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lilsytherinheiress11 · 5 months
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Tomarry Christmas at Hogwarts! DEAD DOVE: DO NOT EAT! TOMARRY AGE GAP SHIP! Staring Christian Coulson as 16.5 year old fifth year TMR.
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saintsenara · 10 months
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rare pair tag game
thanks for the tag, @said-snape-softly :)
i'm pretty sure everyone has done this by now, but if you'd like to, please consider this a blanket tag.
apart from all the tomarry and the odd dabble in remadora, i am a rare-pair enthusiast, so i am delighted to spread some propaganda here... the criterion i've used for a rare-pair is less than 2500 works on ao3.
pairs, little metas, fic recommendations, and some suggestions for authors to follow under the cut.
sirius black/severus snape
why i ship it:
this one can just about claim to be a rare-pair.
sirius and severus are narrative mirrors, whose complicated relationship to themselves and to each other is crucial for driving several of the most important arcs in the series.
in particular, sirius - constantly haunted by guilt and grief over his role in the death of the man he loved [you can decide if his love for james is platonic or not, but i definitely think the text thinks it isn't...], trapped in his childhood home, unable to have his real loyalties acknowledged before his death by the fact he's on the run - leads harry through his journey in hero-worshipping, then being disappointed in, then forgiving james. and then promptly dies.
this is one of harry's most significant areas of personal growth - it begins to chip away at his rather black-and-white morality, which is finally destroyed by his ability to confront the complexity of dumbledore in deathly hallows - but it is also key narratively: harry coming to understand james starts to hint to the reader that it is lily - otherwise absent from her son's conception of himself - who is the key to the mystery...
which brings us to severus - constantly haunted by guilt and grief over his role in the death of the woman he loved, trapped in his childhood home, unable to have his real loyalties acknowledged before his death by the fact he's a spy - who gives harry, and us, the final piece of the puzzle. and then promptly dies.
put them together, though? well, you get the delicious tension of two fundamentally broken people - who cannot comprehend the possibility of their own redemption - bound to each other. can they forgive each other and themselves? is it a disaster? the story can go either way.
and even in fluff there is so much potential for d r a m a between sirius' recklessness and severus' cunning, sirius' emotional control and severus' temper, the fact that sirius is canonically hot and severus is canonically not, how they react to harry and draco [i don't usually accept the fanon that severus is his godfather, except when it means snack can be fighting about it], and so on.
and i'm a sucker for two bitter old men getting a happy ending. sue me.
want to give it a read?
if you trust nothing else i say in my life [and why should you] you can trust this - second life by nwhiker and cassandra7 is one of the greatest pieces of writing i have ever seen, not only in this pairing but in this fandom full stop. it's a profound and solemn meditation on loving and grieving, choice and chance, and the great pain caused by the divide between the magical and the muggle worlds.
then, for gorgeous angst with a happy ending - two boys kissing by @writcraft and the merit in trying by brightened
albus dumbledore/tom riddle | voldemort
why i ship it:
the facetious answer is because they wouldn't be so obsessed with each other if there wasn't some sexual tension underneath it.
the facetious and nsfw answer is because it appeals to the part of me whose favourite book aged 11 was lolita
the serious answer is that they should be horrifying together: they're both liars; both incredibly self-righteous; both living behind masks which conceal their true emotions and motivations; dumbledore took one look at tom as an eleven-year-old, said "he reminds me of gellert", and then did nothing about it; tom thinks dumbledore's a hypocrite and is right, although not for the reasons he thinks; there is a colossal age gap; there is virtually no scenario in any timeline where they could be openly in a relationship unless one of them is concealing his identity; and - really, this seems quite minor in the grand scheme of things - they are constantly trying to destroy each other.
but.
intellectually, they are the only two characters in the series who could be the other's equal - i'm sure that violent arguments about the twelve uses of dragon's blood trigger the majority of their sexual encounters, and a man who's passionate about your research is hot.
if either of them ever fancy being honest - so, no - there is a shared cavernous [although, in tom's case, unacknowledged] grief in their lives which has shaped their not-as-divergent-as-the-text-thinks-they-are views on death, love, duty and so on. their active refusal to understand each other [i.e. dumbledore entirely misreading voldemort's motivations in the job interview scene] and commitment to constantly underestimating each other [i.e. voldemort bouncing around like an idiot in the chamber of secrets instead of using his brain and remembering what a phoenix is] could, in time, lead to something almost resembling acceptance. i mean, just imagine the hurt/comfort sex which happens when voldemort finds out about grindledore.
the way dumbledore describes the young riddle - "self-sufficient, secretive, and, apparently, friendless" - is also an exact description of him. that each sees himself in the other canonically drives their hatred of each other, but it could also appeal to two very vain men in a much racier way. after all, who doesn't want to bang their narrative mirror?
and being an orphan probably doesn't seem so bad when you realise your boyfriend's family is aberforth.
want to give it a read?
i can't recommend concordance by @laeveteinn enough, particularly for one of the best-written dumbledores i've ever seen. i find dumbledore is often written either as far more whimsical than i'd like, or far more fiery and radical [when one of his most interesting personality traits in canon is his tendency towards inaction], but this dumbledore is the perfect balance of contradictions, while tom is his canonical feral self, longing to perceived, rather than the emotionless sociopath of so many other stories.
i also recommend as an entire ocean in a drop by eldritcher, which really leans into just how similar these two are underneath all the artifice.
albus dumbledore/severus snape
why i ship it:
well, we've had dumbledore with one lost boy, let's have him with another [i haven't been brave enough to venture into dumbledore/harry yet, but i'll take recommendations...]
as with riddledore, we have the potential for horror here: a vast power imbalance; enormous age gap; the fact dumbledore sends snape out to potentially die every time he goes off to voldemort; and - this is the crucial one - the fact that dumbledore's recognition of himself in snape is pure self-loathing ["you disgust me"] manifested in punishment [allowing snape to be humiliated in front of fudge, not stopping the presumed-to-be-real moody searching his office, making him give harry occlumency lessons, not letting him teach defence against the dark arts].
but then this stops, when snape does the tremendously brave thing of agreeing to kill dumbledore, and their dynamic equalises, as dumbledore recognises that snape is courageous, steadfast, and redeemed. i'm always struck in half-blood prince by the fact that dumbledore has it with harry's sniping about snape and straight-up tells him to shut up, as well as by the fact that he very nearly gives the game away and confesses why snape switched sides [the thing he promised not to do] when harry finds out it was snape who gave voldemort the prophecy.
and within this equalised dynamic - so this hot geriatric sex is happening in the afterlife, i guess - we have two men who are intellectual close-to-equals, who understand grief and guilt, whose aesthetic senses are charmingly mismatched, who are rarely honest but might be for each other, and who have lots of profound similarities which might lead somewhere...
want to give it a read?
cheerfully disregarding everything i've just said about how snumbledore could work, i highly recommend in infinite remorse of soul by @perverse-idyll, which is a chilling look at how dumbledore uses the power imbalance between the two to assuage his own guilt through snape's humiliation.
for something much more wholesome, i'm a big fan of byzantium by eldritcher
petunia dursley/severus snape
why i ship it:
because vernon is a dick.
i'm fond of petunia, who i think is one of the most interesting characters in the series because of how full of contradictions she is, and who i think is also a victim in fandom spaces of how the adult cast was aged up for the films [in canon, she's only in her early twenties when lily dies, and the implication is that vernon is a good deal older than her)] which makes her inadequacies, such as her inability to truly care for either child in the household, seem much more nuanced than they do if she's pictured as a middle-aged woman with considerable life experience.
like snape, she teeters on a knife edge between various chasms: she is a working-class girl from the midlands made good in middle-class surrey, he is a working-class half-blood boy who spends most of his life in pureblood circles; she ends up with her whole life wrapped up in a square little house when she's barely out of her teens, he ends up with his whole life wrapped up in spying at the same age; she hates the wizarding world and yet covets it, he hates the muggle world and yet cannot escape it; she loves lily and she hates her and she loathes her for dying, he... well, you know the rest.
want to give it a read?
i was first convinced by this pairing by the lovely regretfully yours by @maria-de-salinas, which takes both snape and petunia's awkwardness and bitterness and moulds it into something really tender.
i also highly recommend barking at the moon by rinsbane, the summary of which speaks for itself.
merope gaunt/tom riddle sr.
why i ship it:
our first canon pairing, and probably the most problematic of the canon relationships, since the series never acknowledges that tom sr. is a rape victim.
but i have found myself recently in my merope era and, in particular, in an attempt to give her more nuance than she gets in canon. as i've said to anyone who'll listen in the three broomsticks discord server, i loathe the implication in canon that merope dies because she just cba to live [since it directly justifies voldemort's belief that her death was shameful] and prefer to see her as someone who was desperate to escape a truly horrifying life [the fact she's going to be forced into an incestuous relationship with morfin is right there in canon...] and so did something she didn't have the capacity to understand the implications of [this is not a woman who's ever heard of consent] because she thought it would give her the first chance to be happy in her life, watched it all crash and burn around her, and would have very much liked to have lived to raise her son.
i doubt there was anything real or tender in her relationship with tom sr., of course, and his escape - while merely a brief stay of execution from his son's perspective - is tremendously brave. it's impossible to write tom/merope fluff [although i respect you if you're inclined to try] but fanfiction gives a space to explore the intricacies of their relationship which canon doesn't allow, and i'm obsessed.
want to give it a read?
i'm recommending myself here, and assuring you that you will enjoy: enchanter's nightshade, which explores how merope's attempts to keep her husband enslaved fail; the snow child, which treats the relationship as folk-horror; and the shack at the end of the lane, in which there is redemption, in the end.
the best exploration of tom sr. dealing with the fallout of the relationship is @phantomato's exquisite ganymede, which feels so truly embodied that you can't pull yourself away from the page.
bellatrix lestrange/tom riddle | voldemort
why i ship it:
our second canon pairing, i am obsessed with these two and the tragedy and - to some extent - tenderness bound up in their relationship [which can be proven to be there because noted softy @whinlatter loves them].
i've written before about my conviction - in contrast to a lot of bellatrix fans - that her relationship with rodolphus is utterly miserable, and that voldemort is the only man in her life who can understand her desire to make a life for herself which is not constrained by the gendered expectations of her social class.
obviously, lord voldemort is not a shining paragon of a boyfriend [and he is an awful choice as a baby daddy, bella, get it together], but i think the enormous power imbalance is perhaps slightly less enormous than is sometimes assumed - certainly, she tells him to his face in half-blood prince that he's wrong to trust snape [she's a clever woman], voldemort never physically punishes her for anything [rip to lucius malfoy, who seems to get picked for this in her stead], and voldemort tolerates a surprising amount of nonsense from her which shatters his mystique.
all of which is to say... the scream when she dies isn't just because he's losing the war.
want to give it a read?
tee hee, i'm recommending myself again, and encouraging you to take a look at: atramentum, bellamort's last afternoon together before voldemort goes to the potters; nor all that glisters gold, bellatrix's life - including her relationship with voldemort - through sirius' eyes; and death (eaters) in paradise, because murderous psychopaths deserve crack fics too.
draco malfoy/tom riddle | voldemort
why i ship it:
because the ship name is taco.
these two are a pairing which i enjoy with my tongue firmly in my cheek [and tom's tongue firmly in draco's], as i do with most other things in which draco is a main character [do i want to read drarry angst? no! do i want to chuckle? absolutely!], although this should not be taken as saying that many of taco's fabulous authors don't manage to make the pairing entirely plausible.
in fact, consensual taco [non-con is, of course, its own beast] often has some of the best characterisation of both tom [fretful, mercurial, stubborn, and nowhere near as charming as he thinks he is] and draco [prissy, a very good judge of character, someone who likes being taken care of, and much braver than he appears if he absolutely has to be] i've seen in the fandom, largely because - unlike other voldemort-centric ships [especially tomarry, but also voldemort + any of the adult death eaters] - there's no sense of inevitability there. these two aren't connected by a shared bit of soul, or a prophecy, or having gone to school together, or having been hooked in by voldemort in the first war when he was unassailable.
they have to choose each other. or, more accurately, draco has to choose tom, and tom has to get chosen.
and the results have me entertained.
want to give it a read?
then you will want to have a look at the travelling cabinet by @the-paper-monkey [and its sequel, bluebeard], truly the gold standard of taco content with an absolutely brilliant draco, whose sheer capacity to cling on and make himself an irremovable part of tom's life may just end up changing the course of history.
narcissa malfoy/severus snape
why i ship it:
because i am in deep with the conspiracy theory that it's canon. i am absolutely certain that narcissa is the person that voldemort is referring to at the end of deathly hallows - "he desired her, that was all, but when she had gone, he agreed that there were other women, and of purer blood, worthier of him". it seems highly unlikely to me that the canonical voldemort would give a shit about snape fancying any random pureblood [although the snapemort version is, naturally, hugely jealous], but snape having had some sort of liaison with narcissa, and the ability knowing this gives voldemort to humiliate snape, narcissa, the memory of lily, bellatrix, lucius, and draco is definitely information he would go out of his way to remember...
plus, how do you know where he lives, babe? v suspicious.
want to give it a read?
if you want some fluff, you will very much enjoy the incredibly sweet the reformed man by gingertart50, which features narcissa nursing snape back to health post-nagini and is a favourite re-read for me when i'm drunk and it's christmas.
if you want some very-much-not-fluff, other women and of purer blood by yours truly will scratch the itch...
minerva mcgonagall/severus snape
why i ship it:
because i'm an equal-opportunity age-gap fan, and there is far too little older woman/younger man in the fandom.
and look, i'll admit it, i'm a fan of the fanon that snape and mcgonagall are friends prior to dumbledore's death - i'm not sure it's canonically plausible, but this sign can't stop me because i can't read - and i like the idea of that blossoming into something more, especially in fics where snape survives the second war. after all, he is a man who definitely needs to be treated quite strictly [and i don't just mean in the staff room], there is a shared loneliness and grief to them both, they're intellectual equals despite the age gap, and bickering about quidditch is absolutely fine as a method of foreplay.
plus, you can't tell me dumbledore's portrait doesn't ship it.
want to give it a read?
for a fic which shows minerva at her acerbic - and yet still sensual - best, always but not necessarily forever by gingertart50 is an old, fluffy, and very funny, favourite.
for something much more bittersweet, that good night by kelly_chambliss has my heart.
severus snape/tom riddle | voldemort
why i ship it:
because voldemort is canonically down bad for it - there is no need to believe snape's ridiculous cover story for not attending his resurrection, to try and spare lily as a treat for his man, and to give him a nice, painful death which allows the narrative to move on and harry to defeat him if the dark lord isn't firmly in his simp era.
more seriously, they obviously have an enormous amount in common, particularly in terms of their backgrounds [harry draws a connection between all three of them, but actually the fact that harry is rich in the wizarding world, not a slytherin, and with a muggle mother, therefore giving him a pureblood name, means he can't relate to the post-childhood experience of both halves of snapemort].
as a result, i think snape is the death eater who comes the closest to understanding voldemort's motivations - above all, the fact that he's not seeking an oligarchy, which the malfoys etc. obviously believe - while voldemort is someone snape feels understands his intellectual interests and his creativity.
want to give it a read?
boy, are you in luck, because i myself have a snapemort wip - scylla and charybdis. it is not wholesome.
tom riddle/myrtle warren
why i ship it:
because it started as crack and now i love them.
in particular, i just have so much respect for being incredibly annoying as a method of seduction, and i think myrtle's commitment to just following tom around chattering at him - and, therefore, without her realising it, preventing him from committing all sorts of crimes - is iconic.
want to give it a read?
then my unhinged rom-com - bookbinding - shall provide.
tom riddle | voldemort/ginny weasley
why i ship it:
because i enjoy seeing my dear friends who ship hinny shake and cry.
but also because ginny and tom have an enormous number of similarities, right down to the fact that they both have yew wands [if you're sick of people saying harry has an oedipus complex, you'll be delighted to be confronted with the mountain of evidence ginny reminds him of the villain who keeps trying to kill him instead].
they are both very good liars, quick thinking, remarkably resistant to shame, possessed of nerves of steel, predisposed to violence, brown-eyed, so hot they have harry gagged, and the profound enemy of someone whose surname is smith.
despite what he claims, tom was absolutely not just sat politely in that diary gritting his teeth while ginny complained about having second hand robes and idiot brothers. as he says, he opted "to start feeding [her] a few of my secrets", and i think it's justifiable from canon that they were at the very least half-truths [for example, i would not be shocked to discover he tells her he's a half-blood orphan brought up against his will in the muggle world - there's no other reason, i think, for him to successfully make her tell him these things about harry without it], which means that ginny has lots of lovely emotional leverage over him.
plus, as with tomarry, you have the element of "this is kind of inevitable" in the relationship, and the mysteries of fate are always sexy.
want to give it a read?
this is a tommary/hinny/tominny triad, but it has had me in a chokehold since the first time i read it - shameful company by merrivale, which, truly iconically, manages to be epilogue compliant.
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Not to be a Debbie Downer or anything but it IS a bit frustrating watching people tag things that are clearly Harrymort, as Tomarry. I'm trying to find specific content, because actually fully realized Dark Lord Voldemort/Harry James Potter fics have far less in numbers than Tom Riddle/Harry Potter fics. I want the evil overload drama queen for a reason.
I wish people were less self-conscious about the age gaps of their ships and can just be honest about who is in the ship itself. Tagging it as solely Tom Riddle when Voldy is 75 in your fic, resents his name and human face, and is the world's biggest bigot, is truly annoying as hell.
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i respect everyone's opinions on what they ship except FUCK YOU if you ship ships like remadora, snarry, tomarry, or any other romances with huge ass age gaps.
ESPECIALLY the ones with a minor and an adult. you're fucking wrong for that.
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urstarlitharlot · 5 months
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Rating Different Harry Potter Ships
drarry: 6/10 can be good, not my fav
lavmione: 10/10: i love them sm they're such a weird pair but in the best way
hedric: 8.5/10 the age gap is a bit iffy but other than that its a good ship 🫶🏽 i love how harmione95 writes them
linny: 9/10: i don't like OBSESS over this ship but it is my fav ginny one and i LOVE luna
wolfstar: 10/10 the it girl ship. no cons only pros. i love them sm
pansmione: 1/10 hell no. thats all i have to say
tomarry: 1/10 its so bad i want to give you a zero. but thats not possible, so i give you a 1
dramione: 1/10 literally the worst ship in harry potter that isnt a proship
ronarry: off the charts/10 my favorite hp ship of all time i love them
hinny: 6/10 kinda mid, great in some fics, was a but boring in the books (not in a all straight people are boring way in a i feel like their relationship was way too sudden and undeveloped i just didnt like it in canon)
moonwater: 2/10 the only dynamic i can stand of them is friends i would rather die than ship them
moonrosekiller: 1/10 same as moonwater but WORSE
wiseflower: 9/10 same as linny, love it
nottpott: 3/10 why?? im not hating but like why theo was mentioned like once he was so irrelevant anyway
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the-paper-monkey · 5 months
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Really find your opinion of dracomort true in the sense that it's mainly a noncon ship true. Personally never saw tom as a sexual being, he is kind of in an asexual spectrum for me. What's your opinion on drarry, tomarry and harrymort?(on basis of canon)
Yes, I generally write Tom as some sort of acespec.
By 'basis of canon' I assume you mean their plausibility in canon?
If so, Drarry certainly has the greatest probability given that no moral event horizon crossing crimes have occurred between them. There is a great deal of freedom when it comes to writing post-war drarry. There's also a lot to build on - Harry using Draco's wand to kill Voldemort, Draco avoiding identifying Harry at Malfoy Manor, Fiendfyre, Sectumsempra, their shared cousin/godson, Harry being Sirius's heir vs Draco being the last of the Blacks, etc. In some ways theyre two sides of the same coin - children used as pawns by powerful men. In other ways, they couldn't be more different.
I've also answered asks about Tomarry vs Taco and my ideal Drarry dynamic previously, which I think are relevant here :)
Tomarry is probably a ship that varies wildly depending on how the writer has chosen to make them meet. Same Age AU or No Magic AU are VERY different propositions to a Canon-Divergent Time-Travel or Horcrux fic to me. The core reason is that well, um, Voldemort killed Harry's parents and the prophecy makes any sort of reconciliation very difficult. No matter how much he likes a person, I believe Tom's self-preservation instinct would override that.
I do think Tom and Harry could come to respect each other. Harry has a lot of traits that Tom values and vice versa. In HBP we see Harry develop a reluctant admiration for Tom's bravery and audacity when confronting his uncle. But I really have a hard time ever seeing Harry's morals bend to accommodate Tom's bigotry, nor Tom limit himself to placate Harry. Think leaning into the shades of reckless violence and anger in Harry's personality and aligning them against a common enemy is where I'd take it. Still, Harry wouldn't put up with Tom's genocidal tastes. I find it implausible enough in older Drarry fics when Harry turns a blind eye to Draco calling Hermione a Mudblood (or worse, treats it like a charming personality quirk), let alone tolerating TOM'S attitudes sdfghjk
While Diary!Tom is curious about Harry as a genuine potential threat (though ultimately decides that he's overhyped), Voldemort only views him as an obstacle—Dumbledore's puppet—as he puts it. I don't think Voldemort has any interest in Harry as a person. He just wants to dispose of him in the most theatrical fashion possible to reassert his own power and dominance after being bested by a baby. Similar to what I said on the Dracomort ask about him needing to see Draco as a separate identity from Lucius, the same is necessary for Harry from Dumbledore. My opinion on Harrymort isn't particularly different from my opinion on Dracomort. The fifty year age gap puts a strain on plausibility for me for there ever being any real love or respect, but anything else goes. Now, Voldemort and an older Harry—maybe in his 30s or 40s—could be a different conversation.
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danpuff-ao3 · 1 year
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Random Thought while I draft up a Tomarry Synastry post, but...why isn't Tomarrymort my ship of choice???? (Read more for randomness, weirdness, and grossness kinkiness.)
It's like...the ultimate enemies to lovers, right? One murdered the other's parents and they're at actual war with each other, come on. Like: attempted murder, what could be sexier????
And that age gap???? Hello, Daddy. Granddaddy, I mean, that's 54 years, buddy.
Opposites attract, am I right? Hello hero/villain.
They both talk to snakes. This is the ultimate Parseltongue kink!!!!
Their eyes. This is dumb but idc. Red and green! So Christmassy! Also: Voldemort's eyes are red (like Gryffindor) and Harry's are green (like Slytherin.) I could roll around in eye descriptions, happy as a clam.
People using Horcruxes to = soulmates?? I dig it.
All the dead dove potential. They're dripping in dead dove potential.
This is so up my alley!!!! All these extremes. I live and breathe extremes, baby!
Alas, I found Snarry first and they are my soul ship. I stand by it. But on paper...wow. That is a mighty fine ship you have there, folks.
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touchlikethesun · 1 year
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what’s wrong with tomarry?
oh LMAO um nothing really, it's just personal preference.
like i can get behind enemies to lovers, but harry potter and voldemort is a step too far for me.
i could go on and say that there are bad power dynamics, a pretty large age gap, and really really toxic/abusive tendencies, but at the end of the day, i will always just say ship and let ship.
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The Game
By: Rendered Reversed (FF | AO3)
Ship: Tom Riddle/Harry Potter  
Last Updated: 2014-11-28 
Summary: !MAJOR NON-MAGIC AU! VolDeMort, an infamously vicious PvPer. Scarred, a ridiculously lucky warrior. HBPrince, their unfortunate priest (sage, but really, who's keeping track?). Together, they're the smallest of the top 10 teams on CoS Online, and probably the most dysfunctional as well... Eventual TMR/HP SLASH, pairings inside.
Opinion: This fic is so cute. It’s kinda OOC but it makes sense when you see where the characters are coming from. Everything in the world is well built and parallels canon well. It’s just so adorable and makes me squee every time I read it. It’s a must-read fic for any Tomarry fic.
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lilsytherinheiress11 · 5 months
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Tomarry Christmas Moodboard! DEAD DOVE: DO NOT EAT! AGE GAP TOMARRY SHIP! Staring Christian Coulson as 16.5 year old fifth year TMR.
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saintsenara · 9 months
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what is your opinion about snarry?
thank you for the ask, anon - and thank you for the almost identical ask anon 2.0!
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i have always been someone who dabbles in snarry, and it is certainly a ship with some astonishingly talented writers. most of the stories which have prompted me to cry and stare blankly into the middle distance have been snarry, and the ship also produces some really top-tier filth when it comes to smut. as someone who herself contains multitudes, i like that.
and i think it has a pretty solid justification in both harry and snape’s canon characters - although i’m certainly not trying to claim it’s canon-compliant as a relationship. harry adores the half-blood prince because they are sincerely intellectually compatible, because they have a similar sense of humour, and because they have a shared reactivity and emotional volatility. harry empathises with - and even respects, on some occasions - snape well before the conclusion of deathly hallows and, since one of the things which makes me a tomarry girly is harry’s instinctive understanding of how voldemort’s childhood affected him, that’s a trope i love in snarry too. post-war, i think they are one of the pairings best equipped to help each other deal with the trauma of having been - in many senses - a pawn, and i think that snape is, really, the only person in harry’s life who could ever come close to appreciating what it means to have dumbledore send you out to your near-death.
and i have no objection to any of the common criticisms which one might hear against snarry. i literally don’t care about the student/teacher dynamic or the age difference - both because these aren’t real people, because taboos are hot, and because the complexity of the relationship provides a really interesting look at the power differential in and of itself. i am often struck by a trope i find in snarry in which snape’s feelings for harry are accompanied by so much self-loathing that he offers harry the upper hand in their power dynamic despite the fact that he is the younger partner. as someone regrettably committed to student/teacher riddledore - in which the age-gap-related power dynamic is generally not reversed - i find this a fascinating way of exploring the characters both within and outside of a romantic context. after all, the canonical snape is also someone whose relationships with the main men in his life - dumbledore and voldemort - is defined by subordination, and, in dumbledore’s case, outright humiliation and shame. that the snape of canon regards harry as someone who possesses power over him - his complaints about harry being rich and spoiled and arrogant not only make clear that he considers harry to have inherited the dynamic he had with james, but also that harry is inherently an insider (financially, in terms of having a pureblood name, etc.) to the wizarding world while he is an outcast. that can cause some exquisite toxicity - especially when the wizarding world finds out its golden hero is getting railed by a tenuously-acquitted death eater - but it can also result in a partnership which is surprisingly beautiful. after all, harry likes to save people, snape would like to be looked after, they make it work.
i also don’t object to the lily thing, largely because - as someone who writes harry regularly fucking his parents’ murderer - it seems quite tame in comparison. but also, it draws out a fanfiction theme which i am obsessed with - that there is a lost generation, of which snape (and sometimes sirius and lupin) is the only survivor. this is something i prefer in snack - and in post-1981 snily - but it’s there in snarry too. snape provides harry with a connection to a world he would be a stranger to otherwise. harry provides snape with a nostalgic mooring when he is buffeted by the grief of being the only one of his teenage acquaintances still alive.
i also like the idea of snape - as harry’s boyfriend - and petunia meeting. fucking your enemy’s nephew is iconic, there’s no two ways about it.
but, with this said, they can never be my otp. the man of snape’s dreams is, as we all know, lord voldemort. the man of harry’s dreams is the same. the destructive power of that triad has the potential to destroy the world.
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severusish · 2 years
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Thank you for that input on that anti-ship post. If I hadn’t seen your rebuttal I might have not seen the core of the issue. Honestly if they don’t like a ship just hush and block/unfollow as needed. Ship hate is just about as bad as Snape hate on here sometimes and it’s tiring. ily 😘
Hiii! Aww. Thanks so much. I agree! If you don’t like a ship it’s best not to assign negative labels in such a public way.
I think the main problem with people being against Remadora (more so than people being against a Snamione with a Legally Aged Hermione aka 18+, because Snamione was not canon and Remadora was) is that there are loads of people who are in age gaps of 10+ years in real life.
Being anti the age element of Remadora is like saying “Screw everyone in age gap relationships,” even though Lupin’s main reason for rejecting Tonks initially was his Lycanthrophy which he was terrified of inflicting on her and any potential child of theirs.
As someone who is in an age disparate relationship it is also the reason why I can more easily visualize and understand a relationship with an age gap, which many haters or antis of the relationship are not in a position to personally comprehend.
There is zero shame in shipping Snamione. The implication with Anti-Snamione is that everyone who does ship is a creep who likes to read about illegal relationships with minors aka ped*philia. WHICH IS COMPLETELY FALSE. Typically the reason why people ship Snamione is because they thought Hermione not only deserved someone different or “better” than Ron on an intellectual level but also because they think Hermione would be happier in a relationship with someone older, like when she dated Viktor. Btw I’m not into Ron bashing; he was an excellent strategist. The reason for shipping as we all know is usually based both in 1.) imagination and 2.) wishful thinking and 3.) PURE THIRST. (Lmao)
In some ways shipping Snape with Hermione was inspired by the dynamic we saw between her and Viktor who is also a dark mysterious person who excels in Dark Arts.
Another reason why people ship Hermione might be because they see themselves in Hermione AND really like Snape. So it makes sense to ship something that you would have liked to experience yourself, if you were in someone else’s shoes. Other way around works too: some people see themselves in Snape but love Hermione, and want to write them together.
I also don’t see any of this flack that we get with Snamione against Snarry, Sevitus, Tomarry, Bellamione, or Snuna.
I enjoy loads of other ships, and I’m inspired by Hermione and Snape because I see a potential there for excellent stories and new ideas — a potential that I know loads of other people also see. Both Severus and Hermione are intelligent. Both were bullied growing up. Both have Muggle backgrounds. Both have huge ambition and thirst for knowledge. Both have incredible capacities when it comes to understanding riddles and logic.
It makes sense why the ship would have been created and would have become one of the most popular HP ships currently existing.
I could go on forever but I’m glad my rebuttal was useful. Thanks for reading! Ily too! 🥰🥰
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sordidsparrow · 3 years
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The age gap argument used against tomarry never fails to exasperate and frustrate me
At what age is an immortal "allowed" to date a young adult by modern fandom standards? Bc from what I've seen, if they're 70? Too old to date a young adult. Bad. Immoral. 300? Yeah, that's chill, carry on. Honestly
I get that ages past the normal human lifespan make it a bit more palatable since it exemplifies the fantasy aspect of the person's age, but critical thinking indicates that a "middle aged" immortal really shouldn't be any more morally squicky than a centuries old immortal
"Well then, no immortals should date young adults!" you may say, but the power imbalance between an immortal and a mortal will always be skewed. It's unavoidable. An immortal can't just forget the decades-centuries of knowledge and experience they've accrued and even a mortal aged 80+ won't be able to measure up, so unless immortals just don't date mortals (try convincing fantasy writers to adhere to that one), then people really need to lighten up
On top of that, nobody's forcing you to ship tomarry. I respect your discomfort & lack of interest, fandom is a different & personal experience for everyone
TL;DR if the age gap between Tom and Harry bothers you, I understand your feelings but I disagree with your logic
(Note: this particular post doesn't mention fics/art where Harry's depicted as a teenager or the enemies to lovers ("he murdered his parents!") aspect because frankly while I'd love to delve into that, I just don't have the patience this 5 minutes, so I'll leave that for another day. Please don't comment about it on this post, save it for later or make your own post)
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kissmemoredrabbles · 3 years
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Drabble requests open!!
My fandoms:
- Harry Potter
- Percy Jackson and the Olympians + Heroes of Olympus + Trials of Apollo
- Magnus Chase and the Gods of Asgard
- Fruits Basket 2019
- Avatar the Last Airbender + The Legend of Korra
- Naruto + Naruto Shipudden
- Demon Slayer (Kimetsu no Yaiba)
- Miraculous Ladybug
- Throne of Glass (Up until Empire of Storms)
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Ships I will NOT write for/about:
- Any ship with an age gap greater than ten years
- Dramione
- Bellamione
- Cissamione
- Andromione
- Tomarry / Harrymort
- Percico / Pernico
- Lukercy
- Kyo x Yuki
- Akito x Shigure
- Zutara
- Zukaang
- Makorra
- Masami
- KakaSaku
- Elorcan
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Other than that, I’m open for anything! 
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How to make people stop shipping snamione and other age gap fetish pairings? When will they finally see it's wrong on so many levels? I, as a victim of harassment by authority figure, am very disgusted by this.
You can't stop them. Some people just have that pedo/abuse kink. It's better to block those tags. Block all pedo ship tags. Snarry, snamione, bellamione, tomarry, tomione etc.
And I am sorry that you went through that. xx
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danpuff-ao3 · 1 year
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tomarry/harrymort!
Oh nooooo 🙈 Another toughie! I'm going to tentatively say "no" with the caveat that I'm really hecka into it and seeing lots of potential.
1.) Why don’t you ship it?
Cuz I'm still crazy devoted to Snarry 🥺 Also I don't really see it working longterm and lasting. (I still need to be fully sold on it so I'm just looking to be convinced at this point 🤣) (Then I'd answer this yes/no like I did Snupin, I think.)
2.) What would have made you like it?
If Snarry hadn't waltzed into my life and changed my whole world and captured my heart...probably?
3.) Despite not shipping it, do you have anything positive to say about it?
Um yes it's amazing. Enemies to lovers x1000. Age gap???? SUCH A GAP OH GOD. That is smoking hot. Tom/Voldemort being mega possessive? Yes please and thank you. Hate fucking? Awesome. Hot Tom but also Snakeface Voldemort?? Sexy as heck, thank you. Horcruxes = soulmates???? I dig it???? AHHH.
The potential for super problematic content. All the imprisonment/slavery/dub-con goodness. Wartime fuckery?? Oh oh! Imagine: caught in a fuck or die situation in the middle of the war. Fun times.
And time travel shenanigans!! Oh oh! I've read a Harry/Snape/Snape with older Snape and younger Snape and now I'm like "Harry/Tom/Voldemort????" (Wow I'm having Thoughts™️)
Also the potential for them learning about themselves through each other?? Voldemort learning about forgiveness, and maybe seeing his own capacity to love. Harry having to face more of his own dark side and his own jealousy, possessiveness, rage, violence, etcetera.
Also being mega powerful super-husbands???? Hot as heck.
Also they're both Parselmouths and my Parseltongue kink is tingling.
(Danni are you sure you don't ship it?? Are you very sure? 🧐)
(I am a lady who sees potential, okay??)
ship asks
answered: Dramione, Snarry, Jegulus, Jily, Dron, Starbucks, Riddledore, Snupin, Remadora, Fleurmione, Snack, Snumbledore, Scorbus, Jeddy, Moonchaser, Snamione, Ronmione, Tomarrymort
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