part, oh and did i mention a piece of shit?

and thats cuz of the verbs boo, not the adjectives

#courtney orchard #courtney peet #poppy diabolique #poppy and zena #poppyandzenaonyoutube

[trappedinthewalls]

I know I shouldn't be reading the Poppy and Zena vs Noehflake drama tabloids people have been maintaining here, cause it's a bunch of Internet toxicity that does absolutely nothing for my mental health (same thing with the Lily Orchard bullshit), but it's definitely a train wreck effect. Gossip, drama, shitty behavior. It's all gross and I shouldn't be paying attention to it. But drama is a drug.

That being said, having read the Poppyamory documents put up by @poppyandzena I have some thoughts. This is all speculation because I can't read people's minds. I can never know what's actually going on inside someone's head or personal life. I can only guess.

Poppy engages in a rather odd combination of covert and overt abuse. It's very strange to read about. She whines and complains about all the emotions she has in hopes that she'll guilt trip her partners into coddling her and capitulating to her whims, and when that doesn't work she turns into a raging bitch.

Poppy does not want partners. She does not want polyamory.

What she wants is a harem of mommies and nurses and therapists she can vomit emotions all over and fuck. People she can control and use to boost her own ego.

Or maybe even more simply, she wants more Zenas. One isn't enough to satisfy her hunger for power and sex. I can only imagine how long it took her to mild Zena into the perfect enabler, but apparently she thinks that because she did it once, she can just keep doing it.

Is Zena completely innocent in this? Absolutely not. They're manipulative and cruel and as much of a self center prick as Poppy is. But given the lengths they go to micromanage Poppy' so-called partners (aka victims) so that they'll comply with Poppy's abhorrent behavior, I can't help but feel like Zena is always on a knife's edge. They act responsible for Poppy's entire life. They're like a helicopter parent that tells the teachers they're not allowed to give their child a bad grade because their child can't handle anything but praise and worship every moment of every day. But they're behaving that way for their supposed partner. Someone who is like twice their age by the way.

This behavior is not normal.

It gives very "when I say don't worry about me I mean worry about me" vibes. I'm all too familiar with that. Or at least my sibling is.

Unless it's casual, a relationship should be a partnership. Something you share. Not something one party is forced into to bend to the will of another person for...what, not being alone? Self worth?

Being alone is better than being someone's emotional footstool. Don't date people online unless it's temporary until you can meet them for your first actual date. Go outside and meet people in real life. And know you deserve to be happy as long as it's not at the expense of someone else.

#toxic behavior #toxic relationship #toxic people #toxic love #poppy and zena #poppy diabolique #noehflake

[gayfesh]

You’re a terrible person for defending Poppy to her boss about the client name leak. How would you feel if that happened to you? The fact that you didn’t say anything about it until now is disgusting. If you and Poppy didn’t get into a fight, you would be defending her disgusting behavior to this day. GTFOH. Seriously, who stays friends with someone who said their kid is “dead to them”. WTF is wrong with you.

Let's clear up what I meant by "defending."

Poppy had written a letter to a client's parents making a case that the trans genocide is happening or on the cusp of happening, and she was so proud of this letter she wanted to share it with details anonymized. She caught everything, except a single instance of the client's first name. She posted it in a Twitter group chat I run.

Twitter doesn't let you delete DMs. "Deleting" them only hides it for you. So this letter with her client's name was available to see for every single member of the group chat. Initially, she was asking every single member of the GC to delete that message for themselves, and take a screenshot of that section of the GC to prove that they no longer saw it. But not everyone was quick on responding, and her boss was going to have to file a report for breach of confidentiality or something.

So I ended up using my alt account to boot everyone out of the GC (you can only kick people out by blocking them) and then remade the GC, ensuring that the old GC's chat history was dead and gone and that image was now inaccessible to everyone. In so doing, her boss decided that such a report was no longer necessary.

I don't know what else you would have wanted me to "say anything about" that situation at the time.

And yeah, I do share a lot of blame for enabling Poppy for so long and turning a blind eye to her worse behaviors, and yeah, I do deserve criticism for that. That's part of the reason I have been so vocal in my criticism of her now. Initially when I ended the friendship I did not intend to say anything publicly, but I couldn't sleep for four days because of the guilt. I need to work to undo what I helped cause.

But our friendship didn't end solely because of a personal affront to me. It ended because I saw her going down a horrible spiral where she didn't care who she hurt along the way. You can say "if we didn't get in a fight I'd still be defending her," but that fight was inevitable. If that fight didn't happen, it'd be because she improved her behavior, which would have been a good thing.

#poppy and zena #poppy #zena and poppy #zenaandpoppy #poppyandzena

[nozzerasure-done]

Alright. This is my last post. I didn’t really post much. But I know @saigealexisyt and Poppy and Zena stalk it since they use it for their stream.

My intent, as I hope it was everyone else’s, was to get Poppy and Zena (and now Saige) to see how destructive and toxic their behavior was by how many people have been actively harmed by their actions.

I thought Courtney’s testimony would get you to see the light. It didn’t.

I thought Milena’s multiple testimony’s about her experiences would and it didn’t.

I thought Dormiyu’s would. It didn’t.

You dragged a trans woman’s name through the mud for months and still have a libelous post written by a dangerous person pinned to your profile because you were mad you got dumped.

I thought, surely, if anything, that the threat of losing your career would get you to stop. It didn’t

When I read Spawn’s document, it honestly made me sick. I knew you two were awful people but this made me pause. And knowing this is only part 1…

And you and Zena and Saige find nothing wrong with it. Which is even more maddening.

My point in all of this is that posting about anything else is futile. You’ve literally had everything taken away: your friends, your career, your website, and I’m sure YouTube and twitter isn’t far off for the three of you on the path you’re on.

Im sure you’ll still think you’re the victims. And you’ll think it’s some victory that I’m leaving. And that I’m not posting anymore. But guess what?

I have a career. I have a partner that loves me and I love back. I don’t have constant fights with them and they actually live with me and they don’t drop me when a shiny new toy walks by. I have stability. I don’t need people half my age to validate me.

It will haunt me knowing what you did to so many, especially Spawn, but it gives me peace knowing you’ll never have the platform and reach you once did. Keep up the good fight @poppyandzena

#poppy and zena #zena and poppy #poppy #poppy&zena #ladydiabolique #poppy & zena #zena #poppy diabolique #zenaandpoppyonyoutube #lady diabolique

[transpersian]

Zena and Poppy: Abusive Hypocrites - Master Post

last updated on 3/29 (added deep cover post, restructured post w/ most recent documents first)

Hi there! I'm Milena, Poppy Diabolique's "psychotic ex" and the alleged head of what she dubbed her "League of Evil Exes." While we're more of a co-op, that doesn't have the same ring to it as "League," does it?

This is mostly to track my own I'll be updating this post with additional content as it's published, so please check back to my page for the most up-to-date version, which I'll leave pinned.

Please be sure to also check out @poppyandzena's page, as they've been diligently collecting and cataloguing evidence and other testimonies for months.

Please take your time reading through these. It's emotionally difficult content and there's a lot of it, so please prioritize taking care of yourself. It gets worse than you think and I've put plenty of headers in these so it's easy to find your place again.

Feel free to reach out with any asks. Barring confidentiality agreements, I'm an open book.

For legal purposes, all testimonies and commentary on this page or any of the documents linked from it are allegations. The screenshots, however, are evidence. Any edits will be very obvious and for the purpose of respecting confidentiality.

Also, I've got a searchable index of everything they've ever said on stream. Tell me what you're looking for; I'll let you know where it pops up (with timestamps!) and potentially maybe telling you where to find the video itself.

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Major posts:

My goal with these posts and documents is to provide as much context and evidence as possible, so please remember to take care of yourself if you need to and take a break. It's a wild ride full of deeply upsetting behavior. All of the abuse-related CWs, short of flat-out physical violence.

This is only what I've put out, though, so please check out @poppyandzena for more testimonies. There are a lot.

LUXANDER STREAM - The debut of AH2 and Poppyamory 2+3 with excellent commentary. A great place to start, and if you have trouble reading lots of text, a great alternative to reading it yourself.

P&Z: Abusive Hypocrites (Part 2) - A TLDR overview of the public information available so far about PZ's conflicts with Noehflake, Dormiyu, and Spawn. A good place to start if you just want to skip to the current stuff.

Poppyamory 3: Poppy's (Para)Social Media Presence? - Poppy's online presence shows a pattern of questionable behavior.

Poppyamory 2: is poppy acephobic? - A collection of screenshots of several times where Hayleigh expressed not being interested in sex and that she was potentially/probably asexual, only to have Poppy fight against it however she could.

Poppyamory 1: what PZ are hiding about their visit to Noehflake - An exhaustive collection of DMs preceding and following the alleged "rape by deception" in December. It completely demolishes any notion that Hayleigh did not clearly communicate how she felt about the relationship before the trip.

Spawn 1: what PZ are hiding about their kid - (also, those paying attention may have noticed it was doc 3, like I'd said 😉)

Poppy and SFW Spaces (Part 1 and Part 2) - Poppy has some weird ideas about what SFW entails, including around minors. Part 1 has several examples, part 2 looks at how they handled a situation where someone said they were uncomfortable with it.

P&Z: Abusive Hypocrites (Part 1: Milena) - My account of the conflict that ended my relationship with Poppy (and Zena). Pales in comparison to what we learn in later docs, but still contains extensive evidence of how they handle themselves in private.

Other significant posts:

Deep Cover - How I navigated going undercover with Poppy for over two and a half months.

Doc 3 is about PZ's kid - My initial announcement that I was in touch with Spawn and that I was planning on releasing a doc for them.

Does Poppy normally share private information with her mods and close friends on the server? - TLDR: yes; also confirmed by two other former mods on here.

My thoughts on Poppy's controversial kinks - TLDR let's not kinkshame the general kink, let's make sure we're being very specific with evidence-based accusations.

Poppy calling me "psychotic" in her posts - Just a shining example of one of the many behaviors that a professional therapist should know better than to indulge in.

Zena's PMDD does not excuse their behavior

Posts from others about PZ's split with Courtney Orchard and Britt:

Poppy's sexual harassment of Britt

Why they got into a fight with Courtney

What they did when things deteriorated between them and Courtney

DO NOT PEDOJACKET POPPY

Courtney on Poppy, kink, and abuse

Why you shouldn't listen to Essence of Thought about any of this

None of us were knowingly protecting Poppy

Why are you doing this?

@zenaandpoppyonyoutube are an engaged pair of content creators who have positioned themselves and their community as a safe place for neurodivergent, traumatized, emotionally vulnerable, and queer people, including specifically being a safe place for Lily Orchard's victims and fans to escape to. Poppy is a professional licensed therapist. Zena is... there.

Unfortunately, while they say the right things, what they do is a completely different matter. If you're here, you want to know more.

If you're here because of the Courtney Orchard situation, hopefully this will provide enough additional context to make their behavior in the situation make more sense, or as much sense as it can make.

I'm making this post to catalogue the most important information about this subject, including linking to relevant documents and accounts. The goal is twofold:

to protect online communities from them

to provide a space for other survivors of their abuse to feel understood and heard

Why are you waging a hate campaign against a fellow trans woman?

Because this is not a hate campaign; it's a callout of PZ's patterns of harmful and dangerous behavior. It tends to start small and then turn into something genuinely horrifying. Nobody who treats people the way that they do in private should be in any position to tell anyone what's best for their mental health, much less be regarded as authorities, role models, and community leaders.

They're not big now, but Poppy is charismatic, quick on her feet with responses, and weirdly mean-spirited sometimes; somewhat of a perfect combination for the leftist political space. Even now, I know people with friends on their server who've said that those friends have been slowly getting more bitter, judgmental, and cruel.

They have the potential to gain some real momentum. They're a toxic influence that will spread their genuinely harmful ideas about how relationships and boundaries work, particularly to younger people. While their usual content ranges from uniquely insightful to petty drama squabbles, those segments aren’t the issue. These concerns come up when they’re discussing their personal lives, sometimes even making it into their main segments and published videos.

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Why not just let this go? You know you look insane to most people, right?

Because what started as a Twitter thread responding to them taking our personal matters on stream has cascaded into me being a support contact and safe haven for fans and victims of theirs.

You might think this is petty content creator drama, but I promise you, it's so much worse. PZ are an exceptionally unwell couple who have left a trail of vulnerable people in their wake, even more broken than they were initially. This goes beyond messy break-ups; we're talking about brutal gaslighting and abuse that derails people's lives, cutting people with abandonment issues off from their friends and community, and driving partners to new depths of abuse trauma that they're left untangling for months (and years).

We're talking about familial abuse, prioritizing their own pride over the safety of abuse victims, and the relentless use of diagnoses as shields against criticisms of their behavior, including Poppy's questionable understanding of sexual boundaries and appropriateness due to her hypersexuality.

This is not just drama. I'm not being hyperbolic when I say that they've already almost killed someone, and with the kind of people that they attract, it's only a matter of time before that "almost" doesn't apply anymore.

These aren't just abusers; these are self-righteous monsters who refuse to recognize or acknowledge the damage that they continue to cause, and are skilled at twisting the narrative to match the version that makes them feel the most justified in their behaviors.

They're not going to get better. We've tried. They don't even see the problem with their behavior in the first place.

#zenaandpoppy #poppy and zena

[askbombasticblake]

Wait hold up. Patch supported a pedo?!

Alright, I'm caffeinated enough to answer this.

Strap yourselves in, folks. This is gonna be a ride.

So during my year-long mental roller coaster ride back in 2021, one of the things Shiloh confessed to me during one of my spirals was that Lily was not the first predator they had run defense for.

No, that honor goes to their college roommate, a trans/intersex (can't recall which, I just know they're not cis) woman named Tianwei (forgive my spelling). Tianwei had told them 3 things, hoping that 1 would be excused because of the other 2.

First, that she was a pedo and had pedophilic thoughts about children regularly. Second, that her parents abused her for one reason or another. And third, that she nearly died in a house fire.

Now, to most sane people, the latter two wouldn't matter, because the first is still fucking horrid. Not to Shi! They bought into Tianwei's bullshit hook, line, & sinker, and let her continue to pursue her education instead of reporting her to campus police.

In hindsight, this puts their willingness to look past both Lily and Poppy's fuckshit in a totally different light, as we now have a pattern of behavior.

Now I already know what Certain People in the Peanut Gallery are gonna say: "What about you? We heard you confessed too!" Well, let's get into that.

As a bit of background, one of the things I am very open and angry about is the fact that I was abused by multiple members of my family. Sexually (by my dad & my sister), verbally, emotionally, financially, psychologically, and most importantly, physically. I'm not just talking spanking, either. One of the most common forms of abuse I can remember from everyone in my family is them hitting me in the head as punishment/in their own fits of anger. I'm talking striking me hard enough to see stars, cause temporary deafness, and in at least two cases, smacking me hard and fast enough to lift me out of my chair.

I say that because I'm pretty sure the aforementioned physical abuse was enough to cause some form of brain damage, and at the very least has scrambled my memory to some degree. Worst case scenario, the abuse at such a young age will cause my inevitable autopsy to show that I've developed CTE. Would certainly explain some things. Anyway, back on track.

That previously mentioned scrambled memory is what caused me to THINK I had done horrible things as a teenager. However, my saving grace is the fact that my friend/brother Kaiser was in contact with me during my teenage years, and he has a much clearer memory than me. As the Twitter post pinned to my blog states, I told Kaiser EVERYTHING back then, because I wanted to seem more active than him (I was stupid and competitive, gimme a break). Because he himself said that I never told him about something that heinous, but DID tell him any time I met with older men who were grooming me online, combined with the fact that he has trusted me enough to name me the godparent of his daughter, I can safely say that my guilt and manic spirals were caused by false memories, and thus my name should be cleared.

The same cannot be said for Shiloh. Between Tianwei, Lily, and Poppy, it's clear that they have a history of defending and enabling predators when those people have something to offer them. This pattern should call into question their own history, accountability, and lack of personal responsibility going forward.

TL;DR: I got hit in the head alot & falsely accused myself, Shi is a grifter & pred enabler. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk

#ask me anything #lily orchard #poppy and zena #cte #anon ask

[poppyandzena]

Zena is disgusting. You both are terrible parents, stop minimizing the trauma you kid has been through under your care. Goes to show having a degree doesn't mean shit. Please archive this.

https://bsky.app/profile/galaxybunny.bsky.social/post/3kl6h5dpkre2f

You and Poppy traumatized that kid--ESPECIALLY you, Zena. You were so cruel to that kid to a degree that made me sick to my core, and that's from the documented stuff. I cannot even fathom what that kid saw, what they heard and how they felt to live in a house with two parents that acted like the kid was a burden for existing. They couldn't even exist in the living room and kitchen comfortably, constantly at risk of triggering YOUR unmanaged anger over the smallest things. And Poppy enabled it all.

This kid is smart as fuck and a warrior. Don't let PZ make you think they're an insolent, money hungry brat. All that kid wanted was parents who respected them, and what they got was tantamount to torture and these two sullying their name on their social media just like they do all their exes.

I have no tolerance for parents who act like this.

#poppy #poppy and zena #zena and poppy #poppy diabolique #ladydiabolique #poppy & zena #zena #zenaandpoppyonyoutube #the kid

[britts-galaxy-brain]

Hi, I'm someone from the discord server (don't hold a grudge but left for personal reasons a while back) and I'm curious what the situation with milena is? I haven't been keeping up with any of this but I got back into the p&z stuff because of lux's super comprehensive and helpful stream. Are you guys okay? Did you and some of poppy's victims have some sort of falling out?

I hope everything is alright, I followed transpersian and I always thought they were kind in the server, so I was shocked to see u guys having beef ig. Sometimes I do kinda worry about courtney because she is very blunt and can come off as combative it seems but it's her blog and i just hope everyone is alright and taking care of themselves :(

Hey it's all good.

In a nutshell, Milena has fully gone off the deep end and she's convinced herself that it's everyone else with the problem.

She's lied to people, she went back to talk to Poppy against everyone else practically begging her not to do that given her mental state at the time, she only left again because Poppy called her out for being an unhinged, obsessed liar, it's been revealed that she's the reason Anniegal (self-identified MAP) is in Poppy's discord and Milena has been helping financially support her..

On top of all that, Milena had someone we thought was a friend spying for her in Courtney's discord after people started venting about her weird behavior. Such as sending people cryptic dms (people who weren't even directly involved), harassing and doxxing a minor because she's firmly convinced the minor runs a Twitter account they have nothing to do with (the account has even reached out to confirm they aren't the minor, Milena still refuses to accept it), and willfully lying and twisting everything we've been calling her out for. Even going as far as to send people angry anons, insist they aren't her, then accidently self-report on her blog confirming they were her.

She's been running defense to cover her ass as well as the pedo's and she's really fucking mad that people found out about it. And now her and people who believe her have been throwing around accusations of "pedojacketing" as if we don't have several instances that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that she supports a pedophile and sees nothing wrong with her being allowed around minors. The story has now shifted from "Oh she's a NOMAP so it's fine because she doesn't believe in contact" to "she has POCD and you're all ableist" (she most certainly does fucking not).

#milena #anniegal #poppy #poppy and zena

[opinated-user]

I understand not wanting to give Lily ammo, but I wish the community had been more transparent about Zena and Poppy. I’m embarrassed that I supported them. Had I known about Poppy’s exs, I never would have done that.

i'm really confused as to how do you figure that we were somehow actively hiding anything. how much do you think we knew before i published the thread of that ex partner?

i was never part of P&Z's community or server because, i said many times before, i never agreed with many of their takes or the way they carry their channel by constantly going harder on POC creators than on white ones. i was never shy about that. i stopped being a subscriber a long time ago, before any of this happened, and the only content of theirs i followed since then was the streams with Courtney. if you count views as support then yes, i did supported those videos, but i never supported the rest of their channel or followed them in any social media.

i didn't research on them. i didn't went looking through the net to see what other people were saying about them. i only came to find out about the thread of that ex partner after everything with Courtney went down and after that i found out that it wasn't the only story, that other people had similar experiences. last night i discovered that Poppy particularly has a history of sexually harassing other people, which i hope i don't have to explain is beyond unacceptable.

(which is why, in the future, if you need to watch any of their videos for any reason go to my pinned post to download it and don't give them the views)

so what i should have done, exactly?

#poppy&zena

[pleasetiemyshoelaces]

thought you said i "asked" for the incest porn poppy?

does that look like me asking you for incest furry porn?

No that looks like you saying to the incest survivor right after platforming her on your channel for "survivors" (although apparently i didnt read the fine print that said "we only believe your sa if you have an incest kink")

"heres the kind of incest i like, its cute, this is cute incest. these siblings fucking each other is cute and the kind of incest i like, im into other peoples incest so i think yours is hot"

And you think posting that makes you look good? By all means keep going

because thats the SAME GROUP CHAT YOU MANIPULATED THAT PICTURE OUT OF ME WITH threaten to post that one particular picture I FUCKING DARE YOU

"im not kink shaming"

i am now

im shaming this

im shaming you

#courtney orchard #courtney peet #poppy diabolique #poppy and zena #poppyandzenaonyoutube

[pleasetiemyshoesoffenses]

Hi Courtney,

I’ll just drop my content warnings above the cut and add everything else below:

CW for this entire blog: potential mentions/discussions of abuse, manipulation, violence, and other such triggering content

Alright, let me start by saying that I am not here to white knight for Zena and Poppy. I don’t know enough about them to comment on their family, relationships, sex lives, private conduct, etc.. I sure as fuck am not going to defend Lily Orchard. She can go throat a cactus.

No, I’m here to expose the dishonesty, hypocrisy, abuse, negligence, and general misconduct of Courtney Peet (aka Courtney Orchard, aka @pleasetiemyshoe), because they’ve been having a month-long bitch fit, spewing claims that are easily proven false, and dragging innocent people into it.

I’m going to do this by using as much tangible evidence and context as possible. If I can’t substantiate a claim adequately, I will say as much in the tags. I’m not going to reveal any names aside from Courtney’s unless I have the person’s consent to do so.

Also, I might disappear from time to time and tend to my own life.

#courtney peet #courtney orchard #pleasetiemyshoe #poppy and zena #tw abuse

[bethel-rath]

My Identity

I have discovered that someone has accused me of being a Milena sock-puppet account. I want to start this post by saying that it is incorrect and a wrong way to interpret how I have been using my blog.

However, I do understand how someone can come to that conclusion. This alias is anonymized, but I would not consider it a sock puppet because I do not have any other accounts on the platform. This is my only, and primary, Tumblr account.

In fact, I did not start the account as Bethel; I started it as myself back in late February. It was only after a little bit of consideration that I changed my mind and chose to take up a mask on this platform instead of existing here as myself. There were reasons, some of which I have mentioned elsewhere. But the primary reason was that I realized I might be getting more involved in helping people such as Milena in her fight against Poppy and Zena. If that was going to happen, and I was not clearly an enemy, I should stay covert in my interactions on Tumblr.

And thus the mask of "Bethel" was born.

I did this on my own; no one else knew the identity of this Tumblr account and blog until much later. But the mask has done its purpose; I do not need it anymore.

I would rather clear the air before more false rumors spread.

Take care everyone,

Kriese aka Keira

#keira #poppy & zena #poppy #zena