Ehem. Let's DO THIS. Introducing my baby from @infamous-if , loved it so much I had to paint my OC.
' Winter wakes the wolf '
Chase, lead singer of the Alternative/Rock band, Moonless. He's always there for the illegal fun parts and is known to have unstable hair color disease. (But oh well, he's in the indigo-ish area, goes well with his new clothes.)
Drinks too much but can be trusted to be sober when needed (or.. maybe?). "People die either way" he said, lighting up the new cigarette. Running away from his problems might actually be his favourite workout, thats why he looks so lean. Uncanny amount of smol tattoos and accessories, fits his baddie persona he thinks.
Has a habit of lying about how he doesn't have feelings for Sev and how he deeply doesn't enjoy cat walking on Orion's nerves. Mostly takes nice approaches, flirts without noticing cuz it's getting a habit but miraculously gets shy with people he has feelings for, not looking at Seven nope.
Anyway I talked too much for a first post I guess? But beware I'll be back with a STOOOORM.
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Genuinely curious, what’s up with Noir’s age? And what does it have to do with his 08/09 run? ((You may ignore if you wish :D))
i no longer have to do an extremely long explaination about comics noir because it has already been done here, by foolsocracy!!!!!!! really great breakdown of his very vague age, which is never said outright in the 08-09 run, only implied!! my own personal take on this is that he's 17-turning-18 in the first one, just about graduated high school but not able to afford college (see the panel below LOL)
this also got a little longer than i thought it would, so under the cut for the rest of it! the tl:dr is "itsv!noir is not the same as comics!noir, and people saying that he's 19 isn't strictly true. to me, he's around 30!"
eyes without a face (the 09 run!!) only takes place 8 months after, in september 1933, which makes peter 18-turning-19. this is more of a headcanon though!! (see the noir birthday poll, which made me a noir-is-a-december-baby truther)
(peter being a libra is mentioned once in the first issue of amazing spider-man (2015), mostly as a punchline, and a specific date of october 10th was given in another issue that i have lost. other media, like with the mcu, has his birthday on august 10th. but to me noir is a sagittarius and you cannot pry that from me)
the 2020 run of noir begins establishing the year as 1939, making peter around his mid-20s, and 25 if you believe me on the 'peter was 17 in noir 2008' LOL.... i won't lie though i haven't read this one properly i very quickly skimmed so pinch of salt regarding my takes on the 2020 run
noir being in his teens during the first original runs is why "itsv!noir is 17-19" goes around so often! i've seen that on tumblr, twitter AND on tiktok and i don't mind what people hc, but it has become a pet peeve when people say it like its canon even though it's never been mentioned by the writers or the art book. itsv!noir is similar to his comic counterpart, but his differences in his origin story make me interpret him as a different noir (like how peter b.'s dimension is 616B, making him... 90214B?)
again, we are straying from itsv canon/etc here because i'm deranged, but i personally hc noir as being 32! some of my friends think he's in his mid-20s, others think he's older, but really the only reason is that 32 is the midpoint between the other two peter parkers: ripeter was 26 and peter b is 38. he's also voiced by nic cage, which makes me think older in the first place!
i just like the idea that he's more experienced that ripeter, but hasn't gone through as much as peter b. he spends most of the movie being broody ("moral ambiguity of your actions!", "matches burn down to my fingertips", etc etc), or snarkier than you'd expect ("it's that easy" "who are you again?" "you gonna fight or are you just bumping gums" etc etc). he also very sweetly tells everyone that he loves them before he leaves !!! i feel like it can in fact be in character for a peter parker in his late 20-early 30s, distanced from his tragedies in his own world by time (he doesn't forget them, that's different !) being able to look out for the spiders around him.
okay now we are VERY deep into hc territory, but it makes him able to balance out the rest of the itsv spider-gang as an older-brother figure who's able to guide peni, miles and gwen but also be able to act as a voice of reason for peter b. and ham if the sitauation calls for it. that being said noir is still peter parker and is therefore capable of spider-esque tomfoolery, which can lead to him misjudging the need for a snarky one liner ("this is a pretty hard core origin story"). my characterisation of him is also very inspired by heyitsspiderman, the itsv fic that changed me for the better, and noir isn't even in it that much LOL
veering back into itsv!noir's age and your actual question though: he's always read older in the movies, and not at all 17-19. noir is always going to be around 30 (32 if i have to give a number) to me!! if anything, he did go through the same kind of 'canon events' as comics noir did, but is an older and more experienced version of him, with tweaks to the backstory (like a radioactive spider instead of a spider-god, and webshooters instead of organic webbing). there are reasons ofc to see him being younger (egg creams are non-alcoholic, and that if it's 1933, his comicsverse self would be 18-19 too) . however you must consider that sony didn't expand on this and therefore it's up to fan interpretation and also that
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Getting through the Kickass Video Essay of the Week is always dangerous because it makes me desperately want to make video essays myself, except I wouldn’t know Adobe After Effects if you slapped me across the face with it, YouTube terrifies me as anything except something I consume, and all my actual best thinking is done via Tumblr afterthought tags because in my head I imagine it’s sorta like glancing sidelong at the camera and adding additional context to any given moment or thought like I’m in the Emperor’s New Groove
also I genuinely do hyperfixate so it would be niche topics I can’t imagine anyone else on the planet finding entertaining (except me) like, “Is the Grid It’s Own Character?”; “Are Programs Posthuman?”; “How Kevin Flynn Destroys the Sublime”; “Why Tron Legacy is a Horror Movie”; “The Grid and the Closet” and it analyzes how, symbolically, a dude constantly leaving his heterosexual day life to live within a neon-lit fever dream where traditional procreation is literally unheard of and everyone wears skin-tight body suits and stilettos and oscillate between high-octane performance and nightclubs, and he’s unable to talk about this double life to others outside of this place, might be construed as possibly a lil LGBT+ (would this make CLU a physical manifestation of Flynn’s own fear of his homosexuality?); over an hour of me going through Scars 1 and 2 screenshot by screenshot and it’s titled something like “WATCH TRON UPRISINF” in all misspelled caps where it’s painfully obvious I have no background in Film Theory but by god that’s not about to stop me,
and idk something like “Identity in Tron” where I cheekily compare Tron Identity and the Uprising episode “Identity” that have nothing in common other then a fixation on identity discs and like what are those? Halo symbolism? The soul? Are programs angels? (insert here about previous scholarship on this bc I *know* somebody’s talked about this somewhere already) Are programs without discs fallen angels? Is Tron Identity purgatory? Is Query on the level of a User with how easily he manipulates information on a program’s disc? Does the Grid have its own disc somewhere??? Where’s the MCP’s disc?? Why is there a pawn shop in Argon; do programs really buy and sell used goods, and is this due to an ever shrinking amount of space/memory on the Grid? Is currency on the Grid held within the disc? Does this mean programs are their own currency? Is this capitalism or communism if the means of production (the programs) are also the currency? If a program steals another program’s disc and learns all their secrets, could the disc-less program not just take the thief program’ s disc and use it as their own, since it technically holds all their memories now? What happens when a program’s disc runs out of space; do they all intermittently explode in a giant cloud of amnesia like Cass does? If seeing Tron’s face was enough to momentarily snap Beck out of his amnesia via the power of friendship, does this hint at the possibility that programs may not need discs at all?
and so on so forth until my brain finds something else to chew into infinite nothingness
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also uh. this is part inquiry, part vent ? I know it's kinda shitty to be like "do you like my character ?" but now that I've gotten through more of act 2 and done the questlines involving the shadow-cursed lands... I honestly feel kinda silly. like.
knowing what happens with oliver / thaniel, as well as what is implied with arabella, I'm worried that shade is a little... redundant. I don't know. like. if people like her as a companion and the way I've built her lore that's good enough for me, I just. worry. and I worry that people may think I'm trying to replace those narratives. I don't know. it's hard to explain just how I feel. but mostly I feel silly. and worried.
probably overthinking it but. input would be most appreciated. honest input; I just want to know what people think / feel about shade in relation to the characters and lore we already have in the game, I guess. I am genuinely curious what people think.
edit: read the tags but also I should post a disclaimer, I know that if people didn't like shade they wouldn't be following or interacting with me. that's not the question I'm asking here. I'm asking for input on where she stands in the game canon lore, on what people think about that. I am honestly so, so thankful for the support and love I have received in writing shade. <3 I was not expecting this kind of love and interest, and I am grateful for everyone who has given her / me a chance !
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