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#Jianyu The Good Place
pretty--in--purple · 1 year
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[ID: a stock image of two arms shaking hands. the left arm is labelled 'jason mendoza' and the right is labelled 'gideon nav'. the point where they are shaking hands is labelled 'faking a vow of silence to hide how much they are not a monk'.]
just something i noticed
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crazyrichxplainr · 15 days
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Manny Jacinto with Danai Gurira at Thom Browne Spring 2024 celebration.
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urgentkettle · 6 months
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Made myself confused and slightly horrified trying to think of why, Jianyu, a Buddhist monk, would be sent to the Bad Place because I forgot about Jason.
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loganslowdown4 · 3 months
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Gainesville rep on the Good Place lmao I love Jason so much 😂😂
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saltandskeletrons · 4 months
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Watching the good place with my friend who has somehow never seen it or know the plot twist im foaming at the mouth
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halfelvened · 7 months
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I'm constantly impressed and utterly wrecked by Ted Danson, D'Arcy Carden, and Manny Jacinto's face acting in The Good Place.
I mean, the whole cast absolutely smash it, but I just wanted to mention this aspect of the show in particular.
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sesamestreep · 1 year
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Don/Sloan, 20
20. I’ve been looking sad in all the nicest places (from this prompt list) I don’t know what this is, honestly. I wrote a whole other fill for this prompt and decided I hated it and couldn’t finish it, then wrote this instead in like half a day. I don’t know. It’s a Good Place AU, I have next to nothing for it built out besides this snippet, that’s basically it. much love and bone apple teeth or whatever…
Sloan is on her fifth straight minute of willing her legs to work and take her back to the party—her own damn party, for Christ or whoever’s sake, she’s not really sure at this point—when someone nearly trips over her. In their defense, she is sort of hiding behind a topiary in a dark corner of the lawn, so there was no way they could have seen her, but she still finds it in herself to be annoyed.
“Could you please watch where you’re going?” she exclaims.
“Uh, sorry,” the man says, fumbling with something in his hands. “Though I don’t really see how it’s my fault that you’re sitting on the ground, in the dark. You’re basically asking to be tripped over.”
Sloan’s legs work just fine then. She stands up, straight as a pin, and throws her shoulders back, getting ready for some variation of the “I’d like to speak with your manager!” conversations she had almost daily back when she was alive.
“Here’s a tip for you,” she says, instead, with as much indignation as possible, “don’t go around accusing women of ‘asking for it’.”
The man winces. “Yeah, I heard it as soon as it was out of my mouth. That was, uh, poor form.”
The easy admission of wrongdoing shouldn’t surprise her here, where she’s allegedly surrounded by the best people ever, but it still somehow does. It helps that this guy doesn’t give the appearance of backing down from fights easily, which makes it all the more impressive that he’s doing so now.
“It’s fine,” Sloan says, backing down too. “No harm done.”
“I don’t think we’ve been introduced,” he says, holding out his hand. “I’m Don Keefer.”
“Sloan Sabbith,” she says, accepting the handshake.
“Oh, the Sloan Sabbith,” he replies, as he puts the item he’s been shuffling between his hands—a cigarette, it turns out—between his lips. He doesn’t sound impressed. She’s not sure how he sounds, but it’s probably not good.
“I suppose so.”
“This is your house,” he points out.
“Ah, yes. That Sloan Sabbith.”
“I mean, I knew you before,” Don says, and then corrects himself, “Sorry, I knew of you before. I lived in New York, when I was alive.”
“Oh, right.”
“Your name was always in the society pages.”
Sloan shrugs, not sure if humility is the right move here. She’s not certain Don would buy it. He pulls out a lighter and moves to light his cigarette.
“I guess you didn’t see the amount of fundraising I did for the American Cancer Society,” she says, frowning.
Don laughs, but he still brings the flame to the tip of the cigarette. “Sweetheart, it’s the afterlife. Lighten up.”
“I don’t like the smell.”
“Won’t be a problem,” he says, waving the hand with the cigarette between his index and middle fingers around a little bit wildly. “Neither do I. I got that robot assistant woman, uh—”
“Jenna,” Sloan interjects, over-enunciating the name for his benefit.
Jenna, of course, materializes with a soft tone at that moment, making her jump in surprise. How long does that take to get used to?
“Hi,” she says, brightly. “How can I help?”
Don looks at Sloan expectantly, and her face heats with embarrassment and irritation. She pointedly looks away, as if she hadn’t accidentally summoned the neighborhood’s virtual assistant and made a fool of herself.
“We’re good, Jenna. Thank you,” Don finally says, all charm, when it’s clear Sloan isn’t going to be helpful.
“You bet!” There’s another soft tone, slightly different, as she disappears.
“That is going to take some getting used to,” Don says, as if they’re buddies or something.
“You’ve never had an assistant before?” Sloan sniffs, aware that it’s a deeply snobby thing to say and not very concerned about it.
“Not like her.”
She whips her head around to glare at him. “Don’t be gross!”
“I meant because she’s literally omniscient,” he says, looking bored of her now. “Get your mind out of the gutter.”
“Good, because I’d hate to feel any worse for your soulmate than I already do.” Just as she’s winding up to really lay into him, she suddenly smells something strange. It smells like salt water and…something else. Something she can’t put her finger on. She steps closer to Don and inhales. “Do you—what is that?”
“I told you the smoke wouldn’t bother you,” he says, holding the cigarette aloft proudly. “When I asked Jenna for cigarettes earlier, I was worried the neighborhood would have, like, a ‘no smoking’ policy, kind of like the ‘no swearing’ thing? But she told me that, since we’re in The Good Place, the smoke wouldn’t irritate anyone, and when they smelled it, it would remind them of their most cherished childhood memory, if you can believe that.”
Sloan wouldn’t have two minutes ago but now, she’s certain she’s smelling the boardwalk in Santa Monica that she went to constantly with her family when she was young. She hasn’t been back in years, and she supposes now she never will. Suddenly, she feels tears welling in her eyes.
“Thank goodness the tobacco industry didn’t have Jenna on their side,” she says, stepping back and trying to pull herself together.
“True. Though I imagine those guys would have trouble getting into The Good Place anyway.”
“That’s a…good point.”
“So, what does the magic cigarette smoke smell like to you?” Don asks, and then shakes his head. “There’s a question I never anticipated asking anyone. Not sober, at least.”
Sloan laughs, despite herself. “It, uh, smells like the Santa Monica pier. I grew up in the Bay Area, but my cousins lived in SoCal, and we’d visit them on school breaks or vacations whenever we could. The pier was always my favorite place to go.”
When she looks up again, she finds Don smiling at her in an unguarded way she finds…unsettling. Not because it’s creepy, but because it’s familiar. She doesn’t know what that means, but she knows it’s probably a sign of trouble.
“What about you?”
“Well,” Don laughs, looking down at his shoes, “that’s sort of a funny story. You see, I gave up smoking when I was in college, after my grandad died of lung cancer. I’d like to tell you it was because I was being smart and healthy, but the truth is, the smell of the smoke reminded me too much of him. I spent a lot of my childhood with him, because both of my parents worked, so he watched me for them. He was my favorite person, and my reference point for everything, and my moral compass. After he died, it felt like I lost a piece of myself.”
Don pauses, and then shakes his head. “I don’t know why I told you all that. The important part of that story is that he, uh, smoked like a chimney and his whole house reeked of tobacco all the time. His clothes smelled like it, his car smelled like it, everything.”
“Oh, no,” Sloan says, when the penny drops for her.
“Yeah, see? You got there before me,” he says, smiling sadly. “These forking magical cigarettes, they smell like his house, his clothes, his car.”
“It just smells like tobacco to you,” she supplies, and Don nods. “And the smell reminds you of him. And it makes you sad, which is why you stopped smoking in the first place.”
“It’s like some kind of Sisyphean torture loophole,” Don says, still smoking. “You can’t make this shirt up.”
“I mean, they could,” she says, thinking of her first meeting with Will, where he had the file for her entire life, down to the most minor of details. “They’d know about you and your grandpa from your file, right? And you said that Jenna’s omniscient, so she’d know too. That’s…weird, right?”
Sloan glances over at him to find Don staring at her, not smiling this time, but with an expression of barely suppressed horror. She can tell just from the look on his face that he’s running through everything that’s happened since he got to the neighborhood in his mind and looking for more strange occurrences like that.
“Have we,” he asks, hesitantly, “met before?”
“I don’t think so,” Sloan says, but not with as much certainty as she would have a few moments ago. “You mean, when we were alive?”
“Yeah,” Don says. “I guess that’s what I mean. You just feel familiar, in some way.”
“You did say you knew my name from the press.”
“I know, but I don’t mean familiar like that. I mean, familiar like I’ve known you for a long time.”
“We just met,” she says, as firmly as she can manage, though it feels like she’s trying to convince herself it’s true too.
“So, it’s just me?” he asks, and it’s not accusatory so much as disappointed.
Sloan feels so utterly thrown by this, she can hardly cope. It doesn’t help that in backing away from him earlier, she didn’t get nearly far enough away. She can still smell the Santa Monica pier—the sunshine and the sea air and the food stalls—but she can also smell what she suspects is Don’s cologne or soap or maybe just him—this clean, warm boyish smell—and now those two things are going to swirl together in her memory forever, and she’s going to be confused why she thinks of summer vacations whenever she’s near him. Not that she will be again anytime soon, she hopes. This has been too much for her.
“I don’t know what you want from me,” she says, still too close to him and not backing away.
Don laughs, softly, and she thinks she can smell champagne on his breath. There was plenty at the party, she remembers, even though it feels like an age ago now. He doesn’t seem drunk, though.
“I don’t know what I want from you either,” he says, watching her closely. He’s not that much taller than her, so it’s pretty easy to gaze deeply into his eyes, unfortunately, and that’s what she ends up doing.
The cigarette falls from between his fingers, and lands harmlessly, already extinguished, on the grass beneath their feet. It vanishes a second later, and a daisy sprouts in its place, which figures. This place is too good to be true, she thinks, and then catches herself. Is it? Has she been thinking that all along?
She looks back up at Don to find his gaze still riveted on her face. “Something’s wrong,” she whispers.
He steps closer to her. “What is it?”
“I don’t know, but something is definitely wrong here,” she says, and it really sounds hysterical but it’s the truth. She can feel it. “Something is not right.”
“Maybe we’re just cynics,” Don offers, with a halfhearted smile.
“Maybe.” Why hasn’t she stepped away from him yet?
“We should…get back to the party.”
“My party,” Sloan says, nodding. “Yes. We should.”
“Our partners will both be looking for us, I’m sure.”
“Right. Yes.”
Neither of them moves, not even a fraction of an inch. Sloan’s hands, seemingly of their own accord, settle on the button placket of Don’s crisp white shirt. She runs a fingertip over a button. His hands come around to rest on her elbows, holding her in place.
“You do feel familiar to me,” she says, in the direction of the button, because she’s not brave enough to say it to his face. “I don’t know why. I don’t understand…how that’s possible.”
“Neither do I, but I’m not—it doesn’t feel like a bad thing, does it?”
Sloan shakes her head, and risks lifting her gaze to his again. He’s still watching her cautiously. She feels herself lean in, and then she feels him reciprocate. They’re only a breath away from kissing when they pause, and whether it’s hesitation or savoring the moment, she’s not sure. She’s watching his face for any sign of second thoughts and finds none, which gives her the courage to lean in that last bit, to close the distance between them.
“Don,” a voice calls in the distance. “Don, are you out here?”
They break apart instantly, putting a laughable amount of distance between them as quickly as possible, as Don curses under his breath. Or tries to, at least, despite the neighborhood’s swear filter.
“Don!” the voice shouts, closer now.
“Over here,” he calls back after a second.
“Where?”
“Here! Follow the….Marco!”
“Polo!”
This, thankfully, only continues for a few moments before a petite, adorable blonde woman rounds the corner. She’s wearing a sensible cocktail dress and has a drink in one hand.
“There you are!” she says. “I’ve been looking all over for you!”
“I was just getting to know our host better,” Don says, indicating Sloan with a wave of his arm in her direction.
The woman’s gaze swivels to Sloan and her expression opens up even more. “Oh my god, Sloan Sabbith, it’s so nice to meet you! You have such a nice place here!”
“Thank you,” Sloan demurs. She’s not sure how to behave around someone whose soulmate she almost just kissed. She’s not even sure there is protocol for that scenario. It’s probably just something you’re not supposed to do.
“I’m Maggie, by the way,” she says, eagerly. “I should have started with that.”
“Maggie was a professor of ethics and moral philosophy,” Don adds, draping an arm casually around her shoulders as she nestles into his side.
“Wow,” Sloan says. She wants to punch him so much.
“Oh, don’t be impressed,” Maggie says, humbly. “I’ve spent all night talking to people who are way more inspiring than me. And, obviously, my soulmate is this guy, so…”
Don makes a pained face at Maggie’s compliment, which Sloan finds both satisfying and odd. “What’s so impressive about Don?” she asks, coolly, and doesn’t miss the way his gaze flicks over to her sarcastically.
“Oh, he refuses to brag about it, but he was this super important human rights lawyer,” Maggie replies, putting a hand on his chest proudly. “I mean, if there was a cause you cared about, I’m sure he did some legal work to advance it when he was alive!”
“Sloan is a noted humanitarian and philanthropist, Maggie,” Don objects. “I doubt she’d be impressed by my work.”
“Right, sorry,” Maggie says, looking chagrined. “You’re, like, famous!”
“I guess so.”
“No wonder you ended up with Jim Harper as a soulmate! You must feel so lucky!”
“Yes, I certainly do,” Sloan says, with false cheer. She likes Jim. He’s cool. But she only just met him today. She doesn’t know where Don and Maggie get off being so coupled up and settled down already. It’s annoying.
“You guys didn’t know each other when you were alive, did you?”
“No, it’s weird. We somehow never crossed paths.”
“I loved his music when I was alive,” Maggie gushes. “I got a chance to talk to him at the party and he seems really nice!”
“He is,” Sloan insists for what feels like the tenth time. “Actually, speaking of Jim, I should probably get back to the party and, well, make sure he’s doing okay and the guests have everything they need.”
Maggie nods, enthusiastically. “Of course! It was so nice to meet you!”
“Yes,” Don says. “Very nice.”
Sloan has to concentrate very hard not to scowl at him, so she focuses most of her attention on Maggie, who she despises for totally different and completely undeserved reasons. “You too! Always a delight to meet one’s neighbors.”
“Oh, right! You should stop by our place sometime,” Maggie says. “It’s not as grand or as big as your place, obviously—”
“Nothing in the neighborhood is, as a matter of fact,” Don interjects, pointedly. Sloan’s eyes water from the effort of not glaring at him.
Maggie, meanwhile, thumps him lightly on the chest. “Don,” she says, playfully offended. Or maybe not playfully. It’s hard to tell with Maggie. Her smile is just a little too wide and bright to take at face value.
“Don’t listen to him,” she continues. “Our house is the one with the yellow door and the round window at the front, it’s just—”
“Two doors down, of course,” Sloan says graciously. “I did wonder who lived in such a cutesy little cottage and now I know!”
Maggie’s smile falters a bit, and she adopts a more serious expression. “Yes, well, I like it a lot, so…”
“I will be sure to stop by sometime,” Sloan says, trying to be more soothing. She’s a bitch, not a monster, after all.
“We’d love that,” Maggie replies. “Right, Don?”
“Absolutely,” he answers, with a thin smile in Maggie’s direction. To Sloan, he adds, with a significant look, “Don’t be a stranger!”
Sloan nods in acknowledgement and then gets out of there as quickly as possible. She has a feeling, though, that she won’t have much of a choice in terms of Don and Maggie’s invitation. For whatever reason, she suspects she might be stuck with them now.
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peterfankoffski · 1 year
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My day has been. A lot
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summersareknives · 1 year
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anyone who watches/has watched the good place ... I just finished writing chapter 3 ... you know what that means ....
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Just finished season one of The Good Place, and safe to say WHAT THE FORK? MICHAEL???
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eye-devourer · 4 months
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Why is Jason mandoza kinda hot.
As long as he doesn't speak
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didyousaykfc · 1 year
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ok I cannot be the only person who was confused at Jason’s fake name bc wow they butchered the pronunciation and I wasn’t reading subtitles then what do you mean they were saying Jianyu
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guhamun · 2 months
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[Jianyu's types are all over the place. On one hand, he is attracted to people who can fight him and are good at it. You cut his cheek in a duel or something and he's just, "oh...I felt a doki right now outside of this adrenaline rush." On the other, he likes kindhearted individuals and is drawn to softness, especially if said individual is kind to animals and children.]
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prongsmydeer · 11 months
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Ayesha Liveblogs the Good Place S1-S2
I’ve watched this first ep like three times and it took me until now to realize Michael is probably named after the show creator lmao
“One of the other people in your neighbourhood is your actual soulmate, and you will spend eternity together.” I just noticed Eleanor turning around and checking out Jianyu 
What happens if you were already married to your soulmate? Do they have a separate afterlife for singles 
“Why does she still have that accent? No one else here has an accent.” Chidi’s accent should definitely sound more Senegalese or at the very least have the tinge of a Francophone if there’s any accent retention after-death
Love how even when Tahani and Eleanor are being snarky about each other it’s through the lens of finding each other cute:
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Unclear if the look on Jianyu/Jason’s face is guilt or worry for himself lol:
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“It’s merely the construct of a dog. It feels no pain, or joy, or love.” This is because all dogs are in the Other Good Place LOL
Honestly I’m with Eleanor I didn’t realize Chidi ever had his own apartment in this show lol
“I won’t let you down... starting now.” I enjoy that Chidi’s face is a cross between ‘what have I gotten myself into’ and genuinely endeared by Eleanor’s ridiculousness
“I got a present for you... Senegal.” “That’s not a present; that’s just common decency.” Talking to white people really be like that sometimes
“I have what doctors call ‘directional insanity.” I’m Chidi, Chidi is me
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I admire Jason’s prolonged stoicism lmao that takes dedication 
“Basically my life’s work is 3,600 pages of garbage.” Every writer has this feeling every so often LOL
“Not to mention, you have a rockin’ bod.” I really do hope they make a point of Eleanor being bisexual 
Lmao the transition from Jianyu to Jason is INCREDIBLE someone give Manny Jacinto an Emmy 
“Everyone here thinks I’m Taiwanese. I’m Filipino. That’s racist. Heaven is so racist.” GOD THE WRITING ON THIS SHOW IS INCREDIBLE
“Is she single, or is she married to Michael?” Team Jason/Janet 4ever
The depiction of Florida on this show is right on brand with everything I have ever imagined about Florida 
The hope on Eleanor’s face when Chidi offers Jason a lifeline GOD we love a man
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“I am here to learn about ethnics.” Everything Jason says is so funny I’m losing my mind
Kristen Bell is really the only person who can pull off this role of being so excited for doing the bare minimum of human decency and actually make it endearing 
Based on Michael’s timing of showing up every time Eleanor and Chidi are mid-argument I wonder how much of his day is just dedicated to creeping on them in preparation for dramatic moments lmao
“It’s very... middle thermometer.” They’ve managed to capture my South Asian parent-child experience in less than ten words lmao 
Disclaimer/sidenote: Despite saying this, I am exhausted of the way people in western media write South Asian parents lmao. Give me an Ek Ladkhi scene where the parents are also willing to beat down people who insult their kids. It’s so one-sided:
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Rich people are wild I cannot imagine giving up millions of dollars just because my parents loved me less than my sibling. Even if you didn’t want the money it could serve so much use to other people
I love how down Eleanor is to have sex with any person she meets given the right circumstances
“I know we’ll never be soulmates, but we’re friends.” ARE YOU SURE ELEANOR
“How do you row a boat?” With great difficulty; oars are very heavy
Which woman is so hard up for available friends that they would entrust Early Eleanor with a dog with kidney disease
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“She’s so pretty like Nala from the Lion King.” The levels to this comment
"Three person couple.” “Does not compute.” Janet said no polyamory rights kjhkjhkjhjk
I really enjoy this montage of Michael and Eleanor enjoying human activities they are truly #friendgoals lmao
“Do you like France as much as I do?” “Well, they enslaved my country for 300 years, so no. But, they have great museums.” “Yes.” Tahani and Chidi’s conversation about France kills me lmao
I guess Tahani can’t really fault colonialism since she’s British LMAO
I like that they experiment with all the younger main characters together lmao there’s some implied chemistry in a lot of directions with Eleanor, Tahani, Chidi, Jason and Janet 
Fshjdghkjdshgkjhds
Eleanor: But leave up the sexy mailman. To remember me by.
Chidi: [nods seriously]
Janet’s delivery always kills me but her Count Chocula Sobs and whispered confident, “Yeah,” is truly something else:
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“Those are the coolest boots I’ve ever seen in my life.” I’m so Chidi sometimes u catch urself telling very pointless lies for either a very mediocre reason or no reason at all just because ur caught up in a conversation and can’t stop saying things to fill the silence and then later it haunts u
“Killing is one of the most famous moral no-nos.” Every line of this show is beautifully written
KDJHFKSJHFKJ I love that this episode is the turning point for Chidi actually having his own moral failings
"And even if she were okay, it would be too painful for me to live with these lies.” CHIDI U HAVE BEEN LYING SINCE EP 1 LMAO IT’S A LITTLE LATE TO DECIDE U DON’T WANT TO
“The problem in the neighbourhood is me.” Say what you will about Eleanor at least in the afterlife she really cares about her friends:
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“You will spend eternity with murderers, arsonists, and people who take off their shoes and socks on commercial airlines.” By this metric, at least one member of my immediate family is going to The Bad Place
If, as by Michael’s measure of Eleanor we are counting on the impact of our actions and not just intentions (i.e. Eleanor making her cousin happy as a positive) then objectively it is bizarre that none of the good Tahani has done for others through charity or even just like, hosting events for other people, means anything in the afterlife. What gives
“You’re too nice to humiliate.” I feel like this is foreshadowing of Michael being a Ineffective Demon and Great Friend
“There should be a medium place for people like me who kind of sucked, but in a fun, chill way.” [Sad chuckle] “I agree.” Awwww Chidi is sad to see her go
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“You should smile more.” Adam Scott really has mastered the art of portraying an unpleasant man lmao
OMG CHIDI AND ELEANOR HOLDING HANDS WHEN SHE GETS OFF THE TRAIN
“You know, it doesn’t matter if you know things. All that matters is what’s in your heart.” Jason said Himbo/Bimbo rights
“Sorry you’re snorting the... concept of time?” I’m sure people on cocaine feel this way occasionally
“Who are they gonna believe, me, or a woman?” Men really do be like that sometimes 
“He’s the wise, eternal Judge who sits on high, has the final say on all disputes between our two realms.” “And his name is... Shawn?” The real tipping point for believing this is not The Good Place should’ve been how every person in charge of it is depicted as a white man lmao
Djfhkjh I forgot when Tahani found out about Jason. The end of episode reveals are great they really do know how to make you want to watch the next one 
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How does Tahani know every celebrity EXCEPT Ariana Grande lmao 
“Oh Ariana, we’re really in it now.” God. I love Jason so much 
“Hooking up with someone with the exact same name is kind of a fun, narcissistic fantasy, I could be into it.” [’NSYNC voice] bi bi bi
Who in their right mind would let Chidi be a team captain lmao
“Congratulations, Chidi. You filibustered recess.” Kjfgjdhgj teach them early  
Every time Eleanor mentions a political philosopher I had to study I feel sympathy for how truly boring they are lmao. Honestly I didn’t retain much
KJHFJHSKJHFKJHKJAHKJ ELEANOR’S MONOLOGUE ABOUT LOVING CHIDI LMAO
Chidi running away because two beautiful and fun women have expressed feelings for him, is really a my-diamond-shoes-are-too-tight scenario
Janet giving Jason his favourite kind of wings 💗 They’re so sweet
“So you also love Chidi? And you just told him, right before I did?” “Technically you told him that he loves you, but yes.” lmao u right Eleanor
Happy Pride Month to Tahani whose every interaction with a man screams of comphet LMAO
I know Eleanor and Tahani is not what they’re aiming for here but jhgkjhg:
Eleanor: Are you ready to take our bonding to the next level?
Tahani: [gay intrigue]
Ahhh Uzo is such a good friend he knows Chidi and he’s so chill about him being anxious I love this dynamic I feel bad that Chidi’s dead
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“Jianyu is a hot dummy, definitely my type.” LMAO I FORGOT ABOUT THIS AND ALSO ELEANOR REALLY WOULD SLEEP WITH ALL OF HER FRIENDS (EXCEPT MICHAEL OBVS) LMAO
OH MY GOOOOD POOR UZU AND A MONTH BEFORE HIS WEDDING TOO
“Does anyone here object to this marriage?” “Of course we do, how could we not object?” “Yes, it is a terrible idea.” “Overruled.” JANET KJHJKGHJKFH
Get someone who looks at you the way that Jason and Janet look at each other:
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“True love is what Janet and Jianyu have.” YEAH IT IS
Digital Getdown being on the Jasonet wedding playlist was really an iconic move
Really it has to be a very mundane kind of torture to having someone foist a love confession on you lmao but I guess [Sartre voice] Hell is other people 
“I got ten bucks to my name. I spent 8 of it on this burrito, and the other 2 on the guac.” Been there Pillboi
The fact that Jason thinks Michael is Janet’s dad kkjdhgkjhg 
“I wasn’t a failed DJ, I was pre-successful.” I want to live in Jason’s brain
God we love a man who has emotional intelligence. Jason may not have a lot of logical reasoning skills but he knows how to calm someone down and how to love 
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“Even when I do nice things, I’m only doing something so I get something out of it—the ability to stay here—which means none of this had any real moral value.” This is excellent Tahani foreshadowing but also I call bullshirt. 1) Doing good things inherently makes you feel better, so I think it would be very hard to find entirely selfless actions and 2) If you give care, time, or money to just causes and helping others whether you’re doing it for recognition or not you still have vastly improved someone’s life. It DOES count
“What if he reboots me and we fall out of love?” 😭😭😭 Let them be together!!!
Having Mindy live with her incurable addiction but be unable to fulfill it is a very medium thing to do
Eleanor’s first act of making herself comfortable in the Medium Place being putting photos of Tahani, Jason and Chidi 😭😭😭😭 She is SO endearing
Ajfhdkjhfsj Chidi immediately still wanting to jump in to defend Eleanor even after watching firsthand all the horrible things she did what kind of wholeass love and friendship
I have so many questions about where Janet’s genitals are located based on those diagrams, why did the second one not work
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“I brought you two a little treat.” Oh my god Michael in Janet’s outfit hjkhkjhgkjfdk
Also I know it’s meant to be some form of torture, and like remind them of their impending doom. But what I see is a guy giving his friends a little snack
“I’m sorry Eleanor, but I engaged a ride-or-die protocol, so I’m loyal to Jason forever.” Get u a wife like Janet
The real question is why they had Kristen Bell play her high school self in a flashback if they were going to cast a teenager to play her later anyway 
Also as much as I love Kristen Bell: Definitely not a high schooler LMAO 
Maybe to draw a distinction between things she purposely did without regard for other people (as her main self) vs. when she was subject to other people’s neglect as a kid 
“I was dropped into a cave, and you were my flashlight.” Eleanor saying goodbye with a reference to Plato’s Allegory of a Cave the ROMANCE
I’d heard that the actors didn’t know about the reveal until they shot this scene so I’d be curious to see if they broke at some point 
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“Didn’t you raise like, $1,000 for charity or whatever?” “60 billion actually. But it didn’t matter, because my motivations were corrupt.” Yeah call me a consequentialist but for one final time: I just can’t buy that doing nice things for a selfish reason COMPLETELY negates it??? Tangibly improving someone’s life situation, no matter what reason, seems like a good action. Fuck you Kant
“Side note, I might legit be into Tahani.” Tahani’s [gay surprise] expression oh my god 
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I love how quick Eleanor is to think on her feet. Improv master lmao
Hjhjhkjhkjhlkjh now reading the credits: Pleased that they cast a Bengali actress as a Real Eleanor (who said she was from Bangladesh—even though they were accurate for Manny Jacinto’s ethnicity I wasn’t really sure if they would be regionally specific, like as far as I know William Jackson Harper doesn’t specifically identify as Senegalese
Also: Kills me that Bambadjan’s real name is Bambadjan, which implies both that his name is better than whatever name they had in the script, and that he is playing himself
“Eleanor - Bad Place,” would actually be one letter less than “Eleanor, Find Chidi,” but I understand that the message is less about identifying the lie and more about finding morality and her friends
We are finally progressing into the parts of the show I don’t know/remember 
“I won’t let you down.” “I think you will. I think this entire project of yours is stupid and doomed to fail. I think you’re going to be retired, eliminated from existence, and burned on the surface of a billion suns. And I have no doubt that you and your cockamamie experiment will go down in history as colossal failures.” “You know I think that—” “Toodeloo.” My high school guidance counselor to me when I said I wanted to go to school out of province lmao
“I can’t wait to have breakfast with Kant, and lunch with Michel Foucault, and then have dinner with Kant with Kant again so we can talk about what came up at breakfast.” “I’m sorry Chidi, all the great philosophers in history ended up in the Bad Place.” I believe this
I thought for a second Pedro, Angelique and Pevita were ALL Chidi’s potential soulmates and got excited, but straight people strike again lmao:
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I have been wondering for a while whether or not sexuality plays into soulmates though. Does anyone have platonic soulmates in the afterlife lmao
“But good, would I go as far as to say to say you look good? Doubtful.” Chidi trying to be the appropriate amount of nice turns into negging lmao
Rhkjhgjhgg Eleanor immediately recognizing the slightly more whack energy this time around
“Charmed, I’m short.” Fghgkhgkgh the immediate fixation on her soulmate’s height and appearance in a way she didn’t do so meanspiritedly for any of the gang. Tahani said all of my friends are hot and Eleanor’s the only one allowed to be short
Tahani said: If Eleanor’s busy, I’ll step up to the plate to represent the Girlies Who Are Seconds Away From Losing It at All Times:
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“Some of the [soulmate] pairings are platonic, some are romantic.” I guess that answers that question
Honestly didn’t think about it until now but it’s impressive that Jason can wear a Buddhist’s monks’ clothes the exact correct way based only on a single observation. He shows his intelligence in his way!!
“I am a Ferrari, and you don’t keep a Ferrari in the garage.” Vicky aka Real Eleanor knows her worth
The parallel storylines revealing what each character has been doing are very fun
Genuinely impressed by how much prop paper Kristen Bell just ate
“I’m too young to die, and too old to eat off the kids menu! What a stupid age I am.” Me too, Jason:
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I also think having to go to a jazz show would tip me off that I’m in hell
“This is your soulmate, Tahani.” I know you can have a platonic soulmate now but I believe in my heart that this one wasn’t 
“Can you just chill out? Is that possible, Janet? Can you just chill out a little?” “Nope, it’s gonna be the same every time.” Me talking to my mother LMAO
“We are on strike until our demands are met.” #PayYourWriters
It’s impressive how many times Michael has managed to lose most of the only four people his entire neighbourhood is designed for
Chidi not hesitating for a second to tell Eleanor he loves her back:
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“How many times have Chidi and I slept together?” “Eight different days, but like 20 different sessions.” GOOD FOR THEM LMAO
“I want to team up with you guys.” Michael said: Let me in the gang 💗
I am also genuinely endeared by Michael. His definition of torture is honestly so polite. Jazz and froyo LMAO 
“I’m sorry, has it been 100 hours?” Hahahaha I love how Tahani is genuinely intimidated by Eleanor’s confident dismissal 
Ethics question: If Tahani’s lack of care of other people is the reason she ended up in the Bad Place, do they also take into account the emotional abuse by her whole family and the way other people insistently dismissed her for Kamilah as part of that motive? Does enduring that so many times without complaint not tip the scales in her favour at all?
“And since you’re the only actual humans here, I’m on board for whatever fun little schemes you guys come up with.” Janet’s ride-or-die protocol is still engaged at heart
“Make all your memos one page, max, with pictures.” Vicky would’ve fit right in for the [Redacted] presidency
“These Millennials, they have no work ethic. Oh, sorry, a Millennial is someone who’s only been torturing people for a thousand years.”
This really is a good summary of what it’s like to take a philosophy class:
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“Man, repressing your feelings is great.” Michael’s midlife crisis is very human man, down the to convertible and the much younger woman
Gdhkhdkjdh Tahani 🤝 Michael
Having very benign visions of what being tortured is like, as with someone throwing a better party than you
This is the line I quote most from this show out of everything:
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[Gasps] “A family pack?” Me 🤝 Eleanor
Unprocessed spicy memories bubbling up in the middle of a mundane task in a communal space 
“You’re cool, dope, fresh and smart-brained. I’ve never seen you dance, but I bet you’re good. Because... you’re good at everything. You’re awesome. Be nicer to yourself.” Tahani 🤝 Jason 🤝 Jason
Falling in love anyone who is nice to you for more than a few minutes
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“What do you think about writing a rap musical about Kierkegaard?” I want to read the songs that Chidi wrote LOL
“My name is Kierkegaard, and my writing is impeccable. Check out my teleological suspension of the ethical.” THANK YOU CHIDI FOR IMMMEDIATELY DELIVERING
You can tell this was filmed in 2017 because it is PEAK Hamilton era
“Plus they’re all French, so they’re going to the bad place automatically.” HGGHKGHGHKGH. Oh the French
“You’ve never dated anyone like Jason before.” Not Tahani getting love advice from Jason’s ex-wife
Take a shot everytime someone in this show says, “This is why everyone hates moral philosophy professors.”
Michael said: Chidi please adapt to my practical learning style
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“But I tell her she’s pretty a hundred times a day, and she’s never said I’m pretty once.” Illegal. Tahani should be court-ordered to tell Jason he’s pretty
I believe in my whole heart that Janet lost a thumb because even as their couple’s therapist, she is still in love with Jason
“I’m your hottest friend. No, Tahani. I’m your nicest fr— no, Jason. I’m your friend!” LMAO at least Eleanor is self-aware
Fkfkjfhfjfh I guess technically Michael was doing his job by torturing Chidi
Also imagine the psychological trauma Chidi absorbs from having to decide to kill people so many times in the trolley problem. A reboot button would be helpful for him now 
“Aw, I’m happy for you guys.” [retches and vomits out a frog] JANETJASON ENDGAME
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Michael’s little evil laugh also gets me every time. I love Ted Danson
“I call them ‘opposite tortures.’” “Do you mean, ‘presents?’” Hahahaha
Chidi’s a better or more morally stagnant inflexible than I am because I do think making people happy is a good thing even if the gifts are bribes in pursuit of forgiveness 
The way Janet malfunctions every time she supports Jason and Tahani. SHE’S IN LOOOOOVE
“Glitches may be a sign that your Janet is processing or disseminating information that is incompatible with objective truth.” Because she’s lying about her feeeelings
VINDICATIONNNNNNNNNNNN:
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[Chanting] “Kill me, kill me, kill me, kill me.” Janet is perfect and also Jason was right she is Michael’s family LMAO
“The reason is friends!! You’re my friend, Janet, that’s why I can’t kill you.” MICHAEL SAID I AM A DEMON WHO CAN GROW
“This is my new rebound boyfriend Derek. I made him!” OH MY GOD
I guess Tahani and Jason have one thing in common aside from being hot: Their irreverant disregard for everything outside of themselves hahahaha
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The cut between Tahani and Jason having a picnic and deciding to get married vs. Chidi, Eleanor and Michael having an ethical dilemma about whether to break them up the greater good of society (themselves)
“That [teacher-student relationship] used to happen a lot at Lynyrd Skynyrd High School, but this time you won’t be arrested.” 1) Someone please help the people at this high school and 2) We know that these are not the vows Jason is meant to have. Send Nude Pics of Your Heart to Me lives in my heart forever
Fjfkhfhfkj Poor Janet, she’s been through more human emotions in the past couple of weeks than in any iteration of herself before:
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Eleanor ready to take the opportunity to forget she’s in love with Chidi jghkghg
“This isn’t about your wind-chime penis, in fact it’s not about you at all.” Underrated line from Janet LMAO
[Concerned] “Can you get pregnant from reabsorbing?” I would like to believe this is a lingering hint of jealousy from Jason
FKSJHSKJHS THE FACT EVERYONE LISTENS WHEN ELEANOR TELLS THEM NOT TO LOOK
This episode is emotionally a bummer for all involved couples 
“You really did just come here to chat. To shoot the shirt with your ole pal Eleanor.” “I guess so, why?” “It’s just a very human-y thing to do.” Michael and Eleanor are perhaps my favourite friendship
Eleanor said I’ve only had Michael as a friend for two weeks but if anything happened to him I’d stake the eternal souls of everyone in this room and then myself:
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“What the here, dude?” Hahahahaha also a good line
“The other worst moment of Tahani’s life? Every other moment of her empty, pointless life.” This is like that scene in She-ra where they’re like ‘this feels way more personal compared to fire’ 
However, I do appreciate the dropping of hints that Michael is laying out: “Derek” Bortles - last song of a party -  the train/trolley
Janet’s version of magnet intoxication wanting to braid people’s hair is Peak Drunk Not-A-Girl in the Bathroom of a Nightclub Energy
[Sobbing] “You’re my friends and I wanted to save you.” I love one (1) Demon Buddy
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Honestly props to Eleanor for figuring out Michael meant for them to stay because I personally would’ve interpreted the mention of Mindy St. Clair as enough reason to go 
“Here’s a willing sex robot and two duffel bags full of cocaine.” Mindy’s Medium Place is going to tip the scales in favour of the positive for her I guess lmao
“Maybe I should’ve realized this wasn’t the good place because of all the diarrhea.” “Maybe you shouldn’t be eating frozen yogurt right now.” Jason providing our Asian Lactose Intolerance Representation 😌💕
It actually does make sense that Eleanor loves Chidi when Chidi does not return those feelings because aside from the fact she has had that knowledge several weeks longer than Chidi, she is also a person who has consistently trusted her gut, and her gut tells her that she loves him, whereas Chidi needs time to think it out
“Once, you handed him a tissue right before he sneezed nd that simple act of anticipating his needs made him fall for you.” 1) Cute and 2) This isssss a love language
Ghkhgghkghg Michael coming into this with no plan and hoping to discover one along the way. Relatable demon 
The height difference with Tahani and everyone else is really apparent in this shot:
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Chidi and Jason in particular doing the same dance move is so endearing. They all have something in common!! 
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“All every wanted to was to know what it was like to be human. And now we’re going to do the most human thing of all. Attempt something futile with a ton of unearned confidence and fail spectacularly.”
Michael 🤝 Greed from FMA
Being primarily motivated by their love of their homies and general inclination towards more human emotion than any of their counterparts
“As long as I’m with you guys, I’m always in the Fake Good Place.” I want to give Michael a little kiss on the forehead
 “I just made an aphorism.” I just learned a new word
“Any time I had a problem and I threw a molotov cocktail, boom, right away, I had a different problem.” Jason does think outside the box
Tahani’s American accent is actually very good lmao 
“Principles aren’t principles when you pick and choose when you’re going to follow them.” I understand here Chidi means ‘principles’ to mean ‘fundamental truths’ and not ‘moral decisions’ but when it comes to an ethical principle, a person is always going to decide to follow it or not. That is the nature of being autonomous 
Unrelated to anything that’s going on in the Bad Place, the costume change really highlights that Manny Jacinto is so incredibly handsome, look at him, he’s like a painting:
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Fully did not realize that Dax Shepard makes a guest appearance in the Bad Place. However. I believe it 
“Hang out with Johnny Depp enough, you become pretty good at lying.” This feels like a prophecy of some sort
“But then I remembered: I’m a naughty bitch.” The dialogue in this show has really transformed since they started being allowed to swear
“A moral particularist, like me—I’m one now, I just decided—would say there’s no absolute rule. You have to choose your actions based on the particular situation.” Turns out I am also somewhat of a moral particularist, Eleanor 
Honestly shocked and perplexed that it’s taken THIS long for anyone to catch Michael in a lie
Say what you will about Jason, he’s very good at molotov cocktails and knowing his own heart
“Goodbye Eleanor.” MICHAELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. He is the best demon buddy they could ever ask for:
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I don’t know who I envisioned as the All-Knowing Judge of All Realms but I do feel like Maya Rudolph is a strong choice
“In the words of one of my actual friends: Ya basic.” I love Michael absorbing Eleanor’s vocabulary
Tahani’s soft gasp and “Oh no,” at what the spa employees and bikini waxers think of her kjgkhgjhg. Fair and relatable but you’d think it’d be the butlers and waiters, considering it’s a morality test
The gang wanting to all stay together in their failure or success 🥺 I love them
You know, I think Tahani letting go of what her parents think of her IS success, even if it’s not technically the exercise
GO JANETTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
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Eleanor choosing not to reveal that she is the only one who has gotten past her fatal flaw (selfishness, as opposed to Chidi, Jason and Tahani failing to get past their indecisiveness, impulsivity and care of how others think of her) is also her being selfless 
“Hey guys! How ya been?” THE GANG’S ALL BACK TOGETHER:
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“If I’m right, the system by which we judge humans, the very method we use to deem them good or bad, is so fundamentally flawed that hundreds of millions of people have been wrongly condemned to an eternity of torture.” THAT’S WHAT I’VE BEEN SAYING, MICHAEL
“Whatever progress I have made, it’s because you and I have become friends.” I love Tahani and Eleanor’s friendship, they’re so sweet
“Jason, I love you.” “Oh, word?” “Word.” JASONJANET ENDGAME 💘
“I think I love you too girl.” YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH JASON!!! HE DOESN’T KNOW MUCH, BUT HE KNOWS HIS HEART
DOUBLE YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, GO CHIDI, HE KNOWS HIS HEART TOO:
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They all love each other so much they don’t want to be in separate Medium Places 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 THEY ARE THE CUTEST FRIEND GROUP
Hahaha, I notice that her roommates call her Elea-NOR instead of Elea-NER like her friends do which feels like something intentional 
“Do you want to come to Lauren’s baby shower?” “Do you want to chew on my ASS-ortment of brownies that I will be bringing to Lauren’s baby shower?” [Eleanor Shellstrop voice] Pobody’s nerfect
“That took a lot of courage for you to admit that, and I admire your honesty. You stupid skank! How could you do that to me? I hate you!” Newly Not Dead Eleanor is about to learn about moral particularism 
“I still think he’s kind of hot.” “I guess, in like a sick Victorian boy kind of way.” “Oooh, yeah yeah yeah, I want to like, feed him soup.” Brittany is fun. Also I know they said Benedict Cumberbatch but this is exactly how people talk about Timothy Chalamet
Michael loves his friends so much he cannot help but nudge them along through Moral Interventions at the Sports Bar:
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“I argue that we choose to be good because of our bonds with other people, and our innate desire to treat them with dignity. Simply put: We are not in this alone.” I LOVE this brand of moral philosophy
Also this last nudge to bringing them back together is a really great way to end this season. This show is SO GOOD 
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sunn-kist · 7 months
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Life Series Good Place AU
Mumbo as Chidi. Engineer/teacher who invented a new kind of clean energy and started a school to get underprivileged children involved in STEM. Very passionate about classism and education. Thinks he belongs in the good place. Is actually in the bad place because he unintentionally encouraged his staff, students, and coworkers to completely overwork themselves in the name of progress. Stems from his self destructive tendency to overwork himself and his belief that if he isn’t being productive, he’s failing.
Scar as Tahani. Wealthy philanthropist/politician who hosted countless fundraisers for different causes. Thinks he belongs in the good place. Actually belongs in the bad place because he only did so in order to get more votes and prove himself to his extremely messed up family (the clockers). He did actually do a bunch of great progressive stuff while he was in office, but his motivations were corrupt because he only did it in spite of his deadbeat dad.
Joel as Eleanor. Knows for sure he doesn’t belong there. Is in the bad place just because he was generally a stand-offish and brash person. He ended a lot of relationships very poorly because of his fear of emotional vulnerability. Was a weed dealer who dealt by posing as a bakery delivery service. Would bring bread and brownies to people’s houses but the brownies were actually pot brownies and the bread was actually hollow and had like 20 joints inside. It was a really great business if he says so himself. Gets paired up with Mumbo and tries to learn how to be good.
Jimmy as Jason/Jianyu. Is supposed to be a humanitarian backpacker who fed starving children in Nepal and lost his voice in an accident or something. Is actually a Tesco’s cashier and amateur DJ who cares too much about British Football. Has been having a panic attack this entire time. Is terrified of Scar finding out. His “bud-hole” is mostly football stuff and union jacks.
Grian as the demon who is torturing them all.
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blueaiyuice · 9 months
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Uriel Character Analysis Deep-Dive: Kamden from ESDE
welcome to the start of my analysis series! this series is so that you can check out how i meant for these characters to be portrayed, their character arcs, and so on so forth.
the first analysis i've done (and am dumping it here, in a messy fashion) is NA KAMDEN from EVEN STARS DIE EVENTUALLY, my jeongjian fantasy fic based off of the protect-the-princess game from boy's planet!
HEAVY SPOILERS for ESDE and You of the Dark, so do read that first! (now cleaned up!)
Kamden's General Character Arc
Kamden's entire character arc centers around him trying to get rid of his past and forming a new name for himself. He wants to abandon a future that he was born into. He wanted to shape his own destiny similarly to how Jeonghyeon wanted to, without the influence of gods (though of course, he still believed in the gods to a certain degree as opposed to Jeonghyeon's atheism. He just didn't want to get his destiny twisted by them).
He destroys and wrecks as much of his past as possible because it's all so painful to him, from the orphanage to having little social connections and not being able to find his footing. He doesn't like hearing people out because their stories mean nothing to him when he's trying so hard to shape his own.
During his final exam, he kills his previous caretaker and he kills Hanbin, willing to do anything to destroy that past to shape himself. He burns his whole village down instead of quelling the riots through diplomacy because it's his chance to completely wreck what's left of his past and get away with it. Donggun enables him to do so legally as a knight, so he's always loyal to Donggun for giving him that opportunity and chance.
Kamden and Ricky
Kamden seems like he has no weaknesses, but in reality his one weakness is Ricky. The one thing that ultimately takes him down at the end of ESDE is Ricky (though of course Jianyu puts him in his place by being the first one to defeat Kamden in a fight), aka the one piece of his past that managed to escape everything, head to Camellia, become a knight under Jongwoo, align with their side, and in the end take in Kamden to reform him for the better.
Of course they ended on bad terms so Kamden is bitter with him, but he still looks for him even if he doesn't want to admit it, such as when he tells Brian to look out for Ricky at meetings, because it's a piece of his past he has NO control over, and its his biggest fear. Ricky is completely broken from Begonia; Kamden can't just go and kill him without sparking a war that would put his precious enabling princess in danger.
In the end, Ricky still wishes for them to go back to the good days because from Ricky's POV, Kamden just misunderstood everything when he initially left as a kid, hence his dialogue at their reunion in Plumeria: "I don't know why he's still hung up on that. I was literally eight years old, you think I was allowed to say no? Christ." Obviously Kamden fucked up a bunch and became a ruthless killer, but Ricky wanted to find that old friend. Unlike Kamden, he didn't turn his back on the past. in that way, they're foils of each other—Kamden chooses to destroy his past, while Ricky carries it with him to shape him into who he is today.
Kamden's Religious Outlook
It's not quite implied as well, but Kamden isn't the most religious person in the world. He believes in the gods, but he doesn't reverently worship them. That kind of thinking is why his abilities as a half-god don't go any farther than just boosted magic abilities. It's similar to the same case with 2JH as both of them are gods, but one of them wasn't even aware (Junghyun) and the other completely shut out the idea because of his hatred for gods (Jeonghyeon).
Kamden's Half-God Abilities
Kamden's magic capabilities are very emotion-based. When Kamden first managed to channel the fire during his class with Hanbin, it was because of the frustration catching up to him at not being able to get the spells right off the bat. It's also why he's also able to keep that wall of fire erected for so long in Begonia during his final fight with Jianyu (in a climate where the cold air would usually snuff out such fire), because he's so fucking pissed that Jianyu has gotten away THREE times and everything's spiraled out of his control. His princess (the only thing he can truly rely on) is being attacked by these ragtag group of knights + their single oracle, and half of begonia's already falling apart so quickly even though it seemed like victory was RIGHT THERE with Anemone, Wolfsbane, and Plumeria all fallen. The tables turned so quickly and he has no idea what to do, and he's panicking.
Kamden's Hair Symbolism
Kamden's hair and how he trims his bangs is supposed to be representative of his resolve at that moment in time. At first, as a kid, he covers his eyes because he wasn't sure of himself, but then when Ricky came into his life, he cut them so he could just show how much stronger his resolve had become with Ricky's arrival, and then after Ricky left he started getting lazy with it again because he started losing that confidence in himself, and then in the final exam it's in his eyes again and he's trying to convince himself so hard that what he's doing is right to the point where he just stops caring about people's lives. During ESDE, his eyes are uncovered, meaning his resolve is there and firm because he's managed to successfully gaslight convince himself that what he's doing is good.
Kamden's Ending
Kamden's ending isn't exactly the happiest one. After all, his final words were "I know no apology's going to make up for anything I've done, but I still wanted to say I'm sorry. I was blind. It doesn't excuse what I did. I don't...know anymore." Clearly everything's gone out of his control now. His coping mechanism of killing people isn't feasible anymore since half of the population is gone and it's all his fault. I'd like to think he got extensive therapy but the only person who would be willing to give it to him at that point would be Ricky (and MAYBE Jianyu), and Ricky is one of his biggest problems that needs therapy in itself. Everyone in Wolfsbane fucking hates him especially Seungeon, Junhyeon hates him for killing Gunwook so Plumeria ain't happy with him either, he's the last one left of Begonia, Jongwoo is too iffy on him, Zihao couldn't care less, so on and so forth.
I don't think he'd be sad forever, though. I think he'd be able to find some happiness, just some though. I don't think anything will make him completely regret the stuff he's done (like I doubt he would suddenly start caring about the people he killed), but he'll learn to come to terms with who he's once become, once again, circling back to Donggun's words: "Whatever that friend did to you back then has shaped you into who you are today. You can choose your future, but never, ever, turn your back on the past. It will always follow you. You must learn to come to terms with it."
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tl;dr: hot soulless serial killer arsonist needs some serious therapy
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