#Julian Jaynes

[dreaminginthedeepsouth]

Cosmos * * * * “The first poets were gods. Poetry began with the bicameral mind. The god-side of our ancient mentality, at least in a certain period of history, usually or perhaps always spoke in verse. This means that most men at one time, throughout the day, were hearing poetry (of a sort) composed and spoken within their own minds.” ― Julian Jaynes, The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind

[alive on all channels]

#Julian Jaynes #The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the bicameral Mind #consciousness #alive on all channels #quotes

[zooptseyt]

#julian jaynes #consciousness #anthropology #visualization #metacognition #internal monologue

[daisyfornost]

I'm no hobbyist or anything but is there really no connection between Zarathustra-foundational-Iranian-guy and Ziusudra-foundational-Iraqi-guy?

#no idea how to tag this #uhhhh let's go with #ziusudra #and just for fun #julian jaynes #and #zoroaster

[wishesbythesea]

Con l'acquisizione della coscienza abbiamo rinunciato ai metodi più semplici e più assoluti di controllo del comportamento che caratterizzavano la mente bicamerale. Noi viviamo oggi in una nube ronzante di perché e percome, di scopi e di ragionamenti delle nostre narratizzazioni, di multidirezionali avventure dei nostri analoghi «io». E questo costante dispiegarsi di possibilità è per l'appunto ciò che è necessario per salvarci da un comportamento troppo impulsivo. […] Siamo dotti nell'esitazione, studiosi dei nostri insuccessi, geni della giustificazione e del rimandare a domani le nostre decisioni. Diventiamo così esperti nelle risoluzioni impotenti, finché la speranza si dissolve e muore nell'intentato. […] [Ma] non c'è alcuna autorizzazione esterna. Quel che noi dobbiamo fare deve venire da noi stessi. Dobbiamo divenire la nostra stessa autorizzazione.

Julian Jaynes, Il crollo della mente bicamerale e l'origine della coscienza

#libri 2023 #julian jaynes #il crollo della mente bicamerale

[oldblogger]

Before and After Human Consciousness, or The Voice of God vs. Auditory Hallucinations

Psychologist Julian Jaynes (1920 – 1997) asserted that humans were not fully conscious until around 4,000 or 3,000 years ago, the time when the two hemispheres of the cerebrum of our brain (left and right, physically connected by the Corpus Callosum) were unified through pressures of natural selection in newly “civilized” environments. In his book The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of…

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#Carl G. Jung #Julian Jaynes #Marcel Kuijsten #Richard Sorabji

[jaynewonder]

He’s texting his boyfriend

#illustration #illustrator #jayne wonder #artist #artists on tumblr #artists on instagram #digital art #procreate #animal crossing #animal crossing new horizons #acnh #ac julian #Julian #unicorn

[giallo4ver]

I really appreciate that Only murders in the building brings back the dynamic of an improbable trio of main characters that have to work together. I love the chaos.

#only murders in the building #martin short #charles haden savage #selena gomez #cara delavigne #jan bellows #zoe margaret colletti #rose cooper #hulu #amy ryan #shirley maclaine #james caverly #julian chi #julian cihi #nathan lane #jayne houdyshell #ryan Broussard

[badmovieihave]

Bad movie I have Anything for Jackson 2020

#Anything for Jackson #Vortex Productions #Sheila McCarthy #Julian Richings #Konstantina Mantelos #Josh Cruddas #Yannick Bisson #Lanette Ware #Claire Cavalheiro #Scott Cavalheiro #Daxton William Lund #Kaitlyn Leeb #Rebecca Lamarche #Jayne Eastwood #Ai Barrett #Marianne Sawchuk #Mikaela Bisson #Calwyn Shurgold #Troy James #Ryan Christopher Kotack #Kyle Sipkens

[dreaminginthedeepsouth]

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“O, what a world of unseen visions and heard silences, this insubstantial country of the mind! What ineffable essences, these touchless rememberings and unshowable reveries! And the privacy of it all! A secret theater of speechless monologue and prevenient counsel, an invisible mansion of all moods, musings, and mysteries, an infinite resort of disappointments and discoveries. A whole kingdom where each of us reigns reclusively alone, questioning what we will, commanding what we can. A hidden hermitage where we may study out the troubled book of what we have done and yet may do. An introcosm that is more myself than anything I can find in a mirror. This consciousness that is myself of selves, that is everything, and yet is nothing at all - what is it?”

― Julian Jaynes, The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind

#Julian Jaynes #The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind #quotes #light

[stuff-diary]

Only Murders in the Building (Seasons 1 & 2)

TV Shows/Dramas watched in 2023

Only Murders in the Building (Seasons 1 & 2, 2021/2022, USA)

Creators: Steve Martin & John Hoffman

Mini-review:

I finally got around to watching this show in the past week, and I must say it definitely deserves all the hype! I wasn't sure if I was going to like it during the first episodes, but I got more and more hooked as I kept watching. In fact, I enjoyed the second season way more than the first one and now I'm certain I will tune in when the next one starts. One of the best things about the show is that it perfectly knows how to do both smart and silly comedy, and its sense of humor never stops surprising you. Another thing I particularly loved is the way each episode sort of focus on one character, which really expands the scope of the story and the setting. On top of all this, both mysteries were really interesting, although the second one kept me guessing a lot longer. As always, I'm a huge fan of murder mysteries, specially when they are as well made, told and acted as this one.

#only murders in the building #only murders hulu #john hoffman #steve martin #martin short #selena gomez #aaron dominguez #amy ryan #cara delevingne #julian cihi #tina fey #adina verson #ryan broussard #jackie hoffman #jayne houdyshell #da'vine joy randolph #nathan lane #james caverly #michael cyril creighton #zoe colletti #michael rapaport #christine ko #paul rudd #murder mystery #comedy #whodunnit #thriller #hulu #disney plus #2023 tv shows and dramas

[daisyfornost]

"For the modern scientific landscape is informed with the same needs, and often in its larger contours goes through the same quasi-religious gestures, though in a slightly disguised form. These scientisms, as I shall call them, are clusters of scientific ideas which come together and almost surprise themselves into creeds of belief, scientific mythologies which fill the very felt void left by the divorce of science and religion in our time. They differ from classical science and its common debates in the way they evoke the same response as did the religions which they seek to supplant. And they share with religions many of their most obvious characteristics: a rational splendor that explains everything, a charismatic leader or succession of leaders who are highly visible and beyond criticism, a series of canonical texts which are somehow outside the usual arena of scientific criticism, certain gestures of idea and rituals of interpretation, and a requirement of total commitment. In return the adherent receives what the religions had once given him more universally: a world view, a hierarchy of importances, and an auguring place where he may find out what to do and think, in short, a total explanation of man. And this totality is obtained not by actually explaining everything, but by an en casement of its activity, a severe and absolute restriction of attention, such that everything that is not explained is not in view"

- Julian Jaynes in The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind, p.441

#julian jaynes

[leguin]

Piranesi did come off as a mildly homophobic book to me, largely by implication, which surprised me bc i’ve never seen anyone else mention that while recommending it...but still so very interesting

#once again reminded of julian jaynes lol #maybe even majorly homophobic but not violently just. it's a theme

[echofromtheabyss]

the old world is dying and the new world struggles to be born. now is the time of monsters

I'm beginning to think that some massive changes have taken place not just to the world around us, but to us. How we think about people around us, how we speak, how we love, how we form thoughts, where those thoughts come from.

As much as I disagree with (at least, the surface interpretation of) Julian Jaynes' ideas about the "bicameral mind" I have to say that what I presently suspect is happening to the human mind, emotions, and cognition in the 21st century, is producing a very very different kind of character than the 20th Century Person. Possibly on the level which he believed to be the case with the shift away from his proposed Bicameral Mind.

In a way, we have a new Bicameral Mind: our native thoughts, and the distributed crowd-sourced digital brain that we have spent most of our time in interaction with since the 2010s.

Our world changed drastically and we are changing with it.

This is just my uninformed 2c, my feelings, I'm not like. A Credentialed Expert (tm) of any kind I think that in many cases, there is a lot of artistic and intellectual work of prior to the 21st century that will be illegible to a lot of 21st Century People because the cultural context will be so drastically different and they will have no way to reach across that gap.

I genuinely believe many social concepts we grew up taking for granted - the idea of a separate self proven against the outside world, away from one's parents (in the West, this may actually be a relic of a period of time encompassing the Age of Sail and Industrial Revolution); in a community very different from oneself...

Even more, I begin to think that how *romantic love* was constructed in the 20th century, is very different now to the degree that moderns simply cannot relate to older portrayals of romance.

20th Century People can relate to the minds and feelings of 19th Century People better than 21st Century People can relate to a large cohort of 20th Century People.

It is easier for a Gen Xr to insert themselves into the mindset of a dead person living during the Great Depression than it is for a lot of Zoomers and Alphas to relate to a Gen Xr's teen years.

#The Before Time #Great Vibe Shift #Civilizational Change #The Third Wave #Alvin Toffler

[astonishinglegends]

Ep 279: The Third Man Syndrome Part 1

"Who is the third who walks always beside you? When I count, there are only you and I together But when I look ahead up the white road There is always another one walking beside you"  -- The Waste Land by T. S. ELIOT

Description:

A strange occurrence often happens to people engaged in an adventurous activity or who fall victim to an unfortunate circumstance. They find themselves with a companion whose presence would typically be impossible. Usually, the person is at a critical moment in a life-or-death situation in an extreme and unusual environment. When they are weakened and dying from exposure, suffering privation of sustenance, lost and alone, when they are about to lose all hope and accept their demise, that’s when this otherworldly friend suddenly appears to render aid and encouragement, giving them a superhuman will or strength to survive. Psychologists label this a “sensed presence experience” but are at a loss for a simple explanation. These presences may be seen, heard, and sometimes even touched. They appear in dire situations to people from all walks of life. They may materialize as a known friend, a deceased relative, a religious figure, or an indeterminate benefactor. Still, whatever their form, there is no doubt to the one in danger that this being is real and there with them. Although this sensed presence appears most often to mountain climbers, sailors, divers, and polar explorers, it can also happen to astronauts, prisoners of war, and disaster survivors. One of the most intriguing aspects of the sensed presence experience is that the ethereal saviors aren’t just there to provide comforting words; they actually help with knowledgable advice or guidance or can even seemingly take over the actions of the afflicted – whatever is necessary to increase the odds of survival. Join us as we explore a phenomenon more common than you might think, a syndrome also known as the “Third Man.”

Reference Links:

“The Sensed Presence as a Coping Resource in Extreme Environments”

by Peter Suedfeld & John Geiger. From Miracles: God, Science, and Psychology in the Paranormal on Omnilogos.com

“The Sensed Presence as A Coping Resource in Extreme Environments” on the Julian Jaynes Society website

“How does our understanding of the sensed presence phenomenon in extreme settings change the way we talk about so-called mental ‘illnesses’ in daily life?” by Blaise Cottingham on Medium.com

Angels of Mons on Wikipedia

Vincent Lam

“Extreme environment” on Wikipedia

King Nebuchadnezzar from Daniel 3:24-5 on BibleGateway.com

The Savage Curtain episode of the original Star Trek series

“Charles Lindbergh and the Third Man Factor” on Theresa's Haunted History of the Tri-State blog

Poet, memoirist, and songwriter Mary Karr

“The Liars’ Club” by Mary Karr

Kanchenjunga, the world’s third highest mountain, on Britannica.com

“Wilson,” the volleyball from the motion picture Castaway

“Ernest Shackleton's Crew of the Endurance – Imperial Trans Antarctica Expedition 1914 -17” on CoolAntarctica.com

Husvik, the former whaling station on the north-central coast of South Georgia Island, Antarctica

Elephant Island, Antarctica

“Excerpt: The Voyage of the James Caird by Ernest Shackleton” from the American Museum of Natural History website

Alfred Lansing

Caedmon, widely considered to be the world’s first audiobook and launch of the spoken word industry

“The Waste Land” by T. S. Eliot on Project Gutenberg

Stromness, South Georgia

Sir Ernest Shackleton and T S Eliot’s ‘third man’ from the Royal Scottish Geographical Society

The Waste Land Part I – The Burial of the Dead from the Poetry Archive

The Waste Land from The Poetry Foundation

“T. S. ELIOT SAW ALL THIS COMING” from The Atlantic

The Waste Land on Wikipedia

Jane S. P. Mocellin and Peter Suedfeld’s research on behavior in extreme environments from ResearchGate.net

“Shackleton's whisky returned to Antarctic hut” on CBC.ca

“Spirits of the South Pole” from The New York Times Magazine

“Wild Survival Story About 1983 Rockies Alpine Avalanche” – the story of Jim Sevigny and Richard Whitmire

Distance Line for cave diving

“UK scientist has her lab in underwater caves” – Stephanie Schwabe article from the Lexington Herald-Leader

Kendal Mint Cake on Wikipedia

Romney’s Kendal Mint Cake on Amazon

Reinhold Messner

“The Unauthorized Biography of Reinhold Messner” music album by the band Ben Folds Five

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Episode 279: The Third Man Syndrome Part 1. Produced by Scott Philbrook & Forrest Burgess. Audio Editing by Sarah Vorhees Wendel of VW Sound. Music and Sound Design by Allen Carrescia. Tess Pfeifle, Producer and Lead Researcher. Ed Voccola, Technical Producer. Research Support from The Astonishing Research Corps, or "A.R.C." for short. Copyright 2024 Astonishing Legends Productions, LLC. All Rights Reserved.

#2024 #279 #Third Man Syndrome #Third Man Factor #Third Man Phenomenon #sensed presence experience #extreme and unusual environments #John Geiger #Peter Suedfeld #Ernest Shackleton #South Pole #Reinhold Messner #guardian angel #Spirit Guides #higher self #astral self #bicameral mind #Lindbergh #Antarctica #Mount Everest #cave diving

[kvetchlandia]

Julian Wasser     Jayne Mansfield and Friend Dancing at the Whisky a Go-Go,, West Hollywood     1964

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[hellkitepriest]

still figuring out how one can make an intriguing and erotic cult based around julian jaynes’ bicameral mind theory

#like it MATTERS #just absolute nonsense sorry everyone