#so it’s linguistics based

[craptastico]

i’m thinking about. the magic system in the simon snow series again.

#IT’S SO INTERESTING #GO READ THOSE BOOKS NOW #like legit i gotta braindump now #so it’s linguistics based #and the power behind the words comes from how often people use them #but not mages so they need the normals functioning at maximum socialization #because otherwise their spells are weaker #and they use all kinds of phrases so like #clean as a whistle is one #but song lyrics and nursery rhymes #even memes and slang have power if they’re used enough #AND THIS IS WHAT REALLY EXCITES ME #ITS REGIONAL #SO AMERICAN WORDS NEED CAST IN AMERICA AND BRITISH WORDS WONT WORK #and it is SO funny in these books when that comes into play #like our perfectionist great mages are having the WORST TIME #because they can’t figure out they’re not in Britain and british words won’t work #ALSO ALSO #this is something that doesn’t come up in the first and last books bc there’s not enough unoccupied land in britain #but there’s dead spots #if there aren’t enough people to say the words there is no power and no magic #so the second book is probably my favorite because it really explores that system #but anyway go read the simon snow series its actually really good #like so good #simon snow #carry on

[neo--queen--serenity]

I noticed that, in the English dub, the ADA refers to Tanizaki by his first name rather often. It's actually pretty rare to hear his last name in the dub, and I wish I knew why.

It can’t be for the simplicity of referring between him and his sister, since everyone calls her Naomi in both versions.

It’s not a logistical (“mouth-flap”) choice either, I’ve noticed them saying it even when a character is facing away, and their mouth isn’t visible, so it’s not that.

I admit that I do like the choice, since Jun’ichirou is the same age as Atsushi—who also gets referred to by his first name by the rest of the ADA. It follows the trend of calling anyone 18 and under by their first names, too, since this also applies to Kenji and Kyouka.

It may be a small change, but it’s a consistent one, so it had to have been a conscious choice.

#localization is such a fascinating process to me #i wanna pick the brains of all the members of the dubbing team like a linguistic ryan seacrest #bsdrewatch2023 #bungou stray dogs #bsd #jun’ichirou tanizaki #junichirou tanizaki #tanizaki junichirou #tanizaki jun’ichirou #jun’ichirō tanizaki #tanizaki jun’ichirō #i typically watch anime in both japanese & english #it just depends on my mood. or when i started the series #or even based off of how fast the cast speaks (as some shows just have too many people talking at once) #so english dub is sometimes my default for a first-watch #naomi tanizaki #tanizaki naomi #atsushi nakajima #nakajima atsushi #kyouka izumi #izumi kyouka #tanizaki siblings #dubbing #english dub #bsd rewatch #bungo stray dogs #bungou gay dogs #neo queen serenity's posts #junichiro tanizaki #tanizaki junichiro

[majorshatterandhare]

Okay, accent/pronunciation post.

In Hereward the Wake, Tim pronounces “duty” with a /j/ (yod) which creates a pronunciation something like /ˈdjuː.ti/ in the IPA or “dyoo-tee” in English phonetic spelling. From what I can tell, this is one of two common pronunciations in English accents, the other being /ˈdʒuː.ti/ in the IPA or “djoo-tee” in English phonetic spelling. This second pronunciation features coalescence of the d and yod to create a dj sound. This can be contrasted by Rachel’s pronunciation of “duty” in Alice, which features yod dropping, and can be written as /ˈduː.ti/ in the IPA or “doo-tee” in English phonetic spelling. Although Tim is doing a very odd accent in Hereward, it doesn’t really matter in this case. In Riddle of the Sphinx he pronounces “introduced” with a coalescence of the d and yod (/ˌɪn. trə ˈdʒuːst/ or “in-truh-djoost”) and regardless of whether it is coalesced or not, as long as it’s not *dropped* it works for our purposes.

Okay, now we get into why this is funny to me. The yod-close back rounded vowel pair (/ju/ or “yoo”) comes to English from French. The French close front rounded vowel sound (/y/, I have no idea how I’d write this in English phonetic spelling, but make the inside of your mouth like you’re gonna say “ee” and your lips like your gonna say “oo” and that’s how you make it) came into English and was separated into /i/ and /u/ (or “ee” and “oo”) but then the /i/ was replaced with yod. This was not only applied to words that came from French, but also some pre-existing English words as well (and is now applied to foreign words once they’ve been in English long enough, like “Cuba”).

Now, when did the yod-close back rounded vowel pair enter English? Well, when was English heavily influenced by French? That’s right, when the Normans took over. And who fought the Normans? Hereward!

This lead me to the idea of an Anglish translation of Hereward the Wake. Has anyone done that yet?

[Note: information on the yod-close back rounded vowel pair came from this video by Dr. Geoff Lindsey; IPA representations were taken from the online Cambridge Dictionary and Wikictionary and adjusted where necessary (such as making “introduce” into “introduced”). Also I’m not actually positive that Tim doesn’t coalesce the d and yod in “duty”, it sounds kinda like both to me, but either way it comes from the French which is the important part for this post.]

#baaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh #okay so nothing i state in this am i sure about. this is my understanding based on what little i know about linguistics etc etc #also the point was using pronunciation that we ultimately have because of the normans in a song about a guy who hated the normans. #i fucking love the accent he does for hereward. i could just talk about that. about what i like about it. #but mostly it boils down to enjoying it *because its interesting.* #i do not know *why* he does such an accent for it. but i like it. #the mechanisms #hereward the wake #gunpowder tim #tim ledsam #accent discussion #i guess also part of the point is that i suspect it was not intentional and thats just part of his accent #but i dont know. i havent specifically listened to everything i can to search for another instance of consonant-yod coalescence from him. #well. consonant-yod coalesnence that isnt present in my accent is what id be looking for. because some words have it in english generally- #speaking. like ‘picture’ (pic-chur or sometimes pit-chur) and ‘actually’ (ack-choo-lee or ack-choo-uh-lee)

[samodivas]

this [redacted] organization I follow unironically referred to as age-based discrimination as "ейджизъм" and I've been thinking about how cringe-inducing that is for days.

what the fuck is eydzizam? why did you have to literally transcribe a foreign compound word that makes zero sense when you could have simply said "discrimination based on age" and provided an insightful explanation for the issue you're addressing? how do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you can't even utilize language to make your point?

"oh but its terminology" it isn't! it truly isn't. right up there with "ейбълизъм" for "ableism" it's lazy, anglocentric and pathetically unaware of its own bias.

"but people who care about these things understand English so they know what it means" then why are you preaching to the choir? why are teenagers and 20 - 30 something year olds who have the means to master a foreign language the only audience that matters? what about people who don't know "terminology" or who are too old and out of the loop, or simply don't speak the language you're borrowing from?

I don't think wanting to have this information accessible in your own language, in terms you can fully comprehend, is somehow backwards or limiting. If this is what the entire "progressive" scene is like in this country, is it at all surprising that so many people (whether they're conservative, moderate or completely politically inactive) genuinely believe that these ideas are "planted by foreign agents" from the West?

And the fact that I get called "nationalist" for wanting the bare minimum effort to be put into adapting these topics for a localized audience is insane. If you can't make discussions on "ageism" or "ableism" accessible to a local person who doesn't speak English, it's not their problem for being "willfully ignorant" as most people coming from a place of privilege are. it's your problem for dismissing a huge segment of the population before they can even learn what the fuck you're preaching.

#also its an anarchist organization but like. it's not particularly anarchist of u to lean so hard on linguistic imperialism tbh #also I am aware that words like 'sexism' are technically the same; but consider that the word 'sex' is very much used in bulgarian #simply in a different context. and even then; 'gender based discrimination' is still used just as often as the foreign compound word #anyway. i overall like the organization and I'm always down to hang and help out progressives in different circles #but then there's embarrassing shit like this that makes me think this is tumblr-level activism that's detatched from reality #p: mine

[lovevalley45]

sometimes i wonder how much farsi zari 1.0 could speak compared to z2 and behrad bc like,,, obv the reason we see them speaking more farsi is bc they have each other, or their parents, to talk to. but do u think that z1 could feel her farsi slipping from her tongue the longer her family was dead, furthering distancing her from the people she loved? was it a relief to go back into the totem and maybe not be surrounded by the family she lost, but the language that they held to despite argus trying to rip everything away from them? did she worry that z2 and her behrad had lost it, not out of oppression but negligence? was she happy that this version of her was spared from the same loneliness of language she was?

#alli says shit #this is v vague but #i’ve been taking a linguistics course so language has been on my mind #and i think that. obv z1 and z2 n behrad would have very diff relationships to speaking farsi #i feel like in s5 i suggested behrad was better at farsi than z2 based off the dinner scene but idk #behrad might just be better bc he seems to be closer to their parents #n like we see in s6 they generally talk to their mother in farsi #i could go into the reality show n how talking in farsi was a lil more private than english #but i digress

[ihavetoomuchhomeworkforthis]

Crazy humans are weird idea I just had while I was brushing my teeth. Okay, so what if our world is the only one where people and animals are designed to be able to create and communicate with sound? Not that the other alien species can't hear or make sound at all, if they step on a twig it still snaps, if they clap their hands it still makes a sound, their breathing can still be audible, and a stampede of elephant-equivalents will still make a thunderous stampede noise you'd need to be able to feel and hear, but what if none of them have vocal cords? What if the closest they can get is a sort of hoarse screech of unconventionally forceful breathing? What if we're the only ones with speech and birdsong?

Alien species communicate through tap-stomp dancing and facial expressions and sign/body language and rhythmic drumbeat patterns and little handpats on whatever surface is available (including themselves).

Nothing could have prepared them for our thousands of languages, the sheer volume we're just effortlessly capable of, the precision and variety and eloquence in the sounds we can produce. The apparent cacophony of birdsong and crickets chirping and cats meowing and lions roaring and dogs barking and whalesong, and just all the vastly different sounds everything on our planet can make. The musical instruments which aren't just percussion and string, but also wind instruments.

Just- what if we were the only ones with speech?

If I were more creative and less tired right now I'd write a mini-fic thing, if anyone sees this and somehow gains that kind of inspiration, PLEASE do, I'd be honored, thank you.

#humans are weird #what if we're the only ones with speech #that would be so cool #like they send their ambassador to make first contact and our human ambassador sticks out a hand to shake #and that's all well and good- they aren't sure what the right response to that is but it seems like a friendly gesture #but then the human says something normal like “hi welcome to Earth we're so excited to finally meet another intelligent life form” #and the alien just freaks out and screeches awkwardly and takes a huge step back staring in disbelief #and starts doing some sort of sign language or tapdance or both at once that roughly translates to “wtf was that” #“what do you mean you can make sounds that specific and meaningful out of your eating hole” #the linguists we brought along and the hopeful attempts at universal translators we made based on Star Trek are both having a hard time #all the other humans are weird things that I've seen never seem to have mentioned language barriers #our sound is both beautiful and horrifying #humans are space orcs #aliens

[lokh]

heterogenia linguistico is so interesting...

#before i knew it i caught up X_X #being about language tho it feels like its especially important to get the translations accurate akndjccjdnd #if i could find physical copies id get them immediately esp since its like at 4 volumes still #but its also reminding me how little i remember of my linguistics degree AKAMNDNDNDNCMF #and our field methods unit.... #which was super interesting but really impresses upon u the difficulty of learning (observing?) a language from the bottom up #also my socially anxious ass was not fond of the idea of field research erhsbscbd #which i understood to be necessary in pursuing a masters? so i didnt want to LOL #im looking at it now and that may not be true.... or it depends on the actual degree #in any case anything linguistics related will involve talking to people lmao so even tho based on my knowledge #it would make sense to pursue further linguistics...... i dont think i would actually be good at it career wise in any form #ok hang on ive just taken a look at an applied linguistics degree. there IS a capstone project #which would involve field work but maybe not to the extent i was imagining #in any case im not actually confident i remember enough from my undergrad 😭😭😭😭😭 #holy shit i finished it like. 6 years ago......

[swede]

[kicks rocks] thinking about the language lessons christine received after being adopted by madame and the professor

#leroux never says what kind of professor he was! i want to say he studied linguistics :) #he saw to it that christine could speak french and english strongly #gustave also had a hand in this; never forget the foundation he set! #he practically travelled the world with christine at his side #i think she can still sound broken and awkward #but mostly. just. heroine. she sounds like a gothic heroine HSJFJ #(duh doe you’re leroux-based) #idk! she tries her best to be so proper… #i love her. little lady. #perhaps a full all-encompassing meta on christine + her native tongue + the secondary languages she’s learned to come in the future… #TBT.

[kinnbig]

I just started learning Thai so I’m interested. What is the difference between jing and jingjing? On your tags about favorite Thai words

oh! so in Thai, repeating an adjective turns it into an adverb.

in this case, jing is an adjective that means true or real or honest, and jingjing is an adverb that means really, trully, honestly. they're just my favourite Thai words because I like the way they sound lol.

my other favourite is ning, which doesn't have a perfect English translation but that you might recognise from My Engineer. it means cool as in (a person who is) cold, distant, or aloof, or alternatively calm and self-controlled. it's often used sarcastically when describing other people. ningning is an adverb that means something like carefully or calmly - you hear people saying "ningning!" to tell someone to calm down or take more care. kind of like "chill out!" in English lol. I like these because their English translations are so interesting! and because of RamKing and ai'Ning, obviously.

#oooh thank u i love talking about language! #also just to cover all bases - #an adjective is a descriptive word that describes nouns (nouns are things - including people places and concepts) #and an adverb describes verbs (which are 'doing words' that show the action in a sentence) #for example. 'she is careful'. careful is an adjective describing the 'she' in this sentence. #'she walked carefully'. carefully is an adverb describing how the action of walking took place. #adverbs in english usually end in -ly so that helps with identifying them #sorry if this is incredibly obvious #linguistics is one of those things that's been a special interest for so long that i genuinely have no baseline for what is common knowledg #darcey.txt #ask #darcey.lang #linguistics posting

[colourfullanguages]

conversation analysis as a linguist is re-wiring your brain because everything linguistics has thought you so far doesn't apply

#sociolinguistics who? what? #we only do conversation analysis 😩 #also linguistic conversation analysis is a whole other thing #cause apparently some person decided to introduce CA but leave out ethnomethodology #so some linguists now do CA but only based on interactional organization only #using descriptivists mindsets #am i making sense #still trying to make sense of the information overload #ngl i have been feeling so yay over descriptivism until conversation analysis happened lol #not that being a descriptivist is bad #but yeah CA is giving me another perspective with which to approach language use

[fitzrove]

I think I'm struggling creatively because as time goes on I find less and less motivation to write (and read, tbh!) stuff that's

good wholesome queer representation

escapist everything-gets-better fantasy ("because life is hard enough why would you write about miserable things")

palatable to people who disagree with me

And obviously I'm nowhere near finishing even a single original thing yet ahdfhajf but I've been looking at publishing videos that people who have experience in the industry have made and. Man no wonder that so much milquetoast stuff gets put out nowadays

#not to be a hater and controversial but #the fact that its often straight people judging whether queer representation has problematic elements (and similar situations) #and lots of queer media seems to be made with straight people in mind (at least as a considerable portion of the audience) #and ugh in general/unrelated like. i just want to write litfic about the human condition XDD and structural inequality #but if i do it with fanfic nobody will read it because my most popular fics will always be ones where white men kiss each other for 3k word #obviously i'm grateful that anyone reads anything i write aggdhfh it's very nice to be heard #but fr my most popular fics are NOT my best ones #and yeah like if i write original fiction it's unlikely to do well in publishing because there's no hot sexy straight romance or wholesome #soft high school good representation queer people:3 #maybe i can put in a red herring twink guy idk #also i'm just so bitter about linguistic inequality still XDD like. in a video abt fantasy tropes the person making the video hates they #said that they hate 'overly long fantasy names' that they can't pronounce #which just made me go 'silence anglo' mentally because omfg super often those names are just BASED ON CULTURES YOU'RE NOT PART OF #(disclaimer i know not all english speakers are ignorant hahfjsdhjfj) #but yeah its funny when old english inspired names are too hard for modern english speakers like welcome to being anyone else lol #its somehow considered a minimum requirement of knowledge to be able to pronounce names like george and matthew correctly #but then for other languages it's a special courtesy if people say names right #afujishgfis and this is just one example #rant #writing #literature

[oflgtfol]

this is an incredibly low stakes pet peeve but i hate when people refer to the sun as Sol and the moon as Luna as if those are their proper names. no. they are literally called The Sun and The Moon. other languages have their own names for them, and no One language is the correct one.

like i'll admit when i was a fledgling astronomy nerd back in like middle school i was on that sol luna shit but i was looking at it heavily through the lens of science fiction and "aw how lame that they don't have real names." but like, why are we judging things based on how lame they are. our home galaxy is literally called the milky way. it doesn't get any lamer than that. just embrace the lameness.

#brot posts #astro posting #names like these aren't like actual science. they're just names #so like in regards to pluto i argue that being upset over its classification based on lameness is anti science #but like. its not that deep for things like this #since its not really science its more just . cultural understandings of astronomy #but i do still hold that making these decisions based on lameness is just. tired. cut it out #'the sun is called sol because we live in the solar system' girl thats just linguistics #helio denotes The Sun just as much as sol does #ie heliocentric. helium. etc #but no one ever argues that the sun is called Helios do they ?? #anyway saw someone sum this phenomenon up as sol/luna being more 'poetic' names rather than actual scientific names #and i guess that highlights what irks me: when people try to claim then that their poetic names are their actual scientific ones #like no. The Sun and The Moon /are/ their scientific names. cut it out !!!

[thistaleisabloodyone]

Watching the one subtitled My (K)night promo video on CL Live with suribo and I can't tell if Riku's talking so much because he's trying to get Kazuma and Hokuto engaged in the conversation or if Kazuma and Hokuto aren't super engaging in the conversation because Riku is talking so much

#there's been more than one moment where riku says something #looks at kazuma and hokuto like he's waiting for a response #(in at least one case he actually asked a question) #and then we cut to a different moment and riku's saying something else #he is trying to host #i am not sure if he is succeeding #(of course all of this is based off of subtitles and my cultural understanding #so there could be something culturally going on that i don't know about #or something linguistically happening that's not getting subtitled) #thistale rambles

[gothicastles]

currently toiling under the man-made horrors (studying for an exam whose content i have little to none interest in)

#it's an english phonetics and phonology exam #like i should've known when i started my degree that at least half of it was linguistics-based and not literature-based #but i'm stupid #so here we are #+ my medicine gives me brain fog and i'm having a hard time even trying to understand what's on the page #worst part is that if i was a native speaker then all of this shit would cole naturally to me but it doesn't!!! english is so stupid!!!! #ok bye i need to keep going #the only good thing is that this exam doesn't weigh much in terms of the course's total percentage thank god #come* oops

[alpinelogy]

like half a year ago my friend with told me that if you listen to music in a language you dont speak you write better/faster. i am starting to believe him

#lets see if i can finish this wip tonight #friend is interested in psychology and linguistics and read a fair bit about it so i assume what he said was based on a study lol #erika.txt

[the-chattering-tower]

Dragons that got gened the other day!

Gale (he/him) is a linguist specialising in mapping out the North-Plague Talonok dialect, as well as helping out in Proto-Talonok reconstrucion as a passion project on the side. He is a big excitable nerd who is currently staying at The Chattering Tower on a work expedition and notes-exchange

Akka (they/he) is, in terms of site mechanics, Aelroth's dad who I scattered recently. In terms of lore, they're one of the Librarians. They keep to organising shelves and research out of the way of wandering eyes. Everyone who's ever met him has been insistent that they have met them before, but the recalled details seem to change by the hour, and Akka is a dragon of few words, both on this topic and in general

Candela (it/she) and Crescent (he/him) are two members of the royal guard in Torchbound, with Candela being one of Veritas' typical entourage and Crescent being a short-range messenger. Their broadcasts are subject to change but they're both very moon-aligned for me and also I have Along The Road by Radical Face stuck in my head

#the moon duo were both 2022 feb 22 hatches btw and theyre So Pretty i love them #in other news how did it take me this long to bestow one of my biggest special interests (linguistics) on a dragon #did you know!! that proto-uralic has its own phonetic alphabet (upa) #and also that i cannot fuckin read it bc its based on finnish #also that theres a hierarchy of colour words in languages #and that- okay im normal im normal #dragon share #flight rising #gale #akka #candela #crescent #gale was a g1 i was gonna found a wholeass breeding project on the colours of #and then he went up for sale so hee hoo. i have the he #had the he for a long while actually but yknow. origin story