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neil-gaiman · 8 months
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Hi Mr.Gaiman!
First of all, thank you so much for GO2.
It's true that when I saw it for the first time, my heart broke into pieces, but the more time passed, the more I was convinced that this was the best ending for this story.
But sir, I have a question. In episode 3, when Crowley And Aziraphale were in the graveyard, why didn't Azirapiel perform a miracle to disable the security system and thus keep Maria alive?
Because he didn't think of it.
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voiganna · 8 months
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NEIL LITERALY CONFIRMED ON TWITTER THAT ELSPETH AND WEE MORAG ARE A COUPLE OVER A DAY AGO, WHY THE FANDOM IS SO SILENT ABOUT IT???????
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good-soupmens · 7 months
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I think I found a parallel: Wee Morag wanted to play the long game. She'd rather have worked tooth and nail to get out of poverty because she wanted to do it "right." She didn't want to "cheat her way out" by digging up bodies.
We're meant to sympathize with Elspeth (after all, Mr. Dalrymple could use the bodies for research) and she wanted what was best for both of them. But her mistake was convincing Wee Morag to help her despite Wee Morag not being on board, which led to her death
That COULD be what would've happened if Crowley convinced Aziraphale to run away with him. He wasn't wrong for wanting it, but it would put them both in danger. Aziraphale learned that sometimes it's necessary to act within the morally gray, but he also knows about the grave guns: Heaven and Hell
Even when running away looks like the best option, they have to come together on a plan. They need to eliminate the danger
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certifiablyinsanez · 5 months
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It’s a shame that Crowley and Aziraphale couldn’t be friends with Elspeth and Morag. They’re so weird! These two dripped out rich folks that were just randomly in a graveyard at midnight, not there for body snatching, just start taking an interest in your criminal activities. One of them offers to help! They follow you home and just hang out, even though surely they must have better things to do? Morag doesn’t even question why these men are even here? Why is one English??? Why are they taking such an interest in the lives of broke ass Scottish girls? The Englishman somehow makes a fresh body fully decompose. Suddenly the Englishman is cool with body snatching after like 30 minutes and now he also wants to help? The ginger can drink poison and not die? He can shrink and grow? I mean they’re dressed to the nines but HOW RICH IS THIS ENGLISHMAN THAT HES GOT THE EQUIVALENT OF LIKE 10 GRAND JUST ON HIM??? In the victorian age where scams and pickpocketing were out of control? HE JUST GIVES IT AWAY??? No wonder Elspeth ran out at the end, Morag didn’t survive the night with these freaks and she might not’ve either.
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greenthena · 5 months
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The Eldritch Ball or Aziraphale's Macabre Danse
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I'm a huge sucker for dark classical music (I'm using the term "classical" broadly, not referring to the specific period. Music-y folks, please forgive.) As such, Saint-Saëns's "Danse Macabre" is one of my all time favorite pieces. It's spooky. It's intentionally dissonant. It's even got a jump scare! Like, literally, the perfect piece of music.
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The story behind "Danse Macabre" goes like this: Each Halloween at midnight, Death enters the graveyard with a fiddle. As he plays, the skeletons rise from the ground and dance through the cemetery, resurrected by Death's power and possessed by his instrument.
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In S2 E3, the Bentley plays "Danse Macabre" as Aziraphale drives up to Edinburgh. "What do we do? We play classical music that stays classical music." (And the Bentley listens to him! Because the Bentley is an expression of Crowley's subconscious and wants to please him and make him happy...and I'm sure you can find lots of excellent metas to that end. Or maybe you have another theory about why the Bentley is so pliant toward the angel? I'd love to hear it. But that's not what I'm talking about right now. I'm just getting distracted.)
Why is this song so perfect for a bit of subtle foreshadowing and repeated metaphor? So glad you asked. I have reasons. And evidence. Please, peruse my wares.
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In the A Plot of this episode, Aziraphale travels to Scotland to visit a pub called The Resurrectionist. (Ya know, like Death? Like how Death resurrects people in the song? Okay, just wanted to really hit that nail into the coffin.) The pub is, of course, named for a certain Mr. (not Dr., he's a surgeon) Dalrymple, whom Crowley and Aziraphale meet in the accompanying flashback minisode entitled (you'll never guess) "The Resurrectionist." The minisode plot involves Crowley and his the angel encountering young Elspeth, a grave robber who, like Death, releases the bodies of the deceased from their earthly bonds of soil and stone. My interpretation is that Elspeth becomes Death incarnate, first in the process of using her instrument (her shovel) to resurrect the dead, and later when she inadvertently brings about the literal death of her partner, Wee Morag. Rather than allow Wee Morag's body to turn to dust in the ground, Elspeth "resurrects" her, selling her body to Dr. Dalrymple (sorry, Mr. Dalrymple, he's a surgeon, not a doctor), who will use Wee Morag's body for research, which will in turn save the lives of countless others by furthering the field of medicine. A form of resurrection, indeed. There's also the plot thread of Crowley and Aziraphale providing Elspeth with a nest egg to escape the cycle of poverty into which she has been born. This, too, is another form of re-birth. Or, say it with me, resurrection. Alright, you're getting it now.
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Okay, now I get to delve into the fun stuff. Let's talk about that cotillion ball, shall we? You know, that danse party where Aziraphale persuades all the shopkeepers on Whickber street to attend a Jane Austen-style ball?
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I personally refer to this whole fiasco experience as the Eldritch Ball. On the surface, it seems fairly innocent. The shopkeepers need a little bit of encouragement to attend the Whickber Street monthly meeting, but the angel manages to convince everyone to join with the help of some coercion-via-bribery. When they show up, they're transmuted into Austen-esque characters, from their clothes, to their speech patterns, even to some extent, their perception of reality. This is where it starts to get a little uncomfortable if you peel back the layers. Mrs. Sandwich can't talk about what she does for a living, which is a great comedy bit, but also demonstrates that her speech is being significantly censored and altered by an outside force. With the exception of Mr. Brown (hidden agendas here, Neil? I honestly don't know), all the shopkeepers find themselves in new, slightly-period-appropriate garments. What's really weird, though, is that no one notices the changes. When the dancing begins, to the music of Mr. Anderson's piano and an accompanying string quartet (strings...as in violins...as in fiddles. Remember Death's fiddle?), Nina appears to be the only one who realizes that something is off.
Maggie: This is something new.
Nina: This is something completely bonkers. Are we...? Why is everyone talking like they've escaped from Pride and Prejudice?
Maggie: Just getting into the spirit of things, I suppose.
Nina: The spirit of what things? This is meant to be the shopkeeper association monthly meeting.
Maggie: Hmm. Yes. Now that you put it like that...
Nina: Are we dancing?
Maggie: Yes.
Nina: Did you ever learn the steps to this dance?
Maggie: It's just what we do, isn't it?
Nina: No. No, it isn't. This is something mad. This is their [Crowley & Azirapahle's] fault. They're doing this.
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Something is definitely mad. One might even say it's macabre. Aziraphale has become Death the Resurrectionist. He has lured the shopkeepers of Whickber Street through a portal (as Death leads his flock from the world of the dead to the world of the living.) Aziraphale's instrument is his clipboard and pen, held almost as one might hold a fiddle and bow, as he invites the various shopkeepers to the monthly meeting. Once they all arrive, he miraculously gives them new clothes (as Death knits together the bones of the dead), and then proceeds to control their bodies and minds, as though they are merely marionettes. They dance and speak in the way Aziraphale imagines, fulfilling his fantasy of a perfect Jane Austen-style ball (quite literally, the Danse Macabre.)
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The shopkeepers have become the dead and Aziraphale controls them until the spell is broken--or rather until the window is broken.
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To be honest, I don't think Aziraphale is really aware of how much he is able to transfigure his environment, including the humans who happen to be close by. Or, at least, I don't believe he does any of this with ill intent. He's just a bit blind to anything outside his fixation of wooing Crowley, at the moment. As a result, he creates a situation that is profoundly problematic and unnatural. Just like the dead in the graveyard have no agency when Death plays his fiddle, the Whickber Street shopkeepers are possessed by Aziraphale's intricate romantic fantasy and must dance as long as the music plays.
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It is, in fact, only when the music stops, that the shopkeepers begin to realize that something is most certainly weird. The diagetic music (Mr. Anderson & Co.) abruptly cuts off when an approaching demon horde tosses a brick through the bookshop window. Now the spell, or in this case, miracle, begins to break down. While the shopkeepers still appear to be somewhat under the influence of Aziraphale's persuasive aura, a few of them glance down at their clothes in confusion and look around the bookshop, as though waking from a dream. And at this point, after a little finagling, Crowley escorts the humans out of the bookshop and out of Aziraphale's Danse Macabre.
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Once the demons attack the bookshop Aziraphale's influence on his surroundings really starts to deteriorate. Throughout the season, he's been able to structure and manipulate reality (sometimes with Crowley's help) to suit his needs: protecting Gabriel, altering the Bentley, organizing the Ball, etc. But once the bookshop, his safe space, has been breached, he loses control of the situation. From this point in the narrative, nothing goes according to Aziraphale's plan. Aziraphale wants to protect Jimbriel, but the former archangel insists on giving himself over to the demons. Crowley leaves and Aziraphale has to defend the bookshop on his own, when he'd expected Crowley to come right back and save him. While defending the bookshop, Aziraphale reaches his "last" resort not once, but twice: first allowing Nina and Maggie to use his books (!!!) as weapons and then blowing up his halo in a last ditch effort to fend off the invaders. This was not on the agenda for today!
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Things just continue to go downhill from there, Aziraphale losing all control of the situation. And by the time the Final Fifteen wraps up, the angel has lost his bookshop and possibly his most important relationship. By the end of the season, Aziraphale is no longer Death the Resurrectionist, the manipulator and puppeteer. Now the angel has become the puppet, dancing to Heaven's music.
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piratedog64 · 5 months
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luke-o-lophus · 8 days
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Aziraphale to Crowley for most of history:
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goatbeard-goatbeard · 7 months
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The Resurrectionists: a world with life after death
I didn’t fully appreciate the 2x03 minisode when the season first aired, but I keep finding more great details the more I think about it. Unlike our world, Good Omens is a world with confirmed afterlives. This minisode really digs into the implications of that, even in more subtle interactions where heaven and hell aren’t explicitly mentioned.
For example, the biggest issue with digging up bodies is NOT the corpse desecration. In fact, Aziraphale throws on some extra corpse desecration just for good measure. In a world ruled by heaven and hell, morality is less about the effect people have on the world, and more about the effect their actions have on their own immortal souls.
So Aziraphale is much less concerned with doing good than he is with encouraging the humans to do good. That’s also why he’s so unhelpful during the second grave robbery. He’s not being lazy; the humans have to do the actual work so they get the moral credit for doing it.
Now, he clearly wants to adopt earthly morality, and he does in flashes. He cares about the boy’s death, and he wants to heal Wee Morag. But he knows heaven exists, so he quickly focuses back on eternity — not for himself, but for the humans. And hoo boy, as a former evangelical, is that Relatable.™️
Crowley is sort of the reverse. He spends most of the minisode advocating for earthly morality. But, at the climax, he abruptly switches. He emphasizes that Elspeth has to be properly good, not just pretend good. “Pretend good” would have similar if not identical positive effects on the world, but it wouldn’t work for getting into heaven. Now, Crowley knows heaven isn’t that great, and he obviously thinks their moral standards are bullshit.
But… going to hell would eternally separate Elspeth from Wee Morag. Elspeth trapped in hell and Wee Morag in heaven, while the little bird wears down the mountain with its beak.
Hm. I wonder why Crowley might have strong feelings about that?
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captainjackscoat · 1 month
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I just watched a bit of the Loud House movie, and I recognised David immediately.
Then Morag came on, and I thought "oh she sounds familiar, who's she?"
IT'S MICHELLE GOMEZ.
THE MASTER AND THE DOCTOR IN THE LOUD HOUSE.
AND MICHELLE IS PLAYING THE VILLAIN, AND DAVID IS PLAYING THE HERO.
AND MORAG IS SHORT AF COMPARED TO DAVID SO IT'S CROWLEY AND WEE MORAG.
AND THERE ARE SO MANY LAYERS OF JOKES AND REFERENCES I CAN MAKE HERE
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lornainthewoods · 17 days
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Just me sitting here wondering if the thing that finally pulls Aziraphale away from Heaven completely (aside from missing Crowley b/c 🫠), is that he finds out that not all humans who touched his heart in some way are in Heaven.
Elspeth may be in Heaven if she stuck to her promise to be “prrrrroperllyy goot” and died with many good deeds under her belt.
But Mr. Dalrymple….who was trying to save lives and ease human suffering…he took his own life.
Mr. Dalrymple is in hell.
And Wee Morag…who believed in being good and going to Heaven…who only wanted to help her best friend…who Aziraphale felt such guilt over he was willing to break Heaven’s rules….she died robbing a grave.
Wee Morag is in hell.
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fellthemarvelous · 4 months
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This is a completely bonkers meta post
What if the people who live and work on Whickber Street are the souls of those that Aziraphale and Crowley have met in their past? Nina and Maggie as Wee Morag and Elspeth? Mutt by the magician who died in 1941 because he was eaten by zombies. Did he leave someone behind?
Maggie: And you're quite right. It's not your job to sort out my doomed love life.
Except Aziraphale wants to make it happen because his actions in 1827 got Wee Morag killed. Maggie has a shop attached to Aziraphale's shop (he's the one who suggested Elspeth open a bookshop, but he owns a bookshop and needs someone to keep track of his records).
Nina owns a coffee shop. It is always busy and it's blue and green, just like the planet. Give Me Coffee or Give Me Death. Nina is in a terrible relationship though, with this mysterious Lindsey, finally manages to break free, and then all Hell breaks loose.
Maggie notices Nina. She falls in love with Nina. She finally finds the courage to introduce herself to Nina, gets alone time with Nina, only to find out Nina's in a relationship with an asshole.
What if they have the souls of Elspeth and Wee Morag? What if Maggie is Elspeth and this Ball he is throwing for Nina and Maggie is him trying to reunite the souls of Wee Morag and Elspeth? And also using that as an excuse to dance with Crowley.
What if Aziraphale and Crowley turned Whickber Street into a home for lost souls looking for a place to be happy?
It would make sense that Jim is drawn there because he is now a lost soul.
But Crowley lives on the outskirts because he's trying to guard the life he and Aziraphale carved out together. He isn't going to move into the bookshop because he is always on the lookout while Aziraphale handles things on Whickber Street. I think Aziraphale already believes that Crowley lives at the bookshop though because he gets plenty of use out of it too. He just doesn't sleep there. Or else he's telling Crowley that the bookshop is his home too and he would love for him to move in.
So at the end, Crowley has realized he's ready to live with Aziraphale, but Aziraphale is now the one who is moving out and watching the perimeter. The fight in the bookshop made him realize the danger was much worse than he initially thought. Demons didn't just invade the bookshop, they invaded the safe space that Aziraphale and Crowley had carved out for themselves and the shopkeepers of Whickber Street.
Aziraphale changed the shopkeepers and their families into clothes fit for a ball and had them dancing together while ensuring their protection from the outside. Maggie and Nina were the ones who stepped up to help him so he wouldn't have to fight alone. Nina stays because Maggie stays. Maggie stays because she cares about Aziraphale, and Aziraphale has been nothing but kind to her. They help him defend the formerly Naked Man Friend, Jim.
Maybe Whickber Street is the home of second chances.
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orago-underline · 7 months
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it's always too late...
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The time it takes for Aziraphale to fight his moral dilemma, to seek reassurance from Crowley that helping wee Morag is the right thing to do, to convince himself to do so, is the time he loses, and it's too late then. His religious trauma and the fear of disobeying heaven never ends well, and he always have to deal with the crushing weight of guilt, for doing, for not doing, for even thinking about doing, even if it's the right thing, and that's a hell of a character development right there.
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purplewillowchicken · 7 months
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Crowley puts his hand on Aziraphale's chest
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I'd never noticed this before. Just after Wee Morag dies, Crowley puts his hand on Aziraphale's chest to comfort him and then pats him. Aziraphale does a little double take. The camera moves in closer so we don't see what else he might have done with his hand. 😁
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girlbloggercrowley · 8 months
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can we talk about elspeth and wee morag. i've been dying to talk about elspeth and wee morag
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dimity-lawn · 5 months
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ok-sims · 7 months
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Things in Good Omens 2 I still find weird after maaaaany rewatches - Part II
Hey everyone! First of all, sorry for my spelling mistakes in the first post 🙈 Somehow I was able to misspell the misspelled word, but I give my word as an angel that am I not a demon. Also, I loved to hear yout thoughts on some of the topics! There were quite some things I hadn't noticed, like Miss Cheng's resturant on Aziraphale's list. Now that I had some more time to think and rewatched the show 2 more times there are some other things I still don't quite understand:
👩Nina and Maggie being immune to Aziraphale's miracles🛡️
Obviously they aren't immune to the miracle he put on the bookshop during the Jane Austen ball, since we can see they are being made to dance, despite their will, and Nina herself comments that something is forcing her to feel different emotions (she was sad after her breakup, but suddendly didn't feel sad anymore). But when Shax's legion of demons tries to break into the bookshop, Aziraphale tries do do some miracle on Nina and Maggie so they agree to leave the bookshop with the rest of the humans (Maggie is acting like her weird self again and wants to stand there and fight????, which falls into Maggie acting off the whole season), but the miracle does not work. It is clearly intended to show that Aziraphale is casting a miracle (he does the hand gesture and the miracle sound effect plays). But it is also made clear that it did not work (including Nina's comment, "are you trying to hypnotize us?"). Another scene that corroborates with their "immunity" is when Crowley scorts out of the bookshop, when the Hell and Heaven gangs arrive after Aziphale blow up his halo. When they are outside, Crowley says that Nina and Maggie should forget everything that happened that night (he told the same to the others humans who attented the ball, and it apparently worked - check Mr Brown's quick convo with Mutt outside of the café). What the feck is going on with Maggie and Nina?
📙A.Z. Fell's diaries✒️
While it is pretty clear to me now that all the flashbacks in this season (officialy called "minisodes") are told from Aziraphale's perspective. In episode 2, the minisode seens to be Aziraphale remembering his and Crowley's encounter with Job, and getting so lost in this memory, that Gabriel points out that a long time has passed and Crowley even had left the bookshop by the time Aziraphale is done, making it clear we are getting Aziraphale's take of the Job story. In episode 4, the minisode starts right after Shax is able to "trick" Aziraphale, and the minisode storyline revolves around an incident she mentions during their conversation. Crowley is not even in this scene, despite being a central topic of their talk, and of the minisode itself, so it is safe to say we are getting Aziraphale's take again.
But the other minisode is "triggered" in a different way: it starts with Aziraphale writing in his diary (btw it is the first time he having a diary is ever mentioned!), and he states that there many volumes of these diaries. Funnily enough, his diaries are not mentioned again. Of course, once again we can clearly see the minisode is from Aziraphale's perspective (it could not get any more "in your nose" than that). But the fact that these diaries are not brought up again, even if it would have made sense in context (for example, the other two minisodes could have used the diary as a narrative device as well) is kind of odd to me. My best guess is that the diaries will be important in S3, while Aziraphale is way in Heaven, and Crowley/Muriel/a secret third character happens to find them/needs to find them for some reason.
🍷The toast after Wee Morag's death 🪦
This one might be a little silly, but I can't really wrap my head around it. In The Resurrectionist's minisode (as told by Aziraphale in his diary), Crowley and Aziraphale are having a date in a graveyard happen to stumble on Elspeth stealing buried bodies to make some money. We see the minisode unfold until Wee Morag tragically dies, and Elspeth can finally get some cash (albeit less than expected), so she steals some laudanum, buys wine and, for some reason, returns to the mausoleum were Wee Morag died to have a toast with Crowley and Aziraphale.
Why is she meeting with them again? How did they know how/where/when to find her? Since only Elspeth and Mr Dalrymple apper in the scene she steals the laudanum, I'm pretty sure Aziraphale and Crowley weren't there with her, and when the toast scene begins, they are shown entering the mausoleum again (so it is not like they were waiting inside the Mausoleum for Elspeth to come back and make a toast). I'm not sure if the minisode takes place during only one night (Aziraphale explicitly states Crowley wanted to meet him at midnight, so the minisode starts around this time), because it seens like a little too much to be done in such a short time, and when the minisode ends, it is still nightime (when Crowley is dragged to Hell), but the point is: why and how would the angel/demon duo get back to the mausoleum to have a toast with Elspeth? I'm not saying they wouldn't want to do it, but the logistics seen a bit off to me.
Once again, please let me know your insights on it! I was very pleasantly surprised with the interactions with the previous post, I'm glad to not just be shouting into the void, and I loved hearing everyone's perspectives!
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