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aronarchy · 6 hours
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for the next time some MRA (or un-self-aware person with essentially MRA beliefs) claims that cishet men ~aren't allowed to show emotions!!!~ (on the basis of their gender/position within patriarchy) while women somehow are celebrated for showing their emotions
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aronarchy · 7 hours
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aronarchy · 8 hours
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TIL that Richard A. Gardner was a clinical professor of child psychiatry at Columbia University from 1963-2003
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aronarchy · 10 hours
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[set of arguments relevant to the subject; see also my post dissecting some of the problematic arguments in OP’s replies]
(note: I’m an Asian transgender person, so not A White Westerner (although I am currently living in the West), so hopefully this might further defuse the notion that we’re a monolith who uniformly believe in the relativist viewpoint, or that the only people arguing against third-gendering trans women are saviors without the “proper” race-card-based “right” to speak on the subject.)
I would really recommend rethinking your position here. If you actually looked through the notes, you’d see extensive discussion of why the above arguments are wrong, more hijra identify as trans women and would prefer that to be the default label than this above thread seems to imply, and examples of Indian trans women arguing that the above line of thinking actually recapitulates Orientalism.
This is because the term trans, nonbinary, and gender non-conforming are Western terms. Most Indians who use these terms for themselves are either immigrants or are wealthy enough to have studied in Western schools.
(Note: this does not mean that BEING what a Westerner would call trans, nonbinary, or gender non-conforming is a Western construct. Just about every culture in history has had people who did not fall into what we think of as standard binaries. But the terms themselves are Western, and therefore rarely used by those who have not heavily been influenced by Western culture.)
I feel like something you may be overlooking is—of course these terms are “Western,” because they are in English? It seems unfair to judge the term “trans,” for example, as “more Western” than the term “hijra” in such a context, because it’s like comparing apples to oranges: one is from one language and the other is from a different language. This is the whole point of translation: to try your best to use the words your language has to pair with the words another language has. Of course they’re not going to be exactly the same unless you decline to translate and just transliterate the other language’s word and rely on describing further. If someone is using the word “trans” for themself, then that just means they know English (or another similar language which uses those four letters for that word specifically). Those are not fair grounds to imply that nobody else just uses a translatable term or set of terms to denote having a different gender than the one they were assigned by assumptions based on dualist natal biology, and the accompanying social positionality.
It’s true that linguistically, Western imperialism has also imposed a disproportionate epistemic power imbalance where many non-English languages borrow words from or have adapted words from ones from English while the other way around doesn’t happen anywhere nearly as much, and this shows up in how non-Western trans/gender-variant people may adopt Western-built frameworks more readily when searching for a label. But that doesn’t mean understanding oneself as “trans” in some way is necessarily a more “privileged” thing (I would be very careful around applying such generalizations, as they flow from very popular, very detrimental transphobic tropes). Because the West often is able to appear more “progressive” or faster at improving rights for minorities because of white privilege granting more power even to white people experiencing marginalizations to do their activism and expand the scope of their projects, and to promote their activism to others and have others hear them. (Though this also often relies on liberation struggles in non-Western areas being erased, despite their contributions.) But perhaps, instead, these concepts are more general things that could reasonably apply to others because they’re simply describing an experience that people regardless of culture can experience, so others might simply see themselves in them because it’s true? That wouldn’t be a bad thing, and would not be “imperialism” (“internalized imperialism”?); the idea of transness shouldn’t be bound to Western-ness. It’s not the same as a concept like “hijra”; “trans” isn’t a historically-specific culturally closed identity.
Once again, if “trans woman,” “trans,” “nonbinary,” or “gender non-conforming” are necessarily “Western” terms in some way, then why wouldn’t the terms “woman,” “man,” “male” “female”—or for that matter “gender”—also be “Western” and problematic to use as a default descriptor for people in any other culture when speaking in English? Why is it considered reasonable to automatically call Indian cis women women without any further deep investigation, but Very Controversial and Problematic to allow for the same with a category of likely trans women? Why is “woman” a cross-culturally self-evident accurately applicable term for cis women but not trans women? The disproportionate, way overboard mystification(tm) of non-Western transfemininity and non-cis gender roles is bordering on exoticization of the same kind that the more traditional Orientalism was based on.
At some point, white trans allies have got to choose. It’s not enough to just nod every time the kind of non-white relativist who shuts down liberatory practices as White/Western starts chastising any transfeminists with reasonable proposals as “white,” because they do implicitly rely on white people to have white guilt about contradicting them and on us to feel guilty about race- or culture-traitorism or self-tokenization in contradicting them, but being wrong is still being wrong and multiple arguments above follow tried-and-true tropes that have historically proved especially harmful to trans/non-cis people in non-white and non-Western communities. Hardly anyone listens to non-Western transfeminists with the more radical viewpoint in the first place, so who is really the most suppressed and marginalized here?
I'm so glad that y'all are so into Monkey Man and the badass hijra priestess army, but friendly reminder that hijra are NOT trans women. Hijra are their own distinct gender; trans women are women. India has both :)
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#like i can't with tiktokers sometimes #like really? serial unaliver #first off... unaliver can't be a word...can it? #and serial killer is a well known terminology #tik tok makes me not want to read some books
On TikTok, people use euphemisms to get around keyword bans/censorship on the site. It’s not entirely voluntary.
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serial unaliver takes me out every fucking time
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[image ID: a meme using the “Patrick Star’s Wallet” format from SpongeBob with the following captions:
[Man Ray]: Butch women sometimes pass as men, but always experience misogyny bc of their masc presentation
[Patrick]: Yeah
[Man Ray]: Trans men frequently do not pass in all situations, and are frequently mistaken for butch women
[Patrick]: Of course
[Man Ray]: This is, in either case, misogynistic violence towards a marginalized group
[Patrick]: Yeah
[Man Ray]: So you agree, trans men experience misogynistic violence for their masculinity?
[Patrick]: Transmisandry isn’t real you’re just an MRA
/end image ID]
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Some of y'all stg
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aronarchy · 2 days
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Many feminists when analyzing patriarchy have pointed out that women are a class and women married to rich men are of a distinct class position from their husbands, because patriarchy mediates how much of capitalist power they can actually access and they’re still regarded as property of the husband in many ways. The same goes for children who are also an oppressed class under patriarchy and regarded as property of the patriarch. It doesn’t mean they have no class privilege, just that their class privilege is not the same kind as the wealthy patriarch’s and their access is more conditional. A revolutionary analysis would not deny that adultism oppresses more privileged children too; we should truthfully acknowledge what they experience while still centering the most marginalized children experiencing abuse. That still doesn’t mean we have to actively cater to rich kids if they’re classist and would rather keep oppressing those below them than support what would liberate themselves too. This is why intersectionality is important.
As a kid, when your parents are poor, you're poor. If they don't have money, that means none of you have money. But if someone's parents are rich, that doesn't necessarily mean the kid is. Sometimes rich peoples' kids aren't rich kids, they're just some rich freak's exotic pets that can talk but aren't allowed to.
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I don't see people talking about this so today is the 110th anniversary of the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire, in where the factory owners locked working women and girls inside to "eliminate the risk of theft" (in reality it was too keep them from taking breaks), which resulted in the gruesome deaths of 123 mostly immigrant women and girls and 23 men, many of whom jumped to their deaths from the ninth floor either in a panicked attempt to escape or in order to die quickly. There were reports that some of the workers were on fire already as they jumped.
The eighth floor of the building was able to telephone the tenth floor to warn them about the fire, but the factory on the ninth floor where these women and girls labored had no such communication and such warning.
The factory owners were criminally charged with manslaughter for actions that contributed to the mass deaths but acquitted. However, this tragedy led to mass sympathy to the labor movement, and unions spurred on safety regulations that passed in New York state and eventually the entire country, and activists were able to reduce child labor in the process.
This tragedy is a reminder that has been forgotten in the 110 years since: every safety regulation-- every scrap of paperwork contributing to the hundreds of pages of red tape people like to complain about--every word of it was written in the blood of a laborer.
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aronarchy · 3 days
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Yes!
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I think this comment has interesting implications for how we can understand purplewashing and pinkwashing, and patriarchy in the West and misogyny/transphobia intersecting with racism/Orientalism/Islamophobia rather than being positioned as opposed to them as it often is. i.e. demonizing women and girls (and trans people) as a group, or as statistically more likely to be aligned with his racialized enemy too because they all are excluded from the white cis male ruling class and both are demonized and viewed as inferior and categorically problematic/prone to deviance.
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