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[loyaltykask]

SUN PARAMITA!!

I made Paramita, the first born, off Hero is Back 2015 Wukong. I thought that HiB Wukong gave off great Big Brother vibes.

Paramita is based off (fire) and (fire) when it comes to the 5 elements and the 8 trigrams. He is Red and I've made him to look nearly identical to Wukong. He has a deep Copper fur but he has a long wavy main that reaches beyond his waist. He's a BUFF dude, and is def the warrior of the family. He takes his whole as being the first prince very seriously and considers himself the most responsible of his siblings, taking on the most royal duties so that his younger sibs could enjoy themselves.

As a young kid he really looked up to his father and still does but he does come off as a ruler follower and a bit more intense than needed. He wanted to grow up to be just like Wukong even when he wasn't sure what that included. He puts his dad on a pedestal which strains their relationship as he wants to be like his dad but also resets how he is never going to be his own individual person but always "the monkey king's son." And what makes it worse he feels guilty for his resentment because he loves his dad and his dad loves him so he chooses to never talk about his feelings and just buries them until perhaps a very emotional confrontation.

He has a self-sacrificing nature that he feels he has to be perfect for the family. As the oldest (despite them all being the same age) he felt he needed to be the responsible one and therefore took on his training in combat the most seriously. He tries desperately to give all a laid-back attitude to imitate his dad but honestly, he is an anxious mess one minor inconvenience away from a breakdown.

He's a sweet boy that is too mature for his age and grew up too fast. Wukong worries about him a lot as he wants his boy to feel comfortable to be himself. Also he looks up to Shancai a lot because while his siblings see Paramita as the oldest, Paramita sees Red Boy as his own big sibling that he can rely on.

Nature - Fire, Glow   火 Huǒ

Trigram Line - ☲ 101

Obtained Images - 中虛 Hollow Middle

Personality - Sovereignty

Personality 性 - the Clinging, radiance

Stage/ state - clinging, clarity, adaptable

Action - Love

Attribute - light-giving, humane "dependence"

Meaning 意義 麗 - Rapid movement, radiance, the sun, pulsing motion, radiance, the luminaries

Stone - Ruby

Flower - Crimson

Chinese Zodiac - Snake

Animal - 雉 pheasant

Planet - Mars

Houtian Bagua's Solstices and Equinoxes - Summer Equinox Vermillion Bird

#jttw #journey to the west #jtts #supplement journey to the west #sjttw #journey to the south #paramita #sun wukong #supplement to the journey to the west #monkey king #jttw au #su paramita

[the-monkey-ruler]

Dong Yue is such a troll because from the wiki I got this

At the end of the novel, the author lists twelve hypothetical questions that a reader might ask and answers them. Some of the answers are very similar in nature and, sometimes, contradictory.

The eighth asks how it's possible for Monkey to have a wife and children. He states that the book is simply a dream.

Since the Supplement is about Wukong’s desires, it would be funny if Wukong subconsciously thought Princess Iron Fan was pretty and that Demon Bull King didn’t deserve her (therefore uncle) and that she’d make a good mom for his 5 sons that he also apparently desired? Wukong desiring Tang to be a warlord though XD

Anyway bad timeline where everyone is OOC because it’s a fever dream sounds crazy awesome I wish I could read it.

Sometimes people are all about allegories, and nothing about substance! Which nothing wrong as long as it is entertaining. I do like how he anticipated the question because he knew himself, but he didn't explain them well enough. Also that Red Boy also doesn't exist in the book as it was said that these were Princess Iron Fan's first kids so its like Wukong willed Red Boy from ever existing as well! THAT IS FUNNY! He wanted a big family and no annoying nephew! Nooooo!

But you can read it actually it’s in English!

Here’s a link!

You are going to make a profile but still. Even comes with audio options if you want it out loud.

Have fun with the crazy fever dream!

While I will admit it is absolutely insane. I myself hope one day to have a script of how to make it into something of substance because I think there is a lot to work with. Time travel and inter-dimensional transportation aren't anything new but to know that this was one of the first 'time travel' books out there is pretty fun! It’s somewhere between a dream and a nightmare, where the dreams become so intense that they just go overboard. I feel like nowadays a lot could be played with, especially with how to look into what Wukong really wants and what he is willing to do to take it when in the middle of his journey. Like to measure himself mentally where he has changed from being willing to do anything in his power to get what he wants verse actually seeing the consequences of his desire affecting those around him that he has grown to care about and how their lives are ruined as well.

Sanzang becoming a general probably is too farfetched but the idea is that he becoming controlled by a Evil King because Wukong left and Sanzang lost his way. Now THAT can be interesting. Bajie tries to go back to Gao but as expected by rejected and thus he also joins the Evil Army. THAT is a cool take. Wujing being lost in all this and going back to hire hermit lifestyle, THAT IS SAD. BaiLong been forever, forgotten by his family and force the roam the Earth has a horse. THAT IS ALSO SO SAD. I don't know why people look any further for angst when if this story could be put in a more cohesive manner without the loose plot point or useless quests could be an interesting introspective of Wukong's desires have how they have changed from what he thought he wants versus what he wants now.

I do feel like a lot of the takes are more out of character but that is what makes it kind of scary and a bad timeline way. To think that because you (Wukong) can push people to new means. Maybe Wukong just wanted a big family before and missed his monkey, projecting that onto Princess Iron Fan who is deprived of both a son and husband and he understood that missing family. And maybe he feels responsible for both Bajie and Wujing on his journey to keep them together else they lose their ways and just go back to being forgotten criminals of heaven, nothing better than canon fodder. And his greatest fear of Sanzang losing his way... and becoming more like him. Choosing violence as the real answer to his problems, similar to Wukong. Any little desire he wished for Sanzang to be "more like him" taken to the extreme of him being a general sending out armies.

And it's that image of King Paramita, his desire for a family verse General Sanzang, his desire for Sanzang to be stronger (or rather just a little bit crueler to their enemies) being forced to confront each other in the climax!

Like I said there are a lot of wishy-washy side quests in the middle that really lead nowhere and are more of a commentary of the times and certain historical figures but there CAN be a lot of interesting plot points that could be SO MUCH FUN to play with! Wukong is always some of the first to say that he is a monk that left the family but maybe he still has that desire to be more than a grandpa to his monkeys and he a family man, but is that worth the cost of the friends he made along the way? I like to think that a lot of dreams are more his distorted desires which is what a lot of the book is. He even meets himself in a human form in the book which helps him out of his red strong of desire to help see reason.

It is only at the end when he sees the son he never knew kill Sanzang does he lose his mind, going into his giant form as he tries to destroy everything around him in a second.

But he can't.

Because he finally starts to wake up.

And when he sees that Fake Fish coming in as their "new" fellow disciples.

Man does NOT hesitate to snap his neck for messing with his dreams like that.

Have to admit that is definitely one way to end a story! But why anyone that is interested I definitely recommend it a read if anyone has the time!

#anonymous #anon #anon ask #jttw #journey to the west #sjttw #supplement to journey to the west #sorry i kinda went off on this book! #I just really loved certain idea that it gave! #Also love the idea of Wukong always battling his inner self #And that Wukong does have these moments of wishing things were different on the journey and that things were simpler #That he is unhappy with how things are #The grass is always greener on the other side kind of plot #Wukong seeing how the world is in fake WORSE OFF without him #and how him on the journey with these people who he thinks don't appreciate him actually need him so much #and how he kinda needs them to #And that maybe he really does make a difference in the world because maybe it isn't all that bad and maybe he is doing something good with #what he has #I know Im cherry picking this book BUT TRUST ME I GOT IT FROM THIS #Def not as good as I am explaining it but... I felt a lot of emotions when reading it at least. #ask

[loyaltykask]

Made some pictures of Paramita and Xiaotian cause I thought they would get along.

Paramita sees him as a younger brother, esp when he sees that his father cares a lot for his young successor.

#jttw #lmk #lego monkie kind #monkie kid #paramita #supplement journey to the west #sjttw

[loyaltykask]

I made a fanfic about the non-canon kids for Supplement JTTW, JTTS, and PJTTW!

I do wanna say that I started the chapters with Wukong being mostly inspired by 1996 Xiyouji dynamics and who Wukong is mostly based on. The first chapters are about Paramita and the four unnamed kids in Supplement! All named after paramitas in buddism.

I try to base each kid off one of Wukong's inspirations in media! I hope y'all enjoy!

I'm not the best artist but I did have fun trying to draw them

Pink - Jnana, fifth born

Red - Paramita, first born

Yellow - Bala, fourth born

Green - Pranidhana, thrid born

Blue - Upaya - second born

#jttw #journey to the west #xiyouji #supplement journey to the west #journey to the south #jtts #sjttw #post journey to the west #pjttw #paramita #sun paramita #jidu #louhou #yuebei xing #sun luzhen #luzhen #sun wukong #monkey king #zhu bajie #sha wujing #tang sanzang #mon tripitaka #princess iron fan #red boy #demon bull king #guanyin #supplement to the journey to the west

[loyaltykask]

I wanna say that I LOVE the art from friends made over my Paramita I love it and can't be more thankful!!

#paramita #jttw #journey to the west #supplement journey to the west #sjttw #journey to the south #jtts

[loyaltykask]

Made this to show how the quintuplets' power dynamics work! The Supplement children are based on the Five Chinese Elements, both in their designs and their powers.

Generating cycle (相生 xiāngshēng) is:

Wood feeds Fire

Fire produces Earth (ash, lava)

Earth bears Metal (geological processes produce minerals)

Metal collects Water (water vapor condenses on metal)

Water nourishes Wood (Water flowers, plants and other changes in forest)

Weakening cycle (相洩/相泄 xiāngxiè) is:

Wood depletes Water

Water rusts Metal

Metal impoverishes Earth (erosion, destructive mining of minerals)

Earth smothers Fire

Fire burns Wood (forest fires)

Destructive cycle (相克 xiāngkè) or Overacting cycle (相乘 xiāngchéng) is:

Wood grasps or stabilizes or depletes Earth (roots of trees can prevent soil erosion/depletion of nutrients in soil, over-farming, over-cultivation)

Earth contains or directs or obstructs Water (dams or river banks/over-damming)

Water dampens or regulates or extinguishes Fire

Fire melts or refines or shapes Metal (affecting its integrity)

Metal chops or carves Wood (makes it rigid to easily snap)

Counteracting cycle (相侮 xiāngwǔ or 相耗 xiānghào) is:

Wood dulls Metal

Metal de-energizes Fire (conducting heat away)

Fire evaporates Water

Water muddies or destabilizes Earth

Earth rots Wood (buried wood rots)

#jttw #journey to the west #supplement journey to the west #sjttw #journey to the south #jtts #paramita #sun paramita #upaya #pranidhana #bala #jnana #supplement to the journey to the west #wuxing #fire #water #wood #metal #earth #heaven #mountain #jttw ocs #this is for my non-canon kids fanfic on ao3

[the-monkey-ruler]

how in the dream novel does wk have 5 sons with pif but the first son never met him?

Considering that it is a dream it doesn't make much sense, perhaps there could be an argument that Wukong just met with Princess Iron Fan after each child was born and didn't intact with them personally. Which would be quite strange but this is supposed to be the "bad timeline" kind of universe so perhaps it was to kinda follow that?

Personally, I have a headcanon that is far less likely but one I enjoy far more.

That being they were quintuplets.

Like Wukong just knocked her up once in her tummy and that was it, he would like child support from afar but like never really really wanted kids. That to me is 1. Funnier to think he only jumped in her belly once and has like 5 kids now and 2. goes with the wackiness of the dream-like realm. There is a very low chance that anyone would think to have five kids at once even in fiction but to me, Wukong having quintuplets off the bat in a bad dream is peak comedy.

#anonymous #anon #anon ask #jttw #journey to the west #xiyouji #supplement to journey to the west #sjttw #king paramita #paramita #sun wukong #ask

[the-monkey-ruler]

A Supplement to the Journey to the West is so hetero lol. I swear it was written by a fan who thought it was weird that Monkey had no love interests in the original story.

Funny thing... I really love Supplement XD

Like I KNOW it is insane and anyone that has read it knows it much more like... Alice in Wonderland kind of storytelling rather than anything coherent. Location change on a whim, people come and go out of nowhere, and it's more of a bunch of symbolism tighten put together than anything like a trusted narrative.

Even Wukong being married to Princess Iron Fan is just more symbolism of him having to deal with his desire and the end villain supposedly being a demon made of the same stone as Wukong but as an Evil Fish... like... you can't just add on 'oh by the way, Wukong has a long-lost fish brother.'

If anything I find the story fascinating that it practically shows an alternative universe of 'what ifs' and impossible feats. Yama is dead. Time travel is a thing. Heaven has fallen to earth. Tripitaka is a general in an army. Wukong impersonating the Six-Eared Macaque..... THERE IS SO MUCH GOING ON AND IT'S ACTUALLY REALLY FUN IF YOU CAN GET WITH IT. The idea that Wukong marries Princess Iron Fan because he knocked her up BY JUMPING IN HER STOMACH is so MIND BOGGLING. Also Red Son just... doesn't exist. It says Princess Iron Fan as NO other children from Demon Bull King and even Wukong is confused because he KNOWS he fought her child.

And if you know the story then you know... it's all a dream/illusion made by a demon trying to eat Tripitaka and honestly, it sounds more like Wukong's nightmare than a dream.

And there are earlier interpretations of Sun Wukong before Wu Cheng'en made his final draft in the 1600s, one of those being Sun Xingzhe from Zaju Xiyou ji by Yang Jingxian who was known for being much lustier and having a wife Princess Golden Cauldron. He also had four other siblings as well. While this never made it in Wu Cheng'en's draft there was a lot more versions of monkey yao before the creation of Journey to the West.

I take it a lot more like modern media whenever a movie or a show tries to give one of the pilgrims a love interest. In many, if not most cases they die... rip. But it is that kinda 'what if' scenarios more for the sake of entertainment or trying to flesh out an already fully fledged character. I doubt SJTTW is meant to try to emulate JTTW the same way modern media doesn't try to claim Sun Wukong would actually have a partner as he has shown no interest in romance within the novel. Romance is left more to Zhu Bajie~

#jttw #supplement to journey to the west #sjttw #anon ask #anonymous #anon #I love the idea of Wukong be plop in an alternate universe that he has no business in like #its like that one nick cage movie but with Wukong #Honestly wish they made a sjttw movie #and just as insane as the book #I dont want a coherent moment in that film #Nothing but Wukong being confused for 95% of the time like the audiecne #ask

[the-monkey-ruler]

Do historians consider the dream supplementary to be part of journey to the west canon? Or is it like fanfic?

Well.... neither really!

Supplement is not considered canon in that it was isn't written by Wu Cheng'en in 1592. Rather it was written by Dong Yue in 1640 nearly a hundred years later. Wu Cheng'en was able to unify many of the monkey legends surrounding Sun Wukong (being inspired by other legends as well) into a dominant literature piece making it the new 'canon' at least when talking about Sun Wukong in regard to Journey to the West. However other people are still allowed to write and use the character as there isn't any 'ownership' over using folklore characters in other works though Dong Yue seems to make it clear in his story that he is using the Journey to the West cast in his own story.

But I cannot say it is fanfiction as that implies that this was made for his own sake of entertainment but he PUBLISHED this story. It was a creation of his own that was inspired by JTTW, yes, but he was able to rework it to cover his own political and religious takes around the time he should have lived in.

If anything I think Supplement is more like JTTW media! One of the first where it is more of a Re-imagining of the story than a retelling. Dong Yue was able to take JTTW characters and place them in a new setting with a new plot adding to the OG JTTW but not trying to take away from the OG story.

It kinda reminds me how like other media or interpretations of a character can be accepted within that character's mythos without having to be canon per se.

Like how in Lotus Lantern, for most of the tale's history Sun Wukong is not mentioned as any kind of background character let alone an ally to Liu Chenxiang. It wasn't until recently has this version been seen in more and more popular media and it is SO HARD to find any version of Lotus Lantern that has mention of the Thunder God that helped him rather than Wukong. This monkey has a stranglehold on media that much.

At that point, it is left much to how the public responds to a story, taking bits and pieces of an interpretation whether it can be considered part of a character's mythos or canon or if it is more of a loose connection to the original material. In this case, you won't find a lot of people trying to push Supplement as part of Wukong's lore let alone being a canon part of JTTW.

#supplement to journey to the west #sjttw #jttw #journey to the west #anon #anon ask #anonymous #ask

[the-monkey-ruler]

I get the impression supplement and jtts are treated as “just another sequel but old” which is probably why they’re not given as much attention today. Considering the amount of modern day sequels it’s understandable. Still sad because I think their age is what makes them interesting, giving us a glimpse of china back then.

I also like to see them as the first media-inspired Xiyouji content!! These are different narrators with their own stories to tell and use the frame of Xiyouji in order to tell them, and it is fascinating how inspiring Xiyouji already is at this stage as they particularly use Wu Cheng'en's version to interpret their own stories.

If I would have to label what kind of media they are I would say Supplement is a Rewrite as it has same characters, same place, but a different story as the demon in this story is not one that is seen i the original story. If I remember right this takes place right after the Princess Iron Fan and Bull Demon King arc and right before the Six-Eared Macaque Arc, making it a mini-arc that is supposed to take place between and then go back to the canon story.

Journey to the South is a Continuation as it is clearly after the journey has happened with a same characters, same place and different story but rather than being a mini-arc like Supplement where it is in the middle of the journey is it after the journey has concluded. This makes it that anything that happened afterward doesn't need to fit the canon of Cheng'en's as it opens for wider possibilities.

#anon ask #anonymous #anon #jttw #journey to the west #xiyouji #sun wukong #journey to the south #jtts #supplement to journey to the west #sjttw #ask