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secret-engima · 2 years

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Just curious :) If you could pick six autobots and six decepticons for the main characters of a new and upcoming tv series, which ones would you pick?

Hmmmm that entirely depends on multiple factors about this theoretical new show? Like- is it set on Earth, Cybertron, or a new planet? Is it pre war, during war, post war? Is the writer someone that can be trusted with my beloved characters and won't kill them off for cheap shock value or turn one of them into a total psychopath just because he/she has canonical lower empathy than others (looking at you, comic Prowl)?

But like. Assuming all those factors line up favorably....

Autobots:

Jazz

Prowl

Chromia

Silverbolt

Moonracer

Elita-1

Why these ones? Mostly because they don't get hardly any screen time either in their original shows or especially post the original shows. I adore Optimus and Bumblebee, obviously, but I think it would be interesting to expand on a new crew *properly* (Robots in Disguise does not *count*). Elita-1 would be the leader and Optimus's wife, or at least his female counterpart, with Chromia as her supporting officer. Jazz and Prowl probably wouldn't show up until a few eps in, for added flavor, and assimilate into the command structure without any of the sexism problems shows like to throw in there for cheap drama (you can't tell me Mr Vibes Aggressively To Earth Lingo And Music and Mr Logic and Competence Are My Keywords would be fussed about obeying two femmes who've been in this situation longer than them, assuming this is a during war show)

If the show is like- pre or post war, then these are still my picks because they would all be living very different lives and seeing what draws them together would be interesting.

Silverbolt is there because I'm tired of the Decepticons having All Sky All The Time

Decepticons:

Soundwave + Cassettes (yes they count as one entry on this list, Soundwave gets to keep his/her kids fight me)

Knockout from TF Prime

Breakdown from TF Prime (not gonna break up the comedy duo, like, come on)

Starscream

Skywarp

Thundercracker

Again, picking from my favorites or ones I think would have interesting chemistry with each other and/or the Autobots. Not including Megatron because if Optimus isn't there to balance him out then the autobots are doomed. *Could* have included a Decepticon femme to be Elita-1's rival but I don't like most of the Decepticon options and Arachnid/Arachnea is ... kinda boring to me save for her Animated version. That and seeing Starscream attempt to Be In Charge only for Elita-1 to think circles around him while Thundercracker and Soundwave stand in back being the long-suffering Ignored Braincells would be prime comedy material.

Again this is assuming it's during war. But I think my choices could still work Post-War if for the Decepticons they either broke out of jail, all these bots are stranded somewhere and unaware why their respective sides have gone dark, or, if going for comedy, if these idiots are all on essentially Post War Community Service and Starscream keeps trying to revive the Decepticon cause and *failing*.

Yes I know in the comics Starscream gets to be like. An actual competent politician. However:

Starscream's Entire Existence through the war has frankly always hinged on him being potentially intelligent, but then his arrogance is so suffocating he is his own worst enemy. Frankly I'm convinced from Prime and Animated that the only reason he survived at all, let alone stayed Megatron's Second, is Megatron recognized the convenience of having someone Savage enough to take out any competition that would try to kill Megatron without "Starscream's approval or command" but was himself too smotheringly arrogant to ever actually succeed in his own assassination plots.

Also bonus points if this hypothetical show has Knockout and Breakdown and/or Soundwave and his kids pull out a redemption arc. If it's Soundwave bonus bonus points for it being because this guy started accidentally parenting Moonracer and now doesn't know how to stop.

An alternate to the Seeker Trio that I'm mentioned because I was equally tempted, would be uh- the TF Prime samurai Decepticon Twins. I forget what their names were. I think the one that actually gets screen time in the show would be a *fascinating* foil to Elita-1 if he was the one in command, and the missing third could be either the cassettes collectively or *possibly* Barricade from the movies, because honestly he was kinda interesting. In a severely feral way.

Not sure if that's what you wanted anon, but there you go.

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aegor-bamfsteel · 3 years

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Hello! I was hoping to add a bit to your thoughts on Bloodraven. I agree wholeheartedly with you that Bloodraven is a terrible person and made terrible decisions. But I disagree with you that he’s rewarded for it. The novels do quite a but to frame him as an evil person. Yes he’s a magical greenseer and has a lot of magical power, but he’s also a scary tree person with roots growing in him. He lives in a dark cave he can never leave with creepy elves that have probably killed Bran’s friend. There’s also a lot of theories that Bloodraven drove Euron crazy when testing Euron for magical abilities like he tested Bran. GRRM looks to be setting him up as a dark twist to the wise mentor trope while the show treated him like Gandalf.

Hello, Anon! Bl00draven as a villain is actually a very controversial opinion/theory in tumblr fandom, (which is why I misspell his name and use his anti tag) with at least some considering him a straight-up hero trying to save the world, or an anti-hero who commits atrocities to achieve “noble goals” (including, if I remember correctly, the same person who wrote at least part of the theory that Euron is Bl00draven’s ex-student). I believe Bl00draven is “a terrible person [who] made terrible decisions”, but I’m probably in the minority, (you’d probably find a better discussion with people who think he’s a hero in your analysis of how his character is framed), but you haven’t indicated why you don’t think he’s rewarded for his actions.

I have written about how the narrative protects Bl00draven from the consequences of his actions in the post you’re responding to, in a response to warsofasoiaf, and a response to godihatethisfreakingcat. In summary:

The two times BR suffers any setback (losing an eye; being sent to the Wall for high treason), it ends up working out for him in the end (not being affected by monocular vision at all if he held his own in a second duel against Aegor Rivers, getting a “scary” reputation and possibly greenseeing powers; having 200 of his personal guard and Prince Aemon accompany him, getting to keep the only Targaryen ancestral sword when he’s supposed to be punished, getting elected Lord Commander despite his horrible tenure as Hand, and deserting the Night’s Watch to become an immortal greenseer despite desertion being a death sentence)

When it looks like BR is going to suffer other setbacks, they magically go away (he and Baelor have a dispute over how to treat the defeated Blackfyre rebels, but Baelor dies before he can become king; he mocks Maekar in front of his own son and unsubtly threatens to kidnap Egg, but is said to have become Maekar’s Hand; his spy network fails to capture Aegor Rivers multiple times and couldn’t keep an eye on his ship as it made way for the Wall, but he isn’t punished for failing to do the one job he promised to do)

BR never had to work to gain anyone’s trust or his positions of authority, despite being terrible at his job (his mother was a friend of Da3ron II’s from birth; he was granted an ancestral Valyrian sword as a teenager despite not being the best swordsman; he gets his first Small Council position by age 20; Da3ron II trusts him enough to start a war on his say-so; Aerys makes him his Hand over his more competent brother Maekar; Maekar keeps him as Hand despite resenting him for decades; he’s made Night’s Watch Lord Commander). Maintaining so much power either undermines your claim that the narrative frames him as a villain (if he’s so untrustworthy, why do the supposed protagonists keep giving him jobs?), or it makes the characters who’ve granted him this power into idiots (at least 2 of whom are lauded as intelligent or clever).

Other villainous characters have done less harm than Bl00draven, but are punished for it while he gets to keep his power:

The infamously corrupt High Septon was torn apart by starving King’s Landing smallfolk during the bread riots of 299

The corrupt Rego Draz, who levied high taxes and tolls on the smallfolk (abuse of the smallfolk amidst a humanitarian crisis? sounds familiar), was stoned to death by a starving mob during the harsh winter and plague of 59

Rhaenyra was believed to have murdered Helaena Targaryen, and her husband did arrange for the murder of Helaena’s son (a parent and two young sons murdered in cold blood? sounds familiar). Thousands of smallfolk rioted out of desire for justice for the three, which caused the death of 5 dragons, Rhaenyra’s remaining son Joffrey, and Rhaenyra’s own flight from the capital. She never regained the throne again

Mysaria of Lys, explicitly compared to Bl00draven as Mistress of Whispers, also arranged for the murder of Helaena’s son Jaehaerys, informed on Nettles to Rhaenyra resulting in a warrant for her death (informing on someone to a monarch baseless rumors resulting in a warrant for their arrest? sounds familiar), and may have contributed to Helaena’s suicide that the riots were about. When King’s Landing fell, she was stripped naked and whipped to death as she was forced to walk out of the city.

Tyanna of Pentos, similarly mistress of whispers like Mysaria, tortured the king’s nephew to death (after having him imprisoned? sounds familiar), tortured dozens of men and women including rumored lover Alys Harroway, kidnapped children to ensure their mother’s good behavior while being repeatedly raped, and allegedly poisoned her fellow queens in order to be Maegor’s true wife. She was brutally murdered by the man she sought to influence, her heart thrown to the dogs

Bl00draven deliberately shot 2 unarmed 12-year-olds in front of their father to win a war, ordered the smallfolk back to their lands during the midst of a drought and after the Great Spring Sickness, caused the death of a young man under suspicious circumstances, threatened to keep the son of his rival a hostage, killed a man he promised safe passage to, denied critical aid to the crown’s vassals during ironborn raids, and created a reign of fear and paranoia that resulted in the deaths of innocent smallfolk. Bafflingly, while there are apparently riots and violence and rebellion, he makes routine trips into Flea Bottom to keep the people in line (yes, the smallfolk in King’s Landing are so complacent to authoritarian rulers as I just mentioned) and survives all of them (relatively) unscathed. Not only does he keep his position as Hand, or gained a new position as Lord Commander, but he lives to a ripe old age before running away to the cave to be an immortal greenseer with infinite knowledge. My point in comparing the actions and consequences of characters similar to Bl00draven is that if the smallfolk or the Targaryens were written consistently, he would’ve been horribly murdered for corruption or insubordination long before he ever met Bran. I understand he would have to live into canon era to be Bran’s mentor; but GRRM broke the rules of his own universe by letting Bl00draven get away with too much to be believable while giving him even more power. It is inconsistent writing that makes his survival due to authorial fiat than any skill or allies. That’s why I consider him possibly the worst-written character in the series.

Bl00draven has not committed enough good deeds to be a hero (in my opinion; other people consider keeping Da3ron’s progeny on the throne for a few generations longer to be heroic). But neither has he suffered for the consequences of his actions like a villain. We know that the Freys and Boltons will face comeuppance for their atrocities in the Red Wedding and at Winterfell because it’s already clear they have sown the seeds of their own destruction; the Freys’ violation of guest right contributed to the breakdown of the rule of law that made honorable parley impossible, and their murder of Catelyn Stark led to Lady Stoneheart in the Riverlands killing Freys with the Brotherhood, and their murder of Wendel Manderly led to his father Wyman orchestrating some of their deaths; the Boltons’ role in the Red Wedding led to nearly universal hatred among the northern lords, and caused the mountain clans to ally with Stannis to get them out, and Ramsay’s rape of who they think is Arya Stark just gives them further cause to resent their traitorous overlords. I don’t have to explain how Tywin’s cult of Lannister supremacy doesn’t survive his death as he’s offed in the most humiliating manner by the son he despised, since Jaime, Cersei, and Tyrion are either imprisoned, enslaved, or in a trial for their life by book 5. Contrast Bl00draven, because the family he most wronged (the Blackfyres) are either no longer around or are uninterested in seeing him brought to justice; he certainly sowed the seeds of destruction, but he never reaped them himself (if anything, he got more powerful); instead the Targaryens did. I don’t see how he will be getting any personal comeuppance in the future, unless he is somehow unplugged from the weirwood network and executed as a deserter to the Night’s Watch (the Starks do have a pattern of executing those guys, so maybe it will be Bran’s turn). Until then, I don’t foresee him being a good asoiaf villain either.

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teetlesandnimjas · 4 years

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What if in the explosion the brothers got separated?

This is a villain turtle au- if you don’t want to read it you can scroll past! I know it’s a cliche concept but it was fun! And I like doing my own spin on things.

(Note in this au when they’re mutated they are a little older, young kids, as this idea wouldn’t work if they weren’t SEMI competent. They’re still 13, 14, and 15 in modern times, but when they’re first mutated Mikey is 3, Leo and Donnie are 4, and Raph is 5)

Donnie: got scooped up by Draxum in the end, and works as his assistant first, son second. He has a similar position to Foot Recruit; despite being fully capable of actually being useful, he is treated with little respect and does mundane tasks like running errands and fixing random, broken objects. He is trained constantly but is told over and over again that he is “not good enough” yet. Despite this he puts his heart into everything he does. Broken clock? Sure he’ll fix it and it’s got LAZERS now! This causes him to accidentally make problems, and Draxum thinks that Donnie is “a complete and udder fool” which is further from the truth. Villain Donnie is a lot like canon Donnie personality wise but a bit more serious. He does not approve of Draxum’s use of mystic powers, and resents using them himself. He refuses the axe Draxum tries to give him. Draxum has little regard for what Donnie thinks and does, and therefore has an awful relationship with him. And yknow Donnie’s abandonment and self-worth issues? Yeah crank that up to 11. Basically Donnie hates Draxum and the Mystic City, and the Shredder going rouge is the last straw. “WATCH ME! ILL WIPE OUT THE HUMAN THREAT WITHOUT YOUR STUPID MAGIC! YOU HEAR ME BARON DRAXUM- I DEFY YOU!”

Leo: made his way to New York via Senior Hueso. Originally I was going to have him raised by Hueso but then realized it wouldn’t make a lot of sense- so Senior Hueso picks baby Leo up off the streets but ever the wanderer Leo walks right through the GIANT PORTAL IN THE WALL. From there Foot Brute, attempting and failing to find members for the clan, picks up this tiny, promising turtle off the street. “What is that thing?” “I dunno but he’s cute- and we’re in need of members” “That is an actual child” “so?” And then Leo is raised by his two dad- I mean sensei. I put raised lightly. He was treated better than Donnie but he was never given a lot of attention, and therefore turned to causing trouble to get attention. And not just from his dads, from anyone he can. Causing mischief in the city actually helped him in his training, as he became very skilled at sneaking, fighting, and stealing. He butts heads with Foot Recruit a lot because of his constant need for approval and attention. She finds him genuinely annoying while he just views it as “playful teasing.” That comes back to bite him the butt upon meeting Donnie, who comes along to help make form the Shredder armor, but he does not want to be there. Forced to work together, Donnie gets sick of Leo’s crap real fast but they don’t really hate each other, but in the moment they needed to play it off like they did and therefore gave the impression to the other that they DID hate them. Confusing, I know. Draxum tries and fails on multiple occasions to nab Leo but if he does he realizes it’ll put a major dent in his plans. So he forbids Donnie to speak to Leo. But no one stops Leo from talking to him. But Donnie’s coldness and Leo’s cruel banter really doesn’t help them get along. The moment Shredder goes rogue and the Foot Clan collapses, Leo flees in fear. “What if” this and “what if” that but mostly because he tried to take out Shredder and ruined his clan name. But even on the street, Leo remains the same annoying, much more cruel and dark humored mutant.

Mikey: Got scooped up by the Mud Dogs and taken to Big Mama, dragging only Lou’s glasses with him since even as a toddler he picked up anything shiny he saw. I plan to draw the interaction between tiny Mikey and the Dogs (and how Mikey got his name in this au) but that’s a surprise. Anyways pretty quickly he got entered in the Battle Nexus. Think about the appeal that fight would have! Just a couple years of training and then bam! “Introducing Hakka-gu! Our youngest fighter ever- only 8 years old!” And having natural talent and capabilities he was an instant hit. And he wasn’t treated horribly, after all Big Mama couldn’t risk one of her most profitable champions running away. But he is still treated as nothing but that- a profit, a marketable product. No one calls him his real name anymore, no one cares about him, just his capabilities. When he gets injured it isnt “are you okay?” It’s “is your body okay?” And sometimes he’s treated like an idiot- especially by Big Mama. He was never taught language and has very botched speaking patterns because “intelligence isnt important for a champion.” Well eventually he has enough of that, and through a bloodbath, he is able to escape to New York. Now he’ll get respect- he’ll make them respect him. But he gets quickly spotted by the Foot Clan and Draxum, as he’s in the way. Upon finding out about the plans to wipe out humans, he knows he has to stop them. Who can respect him if THESE GUYS wanna take over the world? He’s not getting mistreated again. But when the Shredder goes rogue he panics- he cant stop it but... he knows who can. He goes crawling back to Big Mama and strikes a deal. A better champion. Better than him. And she takes it, although in the end she makes some... alterations to the deal. But this doesn’t stop his quest for respect, and he ultimately heads back to New York.

Raph: Savage! He’s alone, a young child who doesn’t know where to go. He panics, and rampages all the way to New York. After a good, long, temper-tantrum, he finds himself in an alleyway, climbing into a sewer. And there he eats rats, he sets up a not-so-homely-home for himself. He flashes in and out of his anger, but he is almost always emotional and looking for some sort of control in his life. He gets that through rampages, causing destruction in any way he can. Usually he doesn’t make TOO much of a mess but he’s brought down a few buildings in his time. Eventually, upon seeing a rampaging demon-armor in the streets and seeing 2 figures trying to stop it (at this point Mikey is getting Big Mama) he realizes there are others out there like him. And then begins a struggle for control not over the world, but over himself too. There are times he gains control and although lonely, he knows he must learn. He learns English in flickers, and it isn’t perfect, but he can communicate. He can talk to them. Now he just needs to stop hurting them.

Extra notes:

In this au the only one with their weapon is Donnie. Mikey and Leo are skilled with the weapons they have in canon (the Ōdachi and Kusari-fundo) but they do not have mystic powers. Raph is... well... Raph. He can’t fight with weapons well but he can pack a punch.

Mikey is still a chef and artist, taking a liking to the ability to create, but just like with everything else he “needs to focus on his fights” so he can’t have interests. A kid like Mikey HATES this and any time he can he sneaks away to bake and draw. Usually this is at 2 am.

Leo has anxiety. The minute something not in the plan happens, or a loud noise, or having to talk to someone without a script, he goes into fight-or-flight mode. He often finds that the answer is to fight.

Raph is not necessarily evil- he is an antagonist but he is not evil. He simply has no control and lashes out at everything. That’s why he stays in the sewers. Nothing down there’s moves other than rats, bugs, and the water. But he has to get violent urges out some how.

April is a reporter-in-training in the au, as she never met the turtles until after the Shredder incident. She’s immediately interested in it, as she is everything “supernatural” and she gets dangerously close to some of their fights. I don’t know how they meet yet or if she becomes friends with any of them.

After the Shredder incident, the only thing stopping each turtle from destroying New York is each other. Seriously. They keep getting in each other’s ways because “I want to take over the world, not THEM!”

They all have certain villain stereotypes. Donnie is sort of a mad scientist, Leo is a teasing, monologging villain, Mikey acts like a nut case but has a certain intelligence to him, and Raph appears as a total destroyer.

In the end they get redeemed and find out they’re family, but it takes a while. Mikey is the one to hunt down Draxum, while Leo stalks him. Upon finding this out, having 3 out of 4 looking for each other, they find each other pretty fast. And there’s a big dramatic apology scene with all 3 of them, and at first Donnie thinks they’re conspiring against him and ambushes them but is only met with three harmless turtles who refuse to fight him. They tell him what the deal is and Donnie is shocked. And then he’s pissed. “WHY DIDNT DRAXUM TELL ME!? YOURE LYING! LIARS! NO!” In the end he realizes the truth, but it takes a little “talk” with Draxum. And then Donnie nearly commits murder. Don’t worry they stop him. But there’s no Draxum redemption arc because Donnie would continuously try to commit a felony. April is also somewhere in there and like gives the brothers goodness lessons but idk where that fits in I’m still working this out shajajajajaj

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leorugiet · 7 years

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Character Development “Hard Mode” Meme: send a number & character to my ask box and I’ll write an answer/headcanon in reply.

4. Has your character ever witnessed something that fundamentally changed them? If so, does anyone else know?

(In my headcanon, watching his mother almost burst into flames after a freak accident on a motorcycle is pretty much the main thing that’s up there. Seeing her disfigured and unable to work gave him a big reminder of ‘hey, she’s going to die someday’ and kicked him in the ass that he didn’t want to burden his mother any more, especially now that she couldn’t make money. Still, that’s very specific to my headcanon.

In terms of what we know out of canon, probably everything he witnessed of watching the Crown City literally crumble. Knowing he failed, knowing somehting bad was going to happen yet going along with what the King wanted. Watching a lot of civilians die [another headcanon of course, because, we don’t know how many die, but considering ther aren’t many refugees, I reached two conclusions about the events of Kingsglaive {because it sure as fuck isn’t ‘not a lot of people lived in Insomnia’ that place is fucking huge >:|} 1. a LOT of people fucking died or 2. the ppl making the game didn’t give a fuck about making it look like there was alot of refugees, they just implied it. I ASSUME IT’S THE LATTER, BUT WHATEVER, LET’S GO WITH THE FORMER >:P] in a place he should’ve been able to protect, and not being able to even keep most of his Crownsguard alive, also served as a very painful and sudden change in Cor’s life. Maybe that’s too recent to be fundementally changing, but, I can’t say that didn’t change him to some degree.

As for if anyone knows, I’m gonna assume that yes, because some people knew Cor as a child, especially since he ran away at 13 to join the military then somehow became a King’s Guard at 15, you can’t tell me the people who knew him in his youth wouldn’t have been aware that he must’ve went through some shit to do that. Even people who don’t know him must be aware.)

18.Is your character more likely to admire wisdom, or ambition in others?

Wisdom. Cor is full of ambition and failure, so, he doesn’t value something he already has a ton of. Not to say he doesn’t value ambition in others, but, he’s more likely to coddle ambition. My example being Prompto. Prompto is full of ambition, and Cor is very protective and flattering, so if Prompto does fall on his ass and fail, the landing isn’t as hard as it was for Cor. Prompto wants to prove himself, but he also has kind friends who are competent and there for him. Cor, as far as I imagine, did not have that, if he fucked up he fucked up, nobody was exactly happy to help him, it was more like pity. That’s why he itched to prove himself so much, he went to the Tempering Grounds alone, probably scared the shit out of himself, and somehow came back alive.

Not to mention, Cor being in the military at 13 heavily implies he doesn’t have anything past an elementary school education. I think I’ve said it before, but most of his knowledge is experience and age, he’s actually not that intelligent. He can’t read well, even at this age (because it was never important to him). He writes very to-the-point reports. He doesn’t have a large vocabulary. He’s ‘no nonsense’ because he really couldn’t be any other way. Wisdom is something much more admiriable in his eyes, which is why I imagine that, even though they never interact, Cor is actually slightly intimidated by Ignis, who is the only character [as far as I’ve seen] who he never talks to. The whole DLC is him and Gladio, obviously he speaks to Noctis, and he showers Prompto with praise and advice. Ignis? Nothing.

I know it’s actually kind of amusing to imagine, but I think he’s actually avoidant of Ignis, not purposefully, he just knows he’s an idiot, and doesn’t want to feel more like an idiot, let alone reveal it. Ignis gets his respect for being booksmart and able to apply it to the task at hand. He just doesn’t even let Ignis know that.)

44. How easy or difficult is it for your character to say “I love you?” Can they say it without meaning it?

Impossible. He never says it. A lover can say “I love you.” and he will immediately respond with “I know.” Or. “Thanks.” He means well. It makes him happy. He just can’t return it. If he does, he’s dying. Like, he’s honestly got something horrible about to happen to him because he’s never going to be honest like that unless he knows he’s a step away from death. So, knowing that, you might actually not want him to say I love you, because, that’s what it means.

He can absolutely say it without meaning it. Like, if his lover tells him “Say I love you” he’ll beat around the bush and say it. But, it’s just words when it’s like that. It has no gravity. He’s only saying it because he was asked to say it. It doesn’t matter if the partner he has also never says it, or showers him with that phrase daily. He doesn’t say it. There’s a lot of phrases he refuses to say. “Don’t go.” is one of them. “I missed you.” “Help me.” Is probably the least likely. You’ll hear “I love you.” before “Help me.” comes out of his mouth. It’s not like I love you is an exclusive statement. Cor is just hardheaded and refuses to say a lot of things, that one just ends up being obvious.)

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