#they'll probably be retconning some stuff to make all this fit and stuff

[fivehundredsporks]

vanity fair gave us a little look into the new Fallout show and I've fucking HAD IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm so fucking sick to the back teeth of the Brotherhood of Steel needing to be in every single fucking fallout related thing. It's just like this franchise is INCAPABLE of leaving them in the fucking dust where they fucking belong, stupid fucking techno-facists that get a raging hardon for ethnically cleansing anything vaguely non-human. AND DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THEIR FUCKNIG MARTY SUE SELF INSERT BAD FANFICTION ASS LEADER. HONESTLY It's the fans that are the worst!!! like those fucking reddit dudebros that bust a fucking nut anytime they see a vertibird or some dude in power armour!!! always excusing their actions just because they aren't real or because they look cool!!!

BUT ALSO WHY THE FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKK IS THE PRYDWEN THERE?????????? WHEN ITS SET ON THE WEST FUCKING COASTT!!!!! ACTUALLY BETTER QUESTION WHY IS IT THERE AT ALL!!!!!! STUPID FUCKNIG BLIMP!!!!! AND THEN THEY'RE POWERFUL AGAIN ON THE WEST COAST WHEN BY NEW VEGAS THEY ARE ON THE VERGE OF BEING WIPPED OUT!!!! AND WHY IS IT T-60 AND NOT T-51B!!!!!! T-60 IS EAST COAST!!!!!! I HATE YOU FALLOUT 4!!!! AND THE DAMAGE YOU'VE DONE!!!!!!

#fallout #sporksrants #so #i may have gotten a little bit angry #lmao #but the point still stands #brotherhood of steel suck #we need to expunge them from the fallout series for good #if you like them its cool ig but #keep it to yourself #also quick aside ik its not actually the Prydwen! #now I've calmed down I can be rational about this #they'll probably be retconning some stuff to make all this fit and stuff

[lexosaurus]

isn't the canon thing that ghosts aren't dead at all?? that makes even less sense tbh lmao but yeah either way i guess it points to at least amity park people not being sure, but tbh if all dead people did become ghosts then i can imagine a weird horror scenario where they work tirelessly for immortality because they think they'll all turn into evil spectres unable to let go of life once they die, so fun stuff to be found on both sides

realistically though, in the accepted-fanon-where-ghosts-are-dead-people (but not all dead people are ghosts) i've kinda thought (maybe someone posted it??) that there was a deeper section of the ghostzone (further in from frostbite etc) where more content societies/afterlife things happen, maybe away from living-human perception, but idk do with that what you will. i do think that citizens of amity park would probably have some different beliefs on death for sure though, and some unique traditions would probably spring up as they hope they don't end up as the ghosts they all fear

Okay so there's a bit of discrepancy here about this.

In the actual canon show, many of the ghosts are actual dead people, though not all. The show can't say "dead" because of children's TV censors, but they have multiple storylines (Sydney, Desiree) that show brief moments of when those characters were alive.

So even though not every ghost was given that sort of treatment and there were ghosts like Pandora and Frostbite who probs weren't ever alive at any point, it was actually canon that at least some portion of the ghosts were actually people who had passed.

What basically happened was after the show ended, when Elmer Butch Hartman started on Youtube and wanted to blow up as an internet personality, he retconned the whole stupid thing and dropped the now-infamous, "The ghosts aren't dead people, they're actually monsters from another dimension."

This, along with similarly stupid ideas like Flynn (who doesn't even fit into Elmer's own canon timeline I mean goddamn), are what I like to call, "Butch Phanon." They're not actually canon, they're just what he has come up with in his own fanfiction head now that he's 15+ years removed from the show. It's like the JKRification of Danny Phantom if that makes sense.

Like, there's inherently nothing wrong with a creator making their own retcon-fanon-type-things, but just don't present it as the One True Canon, especially if it explicitly goes against the presented canon in the actual media.

#danny phantom #ask #sorry i kinda went off here

[littlebigmouse]

Thinking about it, I don't think we'll ever get a properly faithful adaptation of the Six of Crows/Crooked Kingdom books, at least not without some serious retconning of everything that happens with the Crows in Shadow and Bone. Let me explain:

As of now, the Crows are cleanly split into two groups. Those who are right where they should be for the Ice Court Heist to begin right now in S&B Season 2, and those who aren't.

Kaz and Inej were clearly set up to be prequel characters that explicitely still have other stuff to do before the Ice Court Heist can happen. They aren't as ruthless or violent as their book counterparts, they work better as a team, Kaz isn't reporting to a boss or running a gang that can usurp him later (we see him running a club, not a gang), Inej is still looking for her brother in Ketterdam and has only just killed a person for the first time, and we didn't see Kaz get violent with anyone at all.

So it wouldn't make sense for these two at all to start next season off with some kind of Ice Court-ish subplot, because that Heist relies on two leads with rather different personalities, and the story would lose a lot if that were changed.

So let's assume we won't get anything Ice Court-ish next season, but instead some sort of plot that gets Kaz out of the the other barrel leader's sight, the Crow Club back (presumably Kaz and the Crow Club are 'saved' by Per Haskell, if they ever want to actually do something resembling the books), potentially a subplot for Inej to find her brother, etc.

But then what the hell are Nina and Matthias supposed to do for another two seasons?

Right now, these two are exactly where SoC starts off. Matthias is in prison, Nina got him there, she still cares about him, he hates her now. Sure, Nina needs to get herself work in Ketterdam and needs to get to know the Crows, but we already got a shot of all Six Crows together in the Sneak Peak for S2, so they won't just slowly get to know each other, they'll already be working together. All six. Matthias, presumably outside of prison, then.

I suppose they could do that. By some ploy, Matthias gets out of prison, Wylan joins the team, they (probably only briefly) all team up to briefly intersect with whatever Alina has going on in her plot. For the team up to make a bit of sense or at least for Nina&Matthias to not remain ultra static for the next two seasons, they'd need to make up again, or at least begin to tolerate each other.

Two possibilities from then on out:

1) The SoC books do get adapted and by some strokes of probably pretty awkward writing Matthias is put back in prison by the end of S3, they hate each other again, Wylan didn't tell anyone (except maybe Kaz) about his dad, everyone's all set up for the Book Heist now. Which would be awkwardly doubling a few points and/or retconning a bunch of plot.

2) No retcons, no changes, but the Ice Court Heist starts from a different point/gets changed to fit where the Crows are at the end of S3.... Which would also make the Heist almost boring, if not completely different, because the biggest factor of that adventure was that everyone at least majorly distrusted one other person on the team and at least half of them would have easily betrayed the rest. That's a big part where the tension came from. Matthias as the hostage, hating them all but Nina in particular, Nina absolutely planning to assassinate Kuwei behind Kaz's back, Kaz and Jesper fighting over Jesper's accidental early betrayel, Kaz having how own unresolved revenge plot for which he endangers the whole mission, no one really knowing Wylan or the truth about why he left home, etc.

I have a feeling S2, if not then S3 will already dig into Wylan's backstory a bit, probably showing him escaping his father's assassins, but if they spoil/reveal the "If you read this, you know how much I love you" plottwist, I will be so mad. It was incredibly well done in the books and to this day one of my fav plottwists ever.

They already gave us Nina's and Matthias' whole backstory, uncovering which was also a pretty nifty part of the Ice Court Heist because it meant you didn't know exactly where these two were coming from until they discussed openly betraying each other & Kaz in the forest the earliest, but I guess the story still works if their backstories aren't revealed gradually. An early reveal of Wylan's entire backstory would tank a lot of tension of the first book, imo.

Since they didn't really do anything with Jesper in the first season, he and Wylan are kinda wildcards. They could both start into the SoC Heist right now, since Jesper's power- or ruthlessness level doesn't really change (he's arguably way weaker in the books) and the only things missing (a serious treatment of his addiction, his crush on Kaz, his relationship to his father) can all still be added later without breaking what has been already established about his character (since he doesn't really have an arc or an inner struggle in S1, that is, not much in the first place).

TL;DR: We'll either get a significantly changed SoC/CK adaptation after S&B, or they'll have to seriously change some things up in S3/post S3 with regards to Nina&Matthias especially for SoC/CK to still work out similarly to the plot in the books.

#soc #sab #s&b #six of crows #shadow and bone #sab netflix #shadow and bone s2 #sab theories #sab speculation #kaz brekker #crooked kingdom #the crows #wylan van eck