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#the idea of las nevadas being slimes legacy as much as it is his is what motivated quackity after slime died
snek-snacc · 2 years
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If I'm not allowed to interpret c!Quackity and c!Slime as romantic, then why are they so romantically interpretable?
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theminecraftbox · 5 months
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i didn't quite like it the final lore of c!quackity, it's wasn't bad but i think it should have showed what he did after him losing cslime friendship and a live. Like for me it wasn't quite a good end for all his lore
strongly agree / agree / ambivalent / disagree / strongly disagree / don't care whatsoever
I'd agree that LN5 was the weakest of the Las Nevadas series, but I kinda disagree with you as to why. I do not think, for instance, that seeing more of Quackity's aftermath following his death at Slime's hands would have assisted in justifying the conclusion we ultimately got: because the conclusion we are shown onscreen is that Quackity has declined his call to redemption! he sends a few people a youtuber apology and then doubles right back down into the same old shit. Las Nevadas does not fall. Quackity has decided that's his legacy: the country he built on sand with bloody hands. He says he's planning to put the factory to use and make sure Las Nevadas sticks around for centuries to come: which is, yknow, a complete rejection of whatever lesson his death might have otherwise taught.
Which is like... par for the course? In terms of motivation's c!Quackity's got and the remorse he's shown for various actions, he's done quite a lot of bad things for very selfish reasons and without evidence of regret whatsoever. In terms of the people who Quackity has directly hurt... Slime isn't actually one of them! Slime is not Foolish. Slime is not Dream! Slime isn't even Purpled. Rather, Slime is an observer, a victim of circumstance who, once given the opportunity, was able to accurately perceive that even though Quackity treated him well, a) he treated others decidedly poorly, and b) his ideas about power and legacy were both cruel and paranoid.
This is fine as a send-up. This isn't half-bad as catharsis. However, I would argue that it feels a little strange in the context that Slime doesn't know shit about some of the worst things Quackity has done, namely, the entire prison arc.
At the risk of being a pandorolo again, the prison arc is central to Quackity's moral spiral into hell. Which is why it's a bit strange that it was massively underutililized in LN5, and, I'd argue, mis-utilized in LN4.
The point here isn't to say that Dream should have gotten to kill Quackity or whatever. I don't really think that would have been better; in fact I adore the facts of what we got, namely Dream being forced to panic and flee. But just take a moment and compare what we got with Dream and Sam with what we got with Dream and Quackity. I'm not even talking about how much longer Daedalus was than the brief scene we got in LN5; I'm talking about how the conversation in Daedalus was specifically designed for me, kat theminecraftbox to force Sam to confront the moral and practical and emotional ramifications of what he's done and then to decide whether to reject or accept those implications. How does Quackity answer Dream showing up on his lawn? With a couple of lines about how Dream deserved it that Dream doesn't have the time or inclination to respond to, followed by the chaos making any sort of resolution totally impossible.
It's hard for me to conceive of a LN finale that's less coupled to those acts that constitute some of Quackity's most significant actions on the server wrt his moral development. Which kinda sucks when you're doing a denouement of an arc purportedly meant to deal with those ramifications.
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dearmagenta · 2 years
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In that cell Dream and Purpled could torture slime as long as they want.
Slime is Quackity's best friend.
I think it actually would be fun to rage out on someone who really close to one's who you hate so much! It's bad enough but it could seem as a good idea for Dream and Purpld to make out of Slime's days the living hell. Torture him with lava and pain, smile and making sure in convincing slime *how hard* it's the Quackity's fault right now. Where is he? Does Slime even know what Quackity grieving him and thinking what slime probably can never come back? Purpled can just tell what Quackity know where and how Slime is, he even left a book (the legacy book but Slime don't know what in that book either) with information! So yeah.
Where is Quackity to save his best friend?
Did he really that much scared of Dream so let Slime go live in pain and hate?
It's a theory tho because I don't think cc's thinking it's unimportant to show us what happened there.
The best way to convince people in something is through trauma, and purpled and dream as well could give it to slime, convincing him how wrong and right was lessions Quackity taught him, and how wrong he was about Quackity. Slime didn't ask any "why" anymore, you didn't care about "why do that" then you surrounded by people who wants you to obey and listen so you could kill your best friend without hesitation because now you "know" how bad he is.
Yes, we saw how charlie was on first moments of invasion in las nevadas. "I'll dap you up to death" with cheery voice. But he doesn't just remember yet. Then he remembers, he remembers everything including the pain. He's not changing his mind. He's woke up from being kinda hypnotized, but he didn't woke up from all words what can dream and purpled say to him.
So maybe now he's traumatized and blames Quackity for that?
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Thinking about Quackity towering up from the sand island in the lava, towering up to the sand ceiling and punching his way through, stumbling through the night streets of Las Nevadas as the golden hue of the fire lanterns flicker on and off. Thinking about him collapsing in front of the fountain, down on his knees before the moon, holding back muffled sobs. Thinking about him holding his hands out, presenting them to the atmosphere, so that his eyes can rest upon charred skin still covered in warm green. Thinking about him gazing upon his legacy, once bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, now just a handful of goo in his palms, viscous matter slowly dripping onto the pavement.
Thinking about Wilbur watching from the burger van every afternoon as Quackity gathered Slime and took him out for his lessons. Thinking about Wilbur seeing his naive trusting nature and thinking of Tommy, thinking of Fundy, thinking of himself, before everything went wrong. Thinking about him showing up at Las Nevadas one particularly loud night, startled awake from his accidental snooze at the van by a blaring alarm triggered within the confines of the city-state. Thinking about him finding Quackity, hunched over himself, shivering, his breaths shaky and broken and somber.
Thinking about Quackity barely noticing Wilbur's shoes stop in front of him. Thinking about Quackity nearly unable to bring himself to face Wilbur, nearly unable to show his coated hands. Thinking about how Quackity called upon Purpled to look at what he'd done as Slime melted in his arms, but now that he saw the translucent, viridescent slime on his hands, he was reminded of the UFO. He was reminded of legacy. Slime had learned everything he knew from Quackity. Slime was—no, would've been his legacy.
Wilbur sees the slime. He sees it drip down onto the black concrete. He sees Quackity, broken at his feet, and he knows. He sees Tommy, he sees Fundy, he sees himself, and he knows.
YOU DID NOT HAVE TO GO THIS HARD! THIS IS AMAZING??? I'M IN LOVE??? HELLO??? SOME TALENT TO SPARE PLEASE, MY LITTLE PEA BRAIN COULD NEVER
Anyway, yes, this is fantastic, the idea of Wilbur being able to understand what Q is feeling because he has had damn well similar before is a fantastic concept. Wil and Q are very much two sides of the same coin, the parallels between their two characters are amazing, or to put it as Wilbur has: Yin and Yang.
Quackity wouldn't know what to do with himself, he's still in shock, unable to process what just happened, the slime in his arms absolutely burning him because it's just come out of lava. He's in pain but he doesn't register it, he can't register it. He can register his tears, he can't register his own thoughts, and he can't register Wilbur, who has probably moved down to be closer to eye level with Q despite the fact that the smaller's gaze is firmly fixed to the puddling slime over his arms and sand.
It's only when Wilbur's firm hand touches his shoulder does he pull out of his mind, sensing the things around him again, Wilbur's words becoming clearer, the soft little "Quackity?" that leaves his mouth being able to fight through ringing ears.
Q finally realises the tears down his face, the burning of his skin from the hot, yet cooling, slime, and everything comes crashing down on him in one big moment.
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alexthemagicaldevil · 3 years
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Of Medea, Jason, and Other Tragedies
Some of you might remember a post I made a little while ago comparing how Quackity and Technoblade fit into the lore of the DSMP. Here are my thoughts via a 3k words of angst:
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There was nothing left of L’Manburg.
It was something universally understood and known. Something that was never questioned. Something that everyone just accepted so that they could move on and not think about the nation that had too many traitors, too many broken promises, too many memories. It was something that everyone thought they believed so that they wouldn’t go looking for little pieces left behind, pieces that miraculously survived the desimation.
But Quackity knew the truth. Those little pieces could be found without looking too hard, whether it be in the fractured relationships of the SMP or the physical evidence that managed to not become ash at the bottom of a crater. And Quackity, well, he held both of those pieces in the palms of his hands.
In one hand, he held the souls of those fractured by L’Manburg’s memory. Fundy and his desperate need of a stable family, with a past scarred by a father that went mad and nightmares that haunt his waking actions. Sam and his futile attempts at control, gradually being poisoned as he pushes everyone away and tries to single handedly keep the server’s god locked in his own prison. Purpled and his lack of legacy, even in a place he so heavily influenced and his skills so valued yet so dismissed. Foolish and his beautiful builds and broken heart, running away from his destructive past and wanting peace despite the possibility of godhood sitting at his fingertips.
In the other hand, Quackity held a poster, one of the last remaining remnants of the place he had once fiercely declared home. He has no idea how it survived. Most of the physical pieces of L’Manburg that could be found were sections of buildings just far enough away from the explosions, items in random chests, or whatever was on the citizens at the time. Yet somehow, through all the fire and TNT, this poster had survived.
Technoblade. Wanted dead or alive.
Quackity had found it relatively soon after Doomsday, wandering around the crater where L’Manburg once stood. It was slightly singed on the edges and an entire corner was gone, but there it was, lying on the ground innocently, Technoblade’s mocking eyes staring at him with something like satisfaction.
He should have left the thing there. It would have eventually faded away like the rest of L’Manburg with enough time under the elements. Or maybe he should have burned it and forgot it was there in the first place. Whatever he should have done, picking it up, carefully folding it, and stuffing it into his back pocket was definitely not it. But he did. And it stayed with him for a long time.
At first, it was just there, a burning reminder in his back pocket of all he failed to do and what he promised to accomplish. It was there as he built Las Nevadas from the ground up, barely noticeable besides the constant nagging reminder in the back of his thoughts. It was there when he hired Purpled and Technoblade to take care of the Eggpire that had gone on for far too long, growing heavier and heavier each time the Blood God looked at him. It was there when he found out about Kinoko Kingdom for the first time, how the only three people he thought he could trust, the reasons he built Las Nevadas in the first place, left him behind without a second thought.
(The poster didn’t feel heavy then, but it did feel like it was laughing at him. Low and monotone, coming from deep within his memories.
The poster didn’t feel heavy then, but the two rings threaded through a chain around his neck did. They felt like shackles threatening to weigh him down and drown him.
Quackity removed the rings and hid them in a chest after that. Somehow, though, they still felt suffocating).
The poster was there for everything, tucked away in his back pocket, even when he began recruiting members for Las Nevadas. Through Foolish and Fundy, Purpled and Sam, and even through Slime. It knew everything, Quackity would find himself thinking. Of course, there was no way for a poster to know anything, but it didn’t stop the thought.
It wasn’t until after Wilbur visited him with Tommy after his revival (and so many memories of Pogtopia) that he finally took the poster out of his pocket. He was alone at the time (as he always is these days, it feels like, even surrounded by other beings) and in his unfinished casino. Sam had left nearly an hour ago to continue his duties as the Warden at the prison. The echoes of their conversation reverberated through Quackity’s mind.
Technoblade is going to the prison to see Dream tomorrow, he remembers saying. I trust you know what you have to do.
Of course, Sam had replied, the intense green of his eyes sparking in the dim lighting of the casino. You’ve done your part. Now I’ll do mine.
Quackity stared at the glass of whiskey in his hand. It had always Schlatt’s drink of choice, when he was still breathing. The smell reminded Quackity of the long nights he spent as Vice-President to a man barely sober enough to stand, let alone run a country. How many times had he put the smallest amount of poison in Schlatt’s drink, hoping that this time, it would be enough to end him for good? How many days had he spent hiding bruises and putting on fake smiles, wondering if it was all worth it? How many nightmares had he endured, thinking about everything Schlatt did and made him do?
He drank all the whiskey in one go. It burned his throat and pooled like fire in his stomach.
The glass made a satisfying thud on the counter as Quackity set it down. It was then that he finally reached for the poster in his back pocket, holding it almost gently in his scarred hands. He traced the edge of it with his finger, thinking deeply.
Quackity unfolded the poster, one fold at a time. The folds were deep from the sheer amount of time it’s spent in his pocket. It was honestly a miracle that it was still intact, given the state it was in when Quackity found it and the constant strain it’s been under since.
When Quackity finished unfolding the poster, he placed it against the wall and used his empty whiskey glass to hold it up. It looked just like he remembered, even back when the Butcher Army was first created. Sure it was faded and threatened to fold on itself at any moment, but it was still there. The reward, Technoblade’s face, the L’Manburgian flag.
Quackity stared into Technoblade’s red eyes. It was only a drawing, but whoever had done the picture nailed the resemblance to the Blood God. The scar over his eye and lip itched just looking at it.
“You know Technoblade,” Quackity found himself saying. “Before we met, I always had a healthy respect for you. Who didn’t? Everyone was in awe over the Blood God, the most terrifying fighter of our generation, rumored to never be able to die.” He sighed. “Of course, fighting was never my strong suit. You found that out first hand,” he added with some humor, though it felt flat. “Still, a part of me longed to do what you do. Words can only get you so far, get you so much respect.
“They say you should never meet your heroes. Something in that has to be true, because ever since I’ve known you, my life has been nothing but one bitter failure after another.” The poster didn’t reply, and Quackity understood with some absurdity that he was literally talking to a poster as if it were a real being. Still, he continued on.
“Well, maybe that’s giving you too much credit, but it sure feels like that. It’s just,” he trailed off slightly, moving his hands around, trying to figure out some way to articulate his point. Words were supposed to be his weapons, but here, vulnerable and trying to express something that’s been gnawing at him for so long, they scrambled in his throat. “Somehow you come out of every battle, every conflict without a single mark, yet I’m punished for every decision I’ve made since I came to this Primeforsaken SMP.”
And those words, Quackity realized, are when the floodgate inside his chest burst.
“No matter what you do, who you hurt, who you kill, what everyone wants or tries to accomplish, you have never paid for anything you’ve done to the people of this server. I remember when we took down Schlatt with Pogtopia, how you were so insistent that the government had to be taken down, all the while talking about how it was the people’s choice to live how they wanted to live. Well guess what, shithead? The people, L’Manburg, us, we decided that we wanted a government, one that listened to us and one that we could trust. And what did you do once the people made their choice? What did you do after we had called you our friend and said you didn’t have to live by our ways if you didn’t want to? You called us traitors. Said we used you, when all you ever wanted was an excuse to push your own anarchist bullshit down the throat of any server that would give you the time of day. You’re somehow the biggest hypocrite I’ve ever met, even in a world where Dream runs around as the Admin.
“But that’s not even the worst of your sins, isn’t it? I’ve watched you blow up countries with no remorse, execute a child on the whim of a dictator, corrupt and hurt every single person I’ve ever cared about, destroy what I put every ounce of my heart and soul into like it was nothing.”
There were tears aching behind his eyes now. Quackity took a shuddering breath, trying to calm his hurting heart. He thought about Schlatt and his time in Pogtopia, thought about Tubbo and Tommy and Niki and every other L’Manburgian face as they realized the nation they loved was gone at Technoblade and Wilbur’s hands. “And what were your consequences for all of this? What karma did the oh so powerful universe decide you deserved?
“Nothing. Not a single, goddamn thing. For all your violence and bloodshed, you get to live in a nice cottage in the Arctic, filled with friends that celebrate your birthday, and not a single regret.”
Quackity smiled blankly at the poster, raising his hands. By now he was full on pacing in front of it, his shoes making soft noises against the tile. All the while, Technoblade’s red eyes watched his every move.
“But what about me? Prime knows I’m the furthest thing from a saint this server has to offer, but at least I had good intentions. I went against Wilbur during the elections not because I wanted power, but because I saw what he was doing and no one else was going to call him out on his bullshit. I mean, come on! Running a single party election in a so-called democratic nation? Now, that doesn’t mean I didn’t do bad things. I should have left Schlatt the moment I realized just how bad he was. I shouldn’t have waited until after he ruined L’Manburg and executed Tubbo to join Pogtopia. It haunts me every waking moment.” Quackity stopped his pacing for a moment, lost in the memories. Tubbo screaming, the flash and bang of a firework. The explosion of color from the second firework immediately after, because the first one hadn’t been enough. The burning in his chest as he was hit with a firework of his own.
“And then, after you and Wilbur decided to blow it all to kingdom come, I did everything I thought was best for L’Manburg. I helped people. I rebuilt everything you destroyed and made it better. I wanted to hunt you down and make you pay for everything you did.” His scar began to itch again. “But I guess we both know how that turned out.
“And what were my consequences for this? For doing my best, realizing my mistakes, trying to fix them, trying to protect those around me? What karma did the oh so powerful universe decide I deserved?
“Everything. I was punished for everything. Every place I called home, every person I called a friend, every time I fell in love, anything I tried to protect, every time I tried to be happy, I was punished for it. Somehow in this fucked up version of the story, I’m the villain that needs to be punished for their actions, while you’re the blameless hero that gets a happily ever after!”
Quackity was near yelling at this point. It felt good to let out all of his emotions after so long, putting everything into the open even if no one else heard him. He forced himself to calm down slightly, running a hand through his hair.
“Have you ever heard the story of Medea and Jason?” he asked abruptly. The air of the casino seemed to shift uncomfortably with his sudden change of tone, lighter and lower than before. “You probably have, with your obsession with Greek Mythology and shit. You know something interesting about Medea, though? Even though she did horrible, and I mean horrible things, she never lost the favor of the gods. She abandoned her country for some random dude she fell in love with, plotted the murders of her brother and father, as well as murdered a princess with a poison so strong that it killed anyone she touched, and even killed her own children. Yet she doesn’t pay for any of it. Through all of the murder and sorcery, the kept her favor with the gods, and was allowed to have a happy ending. Hell!” Quackity let out a barking laugh. “She doesn’t even die as far as anyone knows! Greek mythology is known for its love of horrible and dramatic deaths, yet of all of the myths she shows up in, never once does it mention her eventually dying, even of old age! Sounds like someone else we know, doesn’t it?”
He paused for a moment, as if expecting a reply. Of course, there was none.
“Now Jason, Jason, on the other hand, we see something interesting. You see, he loses his favor with the gods, specifically his patron Hera, because he was trying to marry another woman even though he was already married to Medea and had two children with her. Can you imagine your patron goddess being the lord of marriage and family, and then you trying to marry another woman? The balls on that man, I’m telling you. The point is, none of his heroic deeds mattered in the end. He lost favor with the gods, lost his wife and children, and ended up dying alone, crushed under the weight of the Argo. The only thing left to immortalize his heroism ended up being the cause of his death.”
Quackity suddenly paused. His words echoed in the casino around him. No longer was he pacing. Instead, he stared long into the distance, as if he could see something through the thick walls. The weight around his neck was nearly unbearable. When he spoke again, it was just above a whisper.
“I guess what I’m trying to say is you are an awful lot like Medea. Doing horrible things left and right with the gods still choosing to favor you, still getting a happy ending despite all the pain and grief you’ve caused. But…” he trailed off, looking back at the poster. It may have been his imagination, but Technoblade’s eyes seemed less mocking, somehow.
“I have hope. Maybe you’re not Medea. Maybe, just maybe, you’re Jason. You’ll do something so terrible that you’ll lose your favor with the gods, lose everything that ever mattered, and you’ll be crushed under the weight of what once proved your worth.” Quackity walked forward, reaching out his hand. His fingertips stopped less than an inch from the surface of the poster, just hovering. Waiting. Contemplating.
“But I can’t wait for that to happen. I can’t wait for the universe to finally decide you’ve lost its favor.”
He dropped his hand. “You once said something, Technoblade. You said: treat others as they have treated you. That was your excuse for everything you’ve done. I tried to enact that saying once before, and I lost a life because of it. This time around…”
Quackity finally snatched the poster from the place on the wall, rattling the glass in the process. He refused to acknowledge that there was the finest tremble in his hands, making the poster shake.
“Well, the universe already made me the villain of this story. Might as well act like one.”
Quackity ripped the poster to shreds, piece by piece, one of the last remaining pieces of L’Manburg destroyed at his hands. Soon it was so shredded that it was unrecognizable, a pile of paper falling softly to his feet. When it was gone, it felt like pressure was relieved from Quackity’s shoulders. For the first time in a long while, he smiled genuinely.
He walked out of the casino, leaving the pile there for another day. He was sure Slime would clean it up without much fuss.
And if the weight around his neck grew to be nearly unbearable-- well, that was no one's knowledge but his own.
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bonesandthebees · 3 years
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okay so a LOT happened in Quackity's lore stream and I have so many thoughts and a lot to say but first and foremost because so much happened I decided to summarize it all into a bullet list for my own sanity so uhhh if anyone needs a list here you go (if I missed anything major feel free to reblog and add on)
WARNING: SPOILERS FOR QUACKITY'S LORE STREAM
- Q visits Dream in prison, wants him to write a letter to Technoblade, says he doesn’t care about the revive book anymore and is fine with killing Dream if he needs, Dream at one point calls Q ‘sir’, Q admits that he enjoys torturing Dream
- Q talks to Sam about people he wants to recruit for Las Nevadas, they discuss Foolish, Sam says he read old texts and found out about Foolish’s past and doesn’t think inviting him is a good idea, Q insists anyway
- Q visits Foolish, invites him to Las Nevadas, Foolish says no but then Quackity tells Foolish his builds are worthless, he’s not doing anything worthwhile, and that if he wants to be worth something he needs to go back to his old ways. Also admits that he purposefully let Foolish die at the banquet hoping it would get him back to his old ways
- Q is back at Las Nevadas, is trying to set tnt to blow something up when he hears something in the wall and finds Charlie. Has no clue who he is and threatens him, Charlie is really bad at pretending to be a human and when Q realizes that as a slime Charlie can sneak anywhere he decides to use Charlie as a spy. Charlie talks about seeing a bunch of people on the server, and mentions seeing a guy who was dead but isn’t anymore, and describes him as “sooty”. Also Q has an elytra somehow
-Flashback to a bit before the banquet, Q talks about wanting to recruit Purpled to Sam, goes to blow up Purpled’s UFO to get him to appear. Purpled shows up as Q is placing tnt, Q offers him a job and leads him to Las Nevadas
- After the banquet Purpled comes for payment, Q pays up with a chest, but before Purpled leaves Quackity blows up the UFO in front of him. Tells him that Purpled has nothing now, no legacy, and is worth nothing, and insists that if he wants to be something he should join him. Leaves Purpled to think - Fundy has another nightmare. Goes to sleep and wakes up in a mesa biome. Q appears outside his door, chatting with him and showing him destroyed remnants of New L’Manberg. They reminisce, Q reminding Fundy of a lot of things they did together in the old days. Then he repeats the mantra that Fundy is worth nothing and will be forgotten unless he does something like join him. Fundy wakes up after Q yells at him. He goes outside to see he’s back in the waking world, and Q appears and asks him how he’s doing
- Lastly we get a flashback from when Wilbur read Q’s message at his revival spot after being revived. Then we get cinematic moment seeing Wilbur staring at the Las Nevadas sign, before walking down and coming face to face with Q before the screen goes black
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