#1980 Shogun

[jokramer]

Please read the fanfiction The Eightfold Fence by The Android.

#fx shogun #shogun 2024 #shōgun #shogun 1980 #1980 Shogun #fanfic #fanfic recommendation #a strong recommendation #prepare for angst #and fluff #pls help #haven't been the same since I read it #pls read it #but only if you've seen the whole thing! #and are familiar with the 1980 one

[kyliafanfiction]

And so a scene dispensed with in thirty seconds in the OG miniseries (Toranaga inviting Yabu to watch the sunrise with him) is given a full treatment. Me Likey.

#Kylia Watches FX Shogun #FX Shogun #1980 Shogun #Kashigi Yabushige #Yoshii Toranaga

[redsamuraiii]

James Clavell's Shogun (2024) & Shogun (1980)

I love them both. They're both great in different ways!

#james clavell #shogun #shogun fx #shogun 2024 #shogun 1980 #anna sawai #cosmo jarvis #hiroyuki sanada #moeka hoshi #yoko shimada #richard chamberlain #hiromi senno #toshiro mifune #jidaigeki #japan

[grayrazor]

It’s crazy how the original ‘70s Shōgun miniseries got Toshiro Mifune and had him read their tourist phrasebook-level Japanese.

Imagine if a Japanese-produced drama set in Elizabethan England got Patrick Stewart, and had him saying things like “What up my homies, Jesus very thank you yes.”

#shogun #shogun 1980 #toshiro mifune

[dgct2]

Destiny. We all have a moment that changes us.

When I was a kid my mom and I watched the Shogun miniseries with Richard Chamberlain. She absolutely adored him. I became entranced by the world. The moment changed my life. When Blackthorne learns Japanese from Mariko, that is me learning right along with him. It is because of this series that I eventually studied Japanese and karate.

I remember inhaling Shogun and then the rest of the Asian Saga by James Clavell. Thankfully I grew up in a house where books were celebrated. My parents had a library that covered two 20' long walls top to bottom. Hundreds of books that I could get lost in. It was a dream come true.

Fast forward 40 years and FX has done a remake of Shogun. To say that I was nervous and had high hopes would be an understatement. Just finished watching the first two episodes and all I can say so far is that it has exceeded my expectations. The music. The scenery. The costumes. The details that bring a book to life. This series has it in spades. It is going to be a masterpiece. Go check it out if you get a chance. You can watch the series on FX, Hulu, and Disney+.

#shogun #book worm #reading #movies #hiroyuki sanada #james clavell #random posts about me #japanese #karate #fx shogun #shogun 2024 #shogun 1980

[amateurletariat]

Okay so thanks to @doberbutts I started watching Shogun(2024)

And yeah, the newer adaption is uh..really graphic about some things. Human soup was not an exaggeration at all. And because I have a slight special interest in japan I ended up watching it all, and then started in on the 1980 version.

Holy shit some things went way hard, and some are just mild as hell, and then others are entirely different.

First, the version of the 1980 show I found has no subtitles for the japanese like at all. It was itentionally done like that for the scenes with Blackthorne, where we're supposed to be as lost as he is. But this one has none at all and I'm honestly loving that, even if it's not supposed to be like that, which I dunno

One major thing that stuck out was the lighting. 2024 is so. fucking. dark. you literally can't see anything more than once. Like a silhouette is all you get.

Then you have 1980 with modern spotlights hanging in the rigging of the ships 🤣 I mean like super fucking obvious, whole ass white light shining straight down onto the ropes. It's great, sincerely.

But the big differences in story and presentation are what I wanna go into(some of the more spoiler-oriented stuff) so go below the cut if you want more

2024-Starts off with written exposition, then goes to the Erasmus, with the dying crew feeling lost as hell. Captain has already given up and Blackthorne gives him his pistol. You can guess what happened. Fast forward a bit and we see the boat coming to shore and a lone Japanese man watching it before local samurai gather to see what this beat to hell ship is doing here. Ship is boarded and the crew are taken ashore. Cut to Osaka castle and we already get to meet Lord Toranaga (played by my man Hiroyuki Sanada) and the members of the court. In this version we also meet Fujiko's husband, whereas in the 1980 show he and their son were only mentioned in passing. The whole human soup thing is graphic af. I mean....Yeah....Dude bashes his own head in and we get to see that.

1980-Starts off with verbal exposition, and after a much happier intro, we cut to Blackthorne waking up in a Japanese-style room. This is where any cinematic reference to Japanese language and culture begins. Also captain is still alive but sick as hell, and one of their captors ends up in the cell with them. Seppuku ensues. Toned down the soup scene SO much, but added a second one where we only had the one guy in the 2024 version. A lot more outright "behave or we hurt your crew" exchange.

I'll add more later just tired rn

#shogun 2024 #shogun 1980 #ammy rants #oh and don't forget racist names everyone has for each other

[ricisidro]

#JohnBlackthorne is loosely based on the life of the 17th-century English navigator #WilliamAdams, who was the first Englishman to visit #Japan.

The character appears in #Shōgun (1980), played by Richard Chamberlain (L) and by Cosmo Jarvis (R) in #ShogunFX 2024 series based on #JamesClavell’s epic novel (1975), a story from both Western and Japanese perspective.

#John Blackthorne #William Adams #Japan #Shogun #Shogun 1980 #Shogun 2024 #Shogun FX #James Clavell

[20th-century-scrapbook]

The 1980 mini-series “Shogun,” with from left, Richard Chamberlain, Yoko Shimada and Toshiro Mifune, was enormously popular / NBC, via Getty Images

#1980 #Shogun #television #richard chamberlain #yoko shimada #toshiro mifune #mini series #1980s

[alephskoteinos]

I renounce the Christian God!!! I am Japanese! My soul is my own now! I am not afraid!

- Brother Joseph (Urano Tadama), Shogun, Episode 1.5

One of the hardest scenes I've ever seen in a TV series, and it's Shogun. I hope the new Shogun series still has that moment.

#shogun 1980 #fuck christianity #Youtube

[eastern-lights]

One (1) person asked for this, so here's Hiroyuki Sanada's characters as the Onion headlines Part 2:

Part 1:

Part 3

#hiroyuki sanada #shogun's ninja (1980) #avengers: endgame #the last ship #army of the dead #helix #westworld #the railway man #sunshine (2007) #onmyoji (2001)

[misterivy]

#shogun #james clavell #richard chamberlain #toshiro mifune #Yôko Shimada #80s tv #1980 #mini series #feudal japan #17th century

[jokramer]

The best fucking scene in the entire book is when Mariko tells Blackthorne that she thinks he's so angry all the time because he isn't having enough sex, so she offers her a woman. He declines. So Mariko is all like "but why would you, look at them, they're so nice☹️" and then she's like "ooooooohhhh you're gay, aren't you, we can get you a boy too, no problem🙂" and then Blackthorne just loses his shit. The guard thinks he's impotent, that's why he's so angry, they ask him, he loses his shit even more. One of them even asks if maybe he likes animals and they decide not to ask that.

Around half of the scene revolves around the guards and Mariko, while Blackthorne has his little aneuryms in the background. Fucking hilarious, honestly. And mix in Mariko's utter confusion about why Blackthorne would be angry at the thought of having sex with men, and voilà. Fantastic scene, chef's kiss, honestly.

I was so disappointed that they almost completely left it out of the new series. All we got was: "Would you like a boy instead?" "Where even am I?". I honestly don't know why. And I'll go as far as stating that the 1980 series didn't give it the due screen time or attention either (even though I can find no faults in that, fave series evah).

#shogun #shōgun #shogun 2024 #shogun 1980 #fx shogun #john blackthorne #toda mariko #blackthorne is a jackass to some extents #we have to admit that much

[kyliafanfiction]

Like, it's not bad, apart from the baffling choice to never provide subtitles and do a weird amount of narration, but there's so many little things about the 1980 Shogun that feel off now, as opposed to when I last watched it while I was in HS. The pacing feels super weird, there is a baffling lack of background music in all sorts of contexts (which again, may have been more common in 1980) and when they do have music, it feels very... out of place, to my ears.

I like it, but yeah, FX Shogun is just... so much better.

And part of that is just different television sensibilities, I have to assume. it's why remakes will always be a thing, even for stuff that was very good, because eventually, even the best and most unproblematic tv show or movie (which 1980 Shogun is not, for all that it is very good) will feel dated.

#Musings #FX Shogun #1980 Shogun

[redsamuraiii]

Shogun (2024) Character Posters by IGN

#shogun 2024 #shogun #shogun 1980 #hiroyuki sanada #cosmo jarvis #anna sawai #tadanobu asano #fumi nikaido #yuka kouri #japan #samurai #james clavell #historical fiction

[im-goin-mad]

gay son (shogun 1980) or thot daughter (shōgun 2024)

#richard chamberlain #is the gay son (obvi) #that means #cosmo jarvis #is the thot daughter #he has such a weirdly familiar face #but yeah i've only seen the first 2 episodes yet so idk #and like the first 5 hours of the original #we're working on it #but i love love love richard chamberlain #he's turning 90 this year??? #anyway #the thorn birds is my fav show ever so #back to what i was talking about jeez #shogun 1980 #shogun 2024 #fx shogun #disney+ #gay son or thot daughter #cinephile #edit: figured out who cosmo looks like (my platonic cuddle buddy iykwim)

[dying-suffering-french-stalkers]

maybe i'll finally check out shogun (1980) before the remake that's apparently happening obliterates the tags

#μέν the cast is fire (mifune AND welles?? come on); δέ i really do Not know what level of “oh boy” to expect #(sidenote: way more german reviews than usual on its letterboxd entry; fascinating) #shogun 1980