#pre orome days

[silvantransthranduiltrash]

Hc in my au:

Thranduil doesn’t speak Quenya, but he does speak Primitive Quendian bc he was literally there when that was still the language used, so while he doesn’t understand exactly what people are saying when they speak in quenya, he does get the gist of it using context clues.

The thing is, no one realizes it, so sometimes some noldor elves are talking in quenya, talking shit in front of him, thinking he can’t understand them, but he can. He’s been wanting to drop that little tit bit of information forever, but he can only do it once, so it has to have the largest impact as possible.

Naturally, he replys to something galadriel said in quenya in sindarin, knowing exactly what the conversation was about, in the middle of a banquet, and he could see half the elves present go through the 5 stages of grief right then and there as galadriel reboots her systems.

#thranduil #lord of the rings #lotr #lotr elves #the hobbit #silmarillion #quenya #primitive quendian #lake cuivienen #pre orome days #4 silvan sibs au #shamelessly pushing my ‘miriel and thranduil are twins agenda’ #house of edireth

[procrastinationonvacation]

Hi there! It’s been a while. But I was thinking about the Silm and I was wondering - what’s your stance on the morality of the Valar? Sort of how much do you think they were right in the Silmarillion?

(And do you have any good headcanons for them?)

- Captain Anon

Hello! Nice hearing from you mate! How’s it going?

Hmm the valar… ok

Do I think they’re horrible trash people? No.

Do I think they should be running things? Also no.

Ok, they may or may not be doing their best here, but the facts are they aren’t infallible and the cultural(?) gap between them and the elves is too big for them to really empathize with them.

Like yeah valar are really powerful and sure they kinda have a line to Eru but we’ve seen them making bad decisions, and we know they make spur of the moment “I just feel bad for the guy” decisions. There’s no *problem* with them having authority, but I feel like the assumption that their authority should be absolute because they’re Always Right TM is what starts causing problems. Their morals are actually fairly solid in my opinion all the way through until people are being sent to valinor to appeal for aid. And their morals are decidedly against my beliefs when they’re drowning beleriand.

The drowning of beleriand is so bad in my opinion because they’re imposing their will on millions of people, only a subsection of whom asked for their help, and really just making a lot of people (potentially) die/drown because of their incompetence and refusal to listen to appeals for aid.

You don’t get to drown a continent and then stand up claiming to be the heroes.

(Pre darkening and with Feanor, I think all of what fire boy said was perfectly valid, but I don’t think it is a bad enough problem to say the valar aren’t morally justified at that point. The valar definitely should have just let them leave afterwards, but hey they’re new to this too, and I don’t think it’s right to call them bad people because of it.)

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I kinda like the Silm because it’s just a bunch of dumb fucks ruining everything with (mostly) good intentions. The valar are no exception to this. Like everyone else, they’re just fighting for their opinions to be heard and remembered, because if they don’t then no one else will. Any real *crimes* on their part are mostly the result of a huge power disparity between them and everyone else on the playing feild.

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A brief set of random thoughts:

Manwe may be in charge, but Aule is the dad friend. Makes better decisions. 90% of the impulse control. It’s a pity he couldn’t pass that on to his students. (He made the dwarves while his brain cell was on loan to Ulmo.)

Orome and yavanna are actual besties.

“Dad says it’s my turn with the people maker!”

How is it everyone got to do like… magic elements control and Namos just sitting there running a bed and breakfast. Why.

This is just Melkor’s goth phase. The void is like being sent to his room. Buddy’s gonna grow out of it in a bit, move on with his life and the only memories of his beleriand days will be embarrassing pics in the family photo album.

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Thanks for the ask captanon, it’s always wonderful hearing from you!

#Asks #captain anon #come bother me if I went on a random tangent #the valar #Also I’m on my phone please excuse my spelling

[hildorien]

I am in the minority but I’d love to know more about the pre-noldor elvish edain culture, history, and just life. 

I wanna know more about men in the context of men, I wanna see history through human eyes without the elvish perspective. 

I wanna know the full experiences of all humans in middle earth not the ones the elves interacted with. And if you have to have elves, I wanna hear about what humans thought of elves that isnt ‘oh they are so perfect and amazing and beautiful uwu’, because that’s kind of boring and we can all agree first age elves? on the whole? pretty shitty. (I love em but they have one brain cell to share among them and fuck up on the regular). 

I wanna see Humans who were born into a dumpster fire that is the world of arda, these are a people who didn’t get Orome leading them to heaven on earth, they got Morgoth. These are a people who lived in Morgoth’s land for centuries who probably experienced horror and oppression from basically their species infancy. Unlike the elves of valinor, or even the Sindarin protected by Melian, horror and despair would have not been their abnormal, it would be their everyday.  But they aren’t broken, they survive. They make families, connections, lives in this wasteland. They adapt and change, because I think in some ways that is the race of men’s true advantage over elves. That we don’t have a gap on our ‘greatness’ persay, humanity’s ambitions get’s mutated into greed a lot (I mean numenor is a dumspter fire for a reason) but I think that human ambition is a strength because it means we don’t accept our circumstances. The Edian sure didn’t. 

The edain, the Boerians, the people of haleth, and the hadorians, all marched themselves out of morgoth’s land hoping for something better, with NO GUARANTEE they find anything better.  But they still did it. And while we are here, let’s talk about how the race of men has not guarantee of anything, like elves (and dwarves) kind of know where they end up. They go to Mandos and get reborn, they go to aule, respectively. Men...don’t have that. Men really didn’t get anything (but Morgoth and suffering). They leave this world forever, thats what they know. Thats what they are told. 

But no one knows what the means. (Personally, I think its like a good place situation kind of. Eru is just michael and turin is janet) 

But anyway back to the POINT, (if there ever was one) the edain end up finding beleriand but beleriand isn’t the paradise they wanted. But hey, its not morgoth so let’s celebrate said the beorians before promptly getting found by finrod. And look elves did a lot of good for humans, but I also think there is this really bad dynamic of elves holding all the power and men just being in it for the ride. 

Ive made the joke that the elves of the first age are kind of like the edian’s sugar daddies but it’s kind of true. They give them land and like ‘wisdom’ (whatever the fuck that means) and in return men give them their ever increasing numbers. The Silm is a very elven story we don’t really get a lot of human, but when we do I think it’s pretty interesting. Because the relationship between Elves and Men is really uneven in the first age...and all ages even though in later ages forces of men like numenor at their height could I think easily sweep the floor with the elves of the second age combined. I think culturally Elves give a lot more, like men end up picking up their language, though im one hundred percent sure human languages didn’t die out and never do, humans must have shit talked elves a LOT in taliska (oh yes, that is the name of at least the language spoken by the hadorians and beorians, the people of haleth spoke a different dialect) and I think a lot of humans give more in resources (aka men, power, infantry). I mean personally if I was having at a guess I don’t think (as the latecomers) men got very many places to actually farm and have good land and relied on elvish goods to survive. I think this unevenness kind of spurred this idea that ‘elvishness = superior’, so to make this full circle I think a lot of pre edain culture was lost to make place for diet pepsi version of elf culture that we see human cultures like numenor and gondor have, because that’s better than their orn because elves are SPECIal BETTER AND DON’T DIE LIKE US BROKEN AND FALLEN PEOPLE.  ((screams)) 

Okay let’s talk about the death thing. Human and Mortal and Men all mean the same thing, humans die is not a statement that should be up for debate. But the humans of edain, at least from what we see of Andreth is that this was not how it always was. Humans were once immortal like the elves until they were bad and listened to morgoth and then they became mortal and all sick and ew. 

yeahhhh, I don’t think thats true. I think in-universe its a great myth. I love finrod ah andreth for this reason (also andreth is tolkien’s best female character he ever created and the fact that she’s not in the published silm is why we are in the bad timeline) , but I think humans...always were mortal. 

And thats okay. 

We talked about human ambition above, I think that is fueled by the fact that we all die. We have a timer, so we have to do things now, and that’s not a bad mindset to have. I think it gets humjans into trouble but also, imagine your a human in beleriand, you have children, a family, they might have children someday you want to do what you need to do to make sure THEY have a chance. 

(also lets talk about the fucked up fact that humans are punished for lsitening to morgoth in the first place like im sorry that humans didnt have any other valar looking for them, there was no orome, no fucking chance that they could have met anyone else because no valar came for them only morgoth with his lies so yes humans are bad for listening to the only god like entity that seemed like he wanted to help them, the elves did that too but they had nice gods so they are wise while humans who have illness and sickness and death over their heads listen to a guy with power okay jirt i see your double fuckig stnarad and its STUPID) 

And you can’t wait for that chance, so you leap. I think this is best illustrated by Turin of all people. Turin gets called elvish a lot in looks but in actions, he, like most of his family, are allllllllll human. The bridge in nargothrand even though it’s stupid and ends up horribly kind of reminds me of this. Turin doesn’t have time to wait like Gwindor, and Orodreth, etc do. his people have already been fucking disomated, he’s lost his father, his mother is trapped in enemy territory.  He wants to help. 

Sure it blows up in his face, but yknow...the want to do good is there. 

I think on the whole humans get a bad rep...like they’re called stupid and dumb and ugly by both fandom and in universe elves alike. But I don’t think that’s the case. Humans have a lot more balls and have collectively been through more trauma as a species than I think all of the elves (especially valinorian) elves combined. I think when humans fuck up, whether it be turin or numenor, it’s proof of their incompetence, that their inante (eru-given ability) to have ambition to seek beyond the world they live in for something better for something more is evil and they should be more like the elves, stagnant, already at the height of ‘perfection’, never changing....instead of being humans. Like look at these fools trying to act like than can be GOOD at something, sit down and let these elves be best at everything obviously. How many of you would look at me funny if I said, maybe the race of men was BETTER THAN THE ELVES AT SOMETHING? A lot of you im sure, and someone would have a rebuttle for how I was wrong and how this elf was considered the best. 

(like that post going around how could turin actually be #that pretty to thot his way through all of beleriand? Maybe he just Was like that, sure he may have a little elvish ness but honestly I think that be a funny thing elves say to cover up the fact some elves found a icky human was actually just that fucking hot, because obviously humans could never be that actually hot ever, not to intangle a sindarin mast of a guard, a NOLDORIAN VANYAR-DESSCENT PRINCESS, ect) 

Also just to go back to numenor, ever want an example of why it doesnt work for men to act like elves...look at numenor, early numenor was as elvish as humans could produce....but then they got bored. And then numneor became an empire and everyone eventually had so much of a bad time, eru reshaped the fucking world just to wipe the valar’s ‘humans but better’ ocs off the face of the planet. Like just to stray off topic I personally think men can’t go to valinor 1) because the two trees are actually nuclear, and the whole damn island is chernobyl instant death right there and thats why the valinor elves are like #that (they GLOW for gods shake) 2) the monotonous never changing perfection of valinor while amazing in the short term for humans would eventually drive them crazy. Not to say that the race of men doesn’t like some peace and quite or even humans (like myself) can be obverse to change, even I can admit doing the same thing ever day would drive me crazy. 

This got super rambly, but its been a lot of thoughts Ive been having for a long ass time. Basically, I just want people to talk to me about the atani, edian, race of men, whatever you want to call them. They deserve a lot better and a lot more respect than just playing a supporting role to the elves. 

They didn’t kill all those dragons to be ignored like this. 

#silmarillion #race of men #what ye do in the dark #tea with milk #not undercut because I want you people to READ this #please validate meeee #silm #edain #atani #i have a lot of feeling about humans in an elf world....

[exercise-of-trust]

hi yeah does anyone have any fucking clue how pre-darkening valinor worked

do the trees just. not produce heat? how the fuck does something light up an entire continent but not torch everything in its immediate vicinity. if middle-earth is still dark i assume there’s some decrease in intensity over distance but to what extent and why and how does it affect visibility and temperature in coastal areas? is all of valinor a magical uniform temperature? are the permanently shaded areas behind mountains and stuff cooler? do people routinely move from place to place just to experience a different climate? 

obviously unless there’s some determined cyclical dimming of the trees you’re not going to have earth-like cycles of summer and winter. which then raises the question of how plants even function in this environment; do they bear fruit year-round and if not what determines those cycles? as a farmer do you plant everything at the same time and wait or do you stagger it so that nothing is ever “out of season”? a lot of human festivals revolve around harvests and seasonal changes but do you just have. regularly scheduled festivities for no reason in their place?

when you need more resources for something do you just ask one of the resident gods in charge of that thing to create more of it? if you want something sculpted from a ten-by-ten-by-twenty-foot block of pure emerald do you just present your proposal to aule and wait for him to approve it? if you need textiles but none of the existing fibers are cutting it do you just fill out some paperwork requesting the creation of a new species? do you just work with what you have? obviously the existence of orome implies that hunting is a Thing but do animals and plants die of age in the undying lands? or do they just live forever until they’re killed? is selective breeding a thing?

jirt i know you weren’t interested in the gory details of day-to-day life when you made this place but it’s extremely difficult to write about anything happening inside it. 

#if the silm were written by anyone else i'd be able to just say 'folklore! myth! personification of natural forces!' #but no when this sort of shit is being written by elves who LIVED THERE #who SAW IT #i don't know how i'm supposed to say 'metaphor' to that #i'm just kind of Carefully Avoiding the entire question of what happens when you make the transition from trees to the sun and moon #fuck that fuck that i'm not touching it #fuck #gen

[silvantransthranduiltrash]

Hc that saying the elves were “found” by Orome is just the politically correct way of saying “Orome was ambushed by the elves bc they thought he was the dark rider and held hostage until he managed to convince them that he was not”.

It’s still a point of embarrassment for Orome to this day, and the other vala never let him forget it.

#lord of the rings #silmarillion #lotr #the hobbit #lotr elves #pre orome days #Orome #valar #finwe #miriel #feanor #elwe

[silvantransthranduiltrash]

When the elves first met Orome:

Orome: *explaining everything to the elves, including eru and the valar*

The elves: so what i’m hearing is: we finally have someone to blame when things go wrong.

Orome:

Orome: i guess technically-

#lord of the rings #lotr #silmarillion #the hobbit #lotr elves #incorrect tolkien quotes #silm incorrect quotes #incorrect lotr quotes #pre orome days #orome #finwe #ingwe #elwe #olwe

[silvantransthranduiltrash]

Where did the dead elves go before orome discovered the elves?

Bc if they went to the halls of mandos, then Mandos probably would have been aware of their existence, but he wasn’t?

Therefore: the elves that died before orome discovered the elves either A: were waiting for mandos to notice them, either as ghosts or in a sort of celestial waiting room.

Or B: went to a different afterlife all together.

#or i forgot smth in the text that explained what happened to those elven souls #halls of mandos #dead elves #pre orome days #tolkien meta #lord of the rings #lotr #silmarillion #lotr elves #the hobbit

[silvantransthranduiltrash]

The -we’s are all the friends who you would call if you murdered someone and you need help hiding the body. They might bitch about it, but they know all the tricks in the book.

They’re all lowkey pissed that they can’t act unhinged now that they’re royalty.

Finwe: *holding court with all the noble noldor elves*

Also finwe: *crouched behind a dumpster* *cell phone in hand* hey, i need help. We have a code “dead body” and i need clean up and an alibi stat.

Ingwe, standing next to him covered in blood, absolutely no fucks to give: i also want a coffee.

Olwe, on the other side of the phone: Guys, again?

Elwe, laughing in the background: oh my god-

#lasgen would be the one who ki**ed sm1 #and doesn’t need help hiding the body #lord of the rings #lotr #silmarillion #the hobbit #lotr elves #finwe #ingwe #elwe #olwe #miriel and thranduil babysat the we’s when the we’s were kids #cuivienen elves are all crazy #pre orome days #ingwe finwe elwe and olwe: *becomes the leader of their respective people* this was not the plan

[silvantransthranduiltrash]

Ingwe, Finwe, and Elwe, telling all the elves at lake cuivienen about the trees of light after their excursion to valinor: -and there were these 2 gigantic trees, biggest thing we’ve ever seen, and they shone light so bright it lite up so much land, like even more area than the entire lake. It was so bright, i saw colors that i didn’t know even existed-

Cuivienen elf: wait, so it gave off so much light, like more than our bonfires, to the point i would be able to see someone on the other side of the lake???

Ingwe, elwe, and finwe: Yeah!

Cuivienen elf: that sounds horrible!

Ingwe, elwe, and finwe: …

Cuivienen elf: bonfires already give me a headache, normal fires already hurt my eyes, and you telling me there’s a pair of gigantic trees over there that could light up my innards if i stood close enough??? Hell no, i’m out.

#you can’t tell me that the brightness of the trees wasn’t a turn off to elves who’ve spent their entire life in darkness #ingwe #elwe #finwe #pre orome days #lord of the rings #lotr #lotr elves #silmarillion #incorrect tolkien quotes #silm incorrect quotes #incorrect lotr quotes

[silvantransthranduiltrash]

Hc that Primitive Quendian (PQ) has a lot of gender neutral terms, and that things like “god” and “king” and “master” in PQ weren’t gendered words the way they are now, so both elleth and ellons would be refered to as “king”, “master”, etc, but as time went on and the language evolved to quenya and sindarin, those words did become gendered, so they were translated as male. The same thing happened with PQ words that mean “damsel” and “slut” and “queen”, which became words associated as female.

And long story short, a lot of stories that were created in PQ were translated to have male heros and female love interests, when in reality the heroes of an epic were pretty diverse across all genders.

In fact, there’s a story called “Swode i Dall” in PQ, which roughly translates to “the swordmaster and the damsel” which is a pretty basic heroic romance about the swordmaster, who always saved the damsel in distress, no matter how many times the damsel got themself into trouble, and it was assumed the swordmaster is an ellon and the damsel is and elleth bc of the respective words becoming more gendered. But in reality the swordmaster in the epic is an elleth, who was specifically based off of Miriel, and the damsel is an Ellon based off of Finwe, and these genders actually make more sense given the context of the story, but it never even crossed many elves’ mind that swordmaster and damsel weren’t gender indications as they were translating the story from PQ into Quenya and Sindarin. The story was actually created bc bby finwe had a massive crush on the strong Miriel and would not go to sleep without the story.

And long story short, there’s a story about Finwe and Miriel in PQ that Feanor has no idea about bc elves got the genders wrong when it was translated.

#everyone was more concerned about describing and naming jobs than they were about gender #primitive quendian #quenya #sindarin #tolkien languages #elvish #pre orome days #feanor #finwe #miriel #give miriel a personality 2023 #finwe x miriel #miriel therinde #headcannon obviously #lord of the rings #lotr #lotr elves #silmarillion

[silvantransthranduiltrash]

What if Finwe, Ingwe, and Olwe all had secret passages within their castles?

And only they, and the builders/elves that grew up in beriliand knew about it?

They don’t hid it out of malice, or anything, but the valinor born elves don’t appreciate the benefit of having secret escape passages bc they’ve never needed it.

And, low-key, any remnants of when the elves still lived in beriliand pre-orome ends up taking space within these secret passages/rooms, so it’s like it doesn’t even exist for those who don’t know to look for it.

Idk, i think it would be interesting if the beliriand born elves just have dozens of secret tunnels throughout the castles stuffed to the brim with their history in order to keep it safe, only for it to be left forgotten by them, except for when one of these elves wants to remember their times before meeting the valar.

Also, can you imagine finwe one day whipping open one of these secret passages in front of his kids/grandkids and going: and this was Miriel’s sword, and this was my spear, and these were some common clothing items, and this was to bash the face in of any orc that came a bit to close-

Meanwhile feanor, nolofinwe, etc are standing there gapping at all this history and knowledge that they didn’t know existed one measly wall away from where they grew up.

Feanor: what do you mean my mom had a sword?

Finwe: not just a sword; a collection of swords. She was considered the best swords elf of her time.

Feanor: WHAT-

#lord of the rings #lotr #silmarillion #the hobbit #lotr elves #incorrect tolkien quotes #incorrect lotr quotes #finwe #miriel #silm incorrect quotes #feanor #sons of feanor #nolofinwe #ingwe #olwe #pre orome days #there are secret passages within the valinor castles change my mind #miriel was a boss ass bitch #strongest swords elf Miriel

[silvantransthranduiltrash]

A noldo meets lasgen, and notes that her hair is shoulder length and looks like feanor’s: what, are you a feanorian sympathetic too? Do you idolize that crazy as well?

Lasgen:

Lasgen: first of all, i’ve been wearing my hair like this since before finwe knew what sex was.

Lasgen: second of all, feanor’s crazy got nothing on mine.

#lasgen #lasgen supremacy #lasgen is legolas’s eldest sister #4 silvan sibs au #shamelessly pushing my ‘miriel and thranduil are twins agenda’ #house of edireth #lord of the rings #lotr #lotr elves #silmarillion #the hobbit #legolas #thranduil #incorrect tolkien quotes #silm incorrect quotes #incorrect hobbit quotes #incorrect lotr quotes #pre orome days

[silvantransthranduiltrash]

Imagine (headcannon, obviously): age of the trees

Pre-orome elf, peacefully strolling through fermanos: this place is so peacefu- WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT!?!

Feanor, who is re-inventing the sword after they were discontinued after they arrived in valinor: look, it’s only to defend ourselves-

Pre-orome elf, gagging: that THING is an ABOMINATION to the craft of swordself ship, just looking at it makes me wanna HURL, holy shit that thing is abhorrent-

Feanor: uhhh

Pre-orome elf: what?? Did you think a sword was simply a long piece of pointy metal with a sharp edge??? Your ancestors would be ashamed of this hunk of junk. Absolutely not.

Feanor: what-

Pre-orome elf: and you call yourself the son of Miriel “strongest swords elf” Therinde?!? Someone failed you child-

(Ps. I’m a firm believer that feanor had only a vague idea od what a sword was in the beginning)

(Pps. Miriel Therinde was the best swords elf before valinor and i will be taking no notes. With a son like feanor, she can have more than 1 craft)

#lord of the rings #silmarillion #lotr #the hobbit #lotr elves #finwe #miriel #feanor #sons of feanor #incorrect lotr quotes #silm incorrect quotes #incorrect tolkien quotes #pre orome days #give miriel a personality 2023 #Miriel ‘strongest swordself Therinde #headcannon

[silvantransthranduiltrash]

The real reason Ingwe, Elwe, and Finwe went to scope out valinor:

A prank they played on Lasgen: Gone Wrong

Lasgen: *absolutely murderous and hunting them down as we speak*

Finwe, Ingwe, and Elwe: *huddled up in a hidden corner, going over their options*

Finwe: suggestions?

Ingwe: i mean running away, obviously

Finwe: that’s where i was going with that-

Elwe: i’m cool with “running away” really

Finwe: and how far should we run away?

Elwe: quite a long way.

Finwe: and how soon?

Inwe: Now?

Finwe and Elwe: Now.

#they refused to come back until lasgen calmed down #thranduil and miriel babysat the we’s #lasgen and the -we’s are best friends #shamelessly pushing my ‘miriel and thranduil are twins agenda’ #house of edireth #none of these tags make sense unless you know my au #if gou’re curious: click on them; there’s more content #lord of the rings #lotr #lotr elves #silmarillion #incorrect tolkien quotes #silm incorrect quotes #incorrect lotr quotes #pre orome days #lake cuivien

[silvantransthranduiltrash]

*Lasgen, Finwe, Elwe, Olwe, and Ingwe are tasked with getting information from an orc stronghold, but they need to get past the guards first*

Finwe: So what's your plan for getting past those guys?

Lasgen: Live bait.

Olwe: *nodding* Good idea.

Finwe, realizing: Hey!

Elwe: Come on, Finwe! You guys have to create a diversion.

Finwe: What do you want me to do, dress in drag and do the hula?

♪ dadadadum dadum dum! ♪

Finwe, with only shoes and a skirt on and a flower necklace: Luau! *starts strumming the ukulele*

Olwe, in the same boat as finwe: *drumming on a drum*

Finwe: ♪ If you're hungry for a hunk of fat and juicy meat, eat my buddy Olwe here because he is a treat. Come on down and dine on this tasty elf. All you have to do is get in line. Are you achin?♪

Olwe: ♪ Yep, yep, yep. ♪

Finwe: ♪ For some bacon? ♪

Olwe: ♪ Yep, yep, yep. ♪

Lasgen, ingwe, and Elwe: *holding in their laughter as they sneak past the orcs*

Finwe: ♪ He's a big elf. ♪

Olwe: ♪ Yep, yep. ♪

Finwe: ♪ You could be a big elf too! ♪

Finwe and Olwe: *strike a pose* ♪ Oi!

Orcs: *charging*

Finwe and olwe, still half naked: AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH-

Lasgen, Ingwe, and Elwe: *chocking* *almost dying of laughter as the group runs off*

Lasgen: *wheezing* i’m never gonna let them live that down!

#lord of the rings #lotr #silmarillion #the hobbit #lotr elves #incorrect tolkien quotes #incorrect lotr quotes #finwe #silm incorrect quotes #elwe #olwe #ingwe #lasgen #thranduil and miriel babysat the we’s #pre orome days

[silvantransthranduiltrash]

While Finwe, Ingwe, Elwe, and Olwe are all Noldo, Vanya, Sinda, and Teleri respectively, it’s extremely important to me that they are also primarily Cuivienen elves, bc growing up in cuivienen culture, whatever it may be, would mean that certain noldo/vanya/teleri/sinda norms and cultural aspects aren’t as inherent in them as they would be in their children.

#lord of the rings #lotr #silmarillion #the hobbit #lotr elves #pre orome days #lake cuivinen #cuivienen elves #finwe #ingwe #elwe #olwe #tolkien meta